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Author Topic: Obyte: Totally new consensus algorithm + private untraceable payments  (Read 1219089 times)
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February 14, 2017, 07:04:00 PM
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Hi all, i have maybe stupid question.. but is there a way how to setup own 'private' byteball network, completely independend?
thx.

do you mean issuing your own private asset like blackbytes or starting a whole new DAG?

in short yes, somethink like this, mainly for learning purposes, beacause i think about some project and want to use standard 'blockcahin tech' and looking for something newer. But need some additional functionality, no interested in cloning..so need deeper understanding..

my suggestion is search for the word "genesis" in the github repository
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February 14, 2017, 07:07:50 PM
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If by "centralized 'mechanism'" you mean the fact that tonych control all 12 witnesses I'd say I don't think the mechanism of changing witnesses is somehow deactivate 'till the distribution is over.
I think it's in full blow validity and someone who present a very compelling argument to be one of the twelve witnesses could assume the role.
Now, tonych may have any number of reasons to be in this role, but one would be: the network had to start securely somewhere, and the other being: no one's showed up yet with the needed reputation and credibility.

Finally some voice of reason. I felt so lonely with my arguments among all "hodl, to the moon etc." mindless cheerleaders. Thanks for that. It would be nice to hear from tonych what is his plan (if any) for relinquishing control over witnesses and breaking down the current one man cartel. It's obvious that it's very early to talk about that but some plan needs to be outlined if the system is to be considered in the future something more than privately controlled currency by one man. It's so centralized at the moment that the wallet "decentralized value" slogan sounds like a joke.

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February 14, 2017, 08:02:22 PM
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If by "centralized 'mechanism'" you mean the fact that tonych control all 12 witnesses I'd say I don't think the mechanism of changing witnesses is somehow deactivate 'till the distribution is over.
I think it's in full blow validity and someone who present a very compelling argument to be one of the twelve witnesses could assume the role.
Now, tonych may have any number of reasons to be in this role, but one would be: the network had to start securely somewhere, and the other being: no one's showed up yet with the needed reputation and credibility.

Finally some voice of reason. I felt so lonely with my arguments among all "hodl, to the moon etc." mindless cheerleaders. Thanks for that. It would be nice to hear from tonych what is his plan (if any) for relinquishing control over witnesses and breaking down the current one man cartel. It's obvious that it's very early to talk about that but some plan needs to be outlined if the system is to be considered in the future something more than privately controlled currency by one man. It's so centralized at the moment that the wallet "decentralized value" slogan sounds like a joke.
You can even now begin using my witness.

Witness 7ULGTPFB72TOYA67YNGMX2Y445FSTL7O replaces UENJPVZ7HVHM6QGVGT6MWOJGGRTUTJXQ

Replace the one which is the last in current list which is UENJPVZ7HVHM6QGVGT6MWOJGGRTUTJXQ

This is intended actually to be a well run witness, it has been on for a while now, the keys are very safe, it is on good hardware. Just waiting to make a real announce of the witness together with witness-policy and my background and intent with this, and need to gather more technical experience.

Of course the primary intent to run witness is to gather fees, but for me, long-term this witness will actually distribute a percentage of its fees to Wikipedia and Free Software Foundation. Using this witness you would support these non-profit organizations. I got no connection to those orgs other than being donator and have been associate member of FSF.

Choose the witness above if you want simplicity, independence, and to support freedom of software and freedom to acquire knowledge. I am one man, but have no debts, political or religious affiliations, basically am unknown in the cryptopunk or finance world. My technical skills are solid, so if I come under government or crypto-nerd pressure I can do like thepiratebay, disappear but the witness and its keys will continue serving. To see these tech skills in action, I run a witness, several hubs, created the first asset after blackbytes (called First), and left a message for the wife in the DAG like strawman.  Cheesy
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February 14, 2017, 08:13:03 PM
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You can even now begin using my witness.

