Cricket match prediction discussions

[JSRAW]

English player Jason Roy and a couple of other players as well are now entertaining the idea of dropping their central contracts for T-20 Gigs, most of them are white ball cricketers tho.

I guess in the next few years we'll see many players will take this route. Make sense if they are not making it into national teams or getting old.

https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/jason-roy-planning-to-terminate-ecb-contract-to-play-major-league-cricket-in-the-us-1378294

[TheGreatPython]

English player Jason Roy and a couple of other players as well are now entertaining the idea of dropping their central contracts for T-20 Gigs, most of them are white ball cricketers tho.

I guess in the next few years we'll see many players will take this route. Make sense if they are not making it into national teams or getting old.

https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/jason-roy-planning-to-terminate-ecb-contract-to-play-major-league-cricket-in-the-us-1378294

This change was expecting because as things were going in last few years surely many more players will be done this same specially from top boards because now playing for national team is never been profitable for players, so they need to think about this which will bring good changes from boards as well as having legislation about this all.

First we have from West Indian players now from English and soon will be others even I am not afraid about Indians because they have enough money from IPL, but changes are never been stoppable by anyone and as we are having few good leagues like in the USA, UAE and few more countries many international players will be on verge of Roy line, and we will have steps for going like soccer and reduction in other formats as well.

[Sithara007]

English player Jason Roy and a couple of other players as well are now entertaining the idea of dropping their central contracts for T-20 Gigs, most of them are white ball cricketers tho.

I guess in the next few years we'll see many players will take this route. Make sense if they are not making it into national teams or getting old.

https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/jason-roy-planning-to-terminate-ecb-contract-to-play-major-league-cricket-in-the-us-1378294

This was expected after the new ICC revenue distribution model. BCCI now has annual revenues totaling $2 billion (from media rights and ICC allocation). None of the other countries comes close. ECB has an annual revenue equaling to 1/20th of that of the BCCI. It is just a matter of time before the BCCI, with the help from IPL franchises take over global cricket. Anyway, I am glad that the ECB is getting some of their own medicine. Giles Clarke was one of the chief architects of the pig-3 model back in 2015, along with Srinivsan and Wally Edwards.

[JSRAW]

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ECB's revenue almost tripled so i don't think that's a valid argument.

English player Jason Roy and a couple of other players as well are now entertaining the idea of dropping their central contracts for T-20 Gigs, most of them are white ball cricketers tho.

I guess in the next few years we'll see many players will take this route. Make sense if they are not making it into national teams or getting old.

https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/jason-roy-planning-to-terminate-ecb-contract-to-play-major-league-cricket-in-the-us-1378294

This change was expecting because as things were going in last few years surely many more players will be done this same specially from top boards because now playing for national team is never been profitable for players, so they need to think about this which will bring good changes from boards as well as having legislation about this all.

First we have from West Indian players now from English and soon will be others even I am not afraid about Indians because they have enough money from IPL, but changes are never been stoppable by anyone and as we are having few good leagues like in the USA, UAE and few more countries many international players will be on verge of Roy line, and we will have steps for going like soccer and reduction in other formats as well.

It's still a work in progress theory but writing on the wall for everyone to see.

I reckon single format players (white ball) are more vulnerable in this situation, vulnerable from the cricket board's POV not players or franchise. Trent Boult already said no to the central contract btw.

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jason roy's statement on twitter.

https://twitter.com/JasonRoy20/status/1661754570459205634

[fuguebtc]

English player Jason Roy and a couple of other players as well are now entertaining the idea of dropping their central contracts for T-20 Gigs, most of them are white ball cricketers tho.
I guess in the next few years we'll see many players will take this route. Make sense if they are not making it into national teams or getting old.
https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/jason-roy-planning-to-terminate-ecb-contract-to-play-major-league-cricket-in-the-us-1378294

This was expected after the new ICC revenue distribution model. BCCI now has annual revenues totaling $2 billion (from media rights and ICC allocation). None of the other countries comes close. ECB has an annual revenue equaling to 1/20th of that of the BCCI. It is just a matter of time before the BCCI, with the help from IPL franchises take over global cricket. Anyway, I am glad that the ECB is getting some of their own medicine. Giles Clarke was one of the chief architects of the pig-3 model back in 2015, along with Srinivsan and Wally Edwards.

Or maybe it could be that they are not finding good revenue and that's why they are actually not that much interested and also invested in cricket right now. Of course they are also seeing that they are not being able to replicate the type of success that India is getting from the IPL. At the same time, it is also better for England to actually concentrate on football because the English Premier League is doing absolutely wonderfully right now. And with the decreasing popularity of cricket, I will say it is going to be a smart decision.

