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3641  Economy / Economics / Re: Tesla overtake Amazon? on: January 08, 2021, 05:24:01 PM
Elon has implied that he's fairly friendly to Bitcoin too which is always a plus. Although, I'm sure he didn't take kindly the recent Twitter compromise.

Actually, this is not surprising, and if we take into account the growth in the number of Tesla electric cars being purchased, even in Central Europe, which I know not by hearsay, where, until recently, electric cars were not in demand at all, then I am not surprised that Tesla is becoming a leader. In addition, global car manufacturers are also trying to keep up with the trend, watching the popularity of Tesla and producing their own electric vehicles. So far, everything that Elon Musk does is successful and brings huge profits.
I'd say its pretty surprising. Amazon provides general consumer goods, which usually are bought regularly, and everyone needs. Tesla, is a company that provides a niche car company. Not everyone owns a car, and not everyone likes the idea of owning an electric car. While I do agree that pretty much everything Elon tries, he succeeds in he's also done it at a mind boggling rate. He's propelled himself forward as one of the richest people in the world in a very short amount of time compared to his competitors.  

I have a better question: who the hell cares?  The list of wealthiest people is going to keep changing with time, and so is the list of companies with the highest market cap.  

And also, I don't think Elon Musk has all of his wealth because of Tesla (someone correct me if I'm wrong).  He's had his hand in a number of different pies throughout the years and had loads of money before the inception of Tesla.  I also don't think Tesla should be worth nearly as much as Amazon or Apple for that matter.  It isn't as though everyone you and I know is driving a Tesla--but the stock market can do weird things to company valuations (especially bull markets like this one we're in).  
Yeah, I believe he was co founder of Paypal, runs SpaceX, and also owns the boring company which is building "3D dimensional roads" by utilizing tunnels. Although, I probably agree with you, like I said I was quite surprised by this fact once I happened upon it. I do prefer Elon to Bezos personally. Mainly due to his success with SpaceX.
3642  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: More Trezor.io phishing sites on: January 08, 2021, 05:19:17 PM
I have tried several times to go in that direction and do reports to the hosting/domain company, but at least from my experience it is often something that takes too long, at least compared to the report on Google Safe Browsing. I'm not sure what's going on with banned domains, but I guess its use should be completely disabled. I found one article on the subject that explains the whole process a little better.
I do get that, usually reporting anything is a thankless task. I can just imagine that domain registars probably appoint a very small team, with limited funding to look into these issues which would explain the long delays. I doubt that they look into it in complete depth either.

I'm not overly familiar with Google Safe Browsing, but I'm assuming that this works very much the same way, except instead of effecting the domain, they simply blacklist in on their search engine. The only issue with that, is not everyone uses the Google search engine. Although, Google is probably massively dominant in general, Bitcoin is a little more specific, and usually means people value privacy a little more. So, I'd like to think that a lot of Bitcoin users, who are susceptible to this kind of attack are using a more privacy oriented search engine.

3643  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: A giveaway website that pays streamers and audience on: January 08, 2021, 05:13:28 PM
The platform is getting via advertisements in their apps is not a bad deal, the problem with their approach is that the ads are insufferable which means that there is no skip and every time the user leaves the app, they need to log in again. Stream sites that are accepting cryptocurrency donations are not that big because most of the time it is frowned upon their community because most sites do not get a cut from crypto donations. I have to disagree with it not being the best idea because I think incent just had a bad execution of their platform but if it was otherwise, it will be praised.
I don't mind advertisements, as long as they aren't the usual drab. A few places actually do advertisements well, but its not common practice. Its usually using the business model of lets make as much money as possible, and we don't care what we advertise, which is something that I can't agree on. Adverts should be handpicked, and relevant to a websites users. No advert that is unrelated should be displayed.

I don't think its frowned upon by the community, rather its frowned upon by those that own the streaming sites since they aren't getting a cut. Although, there's ways to incorporate Bitcoin into the streaming site, and allow a cut very much like you would with traditional currencies.

