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February 12, 2014, 09:47:52 PM
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Just wanted to chime in with some thoughts of KnC's intentions, Neptunes, Plans A & B, cloudhashing, others' assumptions and your mom.

First, I'd like to make the point that there isn't a single one among us that have enough real details to make a truly fair and objective assessment of what KnC will be doing for their customers in the next 5-6 months. Neither rape nor reward. It is loathsome reading all this entirely negative banter being regurgitated over and over, built on assumptions and hypotheticals, in regard to KnC having royally screwed their customers dry only to realize their own selfish goals.

Might this plan B really have been plan A since the inception of KnC? Maybe, and even likely. In some communication with Sam at the beginning of May of last year in regard to hosting/cloudhashing, he told me, "... But we see that with hardware getting more and more expensive people with $100 to "invest" will have nowhere to turn to mine coins soon and we don't like that it makes this an elitists activity and we will look at ways of allowing the man/woman with a hundred bucks still be a part of the community." In another comment he goes on to say, "... The mining hardware market has treated its customers quite badly. We aim to show that not all companies are as bad as others, But what we really want is to show that if the community gather together they can help shape us providers and hold us to standards. So that the new companies which come along will have to meet those standards."

Now, it's possible that he was simply feeding me, a potential customer, a line of complete bullshit. It's possible that due to their success, greed has jaded the minds of KnC's execs. It's also possible that they simply are carrying out exactly the plan they intended to do from the very beginning. Ever since those comments, I KNEW KnC would eventually bring online a mining datacenter with cloudhashing services. It was only a matter of time. I am actually surprised it is only just now starting to come about. And let's be honest, who here is naive enough to deny that mining was inevitably turning into a cloudhashing landscape in which mines were placed in the most economically practical locations? Who would you prefer build these mega-mines, by the way? With the amount of capital investment being driven into BTC, and particularly mining, it is unfeasible for a solitary, small-time home hobbyist to maintain a practically impactful amount of hashpower in their home and these cloudhashing services (will) give anyone a lower cost, lower barrier of entry to get involved. Are there some concerns over centralizing the equipment for mining? Absolutely! However, the risks can be mitigated. It isn't difficult to imagine ways to accomplish this. Perhaps mines can be built in many different locations all over the world to avoid any physical politcal takeovers. Perhaps these cloudhashing contracts can come with the conditions that the customer assumes control of where the miner is pointed. Perhaps numerous companies, or even crowd funded projects, can offer these cloudhashing services in direct competition to each other to force better prices and more control to interested miners. WHEN you've got numerous options competing for your business, the customer wins. When confronted with the inevitable, perhaps what we really want is something that looks less like what Cex.io is doing and more like ..hmm, what maybe KnC is trying to do?

I am NOT advocating for KnC or all the decisions and statements that they have made or will make. Things may very well go sour for them and/or their customers -myself included. However, the point is nobody here knows a damn thing certain enough to say KnC, for a fact, is trying to do 'this' or trying to rape its customers like 'that'. Your accusations are built on assumptions. Will their mega-mine/s eat into your Neptune's return? Yes. Sorry, you'll either have to wait 6 months instead of the traditional 3 months to profit; or you can likely sell your machine for huge profit after you've even mined for a while. How could anyone expect KnC to not act like a business interested in ..staying in business? Enough of these "broken promises", "they said they'd sell machines, but now they're not", "they actually DO want everyone to refund their order" bullshit statements. If you knew a tertiary goal may either fail, or detract from the primary goal, would you still blindly carry through with it? Asinine! Anyone remember Mars? Anyone remember buying a 250Gh machine, and receiving a 450-550Gh machine? I guess I understand why, but companies in this BTC world are given absolutely no wiggle room to adjust plans and strategies. It boils down to, YOU make the best decision you can for yourself based off the information available at the time. And by all means, please keep asking for refunds. I wonder how far my late batch 1 miner has moved up since the announcement of plan B. Hell, I may still ask for a refund myself if they are ..now offering refunds in BTC at today's rate? They don't even have to do this! They could have not said a damn word about their plans for a mega-mine, not given any customers a safety net or right to any share of its hashpower, and surprised the the mining community in a few months.

...and assuming there's bad news or KnC being up to no good ...because Bitcoinorama has logged in and not commented? I almost shit myself after reading such an inane and baseless accusation. Assumptions up the ass in here. I didn't plan on saying something like this, but after seeing your Sam and Josh pic, Avenger, you're an idiot despite your exceedingly rare inklings of logical thought and deductions. I'll be surprised if you (or anyone) made it this far to see it anyway.

