[ESHOP launched] Trezor: Bitcoin hardware wallet

[TwinWinNerD]

Is there are thread on here that discusses the use of this wallet?  There is no trezor forum or anything like that, right?   I purchased one (and I am waiting for it to arrive), but I am anticipating having some questions about using it.   I literally don't know anyone else personally that uses BTC or Trezor...

there's a User manual, we are still working on it but it describes the main features and usage already:
http://doc.satoshilabs.com/trezor-user/index.html

some few FAQ's - will be added
http://doc.satoshilabs.com/trezor-faq/index.html

a new trezor subreddit where you can get fast answers as well
http://www.reddit.com/r/TREZOR/

+ you can ask here, no problem

or contact our support anytime support@bitcointrezor.com

Thanks, I appreciate it.   It works with all of the bitcoin clients or do I have to use a specific wallet i.e. Bitcoin Core, electrum, etc?

Sorry to hijack the thread

Only works with the website atm: mytrezor.com

will soon work with electrum, armory and multibit (iirc)

[cor]

Is there are thread on here that discusses the use of this wallet?  There is no trezor forum or anything like that, right?   I purchased one (and I am waiting for it to arrive), but I am anticipating having some questions about using it.   I literally don't know anyone else personally that uses BTC or Trezor...

there's a User manual, we are still working on it but it describes the main features and usage already:
http://doc.satoshilabs.com/trezor-user/index.html

some few FAQ's - will be added
http://doc.satoshilabs.com/trezor-faq/index.html

a new trezor subreddit where you can get fast answers as well
http://www.reddit.com/r/TREZOR/

+ you can ask here, no problem

or contact our support anytime support@bitcointrezor.com

Thanks, I appreciate it.   It works with all of the bitcoin clients or do I have to use a specific wallet i.e. Bitcoin Core, electrum, etc?

Sorry to hijack the thread

this is a copypaste from slush's reply on http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2cf6z7/buytrezorcom_trezor_now_available_for_purchase/

What wallets support Trezor?

• myTREZOR (our login-free web wallet)
• Electrum (currently there's Electrum fork, but devs confirmed that they'll accept it to Electrum's mainline).
• Multibit HD confirmed their work, they already have some integration done.
• Armory devs confirmed their work on Trezor integration
• GreenAddress.it has already some integration done (see https://twitter.com/GreenAddress/status/479939415088062464)
• Wallet32 Andoid app confirmed their work on Trezor integration
• Blockchain.info raised their interest in Trezor as well, although we're in early stage there.

[keithers]

Is there are thread on here that discusses the use of this wallet?  There is no trezor forum or anything like that, right?   I purchased one (and I am waiting for it to arrive), but I am anticipating having some questions about using it.   I literally don't know anyone else personally that uses BTC or Trezor...

there's a User manual, we are still working on it but it describes the main features and usage already:
http://doc.satoshilabs.com/trezor-user/index.html

some few FAQ's - will be added
http://doc.satoshilabs.com/trezor-faq/index.html

a new trezor subreddit where you can get fast answers as well
http://www.reddit.com/r/TREZOR/

+ you can ask here, no problem

or contact our support anytime support@bitcointrezor.com

Thanks, I appreciate it.   It works with all of the bitcoin clients or do I have to use a specific wallet i.e. Bitcoin Core, electrum, etc?

Sorry to hijack the thread

Only works with the website atm: mytrezor.com

will soon work with electrum, armory and multibit (iirc)

ok cool...I guess I will use mytrezor.com...I need to start a new couple wallets anyway...

[devthedev]

Do you guys have an estimate about how long shipping to Florida should take?

[grau]

What wallets support Trezor?

• myTREZOR (our login-free web wallet)
• Electrum (currently there's Electrum fork, but devs confirmed that they'll accept it to Electrum's mainline).
• Multibit HD confirmed their work, they already have some integration done.
• Armory devs confirmed their work on Trezor integration
• GreenAddress.it has already some integration done (see https://twitter.com/GreenAddress/status/479939415088062464)
• Wallet32 Andoid app confirmed their work on Trezor integration
• Blockchain.info raised their interest in Trezor as well, although we're in early stage there.

Just for the records: myTREZOR is enabled by Bits of Proof, beating them all by at least a half a year and counting.

[cor]

What wallets support Trezor?