[Sithara007]

Or maybe it could be that they are not finding good revenue and that's why they are actually not that much interested and also invested in cricket right now. Of course they are also seeing that they are not being able to replicate the type of success that India is getting from the IPL. At the same time, it is also better for England to actually concentrate on football because the English Premier League is doing absolutely wonderfully right now. And with the decreasing popularity of cricket, I will say it is going to be a smart decision.

Two decades ago, the ECB admitted that popularity of cricket was going down at an alarming rate. But then they came up with the T20 format (ECB was the board that first setup a T20 competition in domestic cricket), and this helped them to stem the tide for sometime. But now once again, the popularity seems to be declining and it is being reflected in the media rights auctions. Similar to the case with other countries, cricket in England is transforming to a sport that is primarily being played by the South Asian diaspora. Maybe within the next two decades, the England national side will be majority South Asian.

[JSRAW]

^^ In ECB vs Player leaving context it's not related to funding or the declining of cricket popularity at all.

In this scenario, it all comes down to the player's contract. Some players get a full year's contract and similarly, some get a 2-3 months deal depending on the white ball series and county's gigs. Jason Roys falls into a White ball contract.

[Sithara007]

^^ In ECB vs Player leaving context it's not related to funding or the declining of cricket popularity at all.

In this scenario, it all comes down to the player's contract. Some players get a full year's contract and similarly, some get a 2-3 months deal depending on the white ball series and county's gigs. Jason Roys falls into a White ball contract.

Jason Roy is just the tip of the iceberg. Already it is reported that 6 of the regular England players are in talks with IPL franchises to pull out from the ECB contracts. And I am sure that many of these players are having regular contracts with ECB at this point. ECB simply can't compete against the money power of IPL. In the long term, this will impact the ability of teams other than India to conduct bilateral tours. More and more national players will retire from international cricket and focus solely on franchise cricket (similar to what Trent Boult is doing now).

[JSRAW]

^^ In ECB vs Player leaving context it's not related to funding or the declining of cricket popularity at all.

In this scenario, it all comes down to the player's contract. Some players get a full year's contract and similarly, some get a 2-3 months deal depending on the white ball series and county's gigs. Jason Roys falls into a White ball contract.

Jason Roy is just the tip of the iceberg. Already it is reported that 6 of the regular England players are in talks with IPL franchises to pull out from the ECB contracts. And I am sure that many of these players are having regular contracts with ECB at this point. ECB simply can't compete against the money power of IPL. In the long term, this will impact the ability of teams other than India to conduct bilateral tours. More and more national players will retire from international cricket and focus solely on franchise cricket (similar to what Trent Boult is doing now).

Yeah but all of them are white ball players and hardly anyone has any Test future.

For example, Jofra's test career is almost finished due to injuries, the best he can do is play white ball cricket. Trent Boult is almost 34 and i guess he took the right decision.

Agree in the long run it'll definitely affect cricket but that's how the market works. And ECB should be the last one to complain, someone should remind them how these very same guys were sucking out every talent from other countries.

[justdimin]

Jason Roy is just the tip of the iceberg. Already it is reported that 6 of the regular England players are in talks with IPL franchises to pull out from the ECB contracts. And I am sure that many of these players are having regular contracts with ECB at this point. ECB simply can't compete against the money power of IPL. In the long term, this will impact the ability of teams other than India to conduct bilateral tours. More and more national players will retire from international cricket and focus solely on franchise cricket (similar to what Trent Boult is doing now).

Yeah I agree, Jason Roy doing many more can do as well but if ECB and other boards go ahead about this issue and work on better policy then surely things can go positive for both parties because if we have started this surely it's going to hurt many boards especially West indies and many issues could be in line for having problems so now it's good time to sit and talk about these all before get into too late.

IPL is money bank for the players, but it's all depend on BCCI policy as well because if they will allow then players will be able to join otherwise if they ban any country like Pakistan then surely things could be not good for the players increasing funding and also offloading burden are also talk able specially in England where things are never been good for players with mostly have injuries or too much work load in country seasons as well.

[wiss19]

Jason Roy is just the tip of the iceberg. Already it is reported that 6 of the regular England players are in talks with IPL franchises to pull out from the ECB contracts. And I am sure that many of these players are having regular contracts with ECB at this point. ECB simply can't compete against the money power of IPL. In the long term, this will impact the ability of teams other than India to conduct bilateral tours. More and more national players will retire from international cricket and focus solely on franchise cricket (similar to what Trent Boult is doing now).

Yeah but all of them are white ball players and hardly anyone has any Test future.

For example, Jofra's test career is almost finished due to injuries, the best he can do is play white ball cricket. Trent Boult is almost 34 and i guess he took the right decision.

