Why do islam hates people?

[Muhammed Zakir]

She has showed great intelligence which usually is shown by matured and also has talked about many things including sexually-related things.

No child, unless they have been subject to a grossly inappropriate environment, should have so much as an opinion on sex, let alone an 'intelligence' about sex.

I am telling that she was matured enough and also she had intelligence not just about sex.

“Narrated 'Abdur-Rahman bin Al-Aswad:
(on the authority of his father) 'Aisha said: "Whenever Allah's Apostle wanted to fondle anyone of us during her periods (menses), he used to order her to put on an Izar and start fondling her." 'Aisha added, "None of you could control his sexual desires as the Prophet could."”

So he pretty much did what he wanted to many innocent young girls and gets praised for the fact that he didn't shoot his load so quickly?

That you think this quote serves your position underlines the fact you are seriously messed up by your religion.

Many? What do you mean many? Don't spread FUD please.

I'm going by the quote you have presented which clearly says that whenever your prophet "wanted to fondle anyone of us" - which is plural, not singular.

Us means wives.

Fondle: stroke or caress lovingly.

Don't be so patently obtuse when that quote is blatantly referring to sexual interaction hence the reference to them having their periods, not what you are attempting to minimise down to a non-sexual, 'caress lovingly'.

The hadith is related to menstrual period not sex.

It is relevant. It is very plausible for a person with very short life expectancy to marry very early.

At 6? Sure, that sounds reasonable /s

Between 9 and 12. 9 is widely accepted age of 'Aisha.

Oh really, so 9 is ok for you, is it?

The decent thinking world, which understands the gross abuse of trust caused by pedophilia leads to serious psychological disorder in the victim, firmly says otherwise.

The charge still stands, your prophet was a pedophile and your religion joyously celebrates that fact, as is evidenced by the very 'Holy' texts you all reference.

If prophet was really a pedophile, prophet could have married many childs. Prophet's first marriage was to Khadija and Khadija was 40 & was a widow and prophet was 25. Prophet also married few other widows whereas prphet could have married virgins and 'Aisha was the only virgin. It doesn't sum up to conclude prophet is a pedophile.

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[jaysabi]

I've fallen a bit behind on this thread, but this is a great list of bad sentiments I've seen in this thread that some are propagating to explain why Islam isn't violent, or to justify when it is, or just to obfuscate the issue by trying to cast blame on other religions:

“If Islam were a violent religion, then all Muslims would be violent.”

“Other religions kill, too.”

Muhammad preached 'no compulsion in religion' (Qur'an: 2:256)

The Crusades

“Muhammad never killed anyone.”

The Qur'an Teaches that all Life is Sacred (Qur'an 5:32)

"Muslims only kill in self-defense.”

The million dollar wager that "Holy War" isn't in the Qur'an.

"Verses of violence are taken out of context."

"Islam must be true, because it is the world’s fastest growing religion."

"The Qur'an can only be understood in Arabic."

[jaysabi]

Rape and sex at will is different. Also the exact age is unknown, however, it is said to be between 9 amd 12. It is also known that sex was after she reached puberty. Please don't mix rape here.

Now you're just being an apologist and you are also ignoring the commonly accepted fact in Islam that he married Aisha when she was 6 years old and had sex with her at 9.

That it has to be said he waited until she was 9 years old before he 'consummated' the marriage, as though that somehow makes it any less repugnant, is still a tacit acknowledgement that he is a child rapist.

An adult having sex with a child is raping them because a child is incapable of informed consent, even if a child has been conditioned to believe that it is something they want to happen it is still an adult abusing their position of trust to care for and nurture a child in order to satisfy their own selfish and grotesque sexual urges.

Child rape is about power and control and no sexual act by an adult to a child can be described as anything else other than a gross abuse of the significant power the adult has over a child.

Stop trying to down-play the reality that your religion celebrates a middle-aged man who had sex with a little girl who was 9 years old.
Stop trying to down-play the reality that your religion celebrates a middle-aged man who had sex with a little girl who was 9 years old.