• myTREZOR (our login-free web wallet)
• Electrum (currently there's Electrum fork, but devs confirmed that they'll accept it to Electrum's mainline).
• Multibit HD confirmed their work, they already have some integration done.
• Armory devs confirmed their work on Trezor integration
• GreenAddress.it has already some integration done (see https://twitter.com/GreenAddress/status/479939415088062464)
• Wallet32 Andoid app confirmed their work on Trezor integration
• Blockchain.info raised their interest in Trezor as well, although we're in early stage there.

Just for the records: myTREZOR is enabled by Bits of Proof, beating them all by at least a half a year and counting.

credit well deserved: BoP does all the miracle of showing your transactions in mytrezor and transmitting the signed tx to the blockchain.
thx BudaPest

[Anon136]

I asked this question ages ago but i dont think anyone ever responded to it. I think its still a good question so ill ask again.

To make an analogy. If trezor is a male condom, have you guys put any thought into developing a female condom? That is to say, people who use a trezor are completely safe from having their bitcoins stolen, but what about the risk to the merchant when you plug your trezor into his system? Have you put any thought into developing a devise for merchants that would allow customers to plug their trezor into the merchants system with out any risk of a fake trezor compromising the merchant's security?

[DannyElfman]

I asked this question ages ago but i dont think anyone ever responded to it. I think its still a good question so ill ask again.

To make an analogy. If trezor is a male condom, have you guys put any thought into developing a female condom? That is to say, people who use a trezor are completely safe from having their bitcoins stolen, but what about the risk to the merchant when you plug your trezor into his system? Have you put any thought into developing a devise for merchants that would allow customers to plug their trezor into the merchants system with out any risk of a fake trezor compromising the merchant's security?

I don't think trezor is for POS terminals. Atleast that is how I understand it.

[Anon136]

I asked this question ages ago but i dont think anyone ever responded to it. I think its still a good question so ill ask again.

To make an analogy. If trezor is a male condom, have you guys put any thought into developing a female condom? That is to say, people who use a trezor are completely safe from having their bitcoins stolen, but what about the risk to the merchant when you plug your trezor into his system? Have you put any thought into developing a devise for merchants that would allow customers to plug their trezor into the merchants system with out any risk of a fake trezor compromising the merchant's security?

I don't think trezor is for POS terminals. Atleast that is how I understand it.

Well as it is no. That would be way to much risk to the terminals to plug god knows what into their systems. But with such a devise as was described above, they could be.

[DannyElfman]

I asked this question ages ago but i dont think anyone ever responded to it. I think its still a good question so ill ask again.

To make an analogy. If trezor is a male condom, have you guys put any thought into developing a female condom? That is to say, people who use a trezor are completely safe from having their bitcoins stolen, but what about the risk to the merchant when you plug your trezor into his system? Have you put any thought into developing a devise for merchants that would allow customers to plug their trezor into the merchants system with out any risk of a fake trezor compromising the merchant's security?

I don't think trezor is for POS terminals. Atleast that is how I understand it.

Well as it is no. That would be way to much risk to the terminals to plug god knows what into their systems. But with such a devise as was described above, they could be.

Could be implemented yes, but do you really think TREZOR will reach such an adoption that it will be neccessary?

[klokan]

I asked this question ages ago but i dont think anyone ever responded to it. I think its still a good question so ill ask again.

To make an analogy. If trezor is a male condom, have you guys put any thought into developing a female condom? That is to say, people who use a trezor are completely safe from having their bitcoins stolen, but what about the risk to the merchant when you plug your trezor into his system? Have you put any thought into developing a devise for merchants that would allow customers to plug their trezor into the merchants system with out any risk of a fake trezor compromising the merchant's security?

I don't think trezor is for POS terminals. Atleast that is how I understand it.

Well as it is no. That would be way to much risk to the terminals to plug god knows what into their systems. But with such a devise as was described above, they could be.

Keeping the Trezor interface simple (which it is now) is the best tool for merchant protection. It allows them to easily verify all the messages the connected device is sending to them. You can't do much more than that. That is of course, unless you want to work on your own POS terminal and sell them the entire solution.

It seems to me, that the Trezor team's priority for now is to get in the business of secure authentication and message encryption and not into the POS terminal business.

[Anon136]

I asked this question ages ago but i dont think anyone ever responded to it. I think its still a good question so ill ask again.

To make an analogy. If trezor is a male condom, have you guys put any thought into developing a female condom? That is to say, people who use a trezor are completely safe from having their bitcoins stolen, but what about the risk to the merchant when you plug your trezor into his system? Have you put any thought into developing a devise for merchants that would allow customers to plug their trezor into the merchants system with out any risk of a fake trezor compromising the merchant's security?

I don't think trezor is for POS terminals. Atleast that is how I understand it.