I personally don't think its a good idea right now. Not in its current climate, because I'm just trying to think of the demographic of Bitcoin. Most of its users prefer privacy, and tend to stay away from revealing their identity. I suppose streaming doesn't always have to reveal your identity though.

That's not suggesting that Bitcoin's demographic wont change down the line though.
3644  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Wired Magazine: Mine BTC in 2013 but... on: January 08, 2021, 05:06:27 PM
You can provably destroy bitcoin. You send them to an address that makes them un-spendable. It's called proof of burn.  
That's true, but what I think Wired meant with "destroyed" is that they simply got rid of the credentials or forgot them. So, in return "destroying" them, but not something that can be verified. Unless, you consider that the coins haven't moved since, verification.

if someone had a copy of the wallet or keys they would never come forward. they would just resign and go enjoy the half a billion dollar that was dropped in their pocket without letting anyone know. how much bonus are they going to get if they revealed it anyways Cheesy
rise isn't stopping here either, it could reach $1 billion soon.
Depends on where their moral compass is at, but also their confidence tackling the legality side of things. I wouldn't know who would be considered the owner, since Wired stated they destroyed or discarded their coins, surely that's giving up ownership? Although, then there's the issue that Wired employs journalists, or writers to write about these sort of things, so they could probably argue that the employee opened a wallet on their behalf, and discarded the coins without permission.

Obviously, this is speculation since none of us know the exact situation of how this happened. I'm sure they are well aware of that situation now.
3645  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin fraud on: January 08, 2021, 05:01:04 PM
As suggested you can actually gather as much information about the website as possible, possibly even doing your own digging to see if you can find out who owns the website. Once, you have gathered enough information, you can present it to your local authorities. This doesn't usually yield any results unfortunately, but if you can gather as much information as possible, and maybe even prove x owns x, then you might have a chance.

Otherwise, your coins are lost, and you'll have to just take it on the chin, and learn from the experience. I usually, recommend during thorough research on a website, before actually using it. This can be done by searching up their name on a search engine, or even asking here. Its quite common for people to come here, and ask about a certain service. Usually, when you have to ask its usually because there isn't much preexisting information on a company, which is a red flag anyway.

Compare to fiat: if you created a bank transfer from your account with bank A to the account of a scammer, would you blame bank A?

I guess the only difference is banks actively try, and prevent this from happening through confirmation calls, which can be an annoyance when you are absolutely sure the company your sending to is legitimate.
3646  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Wired Magazine: Mine BTC in 2013 but... on: January 08, 2021, 02:48:58 PM
Typical tabloid stuff. They make some pretty substantiated claims, and then do the shock horror equivalent by saying they are destroying their coins, trying to imply that its worthless. I imagine the employee that had to delete those articles had a good ol' chuckle.

Is there a way to destroy the private keys? If they did, are we sure there was no one who made a back up of it somewhere and secretly?

Anyway it seems it is true since that happened several years ago. And there was no movement ever since. If this is the case then the amount will indeed go down the drain together with the lost and totally forgotten Bitcoins. That makes Bitcoin more scarce than its 21 million fixed supply.
Destroying usually means just purposely losing it. Although, there probably isn't any way of proving no one didn't keep a backup. I don't you would ever find out, since if someone did make a copy somewhere, that doesn't belong to them. I think it would probably belong to Wired. So, if an employee did, its not their money.

Although, I would like to think that someone would have piped up if they saw the current Bitcoin price, and still has a copy. I imagine Wired would give them a nice bonus that year.
3647  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Lost in my life on: January 08, 2021, 02:42:24 PM
Anything is life comes with effort, and therefore you'll need to put in the work to be able to get to the higher earning bracket. This usually, means several years of building your skills up, until eventually you are able to either work for someone with your skill set, or set out on your own. We all started somewhere, and there's many people here that come from poor backgrounds, and have made a living out of Bitcoin. Remember, you don't always have to do what everyone else is doing. Bitcoin, so happens to have great opportunities for various business ideas, because its still in its infancy, and therefore the plethora of businesses who deal in traditional fiat currencies, are not dominating the industry in Bitcoin.

