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December 13, 2011, 04:13:24 AM
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Hey guys, I'm unsure of the payout system.  What's unconfirmed, confirmed and cashout amount?

My guess is, cashout amount is the amount you earned at this point, unconfirmed amount is waiting for the 120th block, meaning, what you will get in the next 24 hours, and confirmed amount is ....?

I looked into EMC's tech discussion board, and I wasn't able to find this.

Is there a way to check your historical (last 24 hours) btc amount earned?

Thanks,
J

Confirmed has 120 blocks and can be paid out with auto payout or manually with pay me buttons (they will turn red when you have confirmed balance).  Cashout will pay total of confirmed + unconfirmed - fee (and reset your score).  You can check block stats to see your historical earnings/block.

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December 13, 2011, 04:32:12 AM
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gnar1t$ summed it up nicely.

Confirmed is your payout that you can get right now with the Pay Me button(s) in either BTC or PPUSD (or NMC/BTC buttons in the case of NMC).  The unconfirmed amount is the amount that you've "earned" subject to 120 block validations before it's released.  This is done to make sure the block does not go invalid prior to the minimum number of confirmations.  This is a hard limit built into the Bitcoin client, not an arbitrary decision I made, and most pools subscribe to that (at least those that aren't PPS based).

Your cashout button is a special feature that will cashout all of your earned income at once, including your unrealized score.  Your unrealized score and unconfirmed balance are subject to a 10% fee, due to the increased risk that the pool undertakes when the cashout option is used (for example, if a block were to go invalid after you used the cashout, you would still be paid for that block, even though no one else would be).  However, your confirmed balance, when using cashout, is not subject to this fee.

120 block validations take anywhere from 15 - 20 hours usually on average before they go into confirmed status.

There is not really a way to check 24 hours of earning directly, other than looking at the Blocks Stats page, which tells you how much you earned each block.  I will, however, be implementing a 24 hour earned amount in the Quick Stats box in the next couple days, so look for that soon.

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Your going to have a lot more work with all the new users, hope the donations went up so this pool doesn't join the others.  Great pool, thanks for maintaing it.

The pool won't be going anywhere, don't worry about that.  The new users are nice for variance that's for sure... hopefully we can get some good ideas flowing for added features (not that we have a lack of good ideas already) - but the more the merrier.  As far as donations go, since June I've received approximately 28 BTC in donations... definitely not going to get rich on running a pool, hah!

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December 13, 2011, 05:15:35 AM
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Thank you guys!  Appreciate the detailed explanations.
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December 13, 2011, 06:25:29 AM
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Inaba, do you keep records of the number of stale shares submitted as well? It would be very useful to see these figures on the block history table, for mining contract accounting purposes. Per worker stales would also be a useful stat.

As far as donations go, since June I've received approximately 28 BTC in donations... definitely not going to get rich on running a pool, hah!

You could implement something like yourbtc.net - 3% donation for "VIP membership", which pays out for blocks without waiting for 120 confirms. I'm sure some people would up their donations to get this.

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December 13, 2011, 08:42:43 AM
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Hey guys, I'm unsure of the payout system.  What's unconfirmed, confirmed and cashout amount?
I'll take a shot at making this even clearer:

Score = How much you will get for every future block. The exact amount you'll get out of this depends on the number of blocks that will be found and is thus random.

Unconfirmed = Rewards for blocks which were already found but didn't mature yet.

Confirmed = Rewards for blocks which already matured.

Normal withdrawals are from the confirmed balance only.
Cashout is confirmed + unconfirmed + score - fee, where the fee is applied only to the unconfirmed and score.

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December 13, 2011, 04:15:59 PM
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Inaba, do you keep records of the number of stale shares submitted as well? It would be very useful to see these figures on the block history table, for mining contract accounting purposes. Per worker stales would also be a useful stat.

As far as donations go, since June I've received approximately 28 BTC in donations... definitely not going to get rich on running a pool, hah!

You could implement something like yourbtc.net - 3% donation for "VIP membership", which pays out for blocks without waiting for 120 confirms. I'm sure some people would up their donations to get this.

I do keep track of the stale statistics on a per block/per miner basis.  I will look at exposing that data right now.  I don't have the facility in place to track stales on the reset column though.  I'll see about adding that functionality a well.

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December 13, 2011, 04:22:02 PM
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URGENT!!

https://eclipsemc.com/block_stats.php ERROR!

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December 13, 2011, 05:18:57 PM
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Yeah I broke it trying to add the stales in.  Would be nice if you removed the SQL code though! Should be fixed now.

I need to make some internal changes to accommodate the stale display.  The way I'm tracking it now is not conducive to display on a per user basis, only as an aggregate.

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December 13, 2011, 09:04:12 PM
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Removed... sorry about that!!!

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December 14, 2011, 04:42:19 PM
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No problem, Thiago. 

I plan on focusing on some user statistics improvements in then next week or so.  Teams is on that list - what other top 10 lists, stats, graphs, etc... type things would people like to see?

I also plan on changing the way alerts are handled, which will speed up block processing and alert deployment via SMS primarily, as that is realllly slow and slows down block processing a great deal.

I also plan on opening up another port for mining, such that I would like people to split between the two instances.  This should alleviate any potential bottlenecks we might start to see when/if the pool hashrate starts to rise.  I keep meaning to evaluate PoolserverJ, but then I keep hearing about instability and I don't want to put the time required into modifying the code to be compatible if it's going to be ultimately discarded due to stability issues.  I should probably just bite the bullet and make it happen, though.

