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1881  Other / Meta / Re: The most iconic bitcointalk threads. History on Bitcointalk. on: June 15, 2018, 03:42:52 PM
There should be a link guiding a NEWBIES here. All they are doing is bounties when This platform has such a rich history. Gussbumps.

The iconic threads should be required reading for noobs, and they should also have to pass a test on the content before spamming their low effort sig campaign ads. Grin

I'd love to have this pinned. I keep on finding more interesting stuff to add to this.
1882  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: BEST PLATFORM TO TRADE & INVETS on: June 15, 2018, 01:30:47 AM
Looks like a SCAM.

Why??
  • No Team, No faces on the website.
  • Bold claims of 0.4-2% returns per day.
  • Newbie Profile.
  • Whitepaper with images. Takes 1 hour to make.

STAY AWAY, GUYS.  STAY AWAY.



Well spotted. Most likely a scam like all the previous "bot" ponzi scams.
https://moneydoneright.com/global-trading-bot/

No team. Private godaddy registration. Appearance of being US based but probably based in Vietnam.



Their whitepaper has been translated from Vietnamese:
https://irobottrade.com/IRB_white_papper.pdf





Whitepaper is a combination of mistranslated nonsense and a $100 billion market cap. (Yes - you read that correctly - One hundred billion dollars !)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jTmXHvGZiSY

1883  Other / Meta / Re: Ponzi Schemes are illegal right? on: June 15, 2018, 12:39:59 AM
Nope. Bitcointalk does not have any kind of liability whatsover as they are not the ones providing the scams. Let us make this an easier example, We all know by now that Facebook is the number one Social Media site being used by a lot of people everyday in FB and through its messenger you will see a lot of scams happening from Facebook groups and  through its chatting service. But even though scams are openly happening to FB it doesn't make them liable for the user's losses as first of all the transaction only involves two parties which is the victim and the scammer, FB on the otherhand provides as means of communication for both, it doesn't even make their site as an accessory to the crime. Secondly it is in the user's discretion on transacting with another party online, FB does have the power to monitor everything but by doing so they will violate our privacy. The same can be said to BCT as they are simply not part of any liability.

My question was more related to two rules conflicting that anything illegal will be removed but ponzi schemes remain on the forum and won't be removed by moderators. I'm pretty sure that almost all countries find ponzi schemes illegal. I can't find a list of countries that have banned it

I think marlboroza already answered that quite accurately and bluntly.


Excuse me, but in which country is investment fraud legal?


1884  Other / Meta / Re: Ponzi Schemes are illegal right? on: June 14, 2018, 03:34:25 AM

Unless the forum changes a post and or specifically endorses it courts have for the most part regarded forums as distributors.

Vod is correct and it is not a loophole it's put in place to not restrict freedom of speech, if the distributors had to vet and take responsibility for everything they distributed they would ultimately sell significantly less material for fear of liability in any area they sold (which could be wildly different).  This puts the liability exactly where it should, the person making the statements and not the person/company distributing the information.

In case of bitcointalk they are doing the right thing. They remove posts when directed by law enforcement.

The ripoffreport however is a different story. The wheels are finally falling of:

http://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/news/the-real-rip-off-report-6445677
http://drjaniceduffy.com/2017/05/ed-magedson-ripoff-report-darren-meade-sued-for-60-million/
http://drjaniceduffy.com/2017/05/ed-magedson-ripoff-report-darren-meade-obstruction-of-justice/
1885  Other / Meta / Re: Ponzi Schemes are illegal right? on: June 14, 2018, 02:00:53 AM
I want to know why this is if they are illegal in the majority of the countries. Doesn't this forum have to follow the laws that its hosted in?

I believe it does not apply since the forum didn't create the content - it just hosts it.

Ripoffreport has been using this legal "loophole" - successfully - for years.


Interestingly that loophole tends to work with criminal law but usually not with civil law. A website can be held accountable (at least in commonwealth jurisdictions) for defamation if they publish untrue statements.

Although "didn't create the content" arguement isn't working well for pirate bay, silk road or kim dotcom.