There, I have written it twice so you know not to simply ignore what I am saying to you. A hand-wavy, "yeah, well, she was probably at least 11 or 12 so, you know, totallyokbecausehewastheultimateprophetright?

You are missing two points

 - Sex is not rape if it both is willing to do.
 - A human is a child when he/she is under the age puberty. Once a female child is mature, she can give birth to a child. I understand you are talking in general but it is not a fact.

You are missing one point here: You cannot consent to sex if you do not have the mental capacity to do so, and if you cannot consent, it is rape. It seems the only people who believe that a 12 year old (and I'm using the highest age range to give you the maximum benefit of the doubt) can consent are Muslims. It has nothing to do with physical characteristics, so puberty is irrelevant. Knowing what we know now about cognitive development, nobody today can make a credible case that a 12 year old has the mental capacity to consent to sex. You cannot defend this, the more you try the more Islam looks like a backwards religion. You're unwilling to admit that 1500 years ago, your prophet did things that are unacceptable today. You're stuck trying to justify it, and you're only point (that she reached puberty) is irrelevant. The longer Islam tries to justify child rape, the longer it will be rightly viewed as being stuck in the dark ages.

[Spendulus]

Rape and sex at will is different. Also the exact age is unknown, however, it is said to be between 9 amd 12. It is also known that sex was after she reached puberty. Please don't mix rape here.

Now you're just being an apologist and you are also ignoring the commonly accepted fact in Islam that he married Aisha when she was 6 years old and had sex with her at 9.

That it has to be said he waited until she was 9 years old before he 'consummated' the marriage, as though that somehow makes it any less repugnant, is still a tacit acknowledgement that he is a child rapist.

An adult having sex with a child is raping them because a child is incapable of informed consent, even if a child has been conditioned to believe that it is something they want to happen it is still an adult abusing their position of trust to care for and nurture a child in order to satisfy their own selfish and grotesque sexual urges.

Child rape is about power and control and no sexual act by an adult to a child can be described as anything else other than a gross abuse of the significant power the adult has over a child.

Stop trying to down-play the reality that your religion celebrates a middle-aged man who had sex with a little girl who was 9 years old.
Stop trying to down-play the reality that your religion celebrates a middle-aged man who had sex with a little girl who was 9 years old.

There, I have written it twice so you know not to simply ignore what I am saying to you. A hand-wavy, "yeah, well, she was probably at least 11 or 12 so, you know, totallyokbecausehewastheultimateprophetright?

You are missing two points

 - Sex is not rape if it both is willing to do.
 - A human is a child when he/she is under the age puberty. Once a female child is mature, she can give birth to a child. I understand you are talking in general but it is not a fact.

You are missing one point here: You cannot consent to sex if you do not have the mental capacity to do so, and if you cannot consent, it is rape. It seems the only people who believe that a 12 year old (and I'm using the highest age range to give you the maximum benefit of the doubt) can consent are Muslims. It has nothing to do with physical characteristics, so puberty is irrelevant. Knowing what we know now about cognitive development, nobody today can make a credible case that a 12 year old has the mental capacity to consent to sex. You cannot defend this, the more you try the more Islam looks like a backwards religion. You're unwilling to admit that 1500 years ago, your prophet did things that are unacceptable today. You're stuck trying to justify it, and you're only point (that she reached puberty) is irrelevant. The longer Islam tries to justify child rape, the longer it will be rightly viewed as being stuck in the dark ages.

I would clarify, attitudes toward children have changed over the millennia.  Just one example, consider ancient Greeks and young boys and sex.    But we're not going to go and defend ancient wrong ideas today.  That's just plain stupid.

[Muhammed Zakir]

Rape and sex at will is different. Also the exact age is unknown, however, it is said to be between 9 amd 12. It is also known that sex was after she reached puberty. Please don't mix rape here.

Now you're just being an apologist and you are also ignoring the commonly accepted fact in Islam that he married Aisha when she was 6 years old and had sex with her at 9.

That it has to be said he waited until she was 9 years old before he 'consummated' the marriage, as though that somehow makes it any less repugnant, is still a tacit acknowledgement that he is a child rapist.

