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1401  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][GEMS]| SOCIAL MESSAGING APP THAT PAYS |PRE-SALE LIVE NOW| on: January 06, 2015, 11:00:10 AM
With the presale ending in just under 4 hours, we are happy to announce that you already can trade GEMZ on ALTS.Trade



GEMZ/BTC market added: https://alts.trade/trade/GEMZ/BTC


this is legit exchange 100%


Well It might of been before you posted this from an obvious Sockpuppet. Buyer Beware.
1402  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][GEMS]| SOCIAL MESSAGING APP THAT PAYS |PRE-SALE LIVE NOW| on: January 06, 2015, 05:34:30 AM
What sort of certification you require ?
You are correct - we are a new exchange, however we are here to stay and to lead, we are a registered company in Israel, Coin Systems LTD.
We will gladly provide any additional information to this community.

With the presale ending in just under 4 hours, we are happy to announce that you already can trade GEMZ on ALTS.Trade



GEMZ/BTC market added: https://alts.trade/trade/GEMZ/BTC



I'm sorry but unless you have some certification I would recommend no one touches this exchange. I saw Qora get wacked from an early site that popped up and ran off with peoples coins. This exchange is about two weeks old. No way....


Trust is earned not a given. Trust in an exchange takes time. A big flood of Gems onto your new exchange would be trusting in nothing with no track record.

I'm sure there are ways to get some kind of legitimacy quickly. Can you show more evidence of this company registration you claim?

http://www.coinssource.com/trust-index/

1403  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][GEMS]| SOCIAL MESSAGING APP THAT PAYS |PRE-SALE LIVE NOW| on: January 06, 2015, 05:14:12 AM
With the presale ending in just under 4 hours, we are happy to announce that you already can trade GEMZ on ALTS.Trade



GEMZ/BTC market added: https://alts.trade/trade/GEMZ/BTC



I'm sorry but unless you have some certification I would recommend no one touches this exchange. I saw Qora get wacked from an early site that popped up and ran off with peoples coins. This exchange is about two weeks old. No way....
1404  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Bitcoins reputation? on: January 06, 2015, 04:26:58 AM
All the time I read people are saying how such and such is damaging the reputation of Bitcoin dun dun duhhh. I just don't get it, Bitcoin doesn't need a 'good reputation' anymore than the Internet needed a good reputation to get it off the ground. Could it slow the progress of uptake? Sure but then who cares how slow it takes for people to get it.  Even MtGox in my opinion had no significant affect on Bitcoins success.  You can't have new developments and put them back in the bottle.


People need Bitcoin if they want to store their wealth, Bitcoin doesn't need people to like it. 
1405  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][GEMS]| SOCIAL MESSAGING APP THAT PAYS |PRE-SALE LIVE NOW| on: January 05, 2015, 04:26:44 PM
maybe multibit doesnt recognize it as bitcoin address ,because the address starts with a 3 and not with 1 as usual


Like i said ive sent all my btc through multibit. Zero issues. Are you closing the popup window before you send? I guess you might be setting up a new one and killing the old one. Pure conjecture, you better contact Koinify.
1406  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][GEMS]| SOCIAL MESSAGING APP THAT PAYS |PRE-SALE LIVE NOW| on: January 05, 2015, 04:20:22 PM
I am trying to buy some gems from Koinify ,but when i try to send btc from my multibit wallet to koinify , i am getting validation error (The address "323vjidVRfsNDFGbHWoVyN3RuXwANy7hrc" is not a valid bitcoin address.)
What wrong i am doing?



I would just log out and start again with a new address. I've had no problem from multibit to Koinify.

loged out got new address and got the same message


weird. I would contact Koinify but also I would want to check there was nothing wrong with my Bitcoin wallet and test send a few satoshi somewhere like another multibit wallet. 
1407  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][GEMS]| SOCIAL MESSAGING APP THAT PAYS |PRE-SALE LIVE NOW| on: January 05, 2015, 04:09:35 PM
I am trying to buy some gems from Koinify ,but when i try to send btc from my multibit wallet to koinify , i am getting validation error (The address "323vjidVRfsNDFGbHWoVyN3RuXwANy7hrc" is not a valid bitcoin address.)
What wrong i am doing?



