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March 05, 2014, 01:14:45 PM
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So the tapeout is done. The outcome is awaited at the end of April.

Anyone remember when when the tapeout happened for 28nm?

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March 05, 2014, 01:20:43 PM
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Someone translate what 1440 cores mean regarding the speed. Also 43% less power consumption means ~0.74W/GH at wall (1.3W/GH minus 43%)


196 Cores in a Jupiter based on the November Jupiter of 680GH/s = 3.469GH/s per core x Neptune 1440 Cores = 4996.5GH/s

These are just my Numbers and are more than likely just Bullshit.

But the Neptune should be greater than 3TH/s.

A Jupiter has 4 asics, each with 196 cores, so 768 cores in total and approx 768/680GH/s = ~1.3GH/s per. core.

So they will most likely do  1.3GH/s per core x 1440 = 1872GH/s per. asic.

Neptune will have 2 asics and do 3744GH/s max with power consumption at 2770W ?
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March 05, 2014, 01:44:26 PM
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Someone translate what 1440 cores mean regarding the speed. Also 43% less power consumption means ~0.74W/GH at wall (1.3W/GH minus 43%)


196 Cores in a Jupiter based on the November Jupiter of 680GH/s = 3.469GH/s per core x Neptune 1440 Cores = 4996.5GH/s

These are just my Numbers and are more than likely just Bullshit.

But the Neptune should be greater than 3TH/s.

A Jupiter has 4 asics, each with 196 cores, so 768 cores in total and approx 768/680GH/s = ~1.3GH/s per. core.

So they will most likely do  1.3GH/s per core x 1440 = 1872GH/s per. asic.

Neptune will have 2 asics and do 3744GH/s max with power consumption at 2770W ?

Only 2 asics? I missed that information. How are they gonna dissipate 1385W?

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March 05, 2014, 01:47:17 PM
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I believe in 4 asic. 55x55 case is too big for only 2 asic. Don't you think ?
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March 05, 2014, 02:07:23 PM
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KnC Announce ‘Tape out’ of the World’s first 20nm ASIC for Bitcoin Mining
 
STOCKHOLM, SWEDEN — March 5, 2014 –– KnC, the most trusted brand in Bitcoin Mining is announcing they
have completed ‘tape out’ of their new ASIC. This is the world’s first Bitcoin Mining Application Specific
Integrated Circuit (ASIC) designed using ground breaking 20 nanometer engineering. This important
milestone was achieved only 3 months after starting the project, during February 2014.
 
KnC partnered with Alchip and its representative, Advanced Semiconductors Technology (AST), to deliver
this advanced 20nm technology ASIC. This tapeout is the 2nd generation of the bitcoin mining ASIC following
the success of the 1st, which was delivered in a record time of 3.5 months.
 
This new KnC20nm chip will reduce power consumption of Bitcoin Mining by 43% when compared with the
previous generation. In addition, innovations in the design of the communications circuitry allow for 1440
cores, in a 55x55mm package.
 
Marcus Erlandson, KnC CTO, is immensely proud of the teams performance, “The combined efforts of KnC
and our partners Alchip means that once again we are bringing to market a world first silicon design and in
record time.”
 
Johnny Shen, President of Alchip. “KnC and Alchip have been working together on Bitcoin ASIC design for
less than 12 months and in that time we’ve already delivered 2 world-first projects. Collaboration is the key
here and the close working relationship between our teams is the secret to our success”
 
Bitcon is maturing and the technology that underpins the Bitcoin network is largely powered by KnC
hardware with devices sold in over 100 countries worldwide. To learn more about KnC, visit
www.kncminer.com
 
About KnC
KnC Group AB was founded in 2013 and have their headquarters in the tech hub of Stockholm, Sweden.
They specialise in building leading edge hardware that secure the transactions for the distributed Bitcoin
Network.
For more information  visit www.kncminer.com
 
