Dude.. it is not a good idea to open the topics like that, because the dudes that were running Silk Road were sentenced to life imprisonment . Besides that, Free Speech has nothing to do with fucking market place where dudes like you are selling drugs, weapons and child porn.
You realize once you are an adult your brain doesn't grow anymore. I've written about Bitcointalk history, Mt.Gox, Hacks and Scams. It doesn't implicate me in any of it. John Grisham writes about crime. It doesn't make him a criminal or implicated in crime in any way. Free speech is about not censoring. The hardest part about not censoring is not censoring the opinions you disagree with. Obviously you don't actually read any posts that you link to - because the statement was clearly talking about Bitcointalk not censoring - not silk road. Free speech doesn't mean free of consequences. If you say something - especially lies - there can be consequences. Tagging me ? You are not even a DT2 member and your fucking tag will appear in untrusted feedback. Besides I don't give a shit about tagging. BTW read my tag about you.
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 распиздеться Initially I wasn't gonna bother tagging you but obviously you are trying for a record on the negative trust system. I've never even used illegal drugs, sold them or visited silk road. I didn't even own crypto when silk road existed. Just keep telling lies and digging your hole deeper. Any doubt that you are a SCAMMER has been removed. |
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What is considered a "scam" is sometimes subjective. Some scams are clear cut while others are a matter of opinion.
A self moderated thread in itself is already a warning that it is a possible scam - that dissenting speech is being silenced. You can make your own thread - just not comment in theirs.
It is for DT members (and others) to determine who they trust and state their reason. Negative trust can mean anything from a disagreement of opinion to someone scamming or stealing crypto. There are far more potential scammers that haven't yet been caught or rated.
Every system generally is flawed but the current system works reasonably well.
A fool and their money or bitcoin are easily separated so self education is essential.
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Thank you for alerting me to your thread. You may want to change the link to the first advertising https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=46025.0 (Yours is showing the second auction) Looking at Teppy's posts I found this one interesting too https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=142.0apperantly the mysql problem got fixed
It appears this exchange wasn't operational for some time. Maybe some of the legends on here that were around for it can shed some light on it. |
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Back when SR was open, talking about Silk Road was somewhat taboo, I have read that people were banned for talking about it (this likely included the posting of links to SR).
Bitcoin was largely still in its infancy when SR1 was running and except for the last few months before shutting down, law enforcement had no idea who was running it. I believe I have read that theymos at one point was suspected as being behind SR, which logically would have contributed to SR being taboo.
Yes- I noticed that when doing the research. There were a few post and threads that "disappeared".  |
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Wow! Is this really for real? It's shocking to know that silkroad was advertised here in the forum. But I'm just wondering how this kind of stuff is allowed here despite of its bad influence and this thread is still open until now. They sell illegal drugs, take note, illegal and IMO it's not healthy for the forum. I foresee that selling of such stuffs are yet to come and it's very alarming, I hope that mods will take action regarding this. You didn't check the post before writing such a comment here. Here is a quote from theymos in that post- This topic was briefly removed due to the "illegal trading" policy, but I decided that since you're not actually selling drugs in this thread, it's OK. (Maybe some other moderator/admin will disagree with my later decision, though.) Sorry about that. Agree with that. He was not selling anything here.  Thanks for pointing that out. It confirms my opinion as to why it wasn't removed and I've added it to the thread. I agree with theymos. Tolerated with some reluctance. On the basis of free speech. |
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Wow! Is this really for real? It's shocking to know that silkroad was advertised here in the forum. But I'm just wondering how this kind of stuff is allowed here despite of its bad influence and this thread is still open until now. They sell illegal drugs, take note, illegal and IMO it's not healthy for the forum. I foresee that selling of such stuffs are yet to come and it's very alarming, I hope that mods will take action regarding this. It is very hard to "police" something like this. There is also a certain amount of "free speech" involved. Bitcointalk evolved from the cypherpunk movement so there is a reluctance to censor too much. Silk road advertising on bitcointalk was limited to stating "Silk Road is an anonymous online market." It didn't detail any illegal activities. Considering that Silk road at that stage was just starting as an experiment it also wasn't doing anything illegal ...yet. I've been a moderator on a forum that got bombarded with 10000+ scam and spam messages a day. It is easy to overlook one or mistake it for a genuine post. As someone from a reasonably sheltered background I find it extremely interesting to read about - while I would not partake in the drug culture myself. I think it is a brave stance not to censor too much. |
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This is a work in progress. Comments, additions and corrections welcome. June 09, 2010, [POST] A Heroin Store (Thread subject of a subpoena)https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=175.0https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=175.msg3900#msg3900 (anonymous guest post)  February 2011 Silk Road is launched. March 1, 2011 User “silkroad” advertises Silk Road on bitcointalk.org.https://bitcointalk.org/?topic=3984.0   June 2011 Chicago Homeland Security Investigations (HSI) agent Jared Der-Yeghiayan starts investigating Silk Road.June 5, 2011 Senator Chuck Schumer calls for “crackdown” on Silk Road and use of Bitcoin.June 08, 2011, Silk Road Account for sale!https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=13709.0 June 09, 2011 Bitcointalk user Silkroad posts: The site went mainstream way faster than we were hoping and we weren't prepared for the traffic. Everyone on the site knows what a pain it is getting 502 errors all the time. So, we are working on setting up an even more secure server that can handle all the traffic as well. Once we get that set up, and make some more improvements here and there, we'll be opening back up, whether by invite, open registration, or whatever. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3984.msg189007#msg189007November 11, 2011 Ross Ulbricht tells Richard Bates he handed Silk Road off to a successor.February 6, 2012 Silk Road admin announces his name as Dread Pirate Roberts (DPR).July 6, 2012 Der-Yeghiayan identifies MtGox CEO Mark Karpeles as the person behind Silk Road and MtGox associate Ashley Barr as DPR’s voice. He also suspected blogger Anand Athavale.
