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March 29, 2015, 05:56:33 PM
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It's not that the Quran hasn't been proven wrong. It's simply that Muslims don't know or don't care that it is wrong.

Smiley
So your just speculating (or hoping) it's wrong, yet your talking like it is fact.

And a good morning to you, Fluffer Overblow.

Smiley

Yet another fallacy. A daily occurance.
https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/ad-hominem

Just prove me only one verse of the Quran that is wrong or that you think its wrong. Quran is only the book in the world that is right and no one can change only one word in this book. Because ALLAH has taken the charge to safeguard this book.

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/quran/023-violence.htm

Roll Eyes Quite a lot of them actually

"...their feet should be cut off on opposite sides..."
Wow. How peaceful
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March 29, 2015, 06:22:31 PM
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It's not that the Quran hasn't been proven wrong. It's simply that Muslims don't know or don't care that it is wrong.

Smiley
So your just speculating (or hoping) it's wrong, yet your talking like it is fact.

And a good morning to you, Fluffer Overblow.

Smiley

Yet another fallacy. A daily occurance.
https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/ad-hominem

Just prove me only one verse of the Quran that is wrong or that you think its wrong. Quran is only the book in the world that is right and no one can change only one word in this book. Because ALLAH has taken the charge to safeguard this book.

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/quran/023-violence.htm

Roll Eyes Quite a lot of them actually

"...their feet should be cut off on opposite sides..."
Wow. How peaceful

This is because

"In these days people people steal something and they were caught they had been punishment few $ and then they were free and can leave, but again they do the same thing and again they were caught and again are free."

What Islam says?

"“[As for] the thief, the male and the female, amputate their hands in recompense for what they earned [i.e. committed] as a deterrent [punishment] from Allaah. And Allaah is Exalted in Might and Wise.” [Quran 5:38] "

Why it is said:

Very often the opponents of Islam and even some of the less knowledgeable Muslims have levelled this objection that this Islamic penalty appears to be intensely harsh, and if this ruling were to be implemented in today's world, there would be numerous hands which would have to be cut. In addition, enforcement of this ruling would entail that a person, in addition to losing an important part of his body, would become infamous and notorious all throughout his life.

In answering this objection, attention ought to be paid to this reality that:

Firstly: Just as we had mentioned in the conditions of this ruling that not every thief shall become encompassed by this law, rather, there shall be only one group of dangerous thieves, who shall be formally subjected to this punishment.

Secondly: In view of the fact that in Islam there are several requirements and conditions that need to be met in order to prove a crime, the occurrence of this punishment further diminishes.

Thirdly: Many of the objections which people, possessing less knowledge, have propounded against the Islamic laws is simply because they have sought to examine its one ruling, independently and without taking into account its other rulings; in other words, they attempt to envisage that ruling in a completely non-Islamic society.

Fourthly: If we observe theft to be rampant today, it is because such rulings are not being enforced; and hence, in environments in which this Islamic ruling is enforced (like Saudi Arabia, in which until very recently this ruling had been in force), extraordinary safety is observed to prevail over them with regards money and property.


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March 29, 2015, 07:15:39 PM
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It's not that the Quran hasn't been proven wrong. It's simply that Muslims don't know or don't care that it is wrong.

Smiley
So your just speculating (or hoping) it's wrong, yet your talking like it is fact.

And a good morning to you, Fluffer Overblow.

Smiley

Yet another fallacy. A daily occurance.
https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/ad-hominem

Just prove me only one verse of the Quran that is wrong or that you think its wrong. Quran is only the book in the world that is right and no one can change only one word in this book. Because ALLAH has taken the charge to safeguard this book.

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/quran/023-violence.htm

Roll Eyes Quite a lot of them actually

"...their feet should be cut off on opposite sides..."
Wow. How peaceful

This is because

"In these days people people steal something and they were caught they had been punishment few $ and then they were free and can leave, but again they do the same thing and again they were caught and again are free."

What Islam says?

"“[As for] the thief, the male and the female, amputate their hands in recompense for what they earned [i.e. committed] as a deterrent [punishment] from Allaah. And Allaah is Exalted in Might and Wise.” [Quran 5:38] "

Why it is said:

Very often the opponents of Islam and even some of the less knowledgeable Muslims have levelled this objection that this Islamic penalty appears to be intensely harsh, and if this ruling were to be implemented in today's world, there would be numerous hands which would have to be cut. In addition, enforcement of this ruling would entail that a person, in addition to losing an important part of his body, would become infamous and notorious all throughout his life.