Everyone should have time to learn, unless you're terminally ill then you can find a way. In fact, life is all about learning from your experiences, and applying that to the future.
3648  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: need some help getting into bitcoin on: January 08, 2021, 10:44:20 AM
I'd encourage you to get off the Blockchain (I'm assuming that's where you are storing your wallet), and look at storing your wallet on a local machine so that you, and only you have access to the private keys, and preferably hasn't touched the internet upon creation.

So, before you even begin to think about investing, you should look at the responsibility that you have for your coins. You cannot rely on a third party such as a bank, and you really shouldn't rely on a exchange or other website wallet. Take responsibility for your coins, learn about the different types of wallets, and make your own judgement on what would suit you the best. For example, Electrum might suit you if you want to quickly access coins without having to download the whole blockchain or perhaps you want additional security via a hardware wallet.

Unfortunately,  there is pros, and cons to each, and every method of storing your coins, but fortunately there's plenty of information out there for you to read up on those.
3649  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Another sad story, 2.6 BTC lost. on: January 08, 2021, 10:35:23 AM
This reminded me of this one story I believe from the United Kingdom, and I actually think it was Wales lost his hard drive by throwing it out, and it was worth 4 million several years ago. Today, it would be worth a lot more. I don't think he ever found the hard drive, and somewhere this hard drive exists, potentially still in a good enough state to rescue. The amount was something like 7500 Bitcoin, which is worth a lot of money these days.

Honestly, I don't know how they could have verified that this guy had that amount, and wasn't just looking for a limelight. However, it must be absolutely sickening looking at the price of Bitcoin today.

You can read about it here: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-south-east-wales-25134289
3650  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Another sad story, 2.6 BTC lost. on: January 07, 2021, 09:48:07 PM
Offline backup is really necessary, it is the best way to recover back backup information, it is also the safest from online attackers, that is why it is just the best. Also, many people like stringent ways to backup informations like seed phrase, private key and passwords, which supposed not to be too stringent. Some will even look for their own means of encryption. Stringent ways of backup can lead to loss of such information.
Depending on the format you choose to store your credentials it could still be considered unsafe. Since, if you store it offline, but digitally there's mechnical failure of the hard drive, or there's a damage risk etc. If you store the credentials on a piece of paper, that piece of paper might get lost, or damaged. No matter what format you choose, there will always be some sort of risk to it.

The best policy is looking to reduce those risks as much as possible, and having several safety ropes if things go south. Of course, this takes additional effort, so you rarely see people taking the extra precautions.

It's easy to make a mistake, but at the same time it is amazing the freedom to send money over the internet without any custodial service or intermediaries
Absolutely, I wouldn't change a thing. The freedom that taking responsibility for your own money gives is fantastic. I tend to avoid third parties as much as possible, of course I do rely on some as I do believe we all do, but Bitcoin has really given a new perspective on life; that we don't always have to listen to these people telling us that we need them for a safety net.
3651  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: A giveaway website that pays streamers and audience on: January 07, 2021, 09:44:40 PM
Well, some streamers still use this and some of their audiences are using it too, I just find this idea good because it helps you support your favorite content creator and at the same time getting some reward for it. Maybe if they used bitcoin as a reward, I think many will flock.
Depends, Bitcoin seems to encourage those that seek privacy to use it. Therefore, a platform awarding Bitcoin, might not be the best idea especially since this platform would have little reason, other than providing Bitcoin compared to the competitors. I do believe, users on the popular streaming sites allow you to accept donations via Bitcoin, so there's already a place that you could accept donations via that. I think I've seen streamers at least put it in their description if not within the stream itself.
3652  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Advice for an up-coming bitcoin/monero userless escrow platform on: January 07, 2021, 09:40:40 PM
The key element for this to be successful is; Why would people use you over those that have been trading for years, and how do you plan on getting enough trust to be considered trustworthy. I'm assuming you are aiming to provide a automated system, which allows for accepting, and rejecting if a trade was successful. The only thing is; This can quickly become a shitstorm. Many sites already provide a escrow, such as escrow.com which isn't exclusive to cryptocurrencies, and can be used for most things. How do you intend on competing with them?