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February 12, 2014, 09:53:47 PM
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If the BTC price goes to $2000 on Bitstamp during the next 3-10 business days, I will get a lot less BTC  Roll Eyes

Morale: buying mining gear is a gamble, refunding an order is just as thrilling gamble Smiley

Why would it take 3-10 business days to send some BTC?  That is a big window in BTC land.
maybe because bitstamp BTC withdrawals are frozen till friday?

Nowhere did anyone say the KnC was buying BTC at Bitstamp and then sending them from there.  You're making shit up again.
I've been offered the option to refund in BTC at Bitstamp's exchange rate at the moment of the refund taking place. The really weird thing followed shortly after I requested refund on my 3 Neptunes, when they said it will be processed within 3-10 business days. Wasn't aware a BTC transfer might take so long (probably they're typing my wallet address 2-3 characters/business day?)  Roll Eyes
Seems pretty clear to me.  Must be another reading comprehension thing.

I hope you're inferring that you're having a "reading comprehension thing".

arlekyn13 clearly states that KnC is using the bitstamp rate.  Not that KnC is buying from bitstamp.

KnC is using the bitstamp rate as a reference point to determine value at that moment, much as banks use the LIBOR rate for currency trades the next day. Not complicated.
ROFL... right.     Like I said...reading comprehension


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February 12, 2014, 10:02:05 PM
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[...]

 ... But we see that with hardware getting more and more expensive people with $100 to "invest" will have nowhere to turn to mine coins soon and we don't like that it makes this an elitists activity and we will look at ways of allowing the man/woman with a hundred bucks still be a part of the community."

[...]

I respect what you're trying to say, but this statement by KnC is a little bit BS IMO.  Who's in charge of making this "more and more" expensive hardware?   Why do these manufacturers insist on end-goals of creating >1TH machines that consume more power than the average home circuit will allow?  

They don't have to, they choose to.  If KnC cared about the little guy, why not package a single 28nm die and sell it to third party designer/manufactures just like everyone else?  I think it's a little hypocritical to talk about how poor it is of manufacturers to leave the little guy with no option, then turn around and do exactly that.  Instead they're just pushing to make larger power hungry machinery meant for datacenters.  That's fine, but don't pass off a private 10PH farm under their direct control as a means to supporting the little guy.
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February 12, 2014, 10:18:38 PM
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If the BTC price goes to $2000 on Bitstamp during the next 3-10 business days, I will get a lot less BTC  Roll Eyes

Morale: buying mining gear is a gamble, refunding an order is just as thrilling gamble Smiley

Why would it take 3-10 business days to send some BTC?  That is a big window in BTC land.
maybe because bitstamp BTC withdrawals are frozen till friday?

Nowhere did anyone say the KnC was buying BTC at Bitstamp and then sending them from there.  You're making shit up again.
I've been offered the option to refund in BTC at Bitstamp's exchange rate at the moment of the refund taking place. The really weird thing followed shortly after I requested refund on my 3 Neptunes, when they said it will be processed within 3-10 business days. Wasn't aware a BTC transfer might take so long (probably they're typing my wallet address 2-3 characters/business day?)  Roll Eyes
Seems pretty clear to me.  Must be another reading comprehension thing.

I hope you're inferring that you're having a "reading comprehension thing".

arlekyn13 clearly states that KnC is using the bitstamp rate.  Not that KnC is buying from bitstamp.

KnC is using the bitstamp rate as a reference point to determine value at that moment, much as banks use the LIBOR rate for currency trades the next day. Not complicated.
ROFL... right.     Like I said...reading comprehension

Says he that dumped all his Neptunes, talked his brother into doing the same, as both fell for the latest marketing hype of a brand new group claiming to be soon to market and actual production of 20nm machines, then pleads desperately with the community to help recover his stolen btc after he discovers his due diligence wasn't so well done after all.

Yeah... right... reading comprehension. I see why so many others on this board detest you so much.
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February 12, 2014, 10:22:29 PM
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I respect what you're trying to say, but this statement by KnC is a little bit BS IMO.  Who's in charge of making this "more and more" expensive hardware?   Why do these manufacturers insist on end-goals of creating >1TH machines that consume more power than the average home circuit will allow?  