An adult having sex with a child is raping them because a child is incapable of informed consent, even if a child has been conditioned to believe that it is something they want to happen it is still an adult abusing their position of trust to care for and nurture a child in order to satisfy their own selfish and grotesque sexual urges.

Child rape is about power and control and no sexual act by an adult to a child can be described as anything else other than a gross abuse of the significant power the adult has over a child.

Stop trying to down-play the reality that your religion celebrates a middle-aged man who had sex with a little girl who was 9 years old.
Stop trying to down-play the reality that your religion celebrates a middle-aged man who had sex with a little girl who was 9 years old.

There, I have written it twice so you know not to simply ignore what I am saying to you. A hand-wavy, "yeah, well, she was probably at least 11 or 12 so, you know, totallyokbecausehewastheultimateprophetright?

You are missing two points

 - Sex is not rape if it both is willing to do.
 - A human is a child when he/she is under the age puberty. Once a female child is mature, she can give birth to a child. I understand you are talking in general but it is not a fact.

You are missing one point here: You cannot consent to sex if you do not have the mental capacity to do so, and if you cannot consent, it is rape. It seems the only people who believe that a 12 year old (and I'm using the highest age range to give you the maximum benefit of the doubt) can consent are Muslims. It has nothing to do with physical characteristics, so puberty is irrelevant. Knowing what we know now about cognitive development, nobody today can make a credible case that a 12 year old has the mental capacity to consent to sex. You cannot defend this, the more you try the more Islam looks like a backwards religion. You're unwilling to admit that 1500 years ago, your prophet did things that are unacceptable today. You're stuck trying to justify it, and you're only point (that she reached puberty) is irrelevant. The longer Islam tries to justify child rape, the longer it will be rightly viewed as being stuck in the dark ages.

What I am saying is that *all* girls who reached puberty aren't the same. Some girls' can mature at that time and some don't. It doesn't mean *all*. 'Aisha has shown characteristics of a matured girl and prophet won't be a pedophile because of many reasons.

I would clarify, attitudes toward children have changed over the millennia.  Just one example, consider ancient Greeks and young boys and sex.    But we're not going to go and defend ancient wrong ideas today.  That's just plain stupid.

What about same-sex marriage? Is not that stupid?

[siameze]

Rape and sex at will is different. Also the exact age is unknown, however, it is said to be between 9 amd 12. It is also known that sex was after she reached puberty. Please don't mix rape here.

Now you're just being an apologist and you are also ignoring the commonly accepted fact in Islam that he married Aisha when she was 6 years old and had sex with her at 9.

That it has to be said he waited until she was 9 years old before he 'consummated' the marriage, as though that somehow makes it any less repugnant, is still a tacit acknowledgement that he is a child rapist.

An adult having sex with a child is raping them because a child is incapable of informed consent, even if a child has been conditioned to believe that it is something they want to happen it is still an adult abusing their position of trust to care for and nurture a child in order to satisfy their own selfish and grotesque sexual urges.

Child rape is about power and control and no sexual act by an adult to a child can be described as anything else other than a gross abuse of the significant power the adult has over a child.

Stop trying to down-play the reality that your religion celebrates a middle-aged man who had sex with a little girl who was 9 years old.
Stop trying to down-play the reality that your religion celebrates a middle-aged man who had sex with a little girl who was 9 years old.

There, I have written it twice so you know not to simply ignore what I am saying to you. A hand-wavy, "yeah, well, she was probably at least 11 or 12 so, you know, totallyokbecausehewastheultimateprophetright?

You are missing two points

 - Sex is not rape if it both is willing to do.
 - A human is a child when he/she is under the age puberty. Once a female child is mature, she can give birth to a child. I understand you are talking in general but it is not a fact.