Karpeles becomes a law enforcement target.August 3, 2012 Der-Yeghiayan tells Baltimore HSI agent Michael McFarland not to contact Karpeles or tell anyone he’s a target.October 2012 Der-Yeghiayan discovers McFarland informed the Baltimore task force, including known corrupt federal agents Carl Mark Force and Shaun Bridges, about Karpeles, and they’ve been “actively working” him and keeping him under surveillance.December 11, 2012, Silk Road seller acc now cost ~ 500$https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=130234.0January 17, 2013 Force and Secret Service / NSA agent Shaun Bridges arrest Curtis Green, a senior Silk Road admin.January 25, 2013 Force and Bridges hijack Green’s admin account, use it to steal from top Silk Road vendors, and blame it on Green. According to Force, he and Bridges fake Green’s death in sting operation.March 3, 2013, JonSnow from bitcointalk.org, did a payment of 0.045 BTC to another user from bitcointalk.org. JonSnow address, 13XZMGjAXhh9n5wPkh8LrPiGdhd18rM2vD is part of wallet [05725b9fef]. Same wallet, different user, c0dex this time, received some funds at the BTC address 16EdwPraZ3akWJfHZPHFGxENydPEBZmycn, from what seems to be a payment from a BTC Casino/Games affiliation program . The payment was as well made to an address belonging to wallet [05725b9fef]. From this wallet some transactions were made to Silk Road. March 2013 National Security Agency (NSA) works “urgently” to “track down” bitcoin users, according to classified documents provided by Edward Snowden.May 10, 2013 Bridges goes “rogue” with the help of AUSA Richard Kay and seizes $2 million from Karpeles. He alledgedly did this intentionaly to tip Karpeles off that “the US government had him on its radar.”May 14, 2013, Mt. Gox Dwolla account frozen by DHSOn 15 May 2013 the US Department of Homeland Security seized money from Mt. Gox's U.S. subsidiary's account with payment processor Dwolla asserting that the subsidiary was not licensed by the US Financial Crimes Enforcement Network (FinCEN), was operating as an unregistered money transmitter in the US.
During the negotiations Karpeles’s attorneys allegedly brought up Silk Road . They said that Mark Karpeles was willing to give up Silk Road operator “Dread Pirate Roberts” if he “could get a walk on his charges.”[/b] June 29, 2013, Mt. Gox received its money services business (MSB) license from FinCENhttps://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=205396.0https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=205542.0June 2013 FBI special agent Christopher Tarbell “obtains” Silk Road server IP address. 193.107.84.4July 2013, Deryeghiayan took over the account of "Cirrus," a moderator on Silk Road's user forums (who had earlier gone by the name "scout") responsible for customer support and cleaning up spam and inappropriate comments in the forum.July 11, 2013
AUSA Richard Kay meets with Karpeles’ attorneys who offer him the identity of DPR in exchange for Karpeles’s immunity from prosecution over another matter.July 26, 2013
Someone from Baltimore office sells inside law enforcement info to DPR as “notwonderful”.August 14, 2013
DPR reveals he inherited Silk Road from its original creator.August 15, 2013 to [unknown] Someone with access to the evidence gathered by the government destroys several copies of conversation between “notwonderful” and DPR.August 15, 2013 Der-Yeghiayan swears under oath that Karpeles is DPR and submits a sealed search warrant for his email accounts.September 20, 2013 Using Ross’s email address “found“ by IRS agent Gary Alford on Karpeles’s forum (bitcointalk.org) and using pen register / trap and trace devices (pen traps), AUSA Serrin Turner gathers Ross’s internet traffic information without a warrant and tracks him down.October 2, 2013 Ross arrested in San Francisco and put in solitary confinement.FBI Seize Deep Web Marketplace Silk Road
Silk Road marketplace taken offline.