They don't have to, they choose to.  If KnC cared about the little guy, why not package a single 28nm die and sell it to third party designer/manufactures just like everyone else?  I think it's a little hypocritical to talk about how poor it is of manufacturers to leave the little guy with no option, then turn around and do exactly that.  Instead they're just pushing to make larger power hungry machinery meant for datacenters.  That's fine, but don't pass off a private 10PH farm under their direct control as a means to supporting the little guy.

Because the driving force of all things is personal gain. I want a larger share than you so that I will make more. Hence, larger/faster/more efficient machines. As I said before, I'm not trying to advocate the actions of KnC, but it is entirely inevitable that overall selfish greed drives intent for larger profit. Nobody will resign to a gentleman's agreement and say, my slice of the cake is large enough.

But they're not leaving the little guy with no option -they will offer affordable cloudhashing. Maybe you're not thinking about a small enough guy? You can't deny that cloudhashing is extremely accessible and more affordable to every average person. There is a tremendously wider customer market for such a service. What percentage of people do you think has the capacity to run, mod and maintain a miner at home?

As far as what KnC chooses to do; 1)Create larger machines for cloudhashing services or 2) create many, many cheap chips to distribute among small miners -that's entirely their prerogative to choose for their business. If you don't agree with that model or share that same perspective, you can vote with your wallet by buying from another vendor. (Hopefully, we see more manufacturers that do take route 2 as I DON'T want to subscribe to cloudhashing either)
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February 12, 2014, 10:29:19 PM
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I didn't plan on saying something like this, but after seeing your Sam and Josh pic, Avenger, you're an idiot despite your exceedingly rare inklings of logical thought and deductions. I'll be surprised if you (or anyone) made it this far to see it anyway.

Tell your mom I'll call her back tomorrow.
I did and she said she wants her underwear back. Stop stealing her underwear and wearing it to work you sick puppy.

Regarding the pic - are knc not taking money, promising delivery at a certain date and then once they have collected everybodies money, announcing delays ala BFL? The picture + caption stands as good now as it did in November when they failed to deliver.

They will NOT NOT NOT deliver in Q1. That's totally obvious now to everyone, although pretty clear to many of us since last year.

And they are building a datacentre "just in case" they don't deliver in Q2?? Who believes that bullshit?!

Anyone building a datacentre "just in case" either
- having worked on Neptune design since mid December (their words), they now realised they totally can't deliver in Q2.
or
- it's an excuse to build a datacentre for themselves, breaking all their promises to previous customers, but trying to pretend it's only for their customers benefit.

I've pointed out a million ways it won't benefit their customers, but whatever. You/they can see it whatever way you like. Be positive about this one and see where it gets you.

Regarding the email you have from Sam, there was plenty "we won't forget the help you have given us" bs floating around before October, when they really needed people's money. But now they have stabbed everyone in the back, broken all their promises and won't sell existing customers anything.

If you believe the content of that email from "humble we need your help sam" is still valid and is what "we are visionary millionaires, let's build an empire in the arctic circle next to facebook sam" is thinking now, either you haven't been following this thread or you are way too gullible. Or maybe my mom's underwear is squeezing your brain too much  Wink

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February 12, 2014, 10:36:06 PM
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First, I'd like to make the point that there isn't a single one among us that have enough real details to make a truly fair and objective assessment of what KnC will be doing for their customers in the next 5-6 months. Neither rape nor reward.

You clearly haven't kept up with the entire thread, and the KNC forums, or spoken to any insiders, or Bitcoinorama.

It is loathsome reading all this entirely negative banter being regurgitated over and over, built on assumptions and hypotheticals

Referring you back to my first response above.

But they're not leaving the little guy with no option -they will offer affordable cloudhashing. Maybe you're not thinking about a small enough guy? You can't deny that cloudhashing is extremely accessible and more affordable to every average person. There is a tremendously wider customer market for such a service. What percentage of people do you think has the capacity to run, mod and maintain a miner at home?

They aren't leaving an AFFORDABLE option, if you include context of ROI with 'affordable'.

Again, referencing my first response. It's as if you haven't studied any of the facts at all. And I'm not just talking of the last 20 pages.. or even 500. All of it.

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February 12, 2014, 10:50:24 PM
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If the BTC price goes to $2000 on Bitstamp during the next 3-10 business days, I will get a lot less BTC  Roll Eyes

Morale: buying mining gear is a gamble, refunding an order is just as thrilling gamble Smiley

Why would it take 3-10 business days to send some BTC?  That is a big window in BTC land.
maybe because bitstamp BTC withdrawals are frozen till friday?