Well as it is no. That would be way to much risk to the terminals to plug god knows what into their systems. But with such a devise as was described above, they could be.

Could be implemented yes, but do you really think TREZOR will reach such an adoption that it will be neccessary?

Hard to say. Clearly it is not the case that it would be worth it now. Im just wondering if its on their radar.

It would be even easier than say credit cards. If you had one that was more analogous to your wallet than your savings account you could run it without a pin. Then you could just stick the trezor in a slot and press send if the amount was correct. It could literally be accomplished from start to finish in 2 seconds. Then you add to that all of the other advantages of bitcoin over credit cards. It could really illustrate the value proposition of bitcoin.

[DannyElfman]

I asked this question ages ago but i dont think anyone ever responded to it. I think its still a good question so ill ask again.

To make an analogy. If trezor is a male condom, have you guys put any thought into developing a female condom? That is to say, people who use a trezor are completely safe from having their bitcoins stolen, but what about the risk to the merchant when you plug your trezor into his system? Have you put any thought into developing a devise for merchants that would allow customers to plug their trezor into the merchants system with out any risk of a fake trezor compromising the merchant's security?

I don't think trezor is for POS terminals. Atleast that is how I understand it.

Well as it is no. That would be way to much risk to the terminals to plug god knows what into their systems. But with such a devise as was described above, they could be.

Could be implemented yes, but do you really think TREZOR will reach such an adoption that it will be neccessary?

Hard to say. Clearly it is not the case that it would be worth it now. Im just wondering if its on their radar.

It would be even easier than say credit cards. If you had one that was more analogous to your wallet than your savings account you could run it without a pin. Then you could just stick the trezor in a slot and press send if the amount was correct. It could literally be accomplished from start to finish in 2 seconds. Then you add to that all of the other advantages of bitcoin over credit cards. It could really illustrate the value proposition of bitcoin.

You would still need the PIN code. Don't really know if this would be faster.

Interesting nontheless.

[klondike_bar]

I asked this question ages ago but i dont think anyone ever responded to it. I think its still a good question so ill ask again.

To make an analogy. If trezor is a male condom, have you guys put any thought into developing a female condom? That is to say, people who use a trezor are completely safe from having their bitcoins stolen, but what about the risk to the merchant when you plug your trezor into his system? Have you put any thought into developing a devise for merchants that would allow customers to plug their trezor into the merchants system with out any risk of a fake trezor compromising the merchant's security?

I don't think trezor is for POS terminals. Atleast that is how I understand it.

Well as it is no. That would be way to much risk to the terminals to plug god knows what into their systems. But with such a devise as was described above, they could be.

Could be implemented yes, but do you really think TREZOR will reach such an adoption that it will be neccessary?

In its current form - no.

but 5 years down the road, an RFID version would be entirely acceptable using a slightly different protocol than the in/out of USB

[DannyElfman]

I asked this question ages ago but i dont think anyone ever responded to it. I think its still a good question so ill ask again.

To make an analogy. If trezor is a male condom, have you guys put any thought into developing a female condom? That is to say, people who use a trezor are completely safe from having their bitcoins stolen, but what about the risk to the merchant when you plug your trezor into his system? Have you put any thought into developing a devise for merchants that would allow customers to plug their trezor into the merchants system with out any risk of a fake trezor compromising the merchant's security?

I don't think trezor is for POS terminals. Atleast that is how I understand it.

Well as it is no. That would be way to much risk to the terminals to plug god knows what into their systems. But with such a devise as was described above, they could be.

Could be implemented yes, but do you really think TREZOR will reach such an adoption that it will be neccessary?

In its current form - no.

but 5 years down the road, an RFID version would be entirely acceptable using a slightly different protocol than the in/out of USB

Sounds better, but then we will even more need the PIN or PW, because of obvious reasons

TREZOR 2.0 would then need some kind of num pad

[Anon136]

I asked this question ages ago but i dont think anyone ever responded to it. I think its still a good question so ill ask again.

To make an analogy. If trezor is a male condom, have you guys put any thought into developing a female condom? That is to say, people who use a trezor are completely safe from having their bitcoins stolen, but what about the risk to the merchant when you plug your trezor into his system? Have you put any thought into developing a devise for merchants that would allow customers to plug their trezor into the merchants system with out any risk of a fake trezor compromising the merchant's security?

I don't think trezor is for POS terminals. Atleast that is how I understand it.

Well as it is no. That would be way to much risk to the terminals to plug god knows what into their systems. But with such a devise as was described above, they could be.