Quote
In March 2017, the Italian Data Protection Authority affirmed that Ripoff Report's activities — namely, Ed Magedson's requests for money to edit web pages — are illegal in Italy. The Italian authorities also noticed that Ripoff Report's web servers are occasionally not reachable from Italy in order to evade controls by the authorities themselves. Besides, they noticed that some web pages — which were being investigated by the authorities — were deleted out of the blue by the website owner, despite the claim that Ripoff Report does not remove reports.
A federal court stated that victims have "probable cause to sue for extortion and racketeering". http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ripoff_Report
1886  Other / Meta / Re: Ponzi Schemes are illegal right? on: June 14, 2018, 01:45:29 AM
Pyramid schemes are illegal. They are often hard to destinguish from MLM which is legal (but dodgy). Pyramid schemes often target people in developing countries where such schemes are illegal but usually not prosecuted. Pyramid schemes and their participants will always claim they are legal or "unregulated" and will continue claiming it till they are prosecuted.

The question is what do you ban or moderate ? Pump and dump coins are scams too. High return masternode coins will eventually fail too. Just like a ponzi.

KYC account sales are illegal too.
1887  Other / Meta / Re: Bitcointalk Forum Icon on: June 13, 2018, 12:55:04 PM
Hello guys!

Bitcointalk forum is a great large community.
I think it has sens to create an icon for Bitcointalk forum as other media resources have (for ex. Medium). It would be obviously useful to place such icon on web pages in some cases, isn't it?
If yes, let's discuss ideas.

PS. Of course, if the forum administration does not mind Smiley


 

It has an icon


1888  Other / Meta / Re: The Bitcointalk 10 BTC Donators - where are they now ? on: June 13, 2018, 12:41:12 PM
Is there also a list of current 10 and up Bitcoin donators?  If so the Title can also be revised as Bitcoin millionaires. Imagine when bitcoin peaked almost 20k last year and on that time there is some who donates.  Whew.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4425909.0 here is the 50 BTC VIP list

Hopefully they all kept some bitcoin for themselves.
1889  Other / Meta / Re: The Bitcointalk 10 BTC Donators - where are they now ? on: June 13, 2018, 10:44:26 AM
People who have been tag as scammer or untrusty is because this occurred before Theymos implement the Trust system.

That is, it was up to him to tell anyone who was not trustworthy. With the implementation of the system, this became decentralized. But it seems that some remained with a tag as is the case of Matthew N. Wright.

Matthew has an interesting story. At one point, he bet that the famous Trendon Shavers, aka "Pirate @ 40", would return the money he had stolen, and then, with the absurd value that the bet would cost, he said it was just a joke.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=101751.0

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Don't think pirate will payout as promised?
If you truly believe that Pirate is a scam/ponzi, then this is a no-brainer easy money for you.

Post in this thread how much you're committing and I will double that amount you commit (maximum of 10,000BTC in bets allowed in this thread total) if Pirate does not pay out in 3 weeks as he described in his thread.

He still paid some people. But I do not know how much he has pay for the settlement.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=140654

That is so awesome that info !

It inspired me to research it and write about it ! History - Bitcoin Savings and Trust and Pirateat40 on Bitcointalk (PONZI)
1890  Other / Meta / History - Bitcoin Savings and Trust and Pirateat40 on Bitcointalk (PONZI) on: June 13, 2018, 10:14:44 AM
Trendon Shavers (known as Pirateat40 or simply Pirate) was the operator of the largest ponzi scam (in bitcoin amount scammed) in bitcoin history:



Pirateat40 operated a ponzi scheme which initially promised a guaranteed a daily profit of 1%, and then disappeared with an unknown amount of bitcoins in August 2012. Thoughts were that the amount was about 500,000 bitcoins (US $5 million at the time).

