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February 13, 2014, 06:02:34 AM
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February 13, 2014, 06:38:50 AM
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KNC plan makes sense to me!
why you want to sell mining rig? when you can host them yourself and make 4 time the profit ( and don't have to deal with customers)
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February 13, 2014, 07:33:50 AM
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Well, anyone still think they don't have "Time to pull off a datacenter"?
Wow. This is epic.
also...   "Server hall will be ready in about a month."  hmmmm


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February 13, 2014, 07:35:10 AM
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Look at alllllllll those Jupiter modules they refused to sell to all of us previous owners!! Shocked



now we know why there was a bottleneck on beaglebones, controller boards, components, heat sinks, etc etc etc... they're not very good at lying

they bought everything for themselves

now I understand why bitcoinorama hasn't show himself here, and I don't think we'll see him ever again.

this is orama now

I don't believe he joined the KNC's team for this.   they used orama because he came across as an honest person.
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February 13, 2014, 07:49:29 AM
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It does seem pretty deceptive being we were just led to believe they had just begun with the idea, when it's actually almost done, and obviously hashing away at am ever-accumulating rate. Didn't they just tell us there was a controller board part shortage too? Wow.
We should have been given the option to take 3th/s of 28nm now over waiting by the looks of it.
"Customer Appreciation" batch takes on a whole new meaning now.... lol
I hope they make up for it with a really good hash-hosting deal


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February 13, 2014, 08:06:14 AM
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seriously, waaah. calling someone greedy for doing exactly what you are doing, just bigger and better. Grow up. If you are jealous, do it bigger.

alas too true...too true

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February 13, 2014, 08:08:44 AM
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they've lied before.. remember the 'we don't use 8 VRMs, 4 is fine' crapola.. (check out the overclocking thread for a brilliant job of using all 8 on a oct jup)

KNC is still one of the best miner companies out there but looks like their early 'lets prove our geekness to the world' was an early chapter and they are all grown up now

so let's have a toast to who they were and bid farewell to who they are




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February 13, 2014, 08:30:40 AM
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holy moth*** sh*** - we created a monster  Shocked

This warehouse full of shelves is sooo beatiful - I want to cry

edit: I cant be angry - this is epicness  Cool

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February 13, 2014, 08:42:18 AM
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nice catch... saved the photos in case they try to get rid of evidence... LOL..  Cheesy damn and i guess now we have a better picture of where all that huge unknown hashrate comes from...   Roll Eyes

http://imgur.com/a/jzT5E  

Full album.

I think it's safe to say they didn't start this adventure last week.
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February 13, 2014, 09:14:13 AM
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No is speculation that they will do that, all we have heard it's that they are building a mine for the purposes of providing either compensatory hash rate to their customers if Neptune is late or if said customers would prefer to switch from hardware customer to cloud customer. You are adding your own spin on the concept to make it appear in a negative light.

We'll need some input from Swedish speaking members, but this looks like video from the new datacentre.

With machines hashing already. Mining the bitcoins to compensate the Neptune customers in July Biffa?

Not more than 5% though, of course.

http://www.gp.se/nyheter/sverige/1.2276893-datorhall-for-bitcoin-byggs-i-boden

Med vänlig hälsning

Having watched the video now, that is very interesting and definitely not speculation. It will be interesting to see if KnC sources an provide a response, or if they even care to.

As to my agenda, I'm just a customer and miner like anyone else, I have some KnC, some Ants, even some GPU's running scrypt. I don't have any allegiance to a particular vendor, or work for any of them. I'm perhaps more willing to give some companies the benefit of the doubt than others in this thread but I think, hopefully, I'm considered by most to be even handed and reasonable, even helpful sometimes, if anyone doubts my agenda, its easy to see in my post history

KnC has done nothing wrong to me either in the past or up till now, they sold me what I asked for and it has performed to spec, heck even above spec.

Plus, I don't even fault them for building this cloud hashing farm as I think that they have to compete somehow with all the other farms coming online both for their customers and to a certain extent for themselves.

As to their motives and current standing, I still feel that we are swinging in the dark here and we could be hitting or missing with our conjecture, it would be good if someone could get a clear and concise message from the company as to what is going on.

So, so far, we know they have a farm, we know its populated with KnC 28nm hardware, and in the video we can see is 21 racks with 4 shelves in populated per rack with 6 modules per rack, in two rows. Or somewhere between 150,000-200,000 GH (21x4x6x2x170GH),  its very cleverly shot to impress but also to not show everything.

From me the speculation is still:

  • Is the hardware there new, or have they moved their old hosting to this new location, or moved other large customers equipment there?
  • If new, is it designed specifically for this purpose, i.e. not compatible with their consumer model miners?
  • How much of that is hashing live on the network and how much was turned on just to test for the video?
  • If hashing, what percentage is directly for KnC themselves

I'd still like to know definitively when is the date that Neptune will be considered late. I think its important for KnC to divulge that information ASAP so that people can make an informed decision about what to do regarding their orders.

For now I'm still gonna hold fire with my orders, and keep pushing through official channels to get some info to feed back to the forum.