You are missing one point here: You cannot consent to sex if you do not have the mental capacity to do so, and if you cannot consent, it is rape. It seems the only people who believe that a 12 year old (and I'm using the highest age range to give you the maximum benefit of the doubt) can consent are Muslims. It has nothing to do with physical characteristics, so puberty is irrelevant. Knowing what we know now about cognitive development, nobody today can make a credible case that a 12 year old has the mental capacity to consent to sex. You cannot defend this, the more you try the more Islam looks like a backwards religion. You're unwilling to admit that 1500 years ago, your prophet did things that are unacceptable today. You're stuck trying to justify it, and you're only point (that she reached puberty) is irrelevant. The longer Islam tries to justify child rape, the longer it will be rightly viewed as being stuck in the dark ages.

What I am saying is that *all* girls who reached puberty aren't the same. Some girls' can mature at that time and some don't. It doesn't mean *all*. 'Aisha has shown characteristics of a matured girl and prophet won't be a pedophile because of many reasons.

I would clarify, attitudes toward children have changed over the millennia.  Just one example, consider ancient Greeks and young boys and sex.    But we're not going to go and defend ancient wrong ideas today.  That's just plain stupid.

What about same-sex marriage? Is not that stupid?

[Buffer Overflow]

Can think of a few people on here that would qualify for 1000 lashes as well for "insulting Islam through electronic channels".
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-33039815

[Wilikon]

Can think of a few people on here that would qualify for 1000 lashes as well for "insulting Islam through electronic channels".
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-33039815

Very sad situation. I fell really sorry about that dude when I read the story...

[jaysabi]

Rape and sex at will is different. Also the exact age is unknown, however, it is said to be between 9 amd 12. It is also known that sex was after she reached puberty. Please don't mix rape here.

Now you're just being an apologist and you are also ignoring the commonly accepted fact in Islam that he married Aisha when she was 6 years old and had sex with her at 9.

That it has to be said he waited until she was 9 years old before he 'consummated' the marriage, as though that somehow makes it any less repugnant, is still a tacit acknowledgement that he is a child rapist.

An adult having sex with a child is raping them because a child is incapable of informed consent, even if a child has been conditioned to believe that it is something they want to happen it is still an adult abusing their position of trust to care for and nurture a child in order to satisfy their own selfish and grotesque sexual urges.

Child rape is about power and control and no sexual act by an adult to a child can be described as anything else other than a gross abuse of the significant power the adult has over a child.

Stop trying to down-play the reality that your religion celebrates a middle-aged man who had sex with a little girl who was 9 years old.
Stop trying to down-play the reality that your religion celebrates a middle-aged man who had sex with a little girl who was 9 years old.

There, I have written it twice so you know not to simply ignore what I am saying to you. A hand-wavy, "yeah, well, she was probably at least 11 or 12 so, you know, totallyokbecausehewastheultimateprophetright?

You are missing two points

 - Sex is not rape if it both is willing to do.
 - A human is a child when he/she is under the age puberty. Once a female child is mature, she can give birth to a child. I understand you are talking in general but it is not a fact.

You are missing one point here: You cannot consent to sex if you do not have the mental capacity to do so, and if you cannot consent, it is rape. It seems the only people who believe that a 12 year old (and I'm using the highest age range to give you the maximum benefit of the doubt) can consent are Muslims. It has nothing to do with physical characteristics, so puberty is irrelevant. Knowing what we know now about cognitive development, nobody today can make a credible case that a 12 year old has the mental capacity to consent to sex. You cannot defend this, the more you try the more Islam looks like a backwards religion. You're unwilling to admit that 1500 years ago, your prophet did things that are unacceptable today. You're stuck trying to justify it, and you're only point (that she reached puberty) is irrelevant. The longer Islam tries to justify child rape, the longer it will be rightly viewed as being stuck in the dark ages.

What I am saying is that *all* girls who reached puberty aren't the same. Some girls' can mature at that time and some don't. It doesn't mean *all*. 'Aisha has shown characteristics of a matured girl and prophet won't be a pedophile because of many reasons.

I understand what you're saying, but it's not relevant. It's not relevant because 1500 years ago, the idea that kids couldn't consent to sex was not a notion people held. The only thing they based it on was whether someone had begun puberty or not, and we know now this is not appropriate. Your assertion that not all girls attain puberty at the same time has no bearing on cognitive development, and cognitive development, not puberty is what grants someone the ability to consent to sex. Again, there is no correlation between puberty and cognitive development, so your assertion she was "mature" is based on nothing but an uncorrelated coincidence. So you essentially have nothing to conclude she was "mature" except the writings of the guy who has a vested interest in convincing everyone he was not raping a child.