These amounts were soon quashed once investigators realized a large hoard of coins found in their analysis did not belong to Pirate, but instead to a black market website with which Pirate used to mix his funds to hide the actual amounts he had held/stolen.
Source: https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Trendon_Shavers

August 22, 2011, Howdy... pirateat40 here, long time watcher first time poster.  Those that know me, know me from OTC. Arrrrgh
Pirateat40 makes his first post on Bitcointalk
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=15672.msg472876#msg472876
   
October 17, 2011,(Auction) More Cards Available (5970, 2x6970, 1x6950) CLOSED
Initially pirate was trading GPUs for bitcoin and was a trusted member of the bitcointalk community - even reporting scammers

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=48692.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=51217.0 (reporting a scammer)


November 03, 2011, Bitcoin Savings and Trust on http://btclending.com/
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=50822.msg607752#msg607752
(Origional post was edited later by pirate)




July 05, 2012, I believe theses quotes should now kill BS&T.
Vandroiy repeatedly warned user that  Bitcoin Savings and Trust is a Ponzi and writes a detailed post with accusations.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=91655.0






July 05, 2012,  organofcorti suggests a method to settle the division of opinions.
Pro Pirate Bond: Coins invested in the Pro Pirate Bond are invested with Pirate, at whatever the current rate is. Any interest obtained will be moved to an escrow service.
Pirate Default Bond: Coins invested in the Pirate Default Bond do not increase in value.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=91661.0

July 05, 2012, I know what Pirate's doing
Several members stick up for pirateat40
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=91670.0

July 06, 2012 Putting your money where Pirate's mouth is.
Vandroiy and pirateat40 have a 5000 btc wager escrowed by nanotube
5000 BTC Wager that pirate will default by October 2013
10100 BTC put into escrow with nano

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=91661.msg1013589#msg1013589



July 10, 2012, Other People getting PMs from Vandroiy Discouraging Investment in BS&T?
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=92556.0

July 10, 2012, How much BTC have you lost out on because you listened to Vandroiy?
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=92581.0

July 24, 2012,Choose: Walk The Plank or Keelhaul
Pirateat40 attempts to get Vandroiy to concede a month prior to closing down the site.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=95008.0


July 27, 2012, A risk/reward analysis of insured pirate: YARR, PPT.X, GIPPT, Hashking, Goat
Discusion of various “default bonds” issued.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=96092.0

August 17, 2012 (See edit) Pirate closes  Bitcoin Savings and Trust
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=50822.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=101339.0




August 19, 2012,[TROLL] I'm giving 100% ROI away to anyone who thinks pirate is a fraud
Worlds most expensive troll prank gone wrong by Matthew N. Wright.
It ends up costing him dearly, loses friends over it and then disappears.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=101751.0 (The prank)
This was a horrible childish prank that made me look bad and I have no excuse, just that I won't do anything like this again.

I have settled with mostly everyone who bet in this troll thread and it sucks having this be one of the things I'm remembered for, but I won't let it happen again.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=140654 (The compensation thread)

August 29, 2012 Figuring out how much was invested with pirateat40
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=104258.msg%msg_id%

August 30, 2012 Vitalik Buterin wrote an article about it at the time.

https://bitcoinmagazine.com/articles/the-pirate-saga-and-so-it-ends/

September 12, 2012, Trendon Shavers - Family Contact made
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=109126.0

February 15, 2013 Trendon Shavers - Doxed by debt coillector tldoctor
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=144321.0

   
July 23, 2013,  pirateat40 alias Bitcoin savings and trusts, trendon shavers BUSTED
The SEC alleges that Trendon T. Shavers, the founder and operator of Bitcoin Savings and Trust (BTCST), offered and sold Bitcoin-denominated investments, raising at least 700,000 Btc, or about $4.5 million at the time of the alleged take. That's about $63 million at today's price
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=261243.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=261234.0



August 19, 2013 德国将比特币归为“货币单位” 全球首个认可其合法地位
The news of his court case was reported worldwide.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=278385.0

March 27, 2016, Inducted into Gleb Gamows Piece of Shit Bitcoiners et al. Hall of Fame
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1414944.0;all



July 28, 2016, [2016-07-28] deepdotweb.com Trendon Shavers gets 18 months sentence
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1568360.0


Shavers pleaded not guilty to fraud charges in March 2015 but reversed his decision later that year.

