Rather than invest -or even hype- now, it would probably be more prudent to wair at least until jan 12... 2015.

And, to be real careful, same date, 2016. Or 2017.

Very very hard. Amounts are very small and the profit 20-30%.

I went back in but could only secure 1000 coins. Have a few more orders but it seems stabilized for now. Only volume of any significance will happen if and when it dips below 3000. And I'm there. I figure at the current level the downside may not be so hard if I am willing -and boy am I!- to get out of Dodge with a mere 20%.

Everything that needed saying, was said.
Dead is Dead.
Enjoy the fuck up/down... it's your funeral.

I believe the messiah has been around for a while now. It's James Lee, Jdl777.

And he can afford to play straight and not die at all.

Wow this is evolving into quite a mess...

The point of the OP was to state that, in my opinion, the price of BTC was stabilizing at these low levels from which -again, in my opinion-, it will spring upside for very significant gains in the near future, with plenty of swing-trade opportunities from higher highs.

The philosophical and technological aspects of the currency-commodity/whatever notwithstanding.

Interesting math:

400,000,000/7,000,000 = 70 days.
400,000,000*0.00000065 = 260 btc.

Miserable wages for miserable people. Zimbeck the Turd will take it though, what other alternative has he...?

Because "anybody" is completely stupid and has demonstrated and continues demonstrating it again and again?

If it isn't Ryan himself, then it is someone really close to him... maybe even "Holly, from Taiwan", a somewhat key piece in this simple puzzle and, definitely, the key to the undoing of both Robert and Ryan. Don't lose her trail because, for sure, this isn't the last we have or will hear of her.

As for TheSound and the Fury, your tale is wonderfully framed and written, precisely because there's no redemption. There can't be any. This is Ripley (from Plein Soleil, not from Alien) and Brutus, make no mistake about it, not Jordan Belfort. Belfort had balls. He refused to be sheep and assumed the risk that went with it, much like Vito Corleone. Here, just a bunch of cowards plotting in the dark on unruled (yet) territory, assuming no risk whatsoever. There are no "soldiers" here. Not even mercenaries, just a bunch of despicable, cowardly plotters. Lets forget distracting euphemisms. If there's any redeeming quality here, it belongs solely to Robert, Bob, Bobby. Everyone knows who he is. When law enforcement comes calling, guess who's gonna have a rather buffed cell companion for quite a few years? Maybe Ryan will fall also. Zimbeck the Turd? No way. He will weasel his way out of this by staying somewhere in Asia or even Europe, the Halo and BC and BAY a distant nightmare and still trying to con his way out and not working for a living, but I doubt in jail where he belongs.

The cowardly plotters will.... plot, of course. Always in the dark. Always behind a flickering screen. Spraying lies as abject as they can concoct -or as they are told- hoping for the wages of sin and, on a much more secondary level, some pathetic cyber-revenge. Maybe charging a few Walmart items on Bob's credit card.

Some ronin.

... and out again. It took forever for a measly 20% but, finally, got there. Rinse and repeat... except that this time around it will be with more margin for maneuvre: Close to (and below) 3,000.

By "real book" you probably mean Jackie Collins... in which case a very long time ago. Appropriately enough one of my most recent has been a (third) read of "Chronicle of a Death Foretold".... but you wouldn't know the difference between that and the behind the scenes story of the Kardashians.

Nice essays. But not even par with the course with The Sound and the Fury's "story" which leaves obvious clues as to who The Salamander is and who the narrator may be. As the only main character not called by his real name, it is blatantly obvious, it is Ryan Wrights. The fixer. Is he the narrator too? That's for you, the reader, to decide. Does it matter? Not really. The piece is priceless as literature and as a glimpse into the gutters of the darkest side of the world of crypto. But nothing, really, that we did not read and subsequently saw in The Wolf of Wall Street. Only difference is that these "ronin" and his leaders are cowardly criminals operating in the dark and, for now at least, in a world not protected by conventional laws. Given the natural cowardice and lack of morals, even at the criminal level, there's not going to be any vengeance or retribution. These cowardly caricatures of ronin will simply take the fact that their leader left them to dry and will continue on, as clumsy foot soldiers, hoping for another leader to allow them to keep on victimizing innocents... or idiots, as the case might be.

Bobsurplus is done, but not Robert. He will come back as Keanu2 or whatever and continue doing the exact same thing. Until one of the cowards -it will have to be a new one-, becomes the real ronin, the enforcer that jumps from the cowardly protection of the dark to the real world and hangs Robert by the ball one morning, potentially in Barbados. Or Thailand. Or Cabo. Same will be the fate of The Salamander/Gekko. Or, maybe, if they keep on playing their cards right, neither the FBI nor impending regulation, will affect them and will die a "peaceful" death like Michael Corleone or even Vito. Most likely though, Robert will continue being what he has always been and will ever be: a travelling salesman, rather pathetic and with extreme limitations and flaws that will end his life way earlier than would otherwise been natural and with Ryan being shot on any corner, at dusk, probably by mistake.