I would just log out and start again with a new address. I've had no problem from multibit to Koinify.
1408  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin is going viral on: January 05, 2015, 10:51:06 AM
According to google, search volume about doubled the day after the Bitcoin Bowl game, but then fell back to monthly average levels.


Isn't that just people Googling 'Bitcoin bowl' rather than just Bitcoin. I'm sure some people did some online research as well though. Research doesn't mean use sadly though.
1409  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Romanian Gypsies manipulating crypto? on: January 04, 2015, 11:35:03 PM
I think this thread title deserves a prize or something.
1410  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][GEMS]| SOCIAL MESSAGING APP THAT PAYS |PRE-SALE LIVE NOW| on: January 04, 2015, 11:19:12 PM
I looked briefly at my Counterparty wallet connected to my GEMS wallet and saw there was an offline cold wallet store option in the menu.

Anyone have any experience they can share about this function?
1411  Economy / Speculation / Re: Why Bitcoin is dropping and why you should be buying. on: January 04, 2015, 09:08:17 PM

I think the arguemnt is their are many complicated deriveratives that like like they are 'breaking' so you are seeing unusual counterintuitive signs like the rise of the dollar. The truth is we are in uncharted times, I personally believe almost no one understands deriveratives that's the whole point is they are on purpose exotic and incomprehensible. Many would argue the fincancial system already collapses in 2008 sin e then the FED has just pumped blood into a dead body and zero interests rates is unpresidented. I would argue the reason people can't see all this is because they are given another narrative by the MSM which is patently false.

Yes - the derivative market is an issue, but not an issue that is likely to blow up soon. The derivative is effectively back-stopped by the central banks. I.e. every time a crash warning rumbles, the fed prints over the problem. Not that this system is sustainable, but this is a global issue - not just a US issue. I know people in the industry who said because of the back stop banks see derivatives as a win-win bet, because any explosion in the derivative market is back-stopped by the fed and insured by .... (i forget the name, some government industry).

Note how all the real wealthy, as in the 0.01% make 60-80% of their wealth in financial assets. None of them decreased their holdings this year. That says more than anything else. These are the real shakers of the economy. They will know of an imminent crash before us.


My main problem with most arguments against is everything is rosy so thefore there is no problem. Everything is always fine until it isn't. Do I know the day this is all coming...no. But probably most people won't just like they didn't in all the great market collapses in history.
1412  Economy / Speculation / Re: Why Bitcoin is dropping and why you should be buying. on: January 04, 2015, 08:59:18 PM
The dollar can't die quickly in the classic sense because the dollar isn't just a bunch of paper that people agree has value. It's an enormously complex system of domestic and international trade that would require a century to unravel. Maybe in a century there will be a competing currency to fill the vacuum left after its demise. If that's Bitcoin, great. Of course, it won't matter to me because I'll be dead.



Currencies never collapse over decades they collapse more than often before people can get to their banks. The writing has been already on the wall for decades. I would argue since the FED was set up which actually is exactly 100 years....

Ok, I'll bite. Let's say there is a run on all the banks tomorrow and no one in the world is willing to use the dollar. It finally meets its deserved death. People all across the U.S. refuse to go to work. Production all but ceases to exist. People are starving to death because there's nothing to trade for food. What currency fills the vaccum left in international trade? Bitcoin? How does it come to be implimented. Is it taken over by the U.S. government to fix the problem or is it used by Muslems to destroy the evil satan once and for all?

My point is the dollar has nothing to do with the direction of Bitcoin at this point other than the value of Bitcoin is pegged to the dollar. Recessions and economic crisis are going to happen but that isn't going to help Bitcoin.



Ok then, the Yuan or possibly a basket of gold backed currencies, the issue is people WILL be looking for an alternative if the collapse comes.