The Ponzi scheme had collected money from at least 100 investors. More that 146,000 bitcoins were collected. (worth $807,380 at the time)
Other reports suggest 764,000 bitcoin total.
Shavers admitted that he “royally messed up” and “I don’t think this is something I’m ever going to get over,”


Full plea deal can be seen here:
Plea agreement (External link)


This is a work in progress, corrections and additions are welcome. Will be edited if more information becomes available.

1891  Other / Meta / Re: Full merit transaction history for any user on: June 12, 2018, 12:23:04 PM
You can view the whole merit stats on Ddmrddmr site as well https://fusiontables.google.com/DataSource?docid=1wM2Op6_ol8_0iP0sDEemIGr9weKvIeLPvKsKMpFy#rows:id=1

Just change the username to whichever one you want to search.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3395255.msg35551989#msg35551989
1892  Other / Meta / In 2009 Satoshi answered NOOB questions himself. on: June 12, 2018, 11:35:32 AM
Hi, yesterday I stumbled upon this great payment option.

I read my way through many sites but now I have some questions that couldn't get answered.

1. Is Bitcoin really anonymous? I mean totally and completely? Is my ISP able to detect, that I have sent or received a Bitcoin payment? Maybe he is even able to see that I am running Bitcoin right now?

2. If I understood this correctly, my payment partners are not able to see who I am. Does this mean, they can not see my real IP adress? Only the Bitcoin-adress? Even if they monitors their network connections and stuff?

3. If there is a way for my ISP to tell that I am running Bitcoin or for my payment partners to find out my IP, would it be more safe to tunnel the network traffic through a VPN (payed with Paysafecard for example)? Could this be dangerous, because the VPN provider will be able to capture my payment?

4. What files need to be backed up for not losing my "money"? Only the wallet.dat or the whole Bitcoin AppData directory ?

5. Isn`t it possible to multiply a wallet and use it on different machines? This way you would double your money without doing anything for it.
Are there security measures for this case?

6. When someone loses his wallet, will there be a way to recreate the lost coins in the system ? Else the 21 million maximum will not be correct.
(I mean not to recover the lost coins for one person, but if all the 21mio coins were created, and someone loses his wallet with 1mio coins, will the the others be able to create these 1mio coins now or are they totally lost for the bitcoin network?)

7. I have read that there currently are about 130k blocks out there. At my pc it only shows me about 24k. Is there something wrong or is this a normal behaviour ?

8. I`m afraid I didn`t understand everything about the bitcoin creation. How many coins are created by a machine in 24h in average?

9. I know that port 8333 should be forwarded to the bitcoin-running machine. Now I ask myself if this goes for the TCP or the UDP.
And is this port required for generating coins? Or only for payment transactions?

10. I`ve seen that the source code for bitcoin is open for everybody. Can this be an actual danger? If the code is manipulated people can create more bitcoins than others, can`t they? This would be a massive leak of security.

11. I`ve seen a formular to clalculate the coins that will be created in a certain amount of time. It had something to do with the maximum cpu speed and the availabe. Can`t find it anymore, so I`m asking you to explain me the coin creating. Do slow machines produce as much coins as high-end ones?

12. Are there any other exchanging systems or potential payment partners except for new liberty standard?

13. What happens when my system crashes? Is the wallet saved automatically or only when bitcoin gets closed manually? (Maybe even real-time saving when a coint is created or payment is made?)

14. Is there a way to see how many bitcoins have been generated this far? And how old is Bitcoin already?

I know .... Many many questions but I am really interested in your service and want to know everything before I start using it more frequently.


(Sorry for my bad English...)

EDIT 2014-10-31: grammar and typos

1-3:
For that level of anonymity you need to connect through TOR, which will be possible with version 0.2, which is only a few weeks away.  I'll post TOR instructions at that time.

4:
Version 0.1.5: backup the whole %appdata%\Bitcoin directory.
Version 0.2: you can backup just wallet.dat.

5:
Nope.  The whole design is all about preventing that from working.