Nowhere did anyone say the KnC was buying BTC at Bitstamp and then sending them from there.  You're making shit up again.
I've been offered the option to refund in BTC at Bitstamp's exchange rate at the moment of the refund taking place. The really weird thing followed shortly after I requested refund on my 3 Neptunes, when they said it will be processed within 3-10 business days. Wasn't aware a BTC transfer might take so long (probably they're typing my wallet address 2-3 characters/business day?)  Roll Eyes
Seems pretty clear to me.  Must be another reading comprehension thing.

I hope you're inferring that you're having a "reading comprehension thing".

arlekyn13 clearly states that KnC is using the bitstamp rate.  Not that KnC is buying from bitstamp.

KnC is using the bitstamp rate as a reference point to determine value at that moment, much as banks use the LIBOR rate for currency trades the next day. Not complicated.
ROFL... right.     Like I said...reading comprehension

Says he that dumped all his Neptunes, talked his brother into doing the same, as both fell for the latest marketing hype of a brand new group claiming to be soon to market and actual production of 20nm machines, then pleads desperately with the community to help recover his stolen btc after he discovers his due diligence wasn't so well done after all.

Yeah... right... reading comprehension. I see why so many others on this board detest you so much.
Nice try on changing the subject.
You really think they would say "at Bitstamp's exchange rate at the moment of the refund taking place." and refund from elsewhere?
This is like explaining isotropic vector matrix equilibrium to a monkey. Useless.


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February 12, 2014, 10:53:07 PM
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They aren't leaving an AFFORDABLE option, if you include context of ROI with 'affordable'.

Again, referencing my first response. It's as if you haven't studied any of the facts at all. And I'm not just talking of the last 20 pages.. or even 500. All of it.

To be fair there aren't any facts just speculation and guesswork.

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February 12, 2014, 10:56:54 PM
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If the BTC price goes to $2000 on Bitstamp during the next 3-10 business days, I will get a lot less BTC  Roll Eyes

Morale: buying mining gear is a gamble, refunding an order is just as thrilling gamble Smiley

Why would it take 3-10 business days to send some BTC?  That is a big window in BTC land.
maybe because bitstamp BTC withdrawals are frozen till friday?

Nowhere did anyone say the KnC was buying BTC at Bitstamp and then sending them from there.  You're making shit up again.
I've been offered the option to refund in BTC at Bitstamp's exchange rate at the moment of the refund taking place. The really weird thing followed shortly after I requested refund on my 3 Neptunes, when they said it will be processed within 3-10 business days. Wasn't aware a BTC transfer might take so long (probably they're typing my wallet address 2-3 characters/business day?)  Roll Eyes
Seems pretty clear to me.  Must be another reading comprehension thing.

I hope you're inferring that you're having a "reading comprehension thing".

arlekyn13 clearly states that KnC is using the bitstamp rate.  Not that KnC is buying from bitstamp.

KnC is using the bitstamp rate as a reference point to determine value at that moment, much as banks use the LIBOR rate for currency trades the next day. Not complicated.
ROFL... right.     Like I said...reading comprehension

Says he that dumped all his Neptunes, talked his brother into doing the same, as both fell for the latest marketing hype of a brand new group claiming to be soon to market and actual production of 20nm machines, then pleads desperately with the community to help recover his stolen btc after he discovers his due diligence wasn't so well done after all.

Yeah... right... reading comprehension. I see why so many others on this board detest you so much.
Nice try on changing the subject.
You really think they would say "at Bitstamp's exchange rate at the moment of the refund taking place." and refund from elsewhere?
This is like explaining isotropic vector matrix equilibrium to a monkey. Useless.

Ah, I see. So now you claim to not be descended from a monkey. Otherwise it's useless to try and explain something to yourself, as you so clearly cannot comprehend a simple statement such as "...at Bitstamp's exchange rate at the moment of the refund taking place." What part of that is so difficult for your brain cell to comprehend? The word "rate"? Or "moment"? Or the string of letters forming words that strung together form a sentence to convey a thought?
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February 12, 2014, 11:23:04 PM
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They aren't leaving an AFFORDABLE option, if you include context of ROI with 'affordable'.

Again, referencing my first response. It's as if you haven't studied any of the facts at all. And I'm not just talking of the last 20 pages.. or even 500. All of it.

