Cricket match prediction discussions

[Naficopa]

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@JSRAW here I am not agreed with you because official account is surely doing not trolling or anything wrong because they all know how to do things in positively even few things are not good but surely this all is part of the game.

They deleted the 2 posts regarding South Africa and India. When I saw those tweets then I had to recheck if it was some parody account and to my surprise, it wasn't.

This "Billion dollar" Jab is just one example. There are quite a few instances where he becomes loose cannon against opposition teams " Beat em and we'll get a blank check" "Kohli scored a ton against 3rd rate team -Afganistan-)". Imagine ECB, CA, BCCI's president start talking like this.
I like the show you were referring to in your previous comment. The only thing I hate is when they bring religion into everything. Some might still remember Waqar Younis's bigoted comment last year, he came out as a true Islamist and later he had to apologize in public but it was just a damage control tactic IMO.

I really hate it when they bring in something and make it about religion. There is no need to do that at all. Now I know that there are a lot of controversies going on with the ICC and the way they handle things. A lot of people do say that India is always being favored by the ICC. But the thing is people are not going to respect your team. If you do not respect it yourself. And respect will always come when you start playing well.

As you said, Virat Kohli was out of form for quite a while. But I don’t think that former cricketers or even the media of India said anything bad about Virat Kohli. They supported their flair when he needed them the most.

Well to be fair to them, for some weird reason almost everyone from Pakistani side brings religion. Be it Waqar's comment or recently Rizwan's post-match interview after winning the semis against kiwis.

I can't imagine such language from BCCI's officials, Indian commentator or Indian team. 

Well! Half of the Pakistani team believe in tabliq. There is nothing wrong in preaching your religion but mixing it up with professional sports is a concern. The biggest example of such kind of behaviour was when Md Rizwan plaided the lord for his achievements in the semifinal against SA multiple time. The clip has become viral now. It is a controversial topic and I personally think sports should not be mixed with religious activities.

I don't think there is anything wrong with being grateful to your God on your success and mentioning that infront of media or press conferences. Yes some people talk about and mention their religion at their every achievement and some don't but yes the sports should be limited to things in ground .
Yes but avoid talking against anyone's belief and make it controversial.

[mm2543363580]

It remains to be seen how Pakistan cricket has improved during his tenure. Whatever the cricket board chairman says irrelevantly. But it is true that even though Pakistan cricket has improved, Ramij Raja is viewed negatively by many in the cricketing world. Because there is some differences in his speech. After all we want every country's cricket to thrive and conduct cricket with honesty and integrity. As a result at least cricket will improve.

No doubt we have too many positive changes after arrival of Ramiz Raja as President of PCB even till very long way to go for them if they want to be bigger and stable in this game and around the world but still good approach by him for handling things which was never been good and favourable for the long term games future but as few already mentioning above positive and negative points of this post and attitude this is surely happening in subcontinent specially in Pakistan because system is not strong and many form cricketers which fail to have any post or contract with leagues can also show their frustration even they never deserve for this post, but they feel it's not justifying by them hopefully things will be changed, and they could be able to understand this all.

Pakistan has emerged as a strongest team in the world in almost 2 3 years and hard work is obvious in that . Definitely there is a role of PCB in that too from finding these great talented boys and polish them to bring the best out of them. Everything is clear and transparent so just appreciate things right now and look at the positive side of the picture.

[Sithara007]

Ha! 6 teams, well let's see.  

Just defeats the whole purpose. What is the point in having a six-team competition? I don't think that the International Olympic Committee (IOC) will even approve this stupid plan. All of the Olympic sports have a well-defined qualification criteria, and they have geographic representation from all the continents. ICC's idea will be rejected outright (perhaps they want this, since they can use as an excuse).