Because the notion that consent comes from cognitive ability and not puberty, there's no way Mohammad or any other Muslim looked at her intelligence or maturity and made the educated conclusion that she was cognitively developed enough to consent. They looked at her and said 'Well, she has shown some signs of beginning puberty. She's legal now.' All your arguments about her intelligence are after-the fact arguments that have been developed recently and in hindsight to counter criticism that your great prophet diddled a child. And if any thing else was the case, you would not be trying to justify his actions with the puberty defense anymore, because it's immoral to make that defense.

[jaysabi]

Rape and sex at will is different. Also the exact age is unknown, however, it is said to be between 9 amd 12. It is also known that sex was after she reached puberty. Please don't mix rape here.

Now you're just being an apologist and you are also ignoring the commonly accepted fact in Islam that he married Aisha when she was 6 years old and had sex with her at 9.

That it has to be said he waited until she was 9 years old before he 'consummated' the marriage, as though that somehow makes it any less repugnant, is still a tacit acknowledgement that he is a child rapist.

An adult having sex with a child is raping them because a child is incapable of informed consent, even if a child has been conditioned to believe that it is something they want to happen it is still an adult abusing their position of trust to care for and nurture a child in order to satisfy their own selfish and grotesque sexual urges.

Child rape is about power and control and no sexual act by an adult to a child can be described as anything else other than a gross abuse of the significant power the adult has over a child.

Stop trying to down-play the reality that your religion celebrates a middle-aged man who had sex with a little girl who was 9 years old.
Stop trying to down-play the reality that your religion celebrates a middle-aged man who had sex with a little girl who was 9 years old.

There, I have written it twice so you know not to simply ignore what I am saying to you. A hand-wavy, "yeah, well, she was probably at least 11 or 12 so, you know, totallyokbecausehewastheultimateprophetright?

You are missing two points

 - Sex is not rape if it both is willing to do.
 - A human is a child when he/she is under the age puberty. Once a female child is mature, she can give birth to a child. I understand you are talking in general but it is not a fact.

You are missing one point here: You cannot consent to sex if you do not have the mental capacity to do so, and if you cannot consent, it is rape. It seems the only people who believe that a 12 year old (and I'm using the highest age range to give you the maximum benefit of the doubt) can consent are Muslims. It has nothing to do with physical characteristics, so puberty is irrelevant. Knowing what we know now about cognitive development, nobody today can make a credible case that a 12 year old has the mental capacity to consent to sex. You cannot defend this, the more you try the more Islam looks like a backwards religion. You're unwilling to admit that 1500 years ago, your prophet did things that are unacceptable today. You're stuck trying to justify it, and you're only point (that she reached puberty) is irrelevant. The longer Islam tries to justify child rape, the longer it will be rightly viewed as being stuck in the dark ages.

I would clarify, attitudes toward children have changed over the millennia.  Just one example, consider ancient Greeks and young boys and sex.    But we're not going to go and defend ancient wrong ideas today.  That's just plain stupid.

Yes, I agree with you. We have to judge actions based on the norms of the time. We can not say he was acting immorally in his time, but we sure can hold his apologists responsible for maintaining that his actions today would be OK.

[BADecker]

Rape and sex at will is different. Also the exact age is unknown, however, it is said to be between 9 amd 12. It is also known that sex was after she reached puberty. Please don't mix rape here.

Now you're just being an apologist and you are also ignoring the commonly accepted fact in Islam that he married Aisha when she was 6 years old and had sex with her at 9.

That it has to be said he waited until she was 9 years old before he 'consummated' the marriage, as though that somehow makes it any less repugnant, is still a tacit acknowledgement that he is a child rapist.

An adult having sex with a child is raping them because a child is incapable of informed consent, even if a child has been conditioned to believe that it is something they want to happen it is still an adult abusing their position of trust to care for and nurture a child in order to satisfy their own selfish and grotesque sexual urges.