To be fair there aren't any facts just speculation and guesswork.

it is a fact that KNC are using the 28nm chips for themselves instead of manufacturing and selling miners/upgrade modules to protect their customers share of the network.   
or am I dreaming Huh

this is speculation... they will delay the so called upgrade module sales a couple more difficulty jumps so it ends up being worthless to us small time miners
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To be fair there aren't any facts just speculation and guesswork.

it is a fact that KNC are using the 28nm chips for themselves instead of manufacturing and selling miners/upgrade modules to protect their customers share of the network.   
or am I dreaming Huh

this is speculation... they will delay the so called upgrade module sales a couple more difficulty jumps so it ends up being worthless to us small time miners


No is speculation that they will do that, all we have heard it's that they are building a mine for the purposes of providing either compensatory hash rate to their customers if Neptune is late or if said customers would prefer to switch from hardware customer to cloud customer. You are adding your own spin on the concept to make it appear in a negative light.

Nothing is proven. They may even deliver Neptune within the timescale they estimated. They may not. I understand your frustration if you were expecting more upgrade boards for your Saturn or Mercury but that's unlikely to happen and has been for some time.

I think that any  28nm machines they do make for the mine will be designed specifically for that express purpose and would be completely at odds with mining at home. They will be probably more efficient than the Nov batch and may be the test bed for technology that will be incorporated in Neptune.

I know it's suits yours and Avengers and edgers mysterious agenda to perpetrate this ill will and I wish you all could clearly define what it is you are trying to achieve, because it's certainly getting boring fast.

It's not like you are saving noobss from buying because KNC stopped selling ages ago.

Do you want something that you are not willing to share? An apology or some donation of thanks? I just don't get where all this angst is going sorry.



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No is speculation that they will do that, all we have heard it's that they are building a mine for the purposes of providing either compensatory hash rate to their customers if Neptune is late or if said customers would prefer to switch from hardware customer to cloud customer. You are adding your own spin on the concept to make it appear in a negative light.

We'll need some input from Swedish speaking members, but this looks like video from the new datacentre.

With machines hashing already. Mining the bitcoins to compensate the Neptune customers in July Biffa?

Not more than 5% though, of course.

http://www.gp.se/nyheter/sverige/1.2276893-datorhall-for-bitcoin-byggs-i-boden

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Well I officially decided to pull the plug on my batch #1 Neptune pre-order after just buying more BTC than I could ever hope it will mine for the same price. I can't imagine why anybody is holding onto their orders at this point...
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No is speculation that they will do that, all we have heard it's that they are building a mine for the purposes of providing either compensatory hash rate to their customers if Neptune is late or if said customers would prefer to switch from hardware customer to cloud customer. You are adding your own spin on the concept to make it appear in a negative light.

We'll need some input from Swedish speaking members, but this looks like video from the new datacentre.

With machines hashing already. Mining the bitcoins to compensate the Neptunes customers in July Biffa?

Not more than 5% though, of course.

http://www.gp.se/nyheter/sverige/1.2276893-datorhall-for-bitcoin-byggs-i-boden

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"Server hall will be ready in about a month."

Again what is your agenda exactly?

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You really think they would say "at Bitstamp's exchange rate at the moment of the refund taking place." and refund from elsewhere?

Yes.
You don't think they have a wallet with enough Bitcoin already to refund a Neptune order?
But they need a publicly agreed way of calculating how much Bitcoin to refund.

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February 13, 2014, 12:30:12 AM
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If the BTC price goes to $2000 on Bitstamp during the next 3-10 business days, I will get a lot less BTC  Roll Eyes

Morale: buying mining gear is a gamble, refunding an order is just as thrilling gamble Smiley

Why would it take 3-10 business days to send some BTC?  That is a big window in BTC land.
maybe because bitstamp BTC withdrawals are frozen till friday?

Nowhere did anyone say the KnC was buying BTC at Bitstamp and then sending them from there.  You're making shit up again.
I've been offered the option to refund in BTC at Bitstamp's exchange rate at the moment of the refund taking place. The really weird thing followed shortly after I requested refund on my 3 Neptunes, when they said it will be processed within 3-10 business days. Wasn't aware a BTC transfer might take so long (probably they're typing my wallet address 2-3 characters/business day?)  Roll Eyes
Seems pretty clear to me.  Must be another reading comprehension thing.

I hope you're inferring that you're having a "reading comprehension thing".

arlekyn13 clearly states that KnC is using the bitstamp rate.  Not that KnC is buying from bitstamp.