Let's compare some of the sports in 2020 Tokyo Olympics:

Football: 16 participants (all except hosts need to play qualifying tournament), 12 for the women's tournament.
Baseball: 6 participants (all except hosts need to play qualifying tournament)
Basketball: 12 participants (all except hosts need to play qualifying tournament)
Field hockey: 12 participants (all except hosts need to play qualifying tournament)
Handball: 12 participants (all except hosts need to play qualifying tournament)
Rugby Sevens: 12 participants (all except hosts need to play qualifying tournament)
Softball: 6 participants (all except hosts need to play qualifying tournament)
Volleyball: 12 participants (all except hosts need to play qualifying tournament)

As you can see, only baseball and softball are the items with less than 12 participants. And in any case, all the participants need to take part in the qualifying tournament. The idea of a qualifying tournament will be unpalatable for the ICC.

I checked the ICC proposal:
https://www.timesnownews.com/sports/cricket/cricket-set-for-olympic-return-icc-propose-6-team-men-and-women-tournament-for-la-2028-reports-article-95624067

They don't want qualifying tournament, and want teams to qualify based on their own ranking. This proposal will be rejected outright by the IOC.

[JSRAW]

Ha! 6 teams, well let's see.  

Just defeats the whole purpose. What is the point in having a six-team competition? I don't think that the International Olympic Committee (IOC) will even approve this stupid plan. All of the Olympic sports have a well-defined qualification criteria, and they have geographic representation from all the continents. ICC's idea will be rejected outright (perhaps they want this, since they can use as an excuse).

Let's compare some of the sports in 2020 Tokyo Olympics:

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As you can see, only baseball and softball are the items with less than 12 participants. And in any case, all the participants need to take part in the qualifying tournament. The idea of a qualifying tournament will be unpalatable for the ICC.

I checked the ICC proposal:
https://www.timesnownews.com/sports/cricket/cricket-set-for-olympic-return-icc-propose-6-team-men-and-women-tournament-for-la-2028-reports-article-95624067

They don't want qualifying tournament, and want teams to qualify based on their own ranking. This proposal will be rejected outright by the IOC.

Ofc this proposal is ridiculous but hey at least it's moving forward and not going backward, so I'm optimistic.

I actually hate ICC's behavior on the qualification process, it's just flowed idea that they keep doing this on a rank basis and seriously I don't have any expectations from them as far as ICC tournaments are concern but IOC has power so there is some hope for Olymic qualification.

[Sithara007]

Ofc this proposal is ridiculous but hey at least it's moving forward and not going backward, so I'm optimistic.

I actually hate ICC's behavior on the qualification process, it's just flowed idea that they keep doing this on a rank basis and seriously I don't have any expectations from them as far as ICC tournaments are concern but IOC has power so there is some hope for Olymic qualification.

Their ranking system is a big joke. Namibia is placed in no.14 on the rankings table, but they have never played against Bangladesh, who are at no.9. Then how can the associate nations move up the table? Even for sports such as baseball, the IOC has the requirement of a qualifying tournament. I don't think that they will waive that for cricket. The ICC administrators are still living in their la la land. They believe that the IOC needs them more than the other way around. And we are talking about a sport, that is no.1 only in a few countries in South Asia.

[vvikkass]

Ofc this proposal is ridiculous but hey at least it's moving forward and not going backward, so I'm optimistic.

I actually hate ICC's behavior on the qualification process, it's just flowed idea that they keep doing this on a rank basis and seriously I don't have any expectations from them as far as ICC tournaments are concern but IOC has power so there is some hope for Olymic qualification.

Their ranking system is a big joke. Namibia is placed in no.14 on the rankings table, but they have never played against Bangladesh, who are at no.9. Then how can the associate nations move up the table? Even for sports such as baseball, the IOC has the requirement of a qualifying tournament. I don't think that they will waive that for cricket. The ICC administrators are still living in their la la land. They believe that the IOC needs them more than the other way around. And we are talking about a sport, that is no.1 only in a few countries in South Asia.

As long as you don't bring more countries to cricket this whole system will be a big joke. We have a cricket world cup of 10 teams, do you think that's not a joke? ICC administration only care about interest of Big 3 and IPL since thats where money is coming from, rest are not on there priority list.