I wouldn't look at recessions etc helping Bitcoin. I would say Bitcoin will help you when recessins and economic crisis come. Bitcoin doesn't need help, it rose a bazillion percent, why does anyone think it's having problems?
1413  Economy / Speculation / Re: Why Bitcoin is dropping and why you should be buying. on: January 04, 2015, 08:55:35 PM
I couldn't agree with this more:

The dollar can't die quickly in the classic sense because the dollar isn't just a bunch of paper that people agree has value. It's an enormously complex system of domestic and international trade that would require a century to unravel. Maybe in a century there will be a competing currency to fill the vacuum left after its demise. If that's Bitcoin, great. Of course, it won't matter to me because I'll be dead.

The dollar is not going anywhere any time soon. I would like to know 1: why people think this is going to happen? and 2: why people believe the petrodollar system is failing? . The signs in the market point to the exact opposite.



Well I did give one source to my argument. But just research currency swap agreements over the last year of news especially the Yuan and also the BRICS bank which is clearly hoping to become the new IMF and alternative to the dollar system.

I am aware of all these developments, but why does this mean that the dollars crash is imminent? These kinda of plays will take years to commence.


I think the arguemnt is their are many complicated deriveratives that like like they are 'breaking' so you are seeing unusual counterintuitive signs like the rise of the dollar. The truth is we are in uncharted times, I personally believe almost no one understands deriveratives that's the whole point is they are on purpose exotic and incomprehensible. Many would argue the fincancial system already collapses in 2008 sin e then the FED has just pumped blood into a dead body and zero interests rates is unpresidented. I would argue the reason people can't see all this is because they are given another narrative by the MSM which is patently false.


My point is I'm giving an alternative view to what most are saying, that is my point. Cause 99.9% of people think the dollar rise and Bitcoins drop against it is evidence of strength of the dollar system, I'm saying it could be the opposite. Hearing only one opinion is not being well informed.
1414  Economy / Speculation / Re: Why Bitcoin is dropping and why you should be buying. on: January 04, 2015, 08:49:25 PM
The question is: what are the impacts of a crash of the global finance system on the Bitcoin? Do you think that people would escape their savings in the Bitcoin ("the digital gold")?
If a global crash does occur, I don't think people would like to put in their money into a more volatile digital currency, where they could lost more than 60% of their holdings .
Just Quoting my brother here .

What're some alternatives? And how do they compare to Bitcoin?

I hold gold and silver but Bitcoin's portability make it a lot easier to hide and travel with. Also gold has already been confiscated by .Gov so I see no reason that that couldn't happen again. I guess you have things that you could barter with like liquor, guns/ammo, food items. But these aren't typically seen as a store of value. Typically those who think shit will hit the fan economically want no paper assets, so in my mind math-based assets that can't be forged and are extremely portable make a lot of sense.



I completely agree with you. Gold and silver are the traditional way to hold value and Imwouod never say Bitcoinmos superior to them ever. But Bitcoin has anominity and better transport going for it. A balanced view would be assets, including property, precious metals and digital currencies. And the reality is if it did all go MAD MAX which I'm not convinced it will then you might need guns if mayhem ensues and food stores. In the end you can't eat Gold.
1415  Economy / Speculation / Re: Why Bitcoin is dropping and why you should be buying. on: January 04, 2015, 08:45:37 PM
I couldn't agree with this more:

The dollar can't die quickly in the classic sense because the dollar isn't just a bunch of paper that people agree has value. It's an enormously complex system of domestic and international trade that would require a century to unravel. Maybe in a century there will be a competing currency to fill the vacuum left after its demise. If that's Bitcoin, great. Of course, it won't matter to me because I'll be dead.

The dollar is not going anywhere any time soon. I would like to know 1: why people think this is going to happen? and 2: why people believe the petrodollar system is failing? . The signs in the market point to the exact opposite.



Well I did give one source to my argument. But just research currency swap agreements over the last year of news especially the Yuan and also the BRICS bank which is clearly hoping to become the new IMF and alternative to the dollar system.
1416  Economy / Speculation / Re: Why Bitcoin is dropping and why you should be buying. on: January 04, 2015, 08:42:50 PM
The question is: what are the impacts of a crash of the global finance system on the Bitcoin? Do you think that people would escape their savings in the Bitcoin ("the digital gold")?
If a global crash does occur, I don't think people would like to put in their money into a more volatile digital currency, where they could lost more than 60% of their holdings .
Just Quoting my brother here .