District of Maryland issues indictment, including attempted murder charges based on evidence of corrupt DEA agent Force (imprisoned in March 2015). https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=306338.0https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=310600.0 October 02, 2013, Bitcointalk hacked by "The Hole seekers". Off-line till October 07, 2013 .
Some users blame the NSA and see it related to the Silkroad closure.https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=306723.0;prev_next=nexthttps://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=306724.0Theymos identifies it as a backdoor from the 2011 hack. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=306878.0October 14, 2013 Silk Road: Trail of 11,329.89BTC https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=310600.0November 5, 2013 Ross arrives in Southern District of New York to face charges.November 6, 2013, administrators from the closed Silk Road relaunched the site, led by a new pseudonymous Dread Pirate Roberts, and dubbed it "Silk Road 2.0".November 18, 2013 DPR logs into his Silk Road forum account for the last time, over six weeks after Ross was arrested.November 20, 2013 Ross released from solitary confinement into general prison population.November 21, 2013 Ross denied bail.November 22, 2013 Silk Road forum taken down. November 27, 2013 Report Linking Bitcoin And Silk Road RETRACTED!After suggesting earlier this week that a link existed between the creators of Silk Road and Bitcoin, two Israeli computer researchers have retracted their report.https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=349220.0December 20, 2013 Peter Phillip Nash – Samesamebutdifferent arrested in Australia
Andrew Jones, Silk Road’s second-in-command “Inigo” was arrested in Virginia, USA.
Gary Davis, accused of being administrator “Libertas” was picked up in Ireland.February 13, 2014, DPR2 (Defcon) announced that Silk Road 2.0's escrow accounts had been compromised through a vulnerability https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=463896.0February 4, 2014 Ross indicted on four counts. Indictment does not include murder-for-hire charges. March 29, 2014 Joshua Dratel, Ross’s attorney, challenges the indictment as unconstitutional and unfair.June 2014 Peter Nash transferred to the Metropolitan Correctional Centre in New York . July 9, 2014 District Court Judge Katherine Forrest denies challenge to indictment.June 27, 2014, Silk Road Bitcoin Auction Opened by US Marshals Servicehttps://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=670299.0August 1, 2014 Dratel calls for evidentiary hearing to investigate how FBI Agent Christopher Tarbell found Silk Road server.August 2014 Ross finally given complete access to discovery totaling approximately four terabytes (equivalent to 2.5 billion typed, single-spaced pages).September 5, 2014 Bharara files memo opposing pre-trial motions that suggest the NSA was involved in the Silk Road investigation, accusing the defense of conjuring up a “bogeyman – the NSA.”Tarbell testifies under oath how he found the Silk Road server to much skepticism.
“Many of us believe it wasn’t the FBI who discovered the hidden Silk Road server, but the NSA (or other intelligence organization). We believe the FBI is using “parallel construction,” meaning creating a plausible story of how they found the server to satisfy the courts, but a story that isn’t true” – Robert Graham, well-known cybersecurity expertOctober 10, 2014 Judge Forrest denies evidentiary hearing.
Judge Forrest dismisses Ross’s motions to suppress evidence .October 27, 2014 New York Senator Schumer publicly congratulates the Department of Justice for arresting the “Silk Road operator” before the New York trial had even begun.October – December 2014 Court-ordered access to laptop and discovery evidence is repeatedly blocked by prison.November 6, 2014 FBI announced that it arrested Blake Benthall, aka "Defcon," the alleged owner and operator of Silk Road 2.0. November 09, 2014, Silk Road 2.0 Shutdown https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=852589.0December 03, 2014, Theymos receives first DPR subpoena regarding Ulbricht user: altoid(Silk Road) and the heroin store topic.https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=881488.0https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=printpage;topic=175.0http://qntra.net/2014/12/justice-departments-subpoena-to-theymos-of-bitcointalk/  November 2014, Following the closure of Silk Road 2.0 in November 2014, Diabolus Market renamed itself to 'Silk Road 3.0 Reloaded' in order to capitalise on the brand.December 12, 2014 Defense is deprived of the witness list.December 15, 2014 Investigation into Force sealed . Judge Forrest precludes evidence of corrupt agent activity from trial.
Judge Forrest denies defense request that trial be postponed so jury can be informed of the corruption.January 1, 2015 More than 5,000 pages of relevant material about Der-Yeghiayan’s investigation dumped on Ross and his defense less than two weeks before trial.January 2015 Ross moved to Metropolitan Correctional Center, Manhattan, New York.January 13, 2015 Ross’s trial begins, presided over by Judge Forrest (recommended for the bench by Sen. Chuck Schumer in 2011).January 20, 2015 Der-Yeghiayan’s testimony about Karpeles stricken from record . DPR interview suppressed.February 2, 2015 Expert defense witnesses Andreas Antonopolous and Stephen Bellovin not allowed to testify.February 3, 2015 Evidence proving existence of multiple DPRs as well as Ross’s ignorance regarding laptop contents suppressed.