In answering this objection, attention ought to be paid to this reality that:

Firstly: Just as we had mentioned in the conditions of this ruling that not every thief shall become encompassed by this law, rather, there shall be only one group of dangerous thieves, who shall be formally subjected to this punishment.

Secondly: In view of the fact that in Islam there are several requirements and conditions that need to be met in order to prove a crime, the occurrence of this punishment further diminishes.

Thirdly: Many of the objections which people, possessing less knowledge, have propounded against the Islamic laws is simply because they have sought to examine its one ruling, independently and without taking into account its other rulings; in other words, they attempt to envisage that ruling in a completely non-Islamic society.

Fourthly: If we observe theft to be rampant today, it is because such rulings are not being enforced; and hence, in environments in which this Islamic ruling is enforced (like Saudi Arabia, in which until very recently this ruling had been in force), extraordinary safety is observed to prevail over them with regards money and property.


It's pretty easy for me to see how, if the average devout Muslim believes in cutting off hands and feet, and stoning women for certain offenses...

...it is easy for me to see how more radical Muslims, claiming authority from the same book, could think themselves justified in beheading those who did not submit to their ideas, and killing thousands to make terror.

I would like one of the more devout and learned Muslims on this forum to enunciate the logical steps, though them may be in his view in error, that lead radical muslims to believe based on the Koran they have the religious authority to do terrorist acts.

That is after all the subject of this thread.  It really isn't good enough to just deny it - "Oh, the terrorists are not REAL MUSLIMS."  Or to say it's crazy people.

You do claim your religion has authority for righteous violence.  To me and most people on this forum or in the world today, this is crazy talk.

Therefore, please address the question of Islamic terrorism directly.

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March 29, 2015, 07:25:26 PM
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It's not that the Quran hasn't been proven wrong. It's simply that Muslims don't know or don't care that it is wrong.

Smiley
So your just speculating (or hoping) it's wrong, yet your talking like it is fact.

And a good morning to you, Fluffer Overblow.

Smiley

Yet another fallacy. A daily occurance.
https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/ad-hominem

Just prove me only one verse of the Quran that is wrong or that you think its wrong. Quran is only the book in the world that is right and no one can change only one word in this book. Because ALLAH has taken the charge to safeguard this book.

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/quran/023-violence.htm

Roll Eyes Quite a lot of them actually

"...their feet should be cut off on opposite sides..."
Wow. How peaceful

This is because

"In these days people people steal something and they were caught they had been punishment few $ and then they were free and can leave, but again they do the same thing and again they were caught and again are free."

What Islam says?

"“[As for] the thief, the male and the female, amputate their hands in recompense for what they earned [i.e. committed] as a deterrent [punishment] from Allaah. And Allaah is Exalted in Might and Wise.” [Quran 5:38] "

Why it is said:

Very often the opponents of Islam and even some of the less knowledgeable Muslims have levelled this objection that this Islamic penalty appears to be intensely harsh, and if this ruling were to be implemented in today's world, there would be numerous hands which would have to be cut. In addition, enforcement of this ruling would entail that a person, in addition to losing an important part of his body, would become infamous and notorious all throughout his life.

In answering this objection, attention ought to be paid to this reality that:

Firstly: Just as we had mentioned in the conditions of this ruling that not every thief shall become encompassed by this law, rather, there shall be only one group of dangerous thieves, who shall be formally subjected to this punishment.

Secondly: In view of the fact that in Islam there are several requirements and conditions that need to be met in order to prove a crime, the occurrence of this punishment further diminishes.

Thirdly: Many of the objections which people, possessing less knowledge, have propounded against the Islamic laws is simply because they have sought to examine its one ruling, independently and without taking into account its other rulings; in other words, they attempt to envisage that ruling in a completely non-Islamic society.

Fourthly: If we observe theft to be rampant today, it is because such rulings are not being enforced; and hence, in environments in which this Islamic ruling is enforced (like Saudi Arabia, in which until very recently this ruling had been in force), extraordinary safety is observed to prevail over them with regards money and property.


It's pretty easy for me to see how, if the average devout Muslim believes in cutting off hands and feet, and stoning women for certain offenses...

...it is easy for me to see how more radical Muslims, claiming authority from the same book, could think themselves justified in beheading those who did not submit to their ideas, and killing thousands to make terror.

I would like one of the more devout and learned Muslims on this forum to enunciate the logical steps, though them may be in his view in error, that lead radical muslims to believe based on the Koran they have the religious authority to do terrorist acts.