[ZAINmalik75]

It remains to be seen how Pakistan cricket has improved during his tenure. Whatever the cricket board chairman says irrelevantly. But it is true that even though Pakistan cricket has improved, Ramij Raja is viewed negatively by many in the cricketing world. Because there is some differences in his speech. After all we want every country's cricket to thrive and conduct cricket with honesty and integrity. As a result at least cricket will improve.

No doubt we have too many positive changes after arrival of Ramiz Raja as President of PCB even till very long way to go for them if they want to be bigger and stable in this game and around the world but still good approach by him for handling things which was never been good and favourable for the long term games future but as few already mentioning above positive and negative points of this post and attitude this is surely happening in subcontinent specially in Pakistan because system is not strong and many form cricketers which fail to have any post or contract with leagues can also show their frustration even they never deserve for this post, but they feel it's not justifying by them hopefully things will be changed, and they could be able to understand this all.

Pakistan has emerged as a strongest team in the world in almost 2 3 years and hard work is obvious in that . Definitely there is a role of PCB in that too from finding these great talented boys and polish them to bring the best out of them. Everything is clear and transparent so just appreciate things right now and look at the positive side of the picture.

Pakistan works hard to develop players that's why we see so many good quality players in Pakistan. But I think Pakistan has many good quality players but it took them a long time to develop these players. But their players play very nice game.  Almost every match we don't go.Pakistan are cool players.

Yeh absolutely right Pakistan work too hard to get geniuenly strong and talented player and due to these reasons Pakistan organize Pakistan Super League (PSL) and due to this league Pakistan got new rising start like Haris Rauf , Shaheen Afridi, Naseem, M.Haris, Haider, and many other and the good thing is that huge young talent are on the way due to Pakistan Junior League (PJL) where PCB are in search of young gem which will raised under the strong coaching staff.
Soon Pakistan will be improve more then now

[darewaller]

Their ranking system is a big joke. Namibia is placed in no.14 on the rankings table, but they have never played against Bangladesh, who are at no.9. Then how can the associate nations move up the table? Even for sports such as baseball, the IOC has the requirement of a qualifying tournament. I don't think that they will waive that for cricket. The ICC administrators are still living in their la la land. They believe that the IOC needs them more than the other way around. And we are talking about a sport, that is no.1 only in a few countries in South Asia.

As we already talk many times about ICC and their system which is completely joked they never think to improve quality of the game and never work on any other improvement which bring them as better sports organization which is surely one of the worst thing happening around here for long time which is surely going to be problem for them even they never feel about this now it's time for having few changes like introducing tier system for ODI and T20i which give all teams to play against each other for the time span one or two years which help to improve quality and this system surely give better idea about progress of the game.

With right now many countries are trying to join this T20i format surely this will create more interest and entertainment for the fans with financial mindset will also change specially now as we are having USA which is also going to start their own franchise league system surely big improvement for them game in near future.

[Sithara007]

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With right now many countries are trying to join this T20i format surely this will create more interest and entertainment for the fans with financial mindset will also change specially now as we are having USA which is also going to start their own franchise league system surely big improvement for them game in near future.

USA is the blue-eyed boy of the ICC. Every year the ICC showers the USACA with millions of USD in funds, hoping that one day they will get some returns out of it. And the USACA uses this money to attract former players from West Indies and South Africa to play for their "national" team. The ICC even provided automatic qualification for the United States for the next edition of the T20 world cup. And despite all the dramatics, the popularity of cricket within the US has remained confined to the expat population. The natives have baseball, and they are not interested in cricket.

[savetheFORUM]

USA is the blue-eyed boy of the ICC. Every year the ICC showers the USACA with millions of USD in funds, hoping that one day they will get some returns out of it. And the USACA uses this money to attract former players from West Indies and South Africa to play for their "national" team. The ICC even provided automatic qualification for the United States for the next edition of the T20 world cup. And despite all the dramatics, the popularity of cricket within the US has remained confined to the expat population. The natives have baseball, and they are not interested in cricket.