Conversation between notwonderful and DPR suppressed.Chat logs, forum posts, private messages, e-mails, accounting spreadsheets, and even a diary all point to Ross Ulbricht as being the Silkroad founder.The journal was divided up into multiple files, neatly organized in different directories by year. Later iterations of the journal were organized by quarter, by month, and by week. The 2010 journal—before Silk Road was launched—came in the form of a long, literary rumination. By 2013, the journal had broken down into short, terse, daily logs of activity on Silk Road.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/sarahjeong/2015/01/22/the-dread-pirates-diary/#6ec000d542cfFebruary 4, 2015 Ross is found guilty on all counts.March 31, 2015 Corruption of Silk Road investigation revealed.
“The complete scope of what former SA’s Force and Bridges were able to accomplish with the illicit access they gained to the Silk Road website, and its impact on this case, has yet to be determined.” – Joshua Dratel, lead trial attorney
April 16, 2015 Dratel files motion for new trial (and this one too) based on the fact that AUSA Turner hid corrupt agent Bridges from the defense and the judge.April 27, 2015 Judge Forrest denies motion for new trial.May 26, 2015 Ross writes sentencing letter addressed to Judge Forrest pleading to leave him his old age.“Silk Road was supposed to be about giving people the freedom to make their own choices, to pursue their own happiness, however they individually saw fit.” – Ross in sentencing letter to Judge ForrestMay 29, 2015 Sentencing. Double life plus 40 years, without the possibility of parole, on five non-violent charges.https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1074337.0June 9, 2015 Government issues a grand jury subpoena/gag order to Reason.com to turn over identities of people who commented on Ross’s sentence.June 18, 2015, Ex-U.S. federal Agents Charged With Bitcoin Theft to Plead Guiltyhttps://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1093358https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/former-federal-agents-charged-bitcoin-money-laundering-and-wire-fraudJanuary 14, 2016 Appeal submitted to Second Circuit.Jan 28, 2016 Bridges arrested again trying to flee the country to avoid jail sentence.February 20, 2016 Edward Snowden publicly states that we should assume that the NSA was involved in gathering evidence in Ross’s case.March 15, 2016 Appeal brief joined by six amici: National Association. of Criminal Defense Lawyers
Electronic Frontier Foundation
Edward Snowden: NSA was involved in Silk Road investigation
Drug Policy Alliance — Law Enforcement Against Prohibition — JustLeadershipUSA — Former Federal Judge Nancy GertnerMay 15, 2016 SILK ROAD 3.0 – Back Online and Open For Businesshttps://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1473248.0 November 29, 2016 Tampering of evidence announced.“That my son — or anyone — would receive a life sentence based on such vulnerable evidence, especially when there is proof of corruption and tampering, is a travesty of justice.” – Lyn UlbrichtDecember 1, 2016 Log-in by Dread Pirate Roberts after Ross arrested announced.December 02, 2016, Free Ross-A-Thon Livestream for Silk Road Appeal Casehttps://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1700974.0 May 28, 2017 [SOLD] SILK ROAD .999 SILVER BITCOIN WALLEThttps://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1936765.0 May 29, 2017 Appeal denied.July 14, 2017 Ross moved to USP Florence, CO, a maximum security penitentiary.July 31, 2017 Petition to Second Circuit to re-hear appeal filed.First Amendment violations at sentencing
Unconstitutional warrants
Warrantless surveillanceAugust 15, 2017,Secret Service agent, corrupted by Silk Road case, admits to second heisthttps://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2092664.0August 29, 2017 Petition to re-hear denied by Second Circuit without comment. November 04, 2017, [WTS] 1 BTC - Silk Road memorabilia! "Carl Mark Force IV" business card for sale !https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2358801.0 November 08, 2017, Ex-agent in Silk Road probe gets more prison time for bitcoin theft.The initial theft was valued at $359,005 in 2015 but have been re-valued at $11.3 million in 2017.https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2374117.0December 22, 2017 Defense led by Kannon Shanmugam files petition for Writ of Certiorari asking Supreme Court to review the decision of the lower courts.February 5, 2018 Petition for writ joined by the following amici (21 organizations):American Black Cross
Drug Policy Alliance — Law Enforcement Action Partnership
United States Supreme Court Building
Downsize DC Foundation — Conservative Legal Defense and Education Fund — Gun Owners Foundation — Gun Owners of America — Restoring Liberty Action Committee
National Lawyers Guild — American Conservative Union Foundation Center for Criminal Justice Reform — FreedomWorks — Human Rights Defense Center — Judge Nancy Gertner — National Coalition to Protect Civil Freedoms — Partnership for Civil Justice Fund — People’s Law Office
Reason Foundation — Cato Institute — Competitive Enterprise Institute — R Street InstituteFebruary 5, 2018 Judge Forrest denies unopposed motion to extend deadline to submit newly-discovered evidence.