That is after all the subject of this thread.  It really isn't good enough to just deny it - "Oh, the terrorists are not REAL MUSLIMS."  Or to say it's crazy people.
You do claim your religion has authority for righteous violence.  To me and most people on this forum or in the world today, this is crazy talk.

Therefore, please address the question of Islamic terrorism directly.



Please post here with facts. If you are posting it with facts then tell me where it is writte in the Quran that Muslim has the authority to do attcks. Just post here only one verse.

Secondly can you prove all the terrorist are Muslim ,
In the Quran it is said that if some one killed only one person, he killed the hole humanity.

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March 29, 2015, 07:29:52 PM
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It's not that the Quran hasn't been proven wrong. It's simply that Muslims don't know or don't care that it is wrong.

Smiley
So your just speculating (or hoping) it's wrong, yet your talking like it is fact.

And a good morning to you, Fluffer Overblow.

Smiley

Yet another fallacy. A daily occurance.
https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/ad-hominem

Just prove me only one verse of the Quran that is wrong or that you think its wrong. Quran is only the book in the world that is right and no one can change only one word in this book. Because ALLAH has taken the charge to safeguard this book.

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/quran/023-violence.htm

Roll Eyes Quite a lot of them actually

"...their feet should be cut off on opposite sides..."
Wow. How peaceful

This is because

"In these days people people steal something and they were caught they had been punishment few $ and then they were free and can leave, but again they do the same thing and again they were caught and again are free."

What Islam says?

"“[As for] the thief, the male and the female, amputate their hands in recompense for what they earned [i.e. committed] as a deterrent [punishment] from Allaah. And Allaah is Exalted in Might and Wise.” [Quran 5:38] "

Why it is said:

Very often the opponents of Islam and even some of the less knowledgeable Muslims have levelled this objection that this Islamic penalty appears to be intensely harsh, and if this ruling were to be implemented in today's world, there would be numerous hands which would have to be cut. In addition, enforcement of this ruling would entail that a person, in addition to losing an important part of his body, would become infamous and notorious all throughout his life.

In answering this objection, attention ought to be paid to this reality that:

Firstly: Just as we had mentioned in the conditions of this ruling that not every thief shall become encompassed by this law, rather, there shall be only one group of dangerous thieves, who shall be formally subjected to this punishment.

Secondly: In view of the fact that in Islam there are several requirements and conditions that need to be met in order to prove a crime, the occurrence of this punishment further diminishes.

Thirdly: Many of the objections which people, possessing less knowledge, have propounded against the Islamic laws is simply because they have sought to examine its one ruling, independently and without taking into account its other rulings; in other words, they attempt to envisage that ruling in a completely non-Islamic society.

Fourthly: If we observe theft to be rampant today, it is because such rulings are not being enforced; and hence, in environments in which this Islamic ruling is enforced (like Saudi Arabia, in which until very recently this ruling had been in force), extraordinary safety is observed to prevail over them with regards money and property.



"As to those who reject faith, I will punish them with terrible agony in this world and in the Hereafter, nor will they have anyone to help."

This doesn't seem directed at thieves, just at people who believe in other faiths.
What's the explanation?

I'm genuinely interested and trying not to judge.
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March 29, 2015, 07:34:15 PM
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It's pretty easy for me to see how, if the average devout Muslim believes in cutting off hands and feet, and stoning women for certain offenses...

...it is easy for me to see how more radical Muslims, claiming authority from the same book, could think themselves justified in beheading those who did not submit to their ideas, and killing thousands to make terror.

I would like one of the more devout and learned Muslims on this forum to enunciate the logical steps, though them may be in his view in error, that lead radical muslims to believe based on the Koran they have the religious authority to do terrorist acts.

That is after all the subject of this thread.  It really isn't good enough to just deny it - "Oh, the terrorists are not REAL MUSLIMS."  Or to say it's crazy people.
You do claim your religion has authority for righteous violence.  To me and most people on this forum or in the world today, this is crazy talk.

Therefore, please address the question of Islamic terrorism directly.



Please post here with facts. If you are posting it with facts then tell me where it is writte in the Quran that Muslim has the authority to do attcks. Just post here only one verse.

Secondly can you prove all the terrorist are Muslim ,
In the Quran it is said that if some one killed only one person, he killed the hole humanity.