Here I agreed with you about this all but in the USA we have big communities from India, Bangladesh, Pakistan and few other cricket loving countries which can help in this case and this game can go on good way even it's not easy, but ICC is investing in this market which is surely good for this region specially while we are losing grounds in West Indies and most chances in next few years we will be on decline due to conflict between players and WICB which is doing no positive development for the game and having increase their talent base and bring back some better things for this game.

Natives are surely not take this all easily because they already have strong based in Baseball, Football and Basketball which is doing amazing progress and having very strong grassroots in this all region.

[laurenB7742]

USA is the blue-eyed boy of the ICC. Every year the ICC showers the USACA with millions of USD in funds, hoping that one day they will get some returns out of it. And the USACA uses this money to attract former players from West Indies and South Africa to play for their "national" team. The ICC even provided automatic qualification for the United States for the next edition of the T20 world cup. And despite all the dramatics, the popularity of cricket within the US has remained confined to the expat population. The natives have baseball, and they are not interested in cricket.

If the USA starts playing cricket more seriously, ICC is going to benefit a lot from them because looking at the USA, a lot of other countries are also going to be very interested in cricket. But that is not happening. The USA is just here because ICC is giving them a shitload of money. Those types of money are not even being given to the top-tier African teams. And the USA is getting that money for free. I wouldn’t have any problem with this type of money actually including the popularity of cricket in the USA. But that did not happen either.

Here I agreed with you about this all but in the USA we have big communities from India, Bangladesh, Pakistan and few other cricket loving countries which can help in this case and this game can go on good way even it's not easy, but ICC is investing in this market which is surely good for this region specially while we are losing grounds in West Indies and most chances in next few years we will be on decline due to conflict between players and WICB which is doing no positive development for the game and having increase their talent base and bring back some better things for this game.

Natives are surely not take this all easily because they already have strong based in Baseball, Football and Basketball which is doing amazing progress and having very strong grassroots in this all region.

The problem is, they are playing with players from the subcontinent. If they were serious about cricket, which I don’t think they are, they would have played with native players. At least that would have tried to make a team that is mostly made out of native players. And they would have also searched for players throughout some talent hunt.

[noormcs5]

It remains to be seen how Pakistan cricket has improved during his tenure. Whatever the cricket board chairman says irrelevantly. But it is true that even though Pakistan cricket has improved, Ramij Raja is viewed negatively by many in the cricketing world. Because there is some differences in his speech. After all we want every country's cricket to thrive and conduct cricket with honesty and integrity. As a result at least cricket will improve.

No doubt we have too many positive changes after arrival of Ramiz Raja as President of PCB even till very long way to go for them if they want to be bigger and stable in this game and around the world but still good approach by him for handling things which was never been good and favourable for the long term games future but as few already mentioning above positive and negative points of this post and attitude this is surely happening in subcontinent specially in Pakistan because system is not strong and many form cricketers which fail to have any post or contract with leagues can also show their frustration even they never deserve for this post, but they feel it's not justifying by them hopefully things will be changed, and they could be able to understand this all.

Pakistan has emerged as a strongest team in the world in almost 2 3 years and hard work is obvious in that . Definitely there is a role of PCB in that too from finding these great talented boys and polish them to bring the best out of them. Everything is clear and transparent so just appreciate things right now and look at the positive side of the picture.

How do you say that Pakistan is the strongest team in recent few years when they are not able to win a major ICC tournament recently? Even if in their home series they lost to England by 4-3 in the seven T20 games series.

Yes, I agree that the Pakistan team possesses some greatest talent in batting and bowling but when it comes to the overall performance of the team, they lack consistency, and hence they are unable to win the series and tournaments.

[dezoel]

How do you say that Pakistan is the strongest team in recent few years when they are not able to win a major ICC tournament recently? Even if in their home series they lost to England by 4-3 in the seven T20 games series.

Yes, I agree that the Pakistan team possesses some greatest talent in batting and bowling but when it comes to the overall performance of the team, they lack consistency, and hence they are unable to win the series and tournaments.