Judge Forrest denies motion for her to recuse herself.March 7, 2018 Defense Attorney Paul Grant files petition for Writ Of Mandamus to the Second Circuit Court of Appeals.March 20, 2018 Defense led by Kannon Shanmugam files reply to government in support of Supreme Court cert petition. Silkroad personalities:Silkroad Founder: DPR: Silkroad 1 = Ross Ulbricht Silkroad 2 = SilkRoad 1 user StExo and / or SilkRoad 1 user Defcon = Blake Benthall Silkroad 3 = ? Dread Pirate Roberts 2 once made the fatal mistake early on during Silk Road 2 of signing a message with St.Exo’s PGP key.. DPR2 quickly realized his mistake and edited his post. Ross Ulbricht used a real photograph of himself for a fake ID to rent servers. He stated in his linkedin profile: that he was ‘creating an economic simulation’ designed to ‘give people a first-hand experience of what it would be like to live in a world without the systemic use of force’ by ‘institutions and governments’. In March 2012, a user registered on the coding Q&A site Stack Overflow with Ulbricht’s email address and the username 'Ross Ulbricht'. He then proceeded to post the question “How can I connect to a Tor hidden service using curl in php?” He sought contacts in courier firms, presumably to work out how to best ship things from his international multimillion dollar drugs marketplace, on Google+, where his real name, real face and real YouTube profile were visible - Altoid mentions Silk Road: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=175.msg42670#msg42670 (deleted the original message but his quote is still there) - Altoid identifies as Ross Ulbricht: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=47811.msg568744#msg5. The real IP of the silk road server was emitted via a lighthttpd config error https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2015/01/the-incredibly-simple-story-of-how-the-govt-googled-ross-ulbricht/ Defcon (Blake Benthall) he registered the silk road 2.0 servers with the email address blake@benthall.nethttps://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2014/11/fbi-arrests-blake-defcon-benthall-alleged-operator-of-silk-road-2-0/ Mentor: Variety Jones (allegedly - Roger Thomas Clark) (Alt: Cimon, Plural of Mongoose) Who is "Variety Jones"?Moderators: Andrew Michael Jones - Inigo - USA Gary Davis – Libertas - Ireland Peter Phillip Nash - Samesamebutdifferent (Chief moderator) - Australia (Alts = Batman73, Symmetry, and Anonymousaashit) Site admin chronicpain (Alt:Flush) , the target of an alleged murder-for-hire plot, was identified in 2013 as Curtis Clark Green. https://www.forbes.com/sites/ryanmac/2013/11/08/meet-the-silk-road-employee-that-the-dread-pirate-roberts-allegedly-tried-to-murder/#427ad601412cBrian Richard Farrell = Silk Road 2.0. administrator called “DoctorClu”. http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/hand-man-silk-road-2-0-creator-arrested-feds-article-1.2086750Mike Wattier = Smed, or Smedley (Alt:Charger) Steven Lloyd Sadler & Jenna White = Nod (USA) (Alt: PaythePiper (bought from another user), Poundsign) Peter Ward, = PlutoPete (UK) Cei William Owens = Johnny Alpha (UK) But, although DPR was technically the head of Silk Road, chat logs found in the accessed email account show that Variety Jones and Smed were a real driving force behind the projects and Silk Road more generally. The pair discussed ideas and plans with each other, rather than simply reporting to DPR. Smed, using his alternate handle, spoke with Variety Jones about developments to the site, such as adding bulk transactions and updates to the forums. When it came to those discussions, it was as if Variety Jones was Smed's boss, not DPR. "What timeframe do you envision?" Smed asked Variety Jones of one project. Variety Jones also appears to have funded large parts of Smed's work and expenses. "10k, 36k, 20k, that rounds up nicely to 90, and we'll cover all of your travel expenses for the trip, how does that sound," Variety Jones writes to Smed. Arrests page Main source: https://freeross.org/case-timeline/ A large part of the timeline was obtained from this site and only slightly modified. Other sources: https://antilop.cc/sr/https://allthingsvice.com/2015/05/27/silk-road-from-the-inside-moderator-ssbd-tells-his-story/https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=310600.0https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3984.0https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4322078.0https://www.wired.com/2015/12/variety-jones-alleged-silk-road-mentor-arrested-in-thailand/https://www.dailydot.com/layer8/silk-road-3-blake-benthall/https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/pgajmv/these-are-the-two-forgotten-architects-of-the-silk-roadThis is a work in progress. Comments, additions and corrections welcome. |
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A disproportionate number of VIPs ran a business on the forum -- they likely donated the 50 BTC as a way of giving back to the community -- and many businesses failed for one reason or another, and failed businesses often have similar characteristics of a scam.