I was talking to a friend about digital currencies today and he said I don't believe in digital currency is just made up out of thin air and said he only wants cold hard cash he can hold in his hands. Then he preceded to pay with his meal with a credit card....
1417  Economy / Speculation / Re: Why Bitcoin is dropping and why you should be buying. on: January 04, 2015, 08:34:11 PM
The dollar can't die quickly in the classic sense because the dollar isn't just a bunch of paper that people agree has value. It's an enormously complex system of domestic and international trade that would require a century to unravel. Maybe in a century there will be a competing currency to fill the vacuum left after its demise. If that's Bitcoin, great. Of course, it won't matter to me because I'll be dead.



Currencies never collapse over decades they collapse more than often before people can get to their banks. The writing has been already on the wall for decades. I would argue since the FED was set up which actually is exactly 100 years....
1418  Economy / Speculation / Re: Why Bitcoin is dropping and why you should be buying. on: January 04, 2015, 08:18:51 PM
This isn't going to be one of those threads where everyone strokes each other until the final climax on page 5 is it? Think deeply about the arguments presented and look at both sides. For example, "the dollar is dying and Bitcoin will rise from the ashes" debate. Is the dollar really dying and is Bitcoin capable of replacing it?

Quote
The dying dollar (economic forecaster, Gary Shilling)

1. Economic Productivity

Among developed nations the U.S. has had the strongest productivity over the last decade. For example, the U.S. averaged 2.2%, Japan 1.6%, U.K. 1.2%, Germany 0.9%, Canada 0.9%, France 0.8%, and Italy flat. When you consider the deflationary trends now at work in emerging markets and other developed nations, Gary believes that U.S. productivity will continue to outperform and help keep the dollar strong.

2. The World’s Largest Economy

The dominant currency is typically found in the world’s largest economy and the U.S. is head-and-shoulders above the rest. As Gary points out, in 2012 U.S. GDP was $15.7 trillion. The second closest, China, was nearly half the size at $8.2 trillion. If you think China is about to overtake the U.S. in terms of size, Gary says “China would have to grow 12% a year for 20 years to catch up…it’s now down at about 7.5% growth and as the Chinese economy shifts away from being driven by exports…away from infrastructure, away from heavy borrowing, and so on, their growth is going to grow even more slowly.”

3. Deep and Broad Financial Markets

Here, Gary writes, “Internationally, money—especially today when it can be transferred anywhere in a split second—wants to be where the action is. That requires not only a powerful and large economy but also deep and broad markets in which to invest. Today, the U.S. Treasury market trumps all others in size and, in the eyes of investors…, in safety as witnessed by the mad rush into Treasury bonds in times of recent global trouble."

Similarly, he states, “American stock market capitalization is four times that of China, Japan or the U.K. and is over three times the Eurozone's…Almost 50% of Treasuries are held by foreigners but only 9.1% of Japan's government net debt is owned by non-Japanese. According to the IMF, 62% of the world's currency reserves are in dollars. The 24% in euros is down from 29% four years ago. Foreigners so love investing in the U.S. that at the end of 2012, it exceeded U.S. investment abroad by $4.4 trillion, up from $4 trillion a year earlier.”

4. Free and Open Financial Markets and Economy

“Investors want to go where it’s free and open; they don’t like China. China periodically freezes their currency. They did that for example during the Great Recession. They had let it float up but then they froze it when they got worried. They’re now letting it float a bit, but they turn it on, they turn it off. Other currencies are much less free to people moving out. They typically manipulate currencies in a lot of places. The Swiss, for example…froze their currency 1.2 to the Euro when everybody wanted to be in the Swiss Franc because they worried that a strong currency would kill their exports to the Eurozone, which is their major trading partner.”

5. Lack of Substitutes

“Things can change over time but one statistic that I think is very important is global forex trading. Now, there’s two sides to this so the numbers add up to 200%, not 100%, because for every sale there’s a buy. But if you look at the trading, in 2001, the U.S. dollar accounted for 90% of all the daily trading in currencies. In 2013, it’s down from 90% to 87%. But if you think of all that’s happened in that time, the euro currency had come in, China has gotten stronger, etc. But it still has only declined 3 percentage points and it’s way ahead of anything else. The second one today is the euro at 33% versus [the USD at] 87%, the yen 23%, sterling 12%—in other words, this is the currency that people transact.”