KnC is using the bitstamp rate as a reference point to determine value at that moment, much as banks use the LIBOR rate for currency trades the next day. Not complicated.
ROFL... right.     Like I said...reading comprehension

I don't understand why they accept payment via Bitpay and that if they refund via Bitpay why Bitpay would hold itself to respecting the current bitstamp rate.



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February 13, 2014, 01:21:52 AM
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i requested a 2nd (3rd) batch refund a few days ago, i was asked to provide FULL Bank Account details.

i paid via BitPay...

Kurt says the refund will be completed 'shortly'

Are they just making it up as they go along now that butbutbutcoinorama & phakeonix arent doing it for them...?

FULL? All of SWIFT, IBAN, routing number and accounting number? Or just SWIFT, IBAN and accounting number?
Thanks


 Hi,

In order to process your refund we would need for you to provide us with the details as listed below.

For European banks we would need the following:

Full name of account holder -
The full name of the bank -
The complete address of your bank -
The account number -
IBAN -
SWIFT/BIC -

For American or Canadian banks we would need the following.

Full name of account holder -
The full name of the bank -
The complete address of your bank -
The routing/clearing number -
The account number -
SWIFT -

Thanks in advance.

Med vänlig hälsning |  Best regards

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As for a mysterious agenda, i dont like liars or being lied to. I dont like seeing or hearing others being lied to or ripped off.

My sense of justice goes haywire and i. want.justice....

Nor do i like thick headed simpletons who wont STFU or admit culpability, especially in the glaring face of obviousness.

changing your name/opening yet another account 'to avoid the trolls' is absolute BULLSHIT. these people are lying, subvertive SCUM who will use ANY excuse, lie, distortion, to build up 'trustworthiness' with the sole intention of ripping someone off in the near future

to be quite frank i think there should be a blanket ban on the IPs of liars, crooks, scammers, and fact distorters so they dont infect the rest of us.

Greed is contagious, liars spread their filth among us willy nilly and most of you seem to lap it up and go on the offensive for the scammers & liars....

it seems you may have a warped agenda of your own, support all scammers, liars and rip-off merchants....

i wish you luck .... very bad luck!
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February 13, 2014, 01:53:54 AM
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Well I officially decided to pull the plug on my batch #1 Neptune pre-order after just buying more BTC than I could ever hope it will mine for the same price. I can't imagine why anybody is holding onto their orders at this point...

Smart move!

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February 13, 2014, 02:02:17 AM
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i requested a 2nd (3rd) batch refund a few days ago, i was asked to provide FULL Bank Account details.

i paid via BitPay...

Kurt says the refund will be completed 'shortly'

Are they just making it up as they go along now that butbutbutcoinorama & phakeonix arent doing it for them...?

FULL? All of SWIFT, IBAN, routing number and accounting number? Or just SWIFT, IBAN and accounting number?
Thanks


 Hi,

In order to process your refund we would need for you to provide us with the details as listed below.

For European banks we would need the following:

Full name of account holder -
The full name of the bank -
The complete address of your bank -
The account number -
IBAN -
SWIFT/BIC -

For American or Canadian banks we would need the following.

Full name of account holder -
The full name of the bank -
The complete address of your bank -
The routing/clearing number -
The account number -
SWIFT -

Thanks in advance.

Med vänlig hälsning |  Best regards

Kurt Radcliffe



As for a mysterious agenda, i dont like liars or being lied to. I dont like seeing or hearing others being lied to or ripped off.

My sense of justice goes haywire and i. want.justice....

Nor do i like thick headed simpletons who wont STFU or admit culpability, especially in the glaring face of obviousness.

changing your name/opening yet another account 'to avoid the trolls' is absolute BULLSHIT. these people are lying, subvertive SCUM who will use ANY excuse, lie, distortion, to build up 'trustworthiness' with the sole intention of ripping someone off in the near future

to be quite frank i think there should be a blanket ban on the IPs of liars, crooks, scammers, and fact distorters so they dont infect the rest of us.

Greed is contagious, liars spread their filth among us willy nilly and most of you seem to lap it up and go on the offensive for the scammers & liars....

it seems you may have a warped agenda of your own, support all scammers, liars and rip-off merchants....

i wish you luck .... very bad luck!

I asked for the bank info-and thanks for that.

I hope that you did not direct the rest of the message at me "warped agenda, etc." I just joined the site a few weeks back, so whatever battles were fought here before-it is all new to me.
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