6:
Those coins can never be recovered, and the total circulation is less.  Since the effective circulation is reduced, all the remaining coins are worth slightly more.  It's the opposite of when a government prints money and the value of existing money goes down.

7:
It's currently 29,296 blocks.  The circulation is the number of blocks times 50, so the current circulation is 1,464,800 bc.  

If you only have 24k blocks, it must not have finished the initial block download.  Exit bitcoin and start it again.  Version 0.2 is better/faster at the initial block download.

8:
Typically a few hundred right now.  It's easy now but it'll get harder as the network grows.

9:
Good question, it's TCP.  The website needs to be updated to say TCP port 8333.

The port forwarding is so other nodes can connect to you, so it helps you stay connected because you are able to be connected with more nodes.  You also need it to receive payments by IP address.

10:
No, the other nodes won't accept that.

Being open source means anyone can independently review the code.  If it was closed source, nobody could verify the security.  I think it's essential for a program of this nature to be open source.

11:
Slower machines produce fewer coins.  It's proportional to CPU speed.

12:
There are more coming.

13:
It uses a transactional database called Berkeley DB.  It will not lose data in a system crash.  Transactions are written to the database immediately when they're received.

14:
For now, you can just multiply the total blocks by 50.  The Bitcoin network has been running for almost a year now.  The design and coding started in 2007.
1893  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Can someone find out that you own bitcoin ? on: June 12, 2018, 11:21:06 AM

  • Yes - through GPS in the bitcoin wallet code can be correct if you are using some unknown wallet that may have a backdoor Wink not that there is any that i have seen so far!
I haven't seen GPS in wallet code yet. Of course it would have to have GPS hardware to operate as well. Theoretically possible on a phone wallet.  Grin

  • Yes - your identity is always revealed this depends on the type of wallet you are using. if you are using a WALLET like bitcoin core, armory, electrum,... then it is not. but if you are using a bitcoin ACCOUNT which they call wallet such as  coinbase then it is true.
The key word in this answer would be "always". Rather than "in some cases".


  • Yes - through the nodes this can also be true but not easy. basically you have to create a ton of nodes and connect to a ton of other nodes. then you select someone's node and connect to it and fill all its connection slots. each time that node sends a transaction you check to see whether you have seen this transaction before (if it is relaying it) or it is a new one (creating it). if it is new then he owns the coins.
> Can nodes tell which bitcoin addresses belong to which IP addresses?

No.
1894  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: vengateshcbe serial loan scammer on: June 12, 2018, 10:18:25 AM
Scammers deliberately try to scam low amounts because they know people won't pursue it forever.
1895  Other / Meta / Re: Bitcointalk history of MtGox and how a Bitcointalk post caught the MtGox hacker. on: June 12, 2018, 07:24:04 AM
<...>
This is an interesting archive fact finding chronological layout of the events that took place. Long but interesting to read. I recently read a nice post on the same topics by theyoungmillionaire called The Silk Road seized and the downfall of Mt.Gox (Bitcoin Discussion section), from early May 2018. Both approaches are different in style so reading both is no issue at all.


I read most of theyoungmillionaire posts. He has also translated one my posts into Filipino to prevent phishing scams.

Mt.Gox is one of the biggest disasters in Bitcoin history and the story is not yet complete.

For those that lost bitcoins in the Mt.Gox collapse it is only a disaster but for the bitcoin community some really valuable lessons were learned.  It also showed what speculative mania can do to the Bitcoin price.
1896  Other / Meta / Re: The Bitcointalk 10 BTC Donators - where are they now ? on: June 12, 2018, 07:15:24 AM
I did not expect that a lot of donations were in 2017, it turns out that the minimum donation was $ 7900 and the maximum could be 200 000 $, and in 2018 there no donations at all, although half a year has passed.

It is still possible to make a small donation through the copper membership option. I don't think the forum currently needs funding since there would have been some surplus from the early days and the price of bitcoin went up a lot since then.