6. Credibility

“The sixth characteristic is credibility. And that’s the only one where you can say there’s been any questioning of the dollar. And it is true that last year that Standard & Poor’s did downgrade the U.S. from triple AAA to AA+, but that hasn’t really hurt. You might remember that when they did that, Treasuries actually rallied…and it has not changed the willingness of foreigners to put money into dollar denominated assets. So, the credibility issue is the only one that is not absolutely triple-A, but it hasn’t had any decided effects so far.”

Everywhere you see the word dollar above replace it with Bitcoin. Does the article still work? Why is Bitcoin really falling? The only answer I can see to that question that seems real is that market forces (buying and selling) are changing the price of Bitcoin. The daily direction is anyone's guess. The question is, do you think Bitcoin still has a future? I do.


Yeah the dollar really IS dying in terms of the petrodollar and as a form of trade settlement generally, that's a fact with everyday news of a new direct currency swap agreement comes out. I personally think the idea that Bitcoin will replace the domestic dollar/fiat is also too extreme. I'm sure there will be more fiat systems to come, those in charge won't let go of that power easily. But you don't need fiat to completely disappear forever for Bitcoin to shine. The middle ground argument still has Bitcoin on top.


I don't know why anyone cares for the mainstream arguments for the dollar, they come from the same mouths that Bitcoin is rat poison. Of course they want to argue for the dollars dominance. The power of probably the biggest empire the world has ever seen is resting on the dollar being used and it being strong. So why the hell would anyone invested in that system want Bitcoin?
1419  Economy / Speculation / Re: Why Bitcoin is dropping and why you should be buying. on: January 04, 2015, 07:29:12 PM
1100 to 270 cant be seen as "relatively small" by any standard



It absolutely can and is by the standard set by the overal rise. Take any stock in the Dow Jones buy it and see the price rise 30,000% and then see how worried you will be if it drops 300% It's negligible.

I'm sorry of you bought in at the peak of Euphoria stage but don't then make the same mistake to think it won't regain that price and more just as easily.


compared to past drops the chart almost makes it look like a sideways move compared to past drops.

https://afbitcoins.wordpress.com
1420  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: In 2010, Satoshi said he was "venturing into more complex ideas" on: January 04, 2015, 07:21:30 PM
Here are two relevant quotes. If we combine them, I think we can conclude that Satoshi is still out there working on crypto-systems:

June 17, 2010: "The nature of Bitcoin is such that once version 0.1 was released, the core design was set in stone for the rest of its lifetime."

Final post:
Dec. 12, 2010: "There’s more work to do on DoS, but I’m doing a quick build of what I have so far in case it’s needed, before venturing into more complex ideas."

So Satoshi 1) thought bitcoin would become relatively set in its ways and difficult to change (which turned out to be true) and 2) said he was moving into more complex ideas.
 
This makes me believe that Satoshi realized that if he was going to continue making revolutionary technology, he had to leave the bitcoin project. Yet Satoshi was relatively obsessed with cryptocurrency, as we can see from this quote:

June 18, 2010: (I’ve been working on bitcoin’s design) since 2007. At some point I became convinced there was a way to do this without any trust required at all and couldn’t resist to keep thinking about it.


Do you think someone so obsessed with cryptocurrency suddenly left the field altogether? Unlikely. I think those "complex ideas" Satoshi was talking about in 2010 manifested themselves in 2011-2014 blockchain tech projects. In 2010, Satoshi and Gavin and others were talking about BitDNS. Namecoin, the first altcoin, was the result in 2011. Bitmessage, a blockchain based messaging protocol, arose in 2012 (another truly innovative project). "Nicholas van Saberhagen" was working on the Cryptonote protocol in 2012. Now we've got more projects than we can count. I'm willing to bet that Nakamoto contributed to some of them. It's funny to think that Satoshi is probably working on some altcoin/bitcoin 2.0 project right now, but I think it's true.


Qora is Satoshi, I swear I would put a bet on it if we could find out for sure. The guy fits the profile exactly.
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