What is not only nauseating but revolting also is that, in spite of all the facts and all the evidence presented and completely in the open, you -and others-, still continue not "getting it". In so many ways. Starting with the real numbers that have been posted numerous times. And continuing with still listening to Zimbeck the Turd, a pathological liar and proven scammer that everyone knows not only went along with the scam but made it possible and enthusiastically supported it. Not only that, along with "Steven" he continues perpetrating the pathetically insignificant version to this day.

What the fuck else do you want? ledgers to corroborate what you already know too well? what for? why do you need further corroboration, some kind of fetish? What does it matter at all, anyone with above a pea brain would run not walk from these crooks. And yet, nauseatingly, you -and others- keep insisting if "more proof"... wow. I understand the idiots that hold some bags and desperately hang on to whatever hope for another pump by "Steven" and his chinese pals to get out, at least there's a totally blind and stupid motive for their hanging on, but you? the rest able to think? come on!

Talk about beating a dead horse...

Edit to add: And just to make things perfectly clear since you have a willful selective understanding, which coins I have "...FUDing the living shit out of...", as you colorfully put it, that have not been proven -by me- to be total scams OR examples of outrageous ineptitude? Blackcoin? Total scam (The Black Hand, fully detailed in multiple threads including the officially restored one), Libertycoin? Who but me unmasked completely Carlos and proved he was a total scammer along with partner Loljosh, not just on Libertycoin but also in a dozen more? Pesa? take a look, because it surely has gone under your radar. PINK (I was so enthusiastic about it I included it in my WALL OF HONOR... only to discover that it had been a scam all along, as proven by the devs own words?
Now the obvious incompetent ones: Vericon, Nautiluscoin, Saffroncoin... not only I was modestly invested in those (I still am, albeit more modestly), but defended the fact that there were real people behind them, as a huge positive. But you can put behind any project Mother Theresa, if it doesn't know what she's doin it will remain an example of incompetence, just like those three have again and again proven to be. So exactly which coins I have FUDDED and with what purpose, since, I repeat, I am still -and have always been- invested in those?

It is, indeed, quite nauseating. Look in the mirror and vomit, I suggest.

 No, no. This was andn is about BAY and Zimbeck the Turd. It has strayed a bit of late, towards a more significant matter. And "my hand" is and has always been, Bitcoin. Alts were interesting for a while, until I discovered most were just very rudimentary scams and those that weren't outright scams, are either ill-fated by design (DRK, etc) or totally riddled by incompetence.

There are a couple of (potential) exceptions, in Ethereum and, as a very, very distant, in fact improbable second, Supernet. The rest will simply not survive.
But that happening, or the opposite, will have nothing whatsoever to do with my opinions based on the simplest common sense, or modest investments. Or whatever else you fathom "my hand" to be.

Oh Gosh... Zimbeck the Turd alone has at least 10 different wallets, probably more. "Steven" probably has 50 or more. And Lin? who knows.

No one has any interest in BAY, no one.

As it should be being as it is a SCAM.

There you go emilio! If the narrative doesn't serve your agenda, throw it out.

Batman, I insist on Batman.

Of course not. They have brought in this new "4th developer" who will help with a new wallet momentarily -one that finally works with Windows, Doug will hope- and, as you can see, the market is giving him the expected and very well deserved "welcome"... embarrassing hang out and all (the stooges cannot even learn from experience that their hangouts are a huge NEGATIVE, rather than the opposite? Wow).

The only hope the bagholders like me have, is a big rebound when the supernet is implemented, at which point it will probably will have a momentary jump, maybe, with any luck, to 7 or 8k sat. And it will last very, very little.

There's nothing whatsoever else to look forward to in this stooge-palooza.

You are VERY wrong. There's no reason for altcoins to exist, none. The only "reason", the only idea behind them, ALL of them, is to bypass the rules of law. Everything else is just crap. That's on the philosophical side. In the practical side, the vast majority -I'd say 99%, are created with just one purpose: To rob investors. The technology is fully and permanently praised not just by the convinced but by everyone, from big corporations (IBM fully working on blockchain tech) to everyone even connected with banks across the planet. So no lack of recognition there.

