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841  Economy / Collectibles / Re: ROLLING SOON [RAFFAUCTION] Satori (Post-Fork) Chip | Funded | NO MINIMUMS! on: March 04, 2019, 01:58:47 PM
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842  Other / Meta / Re: The new DT system, updated 02 MAR 2019 on: March 04, 2019, 02:36:46 AM

I think you meant " inclusions" , makes perfect sense now, but is there a chance that he won't be on DT on the next round assuming for an example that  1 of his voter's vote goes to someone else who "needs it more"?  i remember reading something related to this but i can't recall the exact point.

     I just counted the number of supervotes people have who have included me in their trust lists. The count is ~38. If I didn't make it on DT1 because I couldn't get 2 out of 38 votes, I would think theymos would need to revisit his algorithm. However, I only have 12 people including me on the list. 3 could drop me like a hot potato at any moment. The later situation would probably be the most likely, IMHO.
    However, if I don't make it, I'll just shrug it off and go back on my patrol hunting for posts to merit. I've had a small break from that since I ran out of smerit and source merit two days ago.
843  Other / Meta / Re: The new DT system, updated 02 MAR 2019 on: March 04, 2019, 02:10:53 AM

What about the part of "votes go to the person who needs it most" ? take bones261 for an example

> http://loyce.club/trust/ranking/452769.html

theoretically he has 2*250 votes and 10*250 votes but he is not on DT yet.

i don't seem to understand this part, and i think i am not alone in this.  Grin

When theymos built the list at the start of February, bones261 didn't have enough exclusions. http://loyce.club/trust/2019-02-03_Sun_00.08h/452769.html

I think you mean inclusions, correct? I only had 6 at the time. @o_e_l_e_o, don't worry about me. I'm perfectly content with being DT2.  Although it appears that I may be getting a promotion the next time theymos updates the dt1 list. However, you never know. People can change their trust lists at any time.
844  Economy / Collectibles / Re: ENDING SOON [RAFFAUCTION] Satori (Post-Fork) Chip | Funded | NO MINIMUMS! on: March 03, 2019, 10:01:52 PM
Is the auction part of this over now? Should we start sending in our funds?
845  Other / Meta / Re: [scenarios] Changing Merit and Activity requirements for DT1-voting on: March 03, 2019, 06:24:03 PM
well these are Theymos own words are they not? I thought he said that recently in his guidelines.


Actually, these are theymos' last words regarding this matter.

I do not view it as appropriate for trust ratings to relate primarily to non-trust matters. By giving someone negative trust, you're basically attaching a note to all of their posts telling people "warning: do not trade with this person!". If we can get DT working well enough, in the future I'd like to prevent guests from even viewing topics by negative-trust users in trust-enabled sections, so you have to ask yourself whether your negative trust would warrant this sort of significant effect.

In particular, in my view:
 - Giving negative trust for being an annoying poster is inappropriate, since this has nothing to do with their trustworthiness. If they're disrupting discussion or never adding anything, then that's something for moderators to deal with, and you should report their posts and/or complain in Meta about it.
 - Giving negative trust for merit trading and deceptive alt-account use may be appropriate, but you should use a light touch so that people don't feel paranoid.
 - You should be willing to forgive past mistakes if the person seems unlikely to do it again.
 - It is absolutely not appropriate to give someone negative trust because you disagree with them. I'm disappointed in the reaction to this post. Although H8bussesNbicycles is perhaps not particularly trustworthy for other reasons, the reasons many people gave for neg-trusting him are inappropriate. You can argue that what he's advocating is bad on a utilitarian level, but he would disagree, and his advocacy of a certain Trust philosophy doesn't by itself mean that he's an untrustworthy person. DT selection is meant to be affected by user lists, and it is totally legitimate to try to honestly convince other (real) people to use a list more in-line with your views.
 
I'm not going to blacklist people from DT selection due to not following my views, since a big point of this new system is to get me less involved, but if a culture somewhat compatible with my views does not eventually develop, then I will consider this more freeform DT selection to be a failure, and I'll probably get rid of it in favor of enforcing custom trust lists.


   As stated by theymos, he does not desire blacklisting people that don't follow his views. It appears that if this does not work out, theymos is simply going to get rid of it entirely and enforce custom trust list. I also believe theymos is going to give this new system a try for more than a couple months before considering giving up on it. Perhaps he will tweek it a bit in the coming months. However, Loycev data suggests that this will only have a nominal effect. Therefore, given this data, increasing activity is likely not to be a tweek he will implement.
   As for your suggested approach to directly confront a potential scammer and then accelerating a response to eventually include red trust, I see nothing wrong with that approach. However, I also see nothing wrong with simply "snitching." Most law enforcement agencies that I know of use both approaches. When I was a bill collector, I frequently resorted to both overt and covert means to attempt to get the bill paid. Whatever works and did not violate the law was fair game.
    