Witness 7ULGTPFB72TOYA67YNGMX2Y445FSTL7O replaces UENJPVZ7HVHM6QGVGT6MWOJGGRTUTJXQ

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Good joke. Or an attempt to offend us implying our average IQ is in single digits range.
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February 14, 2017, 08:20:27 PM
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You can even now begin using my witness.

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Good joke. Or an attempt to offend us implying our average IQ is in single digits range.
No offense meant. Yes, low activity, independence. Ive come to this thread due to this actually being Byteball news on the internet.

Do you have any other questions?
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February 14, 2017, 08:23:05 PM
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If by "centralized 'mechanism'" you mean the fact that tonych control all 12 witnesses I'd say I don't think the mechanism of changing witnesses is somehow deactivate 'till the distribution is over.
I think it's in full blow validity and someone who present a very compelling argument to be one of the twelve witnesses could assume the role.
Now, tonych may have any number of reasons to be in this role, but one would be: the network had to start securely somewhere, and the other being: no one's showed up yet with the needed reputation and credibility.

Finally some voice of reason. I felt so lonely with my arguments among all "hodl, to the moon etc." mindless cheerleaders. Thanks for that. It would be nice to hear from tonych what is his plan (if any) for relinquishing control over witnesses and breaking down the current one man cartel. It's obvious that it's very early to talk about that but some plan needs to be outlined if the system is to be considered in the future something more than privately controlled currency by one man. It's so centralized at the moment that the wallet "decentralized value" slogan sounds like a joke.

I think I wasn't able to to express myself appropriately as I certainly wasn't advocating any urge for "tonych to relinquishing control over" anything, much less "breaking down the current one man cartel" in anyway.
In fact, I think the current situation is heath and expected for this stage of the project, and changing witnesses to be risk at the moment (I, for one, won't do this). Byteball need to grow much more so it can resist attacks as I think byteball's decentralized qualities will manifest themselves incrementally while it grows (I am currently learning and can not fully back this claim up, but I can sense witnesses may provide unheard levels of decentralization, much greater than many here acknowledge).
Besides, as far as I know, tonych can't do anything if economy decide to change some witness, apart from offering new version of the software (open source) which s0mehow enforce the witnesses he prefers.  But then, he has to convince everyone to update to his version (admittedly very easy now as I think he, for the foreseen future, has much trust of the economy).
I guess, this puts me in the "mindless cheerleaders" category then Wink.
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February 14, 2017, 08:23:42 PM
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You can even now begin using my witness.

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Good joke. Or an attempt to offend us implying our average IQ is in single digits range.
Why dont you go and troll somewhere else.

I for one do not favor a bitcointalk legendary or super-status member to run a witness, such accounts can be bought, that doesnt mean the reputation follows, that portabella is such a newb is in his favor.

Portabella, I ran a witness but few wanted to use it. Good luck anyway. Added.
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February 14, 2017, 08:33:28 PM
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For the community, there is another Valentine gift  Smiley
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How many from Canada Wink ?!
Google does not provide absolute numbers. No idea - probably only one.
But canada is a whale area - everyone knows that  Grin Grin

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February 14, 2017, 08:35:50 PM
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Do you have any other questions?

Yes, if you don't have reputation on this forum, what reputation do you have?
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February 14, 2017, 08:37:27 PM
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Why dont you go and troll somewhere else.

Harmed much? Was it your sockpuppet?
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February 14, 2017, 09:01:17 PM
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Why dont you go and troll somewhere else.

Harmed much? Was it your sockpuppet?
I think you are harmed, by me. Since you are here jumping on every post I make, and now seeing sockpuppets. Dont you have anything better to do than stalking me?

Is it because you felt harmed when I asked about your little Iota project? Did I ask uncomfortable questions?  Kiss
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February 14, 2017, 09:05:01 PM
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Why dont you go and troll somewhere else.

Harmed much? Was it your sockpuppet?
I think you are harmed, by me. Since you are here jumping on every post I make, and now seeing sockpuppets. Dont you have anything better to do than stalking me?