I agree. A failed business is not a "scam". But people who lose money or assets don't see it that way. I agree that most of the VIPs took risks and ran businesses and most of them with a large degree of success. The barriers to entry into most "industries" were very low back then, a lot of community members were more trusting with their coins than they probably should have been, and it took longer than normal for things like poor management and poor security practices to be exposed.
Hindsight is great for detecting security lapses. Management of chaos is difficult. Startups and pioneering technology has unknown risks that become obvious with hindsight. I suspect that some of the VIPs who have only one or two posts likely were involved in some kind of shady dealings and have subsequently deleted their posts to cover their tracks....this may have been the result of outright scams, or it may have been the result of poor management and/or deals that went poorly.
I suspect the ones that only made a couple of posts are alts of other accounts or left the scene after an exchange collapsed. As far as I know, it's only proved that pirateat40 was criminal, but he was caught, and did 18 months in prison, so he probably does not have a millions, although maybe he could get rich after that, because to run such a scheme as he did you need to be at least an intelligent guy.
And as for the rest, Mt. Gox, and TradeFortress has not been proven to be scammers, but they are of course to blame that many people have suffered and lost a lot of money.
Karpeles has a previous French conviction " https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/1227216-karpeles-english.html" Karpeles has spent time in prison and is currently still facing charges for unauthorized loans and charged with fraud and embezzlement, and manipulating the Mt. Gox computer system (willy bot) to increase the balance in an account (not related to the missing 650000 bitcoins). MtGox historyBut the case has not yet been tried so not yet proven. Despite of the massive catastrophic disaster when MtGox collapsed - MtGox was also responsible for some of the success of bitcoin and Karpeles did many good things. The willy bot - if proven would have been responsible for artificially inflating the price of bitcoin. I suspect they figured that VIP membership would make them appear more legitimate, so as to lure in more victims. That's actually why I never bought VIP membership: I don't want any guilt by association.  Other than perhaps the exception of a few - I'd disagree. I don't think there was much of an ulterior motive. 50 BTC was about US$250 at the time. |
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I read a quite hilarious article on the possbility of Satoshi being an Artificial Intellgience robot. apparently bitcoin was careated by this robot so it could eventually take over the entire world  You might be referring to this one ? https://www.express.co.uk/news/weird/907478/bitcoin-created-by-ai-robots-btc-cryptocurrency-artificial-intelligenceThis post is month late from birthday celebration last april 5 lol
But you have lots of intelligence work here to get this details,though not so truthful but theres some fact that this have some link and that samsung ,toshiba,nakamichi and motorola sounds interesting,ill go deep about some of your points here,google will be used again for this 😂
I don't have strong opinions about it - I really would like to reflect as many opinions and viewpoints as possible so readers can make their own conclusions. The post is far from finished - I've got a lot of cleaning up and adding more links - to do on it. I think if Satoshi wanted to be found he / she would have made it obvious or make it obvious in the future. Any good links and discussions will be linked to in the original post. |
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Most of the donators are busy now in making more bitcoins into their savings and many of the accounts were hacked in 2015 so some of them was donators accounts too. Can I know why you are searching the donators?  I was researching The most iconic bitcointalk threads. History on Bitcointalk. . Several offshoot topics evolved. The donator page is one of those offshoots. Bitcointalk history of hacks and vandalism.Bitcointalk history of MtGox and how a Bitcointalk post caught the MtGox hacker.Who is Satoshi Nakamoto ? Suspects, frauds and conspiracies.The Cypherpunks and Bitcoin. The years before bitcointalk.index to the best posts on bitcointalkThe Bitcointalk 50 BTC VIP club. Where are they now ?The Bitcointalk 10 BTC Donators - where are they now ?I'm interested in the history and how bitcointalk has changed over time. Also in the personalities that are involved in Bitcointalk. Without the founders, staff who run the site and the people who donated - there would be no bitcointalk. Also I found this: (of which this is an update) Let me know who else to red-glow out. Source: https://bitcointalk.org/donate.htmlList of VIP Donators (50 BTC)smart1985 Last Active: September 25, 2012, 04:17:21 AMCanaca Last Active: April 25, 2012, 03:33:40 PMcasascius mndrix Als Pawnshop Last Active: September 04, 2012, 09:41:53 PMbtcx