Could be implemented yes, but do you really think TREZOR will reach such an adoption that it will be neccessary?

In its current form - no.

but 5 years down the road, an RFID version would be entirely acceptable using a slightly different protocol than the in/out of USB

Sounds better, but then we will even more need the PIN or PW, because of obvious reasons

TREZOR 2.0 would then need some kind of num pad

There is no clear reason to need a pin if we are not talking about huge amounts of money. I mean I dont have to enter a pin to hand someone cash. None the less i have never yet had cash stolen from me.

[DannyElfman]

I asked this question ages ago but i dont think anyone ever responded to it. I think its still a good question so ill ask again.

To make an analogy. If trezor is a male condom, have you guys put any thought into developing a female condom? That is to say, people who use a trezor are completely safe from having their bitcoins stolen, but what about the risk to the merchant when you plug your trezor into his system? Have you put any thought into developing a devise for merchants that would allow customers to plug their trezor into the merchants system with out any risk of a fake trezor compromising the merchant's security?

I don't think trezor is for POS terminals. Atleast that is how I understand it.

Well as it is no. That would be way to much risk to the terminals to plug god knows what into their systems. But with such a devise as was described above, they could be.

Could be implemented yes, but do you really think TREZOR will reach such an adoption that it will be neccessary?

In its current form - no.

but 5 years down the road, an RFID version would be entirely acceptable using a slightly different protocol than the in/out of USB

Sounds better, but then we will even more need the PIN or PW, because of obvious reasons

TREZOR 2.0 would then need some kind of num pad

There is no clear reason to need a pin if we are not talking about huge amounts of money. I mean I dont have to enter a pin to hand someone cash. None the less i have never yet had cash stolen from me.

That would be true if there was a mechanism that would prevent repeated charges. Afaik there is none at this moment. So if you find a TREZOR you could not steal much money at once, but with many small charges your could empty it pretty fast.

Correct me if I am wrong.

[Anon136]

I asked this question ages ago but i dont think anyone ever responded to it. I think its still a good question so ill ask again.

To make an analogy. If trezor is a male condom, have you guys put any thought into developing a female condom? That is to say, people who use a trezor are completely safe from having their bitcoins stolen, but what about the risk to the merchant when you plug your trezor into his system? Have you put any thought into developing a devise for merchants that would allow customers to plug their trezor into the merchants system with out any risk of a fake trezor compromising the merchant's security?

I don't think trezor is for POS terminals. Atleast that is how I understand it.

Well as it is no. That would be way to much risk to the terminals to plug god knows what into their systems. But with such a devise as was described above, they could be.

Could be implemented yes, but do you really think TREZOR will reach such an adoption that it will be neccessary?

In its current form - no.

but 5 years down the road, an RFID version would be entirely acceptable using a slightly different protocol than the in/out of USB

Sounds better, but then we will even more need the PIN or PW, because of obvious reasons

TREZOR 2.0 would then need some kind of num pad

There is no clear reason to need a pin if we are not talking about huge amounts of money. I mean I dont have to enter a pin to hand someone cash. None the less i have never yet had cash stolen from me.

That would be true if there was a mechanism that would prevent repeated charges. Afaik there is none at this moment. So if you find a TREZOR you could not steal much money at once, but with many small charges your could empty it pretty fast.

Correct me if I am wrong.

If someone finds your dollar bill laying around on the ground they can spend it. Dollar bills still work just fine. Dont give your trezor to anyone else, problem solved. If you lose it, oh well you only had 100 bucks on it or w/e is the analogue to what you might keep in your regular fiat holding wallet.

[DannyElfman]

If someone finds your dollar bill laying around on the ground they can spend it. Dollar bills still work just fine. Dont give your trezor to anyone else, problem solved. If you lose it, oh well you only had 100 bucks on it or w/e is the analogue to what you might keep in your regular fiat holding wallet.

You see, here I disagree. Why would anyone buy a trezor for 120 bucks to only carry an average of 100 bucks around. Doesn't sound too practical tbh.

[kkurtmann]

If someone finds your dollar bill laying around on the ground they can spend it. Dollar bills still work just fine. Dont give your trezor to anyone else, problem solved. If you lose it, oh well you only had 100 bucks on it or w/e is the analogue to what you might keep in your regular fiat holding wallet.

You see, here I disagree. Why would anyone buy a trezor for 120 bucks to only carry an average of 100 bucks around. Doesn't sound too practical tbh.

you are correct. this is not the intended use I believe. if you lose it, your life savings are protected as good as you protect the seed.