Agree in the long run it'll definitely affect cricket but that's how the market works. And ECB should be the last one to complain, someone should remind them how these very same guys were sucking out every talent from other countries.

No one going to remind them about these all because they don't like things like these which were hurting others in past and now creating problems for them, but now it's time for them to have changed their system and policies if they want alive in this game otherwise things could be gone from bad to worse for them, and they will be completely useless in coming years specially if we have good franchise leagues in Gulf region then surely many countries will be suffered with this all due to infrastructure and money which are they providing players.

Test is now reducing, and white ball is just going to have one format T20 so from this all we can expect what is going to happen in near future ICC is not interested in any strategy as their deep pockets are already filled with BCCI money hopefully they will learn from FIFA and have some changes.

[eaLiTy]

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Test is now reducing, and white ball is just going to have one format T20 so from this all we can expect what is going to happen in near future ICC is not interested in any strategy as their deep pockets are already filled with BCCI money hopefully they will learn from FIFA and have some changes.

BCCI was reluctant to introduce the T20 format when it was introduced and now they really think that the future will be T20 and franchise cricket  . Even Ravi Shastri has given interviews after he stepped down as the coach that franchise Cricket is the future. IPL dates are gradually increasing and more teams will be introduced in the coming years. Players are resigning earlier from International Cricket to prolong their franchise career which is ongoing and it all depends upon the fans.

[Sithara007]

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And ECB should be the last one to complain, someone should remind them how these very same guys were sucking out every talent from other countries.

Well.. I can agree on that. I still remember how they ruined the future of Ireland, Scotland and Netherlands by refusing to release their main players (Gavin Hamilton, Ed Joyce, Boyd Rankin.etc) from the county system. And they stole some of the best players these countries ever produced - Eoin Morgan is a perfect example. Now they are getting some of their own medicine. I am not entirely happy about this scenario though. England is the birthplace of cricket, and I want them to sustain the county cricket system. None of the other domestic competitions can match county cricket in terms of quality and diversity.

[JSRAW]

^^ Checked some articles on this topic and was surprised to know that Jason Roy only earns £60k annually from the ECB contract (incremental contract), which includes only the ODI format, he's dropped from the T-20 setup.

This is not justifiable to any Player and Roy happens to be an excellent White ball cricketer. Yeah, he's not at his peak but he does have demand in franchise cricket.

https://wisden.com/stories/news-stories/explained-why-jason-roy-is-set-to-cut-short-his-england-contract

[Patrol69]

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Test is now reducing, and white ball is just going to have one format T20 so from this all we can expect what is going to happen in near future ICC is not interested in any strategy as their deep pockets are already filled with BCCI money hopefully they will learn from FIFA and have some changes.

BCCI was reluctant to introduce the T20 format when it was introduced and now they really think that the future will be T20 and franchise cricket  . Even Ravi Shastri has given interviews after he stepped down as the coach that franchise Cricket is the future. IPL dates are gradually increasing and more teams will be introduced in the coming years. Players are resigning earlier from International Cricket to prolong their franchise career which is ongoing and it all depends upon the fans.

Currently if it is said which is the most popular franchise league tournament in the world then without any thought everyone will answer IPL. And the popularity of this IPL is increasing day by day. Various organizations under the ownership of English clubs are already trying a lot to get IPL teams, maybe the number of teams and the number of matches in the IPL will increase from the next tournament. 

IPL activities are not limited to this. While the IPL activities are going on in the interim, the CEO of IPL said in an interview to the media that the popularity of IPL is increasing a lot and a large number of people are demanding that IPL be held twice a year.
In this regard, he said that they have such a plan that if the demand is high, then of course they will organize two tournaments in a year, but at this time they are not thinking much about organizing two tournaments in a year. Through his statement, it is understood that they have different thoughts about IPL.

[fuguebtc]

^^ In ECB vs Player leaving context it's not related to funding or the declining of cricket popularity at all.
In this scenario, it all comes down to the player's contract. Some players get a full year's contract and similarly, some get a 2-3 months deal depending on the white ball series and county's gigs. Jason Roys falls into a White ball contract.

Jason Roy is just the tip of the iceberg. Already it is reported that 6 of the regular England players are in talks with IPL franchises to pull out from the ECB contracts. And I am sure that many of these players are having regular contracts with ECB at this point. ECB simply can't compete against the money power of IPL. In the long term, this will impact the ability of teams other than India to conduct bilateral tours. More and more national players will retire from international cricket and focus solely on franchise cricket (similar to what Trent Boult is doing now).