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December 15, 2011, 12:24:08 AM
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No problem, Thiago. 

I plan on focusing on some user statistics improvements in then next week or so.  Teams is on that list - what other top 10 lists, stats, graphs, etc... type things would people like to see?

I also plan on changing the way alerts are handled, which will speed up block processing and alert deployment via SMS primarily, as that is realllly slow and slows down block processing a great deal.

I also plan on opening up another port for mining, such that I would like people to split between the two instances.  This should alleviate any potential bottlenecks we might start to see when/if the pool hashrate starts to rise.  I keep meaning to evaluate PoolserverJ, but then I keep hearing about instability and I don't want to put the time required into modifying the code to be compatible if it's going to be ultimately discarded due to stability issues.  I should probably just bite the bullet and make it happen, though.


I presume you've rejected the offer that I PM'd you? As I've not even received a word of acknowledgement.

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December 15, 2011, 12:25:54 AM
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Can anyone give me any feedback? I have about 2.8 g/hash right now and will be bringing on about 6 g/hash total in a few weeks. I have dedicated miners going 24/7 at yourbtc.net. Anyone mining this pool that formerly mined at yourbtc ?

Please don't take offense Inaba as i am not asking for negative feedback here, would rather here what pool members have to say about usability, bitcoin rewards/systems, etc. I have read many of your posts and find them helpful and courteous.

For the record, I would also like to see you get rewarded for your pool as I believe this leads to long-term stability. I suggest you create a minimum contribution or at least create a premium membership that requires a minimum donation. Pool owners deserve to rewarded, it's good for the pool and all users.
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December 15, 2011, 12:26:58 AM
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Hi Marc,

No, I haven't been able to address it as of yet.  I am trying to figure out exactly how I will handle the configuration before I give a definitive answer.

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December 15, 2011, 12:29:23 AM
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Hi Marc,

No, I haven't been able to address it as of yet.  I am trying to figure out exactly how I will handle the configuration before I give a definitive answer.

Okay no problem, Just wasn't sure as you hadn't replied or anything, Keep me updated.

Thank you for the response. Smiley

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December 15, 2011, 01:11:05 AM
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Yeah I'm really sorry Marc and Thiago both - I will respond to both your PMs, I have just been so slammed this week (and last, and probably next) that it's hard to give the thought it deserves to a reply and I don't want to just fire off something half heartedly.

I should be almost finished launching a new project we have at work this week, so hopefully things will quiet down. 

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December 15, 2011, 01:15:35 AM
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Can anyone give me any feedback? I have about 2.8 g/hash right now and will be bringing on about 6 g/hash total in a few weeks. I have dedicated miners going 24/7 at yourbtc.net. Anyone mining this pool that formerly mined at yourbtc ?

Please don't take offense Inaba as i am not asking for negative feedback here, would rather here what pool members have to say about usability, bitcoin rewards/systems, etc. I have read many of your posts and find them helpful and courteous.

For the record, I would also like to see you get rewarded for your pool as I believe this leads to long-term stability. I suggest you create a minimum contribution or at least create a premium membership that requires a minimum donation. Pool owners deserve to rewarded, it's good for the pool and all users.

Well, I had intended to offer premium features in the beginning, but I never feel the pool is "done" or adequate to charge anyone money for something.  One of my primary motivators in the beginning was to stabilize my own variance and have all the features I found lacking in other pools available (SMS, etc...).  Maybe at some point, if I ever feel it's adequate, I will include some premium features at a small donation rate... but not at least until I get everything the way I want it.

I'm open to negative feedback as well as positive feedback, I always want to improve the pool - some changes are harder than others and I would make a lot of things different if I had to do it over again of course.  (I mean, who the heck saw merged mining back when I started coding this pool? jeez!)  ...  I'll be happy to answer any questions you have.

PS - looks like we got gimped by BTC Guild on that last block.  Fortunately it was only a 50 minute block, so not a lot of pain there.  Would be a painful block if it were a 24 hour block or something.

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December 15, 2011, 03:32:39 AM
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Can anyone give me any feedback? I have about 2.8 g/hash right now and will be bringing on about 6 g/hash total in a few weeks. I have dedicated miners going 24/7 at yourbtc.net. Anyone mining this pool that formerly mined at yourbtc ?

Please don't take offense Inaba as i am not asking for negative feedback here, would rather here what pool members have to say about usability, bitcoin rewards/systems, etc. I have read many of your posts and find them helpful and courteous.

For the record, I would also like to see you get rewarded for your pool as I believe this leads to long-term stability. I suggest you create a minimum contribution or at least create a premium membership that requires a minimum donation. Pool owners deserve to rewarded, it's good for the pool and all users.

Hi!

 I have 10GHash/s and I can assure you: EclipseMC is the best pool out there!

 The SMS alerts and PayPal payout system are to me, "killer features"!

 I was before at Deeptbit, BTCGuild, ArsBitcoin... But, EclipseMC is much better...

 There is only one thing that needs to be done within EclipseMC: some kind of H.A., so, if one server fails, another brings up and takeover its IP, or something like that.

 Good noted: activating some donations now.

Best!
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December 15, 2011, 05:33:41 AM
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EclipseMC website is down Inaba?!
My miner are still online but, can't access the site...

Thanks!
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December 15, 2011, 01:29:52 PM
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It's up for me?  Is it still down for you?  Anyone else having trouble?

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December 15, 2011, 02:21:40 PM
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FASTEST ROUND EVER! http://blockexplorer.com/b/157618   Grin

00:01:51 to find this block! hihihi

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