Saying Pakistan is the strongest side not good they are just good and exciting side which is unpredictable and can give any result on their day like on first day they are losing against Zimbabwe then on next day they can beat team like South Africa which is their best part they have few quality bowlers and batsmen but still they have never been ideal unit due to their unpredictable nature and poor management which is long term issue with them most of the players having issue with non issues things which never solved.

Recently I watch social media and YouTube there was too much noise about their World Cup selection and now again team which is going to compete against England for the test series but no one caring about this all because mostly things happen just for some attention on media.

[JSRAW]

How do you say that Pakistan is the strongest team in recent few years when they are not able to win a major ICC tournament recently? Even if in their home series they lost to England by 4-3 in the seven T20 games series.

Yes, I agree that the Pakistan team possesses some greatest talent in batting and bowling but when it comes to the overall performance of the team, they lack consistency, and hence they are unable to win the series and tournaments.

I believe he might be talking about T-20 performance only. 

IMO They are an excellent T-20 side but okay in ODI and average in the Red ball cricket. @dezoel mentioned the keyword unpredictable and I tend to agree with this term that they are a highly unpredictable team and for this reason, they are exciting even when they play poor cricket.

[Juggy777]

How do you say that Pakistan is the strongest team in recent few years when they are not able to win a major ICC tournament recently? Even if in their home series they lost to England by 4-3 in the seven T20 games series.

Yes, I agree that the Pakistan team possesses some greatest talent in batting and bowling but when it comes to the overall performance of the team, they lack consistency, and hence they are unable to win the series and tournaments.

I believe he might be talking about T-20 performance only.  

IMO They are an excellent T-20 side but okay in ODI and average in the Red ball cricket. @dezoel mentioned the keyword unpredictable and I tend to agree with this term that they are a highly unpredictable team and for this reason, they are exciting even when they play poor cricket.

@JSRAW I too agree that they’re really unpredictable because all had expected them to crash out early in the T20 World Cup, but they managed to reach the finals surprising all including their fan’s. However they do have the potential to become one of the strongest team, but for that their player’s need to have a better mentality because at time’s they just tend to give up way to easily.

[Sithara007]

If the USA starts playing cricket more seriously, ICC is going to benefit a lot from them because looking at the USA, a lot of other countries are also going to be very interested in cricket. But that is not happening. The USA is just here because ICC is giving them a shitload of money. Those types of money are not even being given to the top-tier African teams. And the USA is getting that money for free. I wouldn’t have any problem with this type of money actually including the popularity of cricket in the USA. But that did not happen either.

Back in 2000, Jag Mohan Dalmiya (then president of the ICC) announced that he will make the United States as a priority market for cricket expansion. More than two decades have passed, and there has been no growth at the grassroot levels. US team is entirely made up of former U-19 and first class cricketers from India, Pakistan and West Indies. And the USACA is one of the most corrupt cricket boards in the word. Over the years, more hundreds of millions of USD in funds were provided by the ICC, and most of this remains untraced and unaccounted.

[coinism]

Back in 2000, Jag Mohan Dalmiya (then president of the ICC) announced that he will make the United States as a priority market for cricket expansion. More than two decades have passed, and there has been no growth at the grassroot levels. US team is entirely made up of former U-19 and first class cricketers from India, Pakistan and West Indies. And the USACA is one of the most corrupt cricket boards in the word. Over the years, more hundreds of millions of USD in funds were provided by the ICC, and most of this remains untraced and unaccounted.

On one side ICC is giving boards like usa millions of usd for cricket development with no progress while countries which have huge potential for cricket are ignored by ICC like Kenya. The focus should be on countries where there are native players who play cricket not countries like UAE, Oman thay make up team of expats.

[Sithara007]

Back in 2000, Jag Mohan Dalmiya (then president of the ICC) announced that he will make the United States as a priority market for cricket expansion. More than two decades have passed, and there has been no growth at the grassroot levels. US team is entirely made up of former U-19 and first class cricketers from India, Pakistan and West Indies. And the USACA is one of the most corrupt cricket boards in the word. Over the years, more hundreds of millions of USD in funds were provided by the ICC, and most of this remains untraced and unaccounted.