846  Other / Meta / Re: [scenarios] Changing Merit and Activity requirements for DT1-voting on: March 03, 2019, 04:25:03 PM

if Theymos started blacklisting people

So now that your cockamamie theories have been debunked you want to go back to a top-down DT structure.

I have a suspicion that if theymos started actively blacklisting several members, CH would not like those results either...CH will probably blame it on you if someone gets blacklisted that CH feels should not be blacklisted.

So the false speculations and assumptions just keep pouring in.

Do you ever stop to think before posting pure drivel?

You can only be blacklisted for abusing trust.

Your job as a DT is (as far as red trust is concerned)

1. red trust scammers
2. red trust persons STRONGLY likely to scam

you red trust others you are blacklisted.

Trust abusers are banned it is quite simple.

Stop asskissing suchmoon, huge black woman etc... it's sickening.





You make it seem like that is a total black and white decision. It isn't. Especially when you add some vague qualifier such as "strongly." Do you mean more likely than not or do you mean beyond all doubt?
847  Other / Meta / Re: [scenarios] Changing Merit and Activity requirements for DT1-voting on: March 03, 2019, 04:10:14 PM

if Theymos started blacklisting people

So now that your cockamamie theories have been debunked you want to go back to a top-down DT structure.

I have a suspicion that if theymos started actively blacklisting several members, CH would not like those results either...CH will probably blame it on you if someone gets blacklisted that CH feels should not be blacklisted.
848  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: How can I increase my merits? on: March 03, 2019, 06:06:42 AM
If you want the ability to wear a signature, purchase a copper membership.
Don't encourage newbie to buy copper membership in order to wear signature. They will spam over forum and this topic is a example. If someone need to post image then he should buy it. To be honest most of new copper member spamming on the forum in my observation.

@OP, you need at least 1 merit become Jr. Member and I don't think you deserve it.

Hey look. I don't need to be reprimanded by you.
I'm only conveying what theymos himself is conveying.


Many of these limitations can be eliminated with a copper membership. In particular, you can set a signature at Member level if you wear a copper membership.


Just consider it a deposit to be paid for garbage removal.  Cheesy
849  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: How can I increase my merits? on: March 03, 2019, 05:33:59 AM
@OP I was going to recommend posting rocket memes on the WO thread to get merit. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=178336.0 However, I remember that newbies can't post images. If you want the ability to wear a signature, purchase a copper membership.  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=credit;promote (You will be able to post rocket memes too.)
850  Other / Meta / Re: BAN, help me on: March 03, 2019, 05:24:09 AM
Make an account using a new email. But do not log in after the registration button was clicked. After the registration, click the back button in the browser. Then go to the login tab and enter new details which were used in registration.

LOL, that would be ban evasion.  Roll Eyes
851  Other / Meta / Re: Who exactly told theymos to change the threshold to 250 cycled merits? on: March 03, 2019, 05:16:07 AM
When do we stop responding to cryptohunter’s walls of repetitive bull shit?
 
I kinda like it actually....
He/she gives me a chuckle on a Saturday nite after I've had a few and I post a snarky reply...



Perhaps we should make some of these a mantra.

OOOM
Quote
skanky snitchy bitch
OOOM


852  Other / Meta / Re: BAN, help me on: March 03, 2019, 05:03:28 AM
I see almost 90% of all posts @ iwamoto77 on gift twitter and facebook.

And what about this post.
Is he a native Russian. I doubt.

Гoмoceкcyaлизм-бoлeзнь. Лeчить aднaкa или ф тoпкy.
Homosexuality is a disease. Treat adnaka or f furnace.


Hmm, seems like the suggested treatment is much worse than the disease.
853  Economy / Reputation / Re: The BCT PGP/GPG Public Key Database: Stake Your PGP Key Here on: March 03, 2019, 01:37:19 AM
@mdayonliner. Is it possible to delete the reference to the previous key that I just used and replace it with this instead? I told everyone that I didn't know what the hell I am doing.   Cry


Fingerprint: 6BAF2F53353A8734F25715A7B3DF4AF45C3E2B2B

Code:
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I already deleted my old post but can't delete your post.


Link to staked Bitcoin address: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=996318.msg27270018#msg27270018

Address:
1Q7cMPzu5WCUX54RBfbojLba62ea6xyVre

Message
3.2.19 I am bones261. Req delete quote of last PBG Key I posted.

Signatur
HybQUhIPS4JBIbD+I+oJNmx7yDZ9Flsoo6RLXlPB3wkWBSHIk9Arl3zaHaXucVkqHj0146s2+FdQO4fx0SpJ+c8=
854  Other / Meta / Re: Who exactly told theymos to change the threshold to 250 cycled merits? on: March 02, 2019, 09:50:03 PM

Yes? what? you are agreeing with a cowardly sock puppet snivelling wretch who is obviously untrustworthy for needing a puppet account which is making observably false accusations.