As for your request, we can't really give any meaningful feedback without being told the features of the site, and how it all fits together.
3653  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Another sad story, 2.6 BTC lost. on: January 07, 2021, 09:35:32 PM
I've almost to the point that it becomes tedious to send or receive coins, because I have to triple check everything. I've definitely made mistakes in the past with traditional fiat currencies, and Bitcoin. Unfortunately, with Bitcoin its very easy to misplace a decimal point, since you work with decimal points much more often than traditional currencies.

I've also lost wallets because of complacency. The thing is, we are all human, and therefore we all make the same mistakes. Software tries to prevent that by being as intuitive as possible. Although, because of the nature of Bitcoin, there's no safety net to rely on. Trusting a single point system of failure isn't the best idea. Hence why seeds are generated, and hopefully kept in a safe place, and potentially even duplicated to avoid issues of losing one of them.
3654  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: More Trezor.io phishing sites on: January 07, 2021, 09:30:21 PM
Unfortunately, reporting such fake pages is literally a fight with windmills, because if we knock down one fake page, at least 5 new identical ones will appear. The big blame for this is the hosting companies that do not have any checks that would go in the direction of phishing prevention - of course it is something that would be expensive and time-consuming for them.

But of course a good part of the blame lies with the users themselves, who are dealing with something they don't fully understand - and the whole wisdom is actually in one sentence. "Don’t enter your seed words anywhere except into the device itself" - and anyone who can’t figure it out has definitely strayed into the world of cryptocurrencies.

We can also report phishing to Google, so such sites will be blocked in most browsers : https://safebrowsing.google.com/safebrowsing/report_general/
Although, this is true, and will forever remain true. At least, getting certain domains banned might prevent very similar names from being generated. I'm not sure the normal process of web registars when banning an account. Do they remove the domain, and put it back on the market, or do they completely ban it from everyone? I'd assume the latter. Therefore, reporting very similar, and therefore easier to fall for would be beneficial in the long run, as eventually they will have to use vastly different addresses.
3655  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Increase Your Alertness Everytime on: January 07, 2021, 09:26:39 PM
Pretty much every time Bitcoin gets a lot of exposure, or Bitcoin booms in price there's a influx of new users trying to scam, and earn a quick buck. I expect to see a lot of reputation threads, and debates all over the forum in the next few weeks, if the price remains at around this value.

If Bitcoin has a "correction" or drops back down, I'd expect a ton of people claiming Bitcoin has finally died, and promote their altcoin scams. I think its the general life cycle of the cryptocurrency industry.
3656  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Want some advice. on: January 07, 2021, 09:24:23 PM
Check the Meta section over at: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=24.0

There's plenty of guides over in that section, and links to the rules. Alternatively, you can use the built in search function for anything specific that you want to know about the forum. Otherwise, use a search engine with the parameter "Site:Bitcointalk.org" <search query>.

Honestly, you'll learn a lot as you go along, but navigating the forum, and learning the rules is a good start.

How can I do bitcoin mining?
Checking the mining section. Mining support, if you have any specific requests regarding your hardware, and how to get started. Do note, that mining Bitcoin on GPUS is pretty redundant at this point.
3657  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: [Darts] 2021 PDC World Darts Championship on: January 07, 2021, 12:46:18 PM
I wasn't able to watch the final live, but according the reviews, the win of Price was well deserved. In just 7 years time, he switched from Rugby professional to become world champion darts, quite impressive!

If all goes well, next edition will be again with a crowd shouting, dancing and drinking all day long  Grin.
Yeah, I heard it was a short turn around from his rugby career, well at least sort of short compared to how long some of these dart players have been playing.