Brian DeLoach zhoutong (just gone, for this is not necessarily a scammer list) Last Active: August 14, 2012, 05:34:51 AMMetabank.ru BTC_Bear Last Active: August 10, 2012, 02:09:30 AMpirateat40 Last Active: January 17, 2013, 12:40:18 PMznort987 jorgen Graet gigavps cryptoxchangeBitAvenueBTCBtc4Domains mrbrown Last Active: December 26, 2012, 01:44:36 PM01BTC10 imsaguy cablepairBitcoinBaltar usagi BCB eb3full MemoryDealers augustocroppo buzzdave Dustin D. Trammell a.k.a. I)ruid dustintrammell XMLGold bitconexfoier johnascii Hexadecibel List of Donators (10 BTC)Narydu Blitzboom Blitz qwk shakaru Last Active: July 05, 2012, 08:57:17 PMLord Fog Lord F(r)og FNIB Last Active: November 27, 2011, 04:42:17 PMTransisto Gyom molecular ribuck edd eldentyrell chunglam DeepBit PMX-67-de DeathAndTaxes copumpkin Last Active: July 25, 2012, 11:20:13 AMMatthew N. WrightJonathan Ryan Owens cbeast reeses coretechs mcorlett bo2573 PatrickHarnettMeni Rosenfeld BossBadBitcoin Seal organofcorti lonelyminer jarsumarsu bitsforcoins aurumxchange CAcoins gnar1ta$ bccasino BitcoinExchange Last Active: April 13, 2012, 12:41:48 PMBrightAnarchist AndyG Kluge lightlord OgNasty wogaut TheBitLLC deego coblee tgmarks zefir Raize PsychoticBoy AniceInovation packet7 tseale Blaztoize ciuciu minimalB bitfoo iSellBitcoins cytokine Jake Fordy nave datafish coinrolls2 vescudero miaviator ShadowAlexey DeaDTerra vasgolova friedcat Otoh ianspain Soros Shorts bg002h ElitePork RustyRyandeeplink zebedee physicist gllen Jutarul ShadesOfMarble muyuu Kris c_k lukasbradley Alwaysmining Arto ztex BlackLilac torac glassuser buybitcoinbycreditcard betbybitcoin |
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Some of them have renamed - some were very hard to find.
This is a work in progress - there will be regular edits.
The Bitcointalk 50 BTC VIP club. Where are they now ? Complete list.
Donor list
Narydu https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=21434 Active
Blitzboom - Nekrobios - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=4475 Active
qwk https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=24140 Active
shakaru https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=16160 (scammer lost title) Active
Lord Fog- Lord F(r)og - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=22471 2016
FNIB - dvaic - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=13665 2015
Transisto - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=4532 Active
Gyom - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=41502 2014
molecular - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=3771 Active Played this game: 14 BTC challenge you to find the real me - joe23
ribuck - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=392 2015
edd - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=9378 Active
eldentyrell - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=42407 2017
chunglam - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=38991 Active
DeepBit https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=43544 2014
PMX-67-de https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=25274 2013
DeathAndTaxes https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=41048 (bitsimple.com failed) 2015
copumpkin https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=40837 2012
Matthew N. Wright https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=24749 (banned? - untrustworthy tag ? ) 2014 (see clarification below)
Jonathan Ryan Owens https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=22299 2013
cbeast https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=14321 Active
reeses - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=9963 2014
coretechs - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=20838 2016
mcorlett https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=48076 2014
bo2573 – smracer - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=48727 Active
PatrickHarnett https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=26841 (scam tag & lost title) 2012
Meni Rosenfeld https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=5776 Active
Boss – Jon - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=51281 2012
BadBitcoin https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=52366 (bought / hacked account) Active
Seal https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=49269 2017
organofcorti https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=14118 Active
lonelyminer https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=27600 Active
jarsumarsu https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=51211 2017
bitsforcoins https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=49030 2013
aurumxchange – aggro https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=4741 2014
CA coins https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=40143 2017
gnar1ta$ https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=30967 Active
bccasino https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=46125 2016
BitcoinExchange - Vasco https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=9730 (defaults on loan) 2016 Account was seized by Gunthar for loan default.