He would not if he pushed for a real decentralised board you can guarantee that. Probably be red trusted and called a troll lol.

Oh please. If he returned, he'd be so venerated that whatever he said would be considered scripture. His very presence would throw out any hopes of decentralization, since he'd call all of the shots around here. It's probably best he stays away.
855  Economy / Services / Re: [1 OPEN SLOT] ChipMixer Signature Campaign | 0.00075 BTC/post on: March 02, 2019, 09:35:39 PM
Username: bones261
Post Count:4684
BTC Address (must be SegWit):394Bi5bUphJ3WJrwFQxsXxX97PSBsS5G8N

Will change signature if accepted.


856  Other / Meta / Re: Who exactly told theymos to change the threshold to 250 cycled merits? on: March 02, 2019, 09:28:12 PM
why it would not be better to make it 100 earned merits + 1500 activity or even 2000 activity?

Some users are happy. The people that benefit greatly from the broken systems of control. That is no reason not to improve them for a fairer environment for all.

>Complains the "broken" system isn't "fair" enough
>Wants to skew the system entirely for his own benefit

Yes, under the CH system, if satoshi himself ever returned, he'd have to post regularly for over two years to gain the activity necessary for a supervote. However, with the current system, satoshi already has 7 supervotes. (And I'm sure if he returned and started regularly posting, he'd have more merit than God in short order.)
857  Other / Meta / Re: hacked account SIGN MESSAGE NVC (confirmed) Unlocked but banned !!! on: March 02, 2019, 07:45:42 PM
Well that sucks. You recovered you account on February 26th and now you are autobanned? I hope a moderator can take a look at your case. One should not be held accountable for posts made while you were not in control of your account.
858  Other / Meta / Re: Should PGP keys be made mandatory for high ranks? on: March 02, 2019, 06:52:35 PM
Using Bitcoin keys is more difficult, you need to get people to use legacy addresses, as there's no message signing standard using segwit addresses. Awkward situation.

And what's the trouble keeping a legacy address?

Also it IS possible to sign a message with a segwit address.

Exactly. Especially since it it is probably advisable to stake an address here that you never intend on using for receiving payments.
859  Other / Meta / Re: Who exactly told theymos to change the threshold to 250 cycled merits? on: March 02, 2019, 04:00:56 PM

@Bones

are you now claiming that I am a troll? If so present the incorrect and trolling posts in a thread claiming they are are trolling and I'll see you there.

Start with the thread of the year trolling thread because i can't get people to that thread even after they chime in then run off

Or perhaps the let's define net positive and valuable posts

Or well ANY thread I have started in meta. Just bring it here and list it under is cryptohunter a troll and we can break down the posts and see if it is trolling or if it is presentation of facts and observable events and an attempt to make this board a fairer and better place for all members.

When I look at the snitchy bitchy crap suchmoon posts in reply to a lot of people and also the LACK of original content /suggestions that actually would make ANY difference to the board in a big way then I realise that she is just a big bag of wasted merit.

So nothing of note ever achieved here and supporting proven untrustworthy scum and accused of actual scamming herself in the past. = yeah excellent member suchmoon.



Oh please, you are prone to calling people names. That is a form of trolling. In fact most people on this forum are prone to being a troll from time to time. If you are looking for honeypots of merit where people are posting net positive and valuable posts, just head over to Development & Technical Discussion or Bitcoin Technical Support.
Also, if someone has some collectables to sell, the Collectibles board can help someone rack up the merit. There are probably other merit honeypots outside of meta and reputation that I am missing. The merit system is much more decentralized than you seem to think. There are 122 merit sources and they are not exclusively distributing their merit here. Theymos should consider enlisting some more notables in the altcoin community to become merit sources since the altcoin boards do seem to lack some love at the moment.
860  Other / Meta / Re: Who exactly told theymos to change the threshold to 250 cycled merits? on: March 02, 2019, 03:36:01 PM

CH should just go to the WO thread, request a hat avatar, and post rocket memes. He'll have 250+ merits in no time. It's really not that hard.  Cheesy

CH is more of a verbal person, memes are too much work.

So is JayJuanGee... and he has 600+ merits. He can even troll people in that thread and have a good chance of racking up the merit.


However, I have already said I will willingly be blacklisted from BOTH systems of control merit source and DT so i have no need of gaining 250 merits if we can swap it to a REAL decentralised approach.


The WO thread is a decentralized approach.  Cheesy Virtually anyone can rack up the merits there, although the supply has been drying up lately. Bulls and Bitcoin maximalists do have an easier time. But hey, this is bitcointalk after all.
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