I was actually rooting for Anderson to win it again after all of those commentators talked about him that he should quit and so on.
I also find the behaviour of Price pretty annoying most of the time but it seems to get better with that at least. He just celebrates now and leaves the opponent alone.
Price was just playing great today so he really deserved to win it.
I'd have to agree for the most part. I know he's caused some drama when losing before, and its always easier to be humble when you win, its when things don't go your way that people tend to let their character shine. Honestly, I know it brings a bit of drama to the game, but I'm not a big fan of the antics. We were discussing early how nice darts is to watch due to the more relaxing atmosphere, but Price has deviated from that in the past. Hopefully, now that hes a winner, he'll quite those antics in the future.
3658  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: I was not wrong to bought bitcoin. on: January 07, 2021, 12:31:16 PM
Now that you've already profited, you could take it out, and in the future you could take a more cautious route to prevent losing money if you so wish. For example, if you had earned 100 dollars, you could only reinvest 50 dollars, and wait until it comes up. If it never rises, you would have lost 50 dollars, but still profited 50 from the initial return. This isn't the most efficient trading method, but its a way of assuring you've always got a profit. You simply keep reducing the amounts until you are comfortable, and set a hard limit. Of course, that's assuming you want to play safe.
3659  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Operation ElectroRAT Attacker Creates Fake Companies to Drain Your Crypto Wallet on: January 07, 2021, 12:24:51 PM

Yeah, the whole notion before the Unix and Linux flavor OS is safe from this criminals no longer holds, although it used to be an attack to take advantage and mine Monero, perhaps it is gradually shifting.

That's why I try to maintained this thread, Alarming Unix attack is on the rise.
Well it kind of does, depending on how you take that advice. I've never heard any respectable person claim that Linux was impenetrable, but what I have heard, and surveyed is that Linux is used by a small amount of the population with Windows leading the market which means, if you want to infect as many computers as possible, your attention is likely going to set on Windows users. However, that doesn't mean that there aren't malicious code that runs on Linux, its just less common. Probably, severely less common (without looking up statistics). It also depends entirely on how the user is setup, are they operating from a root user etc.

My advice is usually based on how "paranoid" a user is. If you are very security conscious (for a better word) then assume that every device can be compromised, from all sorts of attacks. Buying used computers probably isn't recommended, and even choosing where you buy mining equipment is probably worth it. Assuring browser is secure, by preventing scripts from running, and probably by only visiting websites you know you can 100% trust.

Linux is more difficult to compromise, and there's various distributions which handle it better, and worse. By far, any operating system which uses isolation, or compartmentalization is best. Qubes OS, can isolate software into a container, you can virtually separate your  network from within Qubes OS, and various other things. However, the compatibility of this is the issue, even down to the hardware level.

So, whatever platform you are using, your security practices shouldn't change much.
Absolutely, to the best of your ability avoid changing your mindset just because a system offers better protection. Anti virus, Linux, and various other protection against viruses, can actually we worse for some people due to the fact that they'll drop their guard, and let complacently creep in.

Obviously, no one is perfect, and I believe almost everyone has some sort of security flaw in their regime, since unfortunately if you were to take all the precautions in the world, you would be severely limited on what you could do on a computer.
3660  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Help for mine on: January 07, 2021, 12:16:11 PM
at now i doing mining in some website.i know its a not mining.its share my hadware to that web.anyhow i can earn oneday 4$.i want to know can i earn money for anyother good site or using some of software?
You can calculate how much you'll earn a day "solo" mining with your graphic cards via a difficulty calculator. (Search up "Bitcoin mining difficulty calculator on your preferred search engine). It won't be much, if anything at all. If you want to get into mining, I would suggest a dedicated mining device, specifically made for mining. Since, you'll be degrading your valuable GPUs at a much faster rate than with a dedicated mining device, since they factor in the load that mining requires, whereas gpus don't usually do so.

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