On one side ICC is giving boards like usa millions of usd for cricket development with no progress while countries which have huge potential for cricket are ignored by ICC like Kenya. The focus should be on countries where there are native players who play cricket not countries like UAE, Oman thay make up team of expats.

Who will tell the ICC? I am not expecting any big changes for the next cycle (2024-31) as well. It pains me that what happened to Kenya is repeating with other associates as well. BTW, the African qualifiers for the next T20 World Cup are ongoing right now. A total of 16 teams are taking part and almost all of them are majority native. I enjoyed watching some of the matches in Fancode. The overall quality shows a continuous improvement. Some of the newcomers such as Mali and Seychelles are struggling, but I am sure that they will also catch up.

[laurenB7742]

Back in 2000, Jag Mohan Dalmiya (then president of the ICC) announced that he will make the United States as a priority market for cricket expansion. More than two decades have passed, and there has been no growth at the grassroot levels. US team is entirely made up of former U-19 and first class cricketers from India, Pakistan and West Indies. And the USACA is one of the most corrupt cricket boards in the word. Over the years, more hundreds of millions of USD in funds were provided by the ICC, and most of this remains untraced and unaccounted.

On one side ICC is giving boards like usa millions of usd for cricket development with no progress while countries which have huge potential for cricket are ignored by ICC like Kenya. The focus should be on countries where there are native players who play cricket not countries like UAE, Oman thay make up team of expats.

Can anyone explain to me why this is happening? I really have no idea why the ICC is still funding them. There is no point in doing that because they are not improving at all in my opinion. They are just taking the money and doing who knows what. I don't think this money is actually being used for the improvement of cricket in the USA.

Who will tell the ICC? I am not expecting any big changes for the next cycle (2024-31) as well. It pains me that what happened to Kenya is repeating with other associates as well. BTW, the African qualifiers for the next T20 World Cup are ongoing right now. A total of 16 teams are taking part and almost all of them are majority native. I enjoyed watching some of the matches in Fancode. The overall quality shows a continuous improvement. Some of the newcomers such as Mali and Seychelles are struggling, but I am sure that they will also catch up.

Obviously, no one is in a position to speak anything to the ICC. Any board that wishes to address the ICC has to be one of the top 4 boards. Umm, but they are not intending to do that. And if any smaller cricket board decides to say anything, they are not going to be heard of by the ICC. Cricket has been played for a long time. But it's a shame that we still have to see a cricket world cup being played by only 12-16 teams.

[noormcs5]

How do you say that Pakistan is the strongest team in recent few years when they are not able to win a major ICC tournament recently? Even if in their home series they lost to England by 4-3 in the seven T20 games series.

Yes, I agree that the Pakistan team possesses some greatest talent in batting and bowling but when it comes to the overall performance of the team, they lack consistency, and hence they are unable to win the series and tournaments.

Saying Pakistan is the strongest side not good they are just good and exciting side which is unpredictable and can give any result on their day like on first day they are losing against Zimbabwe then on next day they can beat team like South Africa which is their best part they have few quality bowlers and batsmen but still they have never been ideal unit due to their unpredictable nature and poor management which is long term issue with them most of the players having issue with non issues things which never solved.

Recently I watch social media and YouTube there was too much noise about their World Cup selection and now again team which is going to compete against England for the test series but no one caring about this all because mostly things happen just for some attention on media.

I would say that people create too much hype about the Pakistan team's performances when I don't see any consistency in the team. Without any consistency how can one think that they are a good cricketing nation 

@JSRAW I too agree that they’re really unpredictable because all had expected them to crash out early in the T20 World Cup, but they managed to reach the finals surprising all including their fan’s. However they do have the potential to become one of the strongest team, but for that their player’s need to have a better mentality because at time’s they just tend to give up way to easily.

Don't you think that their unpredictable nature makes it extremely difficult to bet on the matches in which the Pakistan team is playing? I already had a bad experience as I lost some significant money while betting against them 
Now I avoid betting on their matches.