Lastly I'd like to say thank you edgar, I get where you are coming from and understand your motives even if I don't agree with your methods Smiley And Avenger, great detective work, gotta hand it to you, you certainly keep everyone thinking and the old brain cogs whirring can't be a bad thing at my age Smiley You will note that even if I don't always agree with you guys, its obvious your not ignored and I will keep listening and taking in your findings.

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February 13, 2014, 09:38:06 AM
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Useful post Biffa, I agree - Especially to the question "when is Neptune considered late" - basically this is the only thing really interesting for me and will decide whether I dump or stick to my orders.

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Useful post Biffa, I agree - Especially to the question "when is Neptune considered late" - basically this is the only thing really interesting for me and will decide whether I dump or stick to my orders.


yeah.....you want to see me go over to the dark side here..all they have to say is .."your virtual neptunes you ordered will be hashing at 6gh on march 1st"

if they do that and I can practically forgive anything ....including the hiring of josh from BFL for PR.....

(I'm such a gh hash sl*t)

it would be the quickest way to get me to go from "what the f*c*" to ...

er ummmm...hmmmm ...er ...NEVERMIND



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February 13, 2014, 10:27:10 AM
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Useful post Biffa, I agree - Especially to the question "when is Neptune considered late" - basically this is the only thing really interesting for me and will decide whether I dump or stick to my orders.


yeah.....you want to see me go over to the dark side here..all they have to say is .."your virtual neptunes you ordered will be hashing at 6gh on march 1st"

if they do that and I can practically forgive anything ....including the hiring of josh from BFL for PR.....

(I'm such a gh hash sl*t)

it would be the quickest way to get me to go from "what the f*c*" to ...

er ummmm...hmmmm ...er ...NEVERMIND



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Exactly - I just have the hope they find the sweet spot between own and customer interests. 6gh?? You are a cheap fellow to buy  Grin

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Jonas Birgersson 2.0!  Grin
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February 13, 2014, 11:49:45 AM
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Useful post Biffa, I agree - Especially to the question "when is Neptune considered late" - basically this is the only thing really interesting for me and will decide whether I dump or stick to my orders.


yeah.....you want to see me go over to the dark side here..all they have to say is .."your virtual neptunes you ordered will be hashing at 6gh on march 1st"

if they do that and I can practically forgive anything ....including the hiring of josh from BFL for PR.....

(I'm such a gh hash sl*t)

it would be the quickest way to get me to go from "what the f*c*" to ...

er ummmm...hmmmm ...er ...NEVERMIND



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Exactly - I just have the hope they find the sweet spot between own and customer interests. 6gh?? You are a cheap fellow to buy  Grin


ack..dooomed withthat deal with the devil....doomed......dang it now i have to find a gold fiddle!

(hey i'm old i remember when a 140k apple ii drive was large!)

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February 13, 2014, 12:10:23 PM
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From me the speculation is still:
  • Is the hardware there new, or have they moved their old hosting to this new location

On that point, I'm sure they won't tell us, so...

Exhibit A:



See the large waste bin? Full of brand new arctic cooler boxes next to the assembly bench? I think that is as good an indication as any that the machines are completely new. You wouldn't throw away 1000's of coolers just to move them to a new location, especially if it's only a matter of packing them onto a lorry and driving them a few hours north.

It would certainly explain why they were going to sell Jupiters, then didn't.
Then they were going to sell boards, but didn't.
And why they had a "bottleneck" with controller boards.
It's all there in that building now.

From me the speculation is still:
  • If new, is it designed specifically for this purpose, i.e. not compatible with their consumer model miners?
Does that matter? I imagine it's just standard boards.

From me the speculation is still:
  • How much of that is hashing live on the network and how much was turned on just to test for the video?
They are renting the building and paying for the electricity. You think they are going to kit it out and leave it all switched off until July, throwing away all that money?? It's obvious in the next couple of weeks they intend to have all those racks full. And then, if they have enough neptune pre-order money left over, start another building. They've already said they want more buildings and they see themselves being as big as facebook, so this is their words and their plans, as announced by them.

From me the speculation is still:
  • If hashing, what percentage is directly for KnC themselves

They aren't going to tell us if they are over 5%! They'll just weasel around and say it's this that or the other.

If they did have 5% hashing and these are new machines, then it's clear they are 6% or over now.

But I guess it'll take a photo of this entire datacentre with completely full racks to convince some people.

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February 13, 2014, 12:13:49 PM
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Jonas Birgersson 2.0!  Grin


One WHOLE rack section, 6 boards x 5 or 6 shelves = 1 neptune  Grin
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We have not been manufacturing 28nm miners since the shipping of the November batch completed.
I'm a little surprised about that. I believe the November Jupiters are the most effectiv ASIC miners on this world at the moment and I thought KNC recognized that as well and filled byteminr with them after they stopped selling to the public.
But well, it seems I've been wrong.
Oh, I wasn't.

well, what would there be more to communicate then: "We send all production output to byteminr at the moment". Who wouldn't, being in their shoes?
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February 13, 2014, 12:18:12 PM
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What the connection between knc and byteminr? I miss the point, using reseller
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February 13, 2014, 12:19:49 PM
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Great!

Just remember: NEVER PREORDER AGAIN!

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