I think you missed his point. He's asking YOU to justify how Muslims believe it is OK for them to take justice and punishment into their own hands, such as cutting off body parts and stoning women to death, and beheading people for violations of Islamic law which they may not even agree to be governed by on account of not being Muslim.

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March 29, 2015, 09:49:59 PM
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since you have stepped on that point, let me ask something.


where is the book of islamic law. talking about Shariah law right? i would like to see the book of Shariah law Smiley and i am a muslim

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It's pretty easy for me to see how, if the average devout Muslim believes in cutting off hands and feet, and stoning women for certain offenses...

...it is easy for me to see how more radical Muslims, claiming authority from the same book, could think themselves justified in beheading those who did not submit to their ideas, and killing thousands to make terror.

I would like one of the more devout and learned Muslims on this forum to enunciate the logical steps, though them may be in his view in error, that lead radical muslims to believe based on the Koran they have the religious authority to do terrorist acts.

That is after all the subject of this thread.  It really isn't good enough to just deny it - "Oh, the terrorists are not REAL MUSLIMS."  Or to say it's crazy people.
You do claim your religion has authority for righteous violence.  To me and most people on this forum or in the world today, this is crazy talk.

Therefore, please address the question of Islamic terrorism directly.



Please post here with facts. If you are posting it with facts then tell me where it is writte in the Quran that Muslim has the authority to do attcks. Just post here only one verse.

Secondly can you prove all the terrorist are Muslim ,
In the Quran it is said that if some one killed only one person, he killed the hole humanity.

I think you missed his point. He's asking YOU to justify how Muslims believe it is OK for them to take justice and punishment into their own hands, such as cutting off body parts and stoning women to death, and beheading people for violations of Islamic law which they may not even agree to be governed by on account of not being Muslim.
Yes, I understand that we have some attempts at misdirection, reframing and mis framing of the argument.  But I am asking a simple and direct question, which should be capable of being answered.  If the local faithful muslims cannot or will not answer this I can understand, because it is a horrible thing.  But this question is...

From specific verses and tenents of the Islam religion how is the mis guided belief set that it's good to drive airplanes into skyscrapers derived?

The answer would be something like "Verse 2.b.1 says "XCVXCVXCV" and it is misunderstood by these radicals to mean "SDFSDFSDFS".  Etc, etc.  But how is the theory of who the enemy is derived?   The "terrorist action" is taken against "enemy" women and children, not warriers.  Of course in my view this makes the "terrorists" cowards.  But I would just like to understand the chain of logic which in the view of saner and mainstream people is illogic.

A process of understanding is made more difficult by religious propaganda, which is really all that has been produced in the last several pages of this thread.
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 #669

It's pretty easy for me to see how, if the average devout Muslim believes in cutting off hands and feet, and stoning women for certain offenses...

...it is easy for me to see how more radical Muslims, claiming authority from the same book, could think themselves justified in beheading those who did not submit to their ideas, and killing thousands to make terror.

I would like one of the more devout and learned Muslims on this forum to enunciate the logical steps, though them may be in his view in error, that lead radical muslims to believe based on the Koran they have the religious authority to do terrorist acts.

That is after all the subject of this thread.  It really isn't good enough to just deny it - "Oh, the terrorists are not REAL MUSLIMS."  Or to say it's crazy people.
You do claim your religion has authority for righteous violence.  To me and most people on this forum or in the world today, this is crazy talk.

Therefore, please address the question of Islamic terrorism directly.



Please post here with facts. If you are posting it with facts then tell me where it is writte in the Quran that Muslim has the authority to do attcks. Just post here only one verse.

Secondly can you prove all the terrorist are Muslim ,
In the Quran it is said that if some one killed only one person, he killed the hole humanity.

I think you missed his point. He's asking YOU to justify how Muslims believe it is OK for them to take justice and punishment into their own hands, such as cutting off body parts and stoning women to death, and beheading people for violations of Islamic law which they may not even agree to be governed by on account of not being Muslim.
Yes, I understand that we have some attempts at misdirection, reframing and mis framing of the argument.  But I am asking a simple and direct question, which should be capable of being answered.  If the local faithful muslims cannot or will not answer this I can understand, because it is a horrible thing.  But this question is...

From specific verses and tenents of the Islam religion how is the mis guided belief set that it's good to drive airplanes into skyscrapers derived?

The answer would be something like "Verse 2.b.1 says "XCVXCVXCV" and it is misunderstood by these radicals to mean "SDFSDFSDFS".  Etc, etc.  But how is the theory of who the enemy is derived?   The "terrorist action" is taken against "enemy" women and children, not warriers.  Of course in my view this makes the "terrorists" cowards.  But I would just like to understand the chain of logic which in the view of saner and mainstream people is illogic.