Child rape is about power and control and no sexual act by an adult to a child can be described as anything else other than a gross abuse of the significant power the adult has over a child.

Stop trying to down-play the reality that your religion celebrates a middle-aged man who had sex with a little girl who was 9 years old.
Stop trying to down-play the reality that your religion celebrates a middle-aged man who had sex with a little girl who was 9 years old.

There, I have written it twice so you know not to simply ignore what I am saying to you. A hand-wavy, "yeah, well, she was probably at least 11 or 12 so, you know, totallyokbecausehewastheultimateprophetright?

You are missing two points

 - Sex is not rape if it both is willing to do.
 - A human is a child when he/she is under the age puberty. Once a female child is mature, she can give birth to a child. I understand you are talking in general but it is not a fact.

You are missing one point here: You cannot consent to sex if you do not have the mental capacity to do so, and if you cannot consent, it is rape. It seems the only people who believe that a 12 year old (and I'm using the highest age range to give you the maximum benefit of the doubt) can consent are Muslims. It has nothing to do with physical characteristics, so puberty is irrelevant. Knowing what we know now about cognitive development, nobody today can make a credible case that a 12 year old has the mental capacity to consent to sex. You cannot defend this, the more you try the more Islam looks like a backwards religion. You're unwilling to admit that 1500 years ago, your prophet did things that are unacceptable today. You're stuck trying to justify it, and you're only point (that she reached puberty) is irrelevant. The longer Islam tries to justify child rape, the longer it will be rightly viewed as being stuck in the dark ages.

I would clarify, attitudes toward children have changed over the millennia.  Just one example, consider ancient Greeks and young boys and sex.    But we're not going to go and defend ancient wrong ideas today.  That's just plain stupid.

Yes, I agree with you. We have to judge actions based on the norms of the time. We can not say he was acting immorally in his time, but we sure can hold his apologists responsible for maintaining that his actions today would be OK.

Besides, they didn't have Viagra back 1,500 years ago.     

[Wilikon]

Errare humanum est, perseverare diabolicum

[kuroman]

I think this thread is way to long and a lot of trolling is happening around here, which is sad for such a serious subject, to answer the initial question : Islam doesn't hate people, people hates people Muslims or not.

[bryant.coleman]

Can think of a few people on here that would qualify for 1000 lashes as well for "insulting Islam through electronic channels".
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-33039815

Saudi Arabia is a shit hole of a nation, and I don't know why people want to reside there. In this case, this guy (Raif Badawi) had dual Saudi-Canadian citizenship. What was the need for him to stay in Saudi Arabia, when his family was residing in Canada? That said, I am against any interference on the  internal affairs of Saudi Arabia. Let them run that country according to the stone age laws.

[Spendulus]

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Yes, I agree with you. We have to judge actions based on the norms of the time. We can not say he was acting immorally in his time, but we sure can hold his apologists responsible for maintaining that his actions today would be OK.

Yeah, that's the central issue.  They could just say "We don't do that today because we know better."  But instead there's all this double talk and lying.  Basically meaning, they do do that today because the Prophet did it so it's gotta be okay, la de da de da. 

Ain't life sweet?

[Spendulus]

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Because the notion that consent comes from cognitive ability and not puberty, there's no way Mohammad or any other Muslim looked at her intelligence or maturity and made the educated conclusion that she was cognitively developed enough to consent. They looked at her and said 'Well, she has shown some signs of beginning puberty. She's legal now.' All your arguments about her intelligence are after-the fact arguments that have been developed recently and in hindsight to counter criticism that your great prophet diddled a child. And if any thing else was the case, you would not be trying to justify his actions with the puberty defense anymore, because it's immoral to make that defense.

Today we know there are far more miscarriages, and various forms of medical problems for the girl and for the baby, if pregnancy is taken to term for 9-12 year old girls.   What this means is that Zakir is simply ignorant when she propagates the party line that "she was mature."

Regardless of consent, sex and pregnancy at age 9-12 is something only a fool would advocate.