But as long as fraud is rampant, obviously altcoins run out of cash available pretty quick, therefore the incentive disappears. If you want to identify a scam coin nowadays, you have only to watch one thing: How many BTC is invested in it. If it is over 200 BTC you can be 100% sure that the devs are "buying" their own coin, which means getting it for free. There are no exceptions to this rule, none. The last big draw offering, who sucked every coin left for VC were Ethereum and Supernet. After that, it doesn't make a difference what you put out there: Anything over a total of 200 (and that if it is wildly successful) is a scam. Period.

And that is why the alts are going to quickly disappear with very few exceptions. plus, there's nothing behind them. Those that look for (real) anon and "decentralized" shit or "smart" contracts, all gimmicks of no real value because they are hindered by something called LAW. And the LAW is created and paid to pursue and punish those who try to avoid taxes. Or contract killers. Or buy drugs or weapons. They (the LAW... or the law enforcers) want to control that shit because, obviously, it cannot let it in the hands of the crooks, even if many within the law are crooked also. So the idea of anything "decentralized" is an exercise in absurdity in the practical world -now or in the future- and, currently, just another scam tool -or gimmick, if "innocent"-. Same with anon. Same with "smart" contracts... when was the last time you heard of anyone being satisfied with purchasing anything or any service that doesn't have the other side fuming because it was "taken"? Never has worked in thousands of years. Never will. And that is besides the practical fact that leaving your money in the "hands" of a programmed algo is something that could beging to have "penetration" maybe hundreds of years into the future... to be quote optimistic.

I don't know if the majority of the people associate bitcoin with commodity.n If they do, that's far from bad. Personally, I see it as the best imaginable storage of value available, by leaps and bounds. As for people selling it when its price rebounds, it's called market place. And it is positive because it asserts the real value of the commodity all along. Do you think that the recent adoption -with many more coming- of BTC by giants like Microsoft and Time Warner happens at this point in time just by chance? If you do, you may be right but I am convinced that they are convinced the price of BTC has pretty much reached its lowest possible and that it will rebound and very significantly in the future, no matter -or perhaps because of them- how many people trade it and cash out the profits. I believe they are actually placing significant bets on it, all the more significant because they are -for them- minimal still, on one side, and on the other because, precisely because they are such big entities, they can afford to hold the BTC for a while, profitably, instead of being forced to convert to FIAT -for a price- instantly.

I could be wrong, of course. But I am betting on it.

That "discovery" doesn't serve you agenda ah, Turd?

It's ok, call me Batman if you think it will serve the purpose of diluting the fact that you are a confirmed and denounced scammer, long before it blew up... not by you, but by me. Or keep on calling me Bobsurplus' shill, since it appears that Bob himself, that you also tried, won't fly. Let me repeat it to you one more time: Bob is one of the most despicable individuals on the face of the earth. He deserves to be thrown in jail and get the key lost but you, little liar, scammer, you are way worse than Bob will ever be. A hundred times worse for your enthusiastic participation in the scam while being fully aware of it... by continuing participating in the attempt at scam as you continue to participate right now. You are done, Turd. A despicable, pathetic side-show. A bad memory. A Turd.  Not even worth one more second of mental time.

And yes, in your desperate attempt to deviate the obvious, you brought up something that is in general true, regarding BC. A giant scam, as depicted in THE WALL OF SHAME and in other threads. But that's just another despicable, sad, episode of the history of crypto. The crooks got away with murder, so to speak. Like Bob. So far at least. That doesn't change the fact that you are a liar and a scammer, one foot note in the most recent episode. With no future, to boot.

This doesn't belong in here along with the nonsense and the lies of Zimbeck the Turd, but it is way more sensible and interesting that all of that crap.

A recent poll in the UK showed that more and more people is aware of the existence of BTC -first step towards actual participation- but ALL of those had heard of it mostly for the scams associated with it, which means that the adoption of BTC is progressing extraordinarily well in spite of that association, which is both remarkable and very positive for the future. A REGULATED future, mind you. There's simply no other way. Either the crooks are rooted out of digital currencies of these will cease to exist altogether within a few years. We all know the technology will indeed not just survive but thrive in fact, but no digital currency needs to be associated with it. And it won't unless the field is cleaned up in a hurry.

Here's my suggestions: Stay away for BAY, it was and still is a scam.

Second one: Be very, very careful with BC. It was a HUGE scam and some of the players in that scam still remain. Were they innocent in the first one? I don't believe so but that's up for you to decide. Why would you bother with a project going nowhere? Beats me.

Another project going nowhere? Bytecent. Another one? Nautilus. Another one -this one with insiders selling millions in the background-? PINK. Yet another one? SEED.

More to come.

Feel free to dig your own tomb if you choose to ignore the warnings though, it's your funeral.

Oh and assign me whatever identity better fits your agenda. Personally I have a weakness for Batman but, as you like.