A process of understanding is made more difficult by religious propaganda, which is really all that has been produced in the last several pages of this thread.

Muslims who read that "bad" verses in the Quran or Hadith, if they remain Muslim very long after that, they try to figure out ways to make it look like the words of the Quran aren't so bad after all. That's why we read a bunch of Muslim apologist stuff in this thread saying that the bad words are really just a zealous expression of good things when taken in text.

Bad is bad. Good is good. They might work together at times. They might stand side by side for a while. But bad will always remain bad, and good will always remain good, and the bad in the Quran will always taint it badly.

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March 30, 2015, 09:02:00 AM
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Here's an interesting video for you showing some muslim kids in the Netherlands. They didn't get all these ideology from thin air. Their parents are teaching them this hate towards others and lack of respect for human life. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Ky2H7dr8-g


Interesting video, so I should to hate those people all because they are muslim and they believe in one unique God name 'Allah'. No Sorry I don't hate those people, I hate only the bad person who don't know what they are saying (for example those kids in the video).
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March 30, 2015, 09:14:53 AM
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whos said islam hates people,..?
islam full of tenderness
compassion for the whole universe ,...
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whos said islam hates people,..?
islam full of tenderness
compassion for the whole universe ,...
RAHMATAN LIL ALAMIN


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March 30, 2015, 11:28:00 AM
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Here's an interesting video for you showing some muslim kids in the Netherlands. They didn't get all these ideology from thin air. Their parents are teaching them this hate towards others and lack of respect for human life. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Ky2H7dr8-g


Interesting video, so I should to hate those people all because they are muslim and they believe in one unique God name 'Allah'. No Sorry I don't hate those people, I hate only the bad person who don't know what they are saying (for example those kids in the video).

Well, the Christian perspective is not to "Only hate the bad person..."  It is to not engage in hate.

Regardless, I would like to see where and how the false Islam develops and sustains itself.

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March 30, 2015, 11:34:03 AM
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Hello all, I am happy to join this "discussion" and give you unbiased specific information. I am a Arab, Muslim and born and raised in Mecca. Yup I was born less than a kilometres from the holy mosque. Please ask specific question of how do you think Islam is and its opinion regarding a specific matter. I will be happy to answer and being unbiased regardless if the answer sounding "good" or "bad"

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March 30, 2015, 11:38:17 AM
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Hello all, I am happy to join this "discussion" and give you unbiased specific information. I am a Arab, Muslim and born and raised in Mecca. Yup I was born less than a kilometres from the holy mosque. Please ask specific question of how do you think Islam is and its opinion regarding a specific matter. I will be happy to answer and being unbiased regardless if the answer sounding "good" or "bad"

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Hello, and thank you for responding.  Here are the questions I have posed.

I would like to see where and how the false Islam develops and sustains itself.

I would like one of the more devout and learned Muslims on this forum to enunciate the logical steps, though them may be in his view in error, that lead radical muslims to believe based on the Koran they have the religious authority to do terrorist acts.

That is after all the subject of this thread.  It really isn't good enough to just deny it - "Oh, the terrorists are not REAL MUSLIMS."  Or to say it's crazy people.
You do claim your religion has authority for righteous violence.  To me and most people on this forum or in the world today, this is crazy talk.

Therefore, please address the question of Islamic terrorism directly.

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March 30, 2015, 11:50:06 AM
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Hello all, I am happy to join this "discussion" and give you unbiased specific information. I am a Arab, Muslim and born and raised in Mecca. Yup I was born less than a kilometres from the holy mosque. Please ask specific question of how do you think Islam is and its opinion regarding a specific matter. I will be happy to answer and being unbiased regardless if the answer sounding "good" or "bad"

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According to Mainstream Media there are approximately 2 billion Muslims. Out of that population it is estimated that 10-15% are radicalized. Let's lean to the lower side and go with 5%. 5% means that there are 100 million radicalized, bat-shit crazy pieces of shit among the population.

That is a whole lot of crazy and they are producing offspring to carry on the tradition.

So my question is how do we sort the good from the bad?

How come the supposed 'good' Muslims are not weeding these people out? Or at least publicly decrying it?

You guys, good or bad, have earned a bad rep. How do you propose overcoming it? I mean you still treat woman as property, don't you?