I think it quite likely that a millennia ago, wise elders of the tribe would have known things of this sort.     

[cryptodevil]

Regardless of consent, sex and pregnancy at age 9-12 is something only a fool would advocate.

I think it quite likely that a millennia ago, wise elders of the tribe would have known things of this sort.     

Muslims citing, "that's how things were back then", is not only tacit approval of their prophet being a child rapist, it also puts them into the awkward position of knowing that it is *not* appropriate and it is not 'right' for an adult to rape a child and that it both risks children's lives physically as well as causes them numerous neuropsychiatric disorders in adulthood, having to consider the fact that if their prophet was genuinely talking to their god and their god was genuinely communicating regularly with their prophet, wouldn't god have known the harm that child rape does and have advised him not to rape Aisha?

So citing "that's how things were" is to say that either their prophet wasn't actually communicating with god and he was simply making sure he got what he wanted by lying to his deluded followers, or god also approved of child rape back then but doesn't now.

Either that or they have to claim that their god did and still does approve of child rape.

[Spendulus]

Regardless of consent, sex and pregnancy at age 9-12 is something only a fool would advocate.

I think it quite likely that a millennia ago, wise elders of the tribe would have known things of this sort.     

Muslims citing, "that's how things were back then", is not only tacit approval of their prophet being a child rapist, it also puts them into the awkward position of knowing that it is *not* appropriate and it is not 'right' for an adult to rape a child and that it both risks children's lives physically as well as causes them numerous neuropsychiatric disorders in adulthood, having to consider the fact that if their prophet was genuinely talking to their god and their god was genuinely communicating regularly with their prophet, wouldn't god have known the harm that child rape does and have advised him not to rape Aisha?

So citing "that's how things were" is to say that either their prophet wasn't actually communicating with god and he was simply making sure he got what he wanted by lying to his deluded followers, or god also approved of child rape back then but doesn't now.

Either that or they have to claim that their god did and still does approve of child rape.

We're sort of saying the same thing, but I'm trying to give some allowance for different cultural and different times.

As an aside, the phrase "Child Bride" exists as a term, because historically there were enough cases of it to cause it to be termed distinctly. 

We can apply today's knowledge to man's actions of long ago, and thus be critical of those actions. 

Would a "God" a millennia ago have advised a person he was communicating with not to "rape Aisha?" 

It is not possible for me to answer a question of this sort, since as an atheist I find the premises in error, and therefore the conclusions would be without value. 

For what it's worth, here is the Wikipedia entry on Aisha.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aisha

[cryptodevil]

We're sort of saying the same thing, but I'm trying to give some allowance for different cultural and different times.

Understood but, given what is asserted about the omnipotent, omniscience of their god, 'cultural values' would not have been a factor in 'His' 'communications' with their prophet on the subject of raping a small child.

So my assertion still stands, either they claim that their god approved of child-rape then but does not now, or they are claiming their god approved of child-rape then and still does now.

Would a "God" a millennia ago have advised a person he was communicating with not to "rape Aisha?"

Would a "God" today advise a person he was communicating with not to rape a child?

In asking this question we do not establish anything about their 'god' ourselves as atheists, but given that theists claim to have knowledge of WhatGodWants(tm), the question can be directed at them to answer because our questions do not concerns the gods we do not believe in but the dysfunctional delusions they do. Understanding what values they ascribe to their world-view by way of having them explain what their god values and does not is critically important to better understand just how toxic their psychology and their religions are.

"Aisha's age is a major pre-occupation in Ibn Sa'd where her marriage varies between six and seven; nine seems constant as her age at the marriage's consummation." She notes one exception in Ibn Hisham's biography of the Prophet, which suggests the age of consummation may have been when Aisha was age 10

[bryant.coleman]

I think it quite likely that a millennia ago, wise elders of the tribe would have known things of this sort.     

I don't think that was the case in Middle-East back then. Even before the spread of Islam, girls used to get married at the age of 6 or 7. It was a heavily tribalized society. The same was the case in most parts of Africa, and South Asia. But those are the things of the past. No one should defend them, and say that girls should get married at the age of six nowadays.