The sad part is that any cricket board is not going to be able to stop this because the players will always try to get better validation for their hard work. And of course, IPL is going to do that. IPL is always going to be able to pay the players a lot more compared to what the respective cricket boards can do.

So of course those players are going to choose to play in franchise cricket instead of playing for the national team. Of course, if the players agree to play for the IPL it is going to be really hard for the cricket boards to make the players choose otherwise. But if that actually ends up happening I wonder what will happen when the world cup comes.

[Webetcoins]

The sad part is that any cricket board is not going to be able to stop this because the players will always try to get better validation for their hard work. And of course, IPL is going to do that. IPL is always going to be able to pay the players a lot more compared to what the respective cricket boards can do.

So of course those players are going to choose to play in franchise cricket instead of playing for the national team. Of course, if the players agree to play for the IPL it is going to be really hard for the cricket boards to make the players choose otherwise. But if that actually ends up happening I wonder what will happen when the world cup comes.

Now, we are heading for the new era in this game which is going to have big changes and many boards needs to bring changes in their system as well which give them better way to stay in touch otherwise they will lose their players to franchise, and we will have debate like in soccer club vs national team if they want to avoid then surely they need to sit and work on things which prevent from these problems, and they also increase their wagers as well which helps players to stay in for the national framework as well.

Franchise is fact we have to accept this with need window for the test matches and T20 as well but ODI is going to die soon if ICC take decision about this quickly surely this will help them as most chances 2031 ODI world cup could be last event.

[Sithara007]

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Franchise is fact we have to accept this with need window for the test matches and T20 as well but ODI is going to die soon if ICC take decision about this quickly surely this will help them as most chances 2031 ODI world cup could be last event.

I don't even know whether the 2031 ODI World Cup will go ahead as planned. It is 8 years from now, and we can't predict things with 100% certainty. And unlike the test format, there is no large scale support for ODI format from the old school cricket fans. No one feels nostalgic about this format, as it was first played only half-a-century ago. Anyway, cricket needs to adapt to changing requirements. No one has 7-8 hours of spare time to follow the ODI matches, as the world is moving ahead at a rapid pace. T20 is the future and ODI format will become one of the collateral casualties. 

[Juggy777]

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Franchise is fact we have to accept this with need window for the test matches and T20 as well but ODI is going to die soon if ICC take decision about this quickly surely this will help them as most chances 2031 ODI world cup could be last event.

I don't even know whether the 2031 ODI World Cup will go ahead as planned. It is 8 years from now, and we can't predict things with 100% certainty. And unlike the test format, there is no large scale support for ODI format from the old school cricket fans. No one feels nostalgic about this format, as it was first played only half-a-century ago. Anyway, cricket needs to adapt to changing requirements. No one has 7-8 hours of spare time to follow the ODI matches, as the world is moving ahead at a rapid pace. T20 is the future and ODI format will become one of the collateral casualties. 

@Sithara007 both ODI and Test format will probably make way for T20 tournaments as IPL team’s are now hiring player’s on a yearly contract thus it’s only a matter of time before ICC cancels Test and ODI matches to allow these Franchise tournaments to thrive. Furthermore I feel that in the end ICC and the other boards will work out a compensation formula and the fan’s won’t mind it as they’ll get them more entertainment but small countries could suffer as they’ll further get very less opportunities to play against the big team’s.

[Minor Miner]

I don't even know whether the 2031 ODI World Cup will go ahead as planned. It is 8 years from now, and we can't predict things with 100% certainty. And unlike the test format, there is no large scale support for ODI format from the old school cricket fans. No one feels nostalgic about this format, as it was first played only half-a-century ago. Anyway, cricket needs to adapt to changing requirements. No one has 7-8 hours of spare time to follow the ODI matches, as the world is moving ahead at a rapid pace. T20 is the future and ODI format will become one of the collateral casualties. 

@Sithara007 both ODI and Test format will probably make way for T20 tournaments as IPL team’s are now hiring player’s on a yearly contract thus it’s only a matter of time before ICC cancels Test and ODI matches to allow these Franchise tournaments to thrive. Furthermore I feel that in the end ICC and the other boards will work out a compensation formula and the fan’s won’t mind it as they’ll get them more entertainment but small countries could suffer as they’ll further get very less opportunities to play against the big team’s.

It is going to be a really important 8 years for cricket. If ICC does not actually change things, like make some important changes in the rules and also stop allowing the teams which are made up of foreign players, cricket is not going to survive for a long period of time. 8 more years is going to be a long time.

Of course, as @Juggy777 said that we have seen good players being approached by the IPL with big contracts, and it is only going to increase. And international cricket is actually going to die out. T20 is certainly going to be a lot more popular. ODI and test cricket are very soon going to die as well.