BrightAnarchist https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=694 2015
AndyG https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=10866 2013
Kluge https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=11671 Active
lightlord https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=30541 Active
OgNasty https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=18321 Active
wogaut https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=52504 2014
TheBitLLC - Mendacium - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=53889 Active
deego https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=16540 2017
coblee https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=20651 Active
tgmarks https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=48283 2016
zefir https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=23248 Active
Raize https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=4171 Active
PsychoticBoy https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=54752 Active
AniceInovation https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=35848 Active
packet7 – arby - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=55464 2015
tseale https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=58008 2014
Blaztoize https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=56444 2017
ciuciu https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1438 (scam accusation) 2013
minimalB https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=48856 Active
bitfoo https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=20191 Active
iSellBitcoins – David_Benz - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=57255 Active
cytokine - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=57882 2013
Jake https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=34472 2017
Fordy https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=50138 2017
nave https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=51413 Active
datafish https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=12164 Active
coinrolls2 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=60228 2013
vescudero https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=58268 2017
miaviator https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=57116 Active
ShadowAlexey https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=44590 Active
DeaDTerra https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=40976 2017
vasgolova https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=59834 2017
friedcat https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=49840 (scam accusation) 2015
Otoh https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=20300 Active
ianspain https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=36021 2015
Soros Shorts https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=15575 Active
bg002h https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=413 Active
ElitePork https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=62207 Active
RustyRyan https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=60038 (Scam tag & removed title) 2013
deeplink https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=59549 (no title) Active
zebedee https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=29784 Active
physicist https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=63892 2017
gllen https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=62755 2013
Jutarul https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=44764 Active
ShadesOfMarble https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=32691 Active
muyuu https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=50688 2017
Kris https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=11921 (Hacked & tried ot impersonate theymos) 2015
c_k https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=21042 Active
lukasbradley https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=67716 2014
Alwaysmining https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=61033 (Scam tag and removed title) 2017
Arto https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=67433 2014
ztex https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=39848 2013
BlackLilac JordanL https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=70557 (sold asics & coins & didn’t deliver) 2014
torac https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=72781 2016
glassuser https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=72377 2014
buybitcoinbycreditcard https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=72513 2015
betbybitcoin thebitcoin.casino https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=77595 2017
Arcurus https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=22705 2017
HorseRider https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=43369 Active
primeasic https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=83539 (Scam ?) 2013
mah87 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=67181 2017
bitsalame https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=26684 Active
rpietila https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=68520 (scam accusation) Active
aristodemus https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=82948 Active
zeroday https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=83045 Active
pierrejo https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=90215 Active
CanaryInTheMine https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=18614 Active
ajk https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=43778 2017
ASICME.COM https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=128651 2014
Hailong https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=125059 2014
betcointm https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=142573 2016
WhiteyAGM https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=74245 2015
BitBet.com https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=152117 2014
Spondoolies-Tech https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=295386 Active
BitmainWarranty (myrig) https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=383527 Active
fluffypony https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=94840 Active
Claymore https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=306958 Active
Corrections, comments and additions welcome.Who on this list is gone? (2013)EDIT: Added clarification. He was not just banned, but apparently, theymos changed some settings so that when he tried to access " bitcointalk.org", he is unable to access the forum and is shown a blank page(?). MNW and theymos very much did not get along, although he was previously a staff member. I remember seeing his negative rating on theymos show up that resulted from him being on someone's trust list, that said that theymos is just a 21 year old kid who ran an illegal stock exchange. MNW was apparently banned and temporarily unbanned a number of times so he can post updates in regards to repaying his debts. Although he said at the time he was trolling when he was guaranteeing repayment of pirate40's ponzi, he did eventually pay a lot of money who took him up on his bet. Some of the donators that were given a scammer tag prior to the trust system being introduced also lost their title when the new new trust system was introduced. This person was given a scammer tag by a forum administrator prior to the existence of the trust system. This means that they were either a proven scammer, someone linked to a proven scammer by IP evidence, or someone with an account likely compromised by a known scammer. However, this information is very old and maybe not 100% accurate, so use this rating as only part of your trust judgement.
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Maybe they didn't donate 50 BTC but were gifted the VIP status because of their contribution to Bitcoin and the forum.
Right. I posted about this somewhere when I did it. IIRC MagicalTux also got VIP without paying 50 BTC because he contributed significant resources in other ways.  Thanks for confirming that. I found the post. |
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Interesting thread. Fun how most of them were at one stage involved with dodgy/dishonest activities.
I think the "dodgy" is a sliding scale. There are those that are clearly dishonest. There are those that get into financial trouble due to their own fault and hide it / try to trade out of it and then become dishonest. There are those that get into financial trouble due to no fault of their own and hide it / try to trade out of it and then become dishonest. There are those that get into financial trouble and cannot pay back their creditors. This is one of the things that I realized with Mark Karpeles - he would have been a multi-millionaire if he had just held onto his original bitcoin and never started MtGox. Without MtGox - bitcoin may have never reached the peaks it did and without MtGox some people would still have their bitcoins. Without the lessons learned from MtGox it could have been another exchange that ended up the same way. I never lost any bitcoin to MtGox (I wasn't into crypto yet) and I have a bias towards exchanges because I know just how hard they are to run and the amount of attempted attacks they get daily. |
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MAC address spoofing is relatively easy. Scammers don't play by the rules. Most scammers would probably be using Tails which has the ability to spoof MAC address. https://tails.boum.org/doc/first_steps/startup_options/mac_spoofing/index.en.htmlIt will also cause problems for people who use public computers like an internet cafe, library or shared work / flat computer. It is not difficult to change a Mac address on a computer and most computer have at least two mac addresses anyway (wifi & wired) It will only cause problems for people who use multiple devices and do nothing for security. For this reason MAC filtering is not really considered much of a security feature. |
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