Is it because you felt harmed when I asked about your little Iota project? Did I ask uncomfortable questions?  Kiss

hmm so what happened, i think i have been see you 2 guys here for a long time.
why not meet each other and have a talk? Smiley i can donate some byteball.
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February 14, 2017, 09:07:40 PM
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Why dont you go and troll somewhere else.

Harmed much? Was it your sockpuppet?
I think you are harmed, by me. Since you are here jumping on every post I make, and now seeing sockpuppets. Dont you have anything better to do than stalking me?

Is it because you felt harmed when I asked about your little Iota project? Did I ask uncomfortable questions?  Kiss

hmm so what happened, i think i have been see you 2 guys here for a long time.
why not meet each other and have a talk? Smiley i can donate some byteball.
Well, basically I asked uncomfortable questions about IOTA, and now the guy is following me around like a bad fart. It is annoying me.
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February 14, 2017, 09:09:27 PM
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byteball create some new technology, and the innovation is big.

i hope byteball can have a 200000BTC marketcap one day, because the innovation deserve it.



so 10000BTC first this month
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February 14, 2017, 09:11:54 PM
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I think you are harmed, by me. Since you are here jumping on every post I make, and now seeing sockpuppets.

Most of your posts look very suspicious. This harms me because I don't like con artists.
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February 14, 2017, 09:14:12 PM
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39   Byteball Byteball   $7,186,180   $71.86   100,000 GBYTE *   $111,266   25.55%

1GB is too expensive, maybe change the unit to MB, then 1MB=0.0071$

if we do the change, it will be good for byteball to get more users.

so 80$ this week

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February 14, 2017, 09:15:16 PM
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Is it because you felt harmed when I asked about your little Iota project? Did I ask uncomfortable questions?  Kiss

No. Your questions were obvious trolling, I followed your previous posts and noticed a lot of red flags in this thread that made me suspect you are preparing https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confidence_trick. Now I'm paying increased attention to your posts.
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February 14, 2017, 09:20:04 PM
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it's good for byteball activity.. any way.

but want to hear more about DAG algorithm or Byteball tech stuff. not just dislike each other.

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February 14, 2017, 09:22:22 PM
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Why dont you go and troll somewhere else.

Harmed much? Was it your sockpuppet?
I think you are harmed, by me. Since you are here jumping on every post I make, and now seeing sockpuppets. Dont you have anything better to do than stalking me?

Is it because you felt harmed when I asked about your little Iota project? Did I ask uncomfortable questions?  Kiss

hmm so what happened, i think i have been see you 2 guys here for a long time.
why not meet each other and have a talk? Smiley i can donate some byteball.
Well, basically I asked uncomfortable questions about IOTA, and now the guy is following me around like a bad fart. It is annoying me.

Ignore button is right there, under his name.

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February 14, 2017, 09:24:19 PM
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Is it because you felt harmed when I asked about your little Iota project? Did I ask uncomfortable questions?  Kiss

No. Your questions were obvious trolling, I followed your previous posts and noticed a lot of red flags in this thread that made me suspect you are preparing https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confidence_trick. Now I'm paying increased attention to your posts.
Just leave me alone dude, I asked as technical as I could and other people agreed with concerns, let these readers make up their own mind if it was trolling or not. Read the IOTA Unmoderated thread. Besides your own domsch offered some kind peace, then the other guy called me geriatric alcoholic or something, Ive had enough of you Iota people.

Im not out to get you or anyone, in fact, as I said before, I do not even give a shit about you.

But you are spamming this thread, and you are ruining it for the rest of the people when you begin these pity fights with me, instead of staying on focus and not threatening and spreading distrust.

Are you the king of bitcointalk, your legendary status, does that mean new comers must lick your balls and ask your permission before being allowed to talk in peace? OK, All hail king dictator for life Come-froom-Beyond all knowledgable, all-trustful, protector of users and highly skilled con artist detector, mighty cryptographer, legendary talker and kind benevolent lover. Happy valentines. I love you. You are the best.
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