It seems to me that spam is just a symptom, and the reason is the crazy popularity growth of crypto currencies, everything is changing, perhaps at one time only constructive dialogues were conducted on this forum, but now there are plenty of newcomers, most of whom understand little about smart contracts, decentralization and crypto currencies in general and aims only to earn, is it bad? Of course it's bad, but maybe in a year or so, these people will start to study those things, and in five years they will be able to bring something of their own into the crypto community, in everything there can be positive sides.

All forums struggle with spam.  Bots have made it possible to spam faster than humans can remove it.

The "new crowd" may not understand how things work but do still have an important role. This is the BETA test stage. These people will break what can be broken, make mistakes that were not even considered and do things that are unimaginable. It will result in technology that will become grandma proof.
1897  Other / Meta / Re: The Bitcointalk 10 BTC Donators - where are they now ? on: June 12, 2018, 05:57:44 AM
Those donators have all been the quality this forum had at that time and we realize that when we read the threads from that time. They being missing is one of the reasons why the forum is in such a situation where spam is the first thing you see when you open a section to read something good.

Crypto has gone through stages and this forum has documented those stages.

The initial stage - where the focus was creation of the code and blockchain
The implementation stage - debugging and developing processes and applications - exchanges and payment systems.
The copycat stage - the introduction of alts and development of alternative technologies.
The ICO stage and masternode marketing stage. Where tokens and masternodes are being used to get rich quick.

There is still a lot of good stuff on Bitcointalk -  it is just harder to find.

Watching the patrol page can be a bit disheartening. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=recent;patrol

Just single sentence comments with no substance and bounty replies.

Looking into the "oldies" that were on here - a lot of them are still around.
1898  Other / Meta / Re: Bitcointalk history of MtGox and how a Bitcointalk post caught the MtGox hacker. on: June 12, 2018, 05:48:03 AM
https://hacked.com/crypto-roundup-bitcoin-whales-eos-launch-and-mike-novogratzs-bullish-forecast/

The Tokyo Whale, (Mt. Gox trustee) has sold roughly 40,000 units of BTC and in my opinion is responsible for the bear market at the moment.

I doubt that the Coinrail hack had much of an effect on the bitcoin price.

1899  Other / Off-topic / Re: Merit System Upgrade on: June 12, 2018, 04:30:18 AM
I really wish they didn’t allow altcoins on this forum at all. There is nothing that can be done using any altcoin that can’t be done with bitcoin. You can make bitcoin private, you can make bitcoin faster, bla, bla.

Satoshi actually talked about making bitcoin private here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=7.0

Altcoins have given bitcoin more value. Bitcoin is the value store used for trading in altcoins. More altcoins are traded against BTC value than against fiat or any other value store.

While for illegal use bitcoin has its downside - for genuine uses the pseudo anonymity means that there is a clear audit trail.  

Bitcoin is still the standard of decentralization.
It is the hardest coin to launch a 51% attack on.

Cost of launching a 51% attack:

Source: https://thenextweb.com/hardfork/2018/05/30/heres-how-much-it-costs-to-launch-a-51-attack-on-pow-cryptocurrencies/

None of the current privacy coins have yet shown that they can be trusted.

Monero uses Ring Confidential Transactions.
While monero hasn't been exploited - The bytecoin network using the same technology was exploited.
The issues surrounding the MoneroV fork show the vulnerabilities of that technology.
https://serhack.me/articles/introduction-to-monerov-and-its-inherent-risks

Dash (Darkcoin, xcoin) uses Joincoin
Thanks to masternodes, the probability of tracing a payment is very high.

Zero coin based privacy coins have run into trouble several times with multiple exploits resulting in excessive coins being minted.

Zcash - if there was an exploit it is likely that no-one would know.
Source: https://zcoin.io/zcoin-and-zcash/

Verge (Dogecoindark) - several recent exploits.

So privacy features that those coins provide over bitcoin are just a comfy blanket. Whether they actually work still has to be seen.

It could turn out safer to put your bitcoin through a mixer.



1900  Other / Meta / Re: Sex for merit? on: June 12, 2018, 12:33:52 AM
It wasn't me.
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