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March 30, 2015, 11:56:17 AM
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That said, I know not all Muslims are radical and aggressive, but they should work on their image, especially if they are living in other countries like those Dutch guys.
Actually it's the reverse, the radicals are the ones shaping the image of Islam in the world's view, by hijacking the media through the media's propensity for covering atrocities.

It's pretty much to the point where in the world's view, the phrase "Allah Akbar" has come to be associated with a terrorist, rather than it's original meaning.   But this is a statement of the problem, not the solution, and is not indicative of the causes, but the effects.
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March 30, 2015, 12:50:34 PM
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Hello again guys, I will try to answer you questions but currently I would do it rather "briefly" because of other time consuming things I am working on at the moment.

DISCLAIMER: All my answers are of my opinion and the knowledge and experiences I accomulated over the course of my life. I have given myself a place to "answer" because I am of the origin of Islam, to extends I would rather not tell you about, But I am very much and by all means, of the traditional Islam in its purist (or most ancient) form.

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I would like to see where and how the false Islam develops and sustains itself.

- Starting from the "where", The uniqueness of Islam that it was not like in other Ibrahimic religions and constraints itself to the private practices and moral guides of the individual and a specific set of people; It went to giveout guidelines and "laws" on how to govern a society or a community where the majority are Muslims. There are two problems that rose up from this. The first was being subjective to different interpretation and manipulations by the "executors" of such laws. The second being the clash against other established or emerging systems and laws.

What we calling "false" islam is actually a specific mentality or a way of thinking taking over a certain governed society, Sometimes the society actually is behind it and sometimes it is not. For example and it is VERY obvious, in Iraq, ISIS is governing by blood and bullets. You believe what they believe or you die. It is sustained by fear and it is alluring to join as you will be feared, it gives a sense of being.... important. Also because it is "loosly" based on some traditional Islamic beliefs. A long beard and a short thobe gives a teenager the sense that this guy is actually telling him the truth behind his belief system. He would want to defend his people, he would want to restore the glory to his country.

Take another example, Egypt. Even thought a specific group is considered radical, The majority of Muslims are not condemning their way of thinking. Most of them think they are the brave warriors of Islam. I can tell you for sure that Osama Bin Laden is considered a hero in many many Arab and muslim countries. Believe it or not at a point even I considered him one. In certain aspects I still believe he is and will always be, But no any more or less than Bradley Manning!. But that is going beyond the question, lets take this section to another post

For the second problem, The clashing of societies, Cultures and belief system. We see it everyday in every country with a diversity of religions that includes Islam. I would quote the legendary Ahmed Deedat with the ultimate answer to this problem and add some to it. He said once "Don't live in a country that you don't think it is worth dying for, Just don't live there, don't complain!". I will add to that "and simply if the disagreement of the society you are living with does not invade or interrupt your personal space and religious practices, Leave!". For example, muslims in many countries are not allowed to legally have more than one wife, Yet so little complains, While in the Philippines the moment you declare you are a Muslim it becomes legal for you to do that, Yet everyone complains!.

Finally I would say that there is no sustainability for "false" islam (lets call it severely radical and chaotic) without blood, money and godless people behind it.

Religions, All religions are good. It is the people that are very bad.

I don't know if I diverted from the question, sorry if I did. I have alot of javascript ode in the back of my head to write.

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March 30, 2015, 12:56:41 PM
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Because of time constraints these days please pm me your questions it is really hard to go through all posts and stuff.

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March 30, 2015, 01:24:50 PM
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I am here to just say one thing? Why do YOU hate people? and you should really give a valid reason not a shitty one that says 'Because Jews, Because Christians, Because Atheists'
and Yes, I am a people's person for those who ask, just tell me, come out of your shell and say why you HATE people like myself, and I could be here to clarify things to you, or not...
Also here is something that most muslims mistake about people's person like me is that "Christianity or Buddhism hate other religions" for this I say, Christianity or Buddhism does not hate ANY religion, but they suggest to 'invite' them to Christianity or Buddhism or Judaism, as slowly, and peacefully, even if they refuse, you can try and try, until it's their choice, you stop. and for all the wars that happened, it's because this other religion decided to come into war on Christianity or Buddhism or Judaism.

If you need anything clarified, I may not be here to answer you, don't be scared, I won't be offended by anyone, also haters, you can reply, I won't care Wink Wink Wink Wink Wink Wink Wink Wink Wink Wink Wink Wink Cheesy



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If you are not here and won't be offended, it'll likely be because you have been killed by some Muslim group simply for starting this thread.

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