About Alchip
Founded in 2003, Alchip Technologies Ltd. is a leading provider of silicon design and manufacturing services
for companies developing complex and high-volume system-on-chip (SoC) designs. Alchip’s products are
mainly used in current HDTV, mobile phones, networking, computers, entertainment and other consumer
electronics devices. It provides ASIC design and manufacturing services intended to enable customers to
cost-effectively address the technological complexity of silicon design and the need to reduce time to
market.For more information: www.alchip.com
 
About AST
Advanced Semiconductor Technologies (AST) was established in 1986 as the first independent Application
Specific Integrated Circuits (ASIC) Design Center in Israel and has since become the Representative of major
ASIC vendors as well as IP and EDA suppliers and Applications Specific Standard Product (ASSP)
companies.AST's highly skilled Sales and Application Engineers combine over 200 years of experience;
Turn-Key services as well as on site support and consulting are provided, in the areas of ASIC and FPGA
Design, EDA IT, CAD and Design Management. For more information: www.ast.co.il

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March 05, 2014, 02:33:51 PM
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'tape out' completed  Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked
this was totally unexpected, now I'm excited  Cheesy

Joeventura and his insider information has been wrong with his predictions that there wasn't going to be a physical miner, and I was actually starting to beleive him.

So how long does it take to slice and package wafers?  Anyone?

ok ok you can come back Orama...  this is good news and we can all be friends again  Tongue Kiss
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March 05, 2014, 02:47:28 PM
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Great news!

@ Avenger, you wasted so much time over the last month spreading and speculating FUD, it was unbelievable funny how much built up anger you have. 
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March 05, 2014, 02:54:03 PM
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I asked if the miners could be taken out of hosting and sent to me early, i then got told this could not happen and the miners were to stay in hosting until the hosting contract has ran out........ seems most strange to me, unless they are running extra boards from my control boards or they have over clocked my boards and i just get a % of the generated hashrate. Either way, i did not like being told i could not have what i paid for, until another service i had paid for runs out.

Hosted jupiters are probably ASIC boards on a shelf


The positioning of those screw fixtures are quite strange I have to say. They look like diagonal variants of the positions in the jupiters, 4 x board 2 x heatsink but diagonal.

I am aware my boards are just on a shelf, this s how i had 9 x 8vrm boards set up personally.

This news about the Tapout makes these screw fixture layout even more interesting Wink
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March 05, 2014, 03:08:21 PM
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Great news!

@ Avenger, you wasted so much time over the last month spreading and speculating FUD, it was unbelievable funny how much built up anger you have.  

I agree that the 20nm tapeout is great news for Knc, but they aren't out of the woods yet.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tape-out

First tapeout is rarely the end of work for the design team. Most chips will go through a set of spins in which fixes are implemented after testing the first article. Many different factors can cause a spin, including:
- The taped-out design fails final checks at the foundry due to problems manufacturing the design itself.
- The design is successfully fabricated, but the first article fails functionality tests.


Their execution was nearly flawless with 28nm chips, so the next month will show if lightning can strike twice with their 20nm product.
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March 05, 2014, 03:18:03 PM
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great. first batch shipping is likely to start at least by the end of May.
second batch by the end of June. Cool

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March 05, 2014, 03:37:27 PM
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I got my BTC refund today for 3 Neptunes (43.569). exchange rate used was at $700 by the time I got it, rate was down to $660.  Took 8 days to complete the transaction and BTC went on some wild swings,  had no idea where it would be and they gave me no information on the exchange rate other than they will use BitStamp price at the time of transaction.  Considering that I spent under that amount to purchase 4 Neptunes, made out pretty well.    When it arrives every mBit it makes will be profit...  good to hear they taped out...  Wasn't really looking forward to re-wiring my house to install 4.

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March 05, 2014, 03:56:14 PM
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Knc is still knc

Best company out there
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March 05, 2014, 04:22:44 PM
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Here's some calculations someone put together over at KnC's official forums. I am not heralding these figures as given facts, but in spite of the silly speculative doom and gloom that has swept over this thread, there still might be reason for optimism among those with outstanding Neptune orders.

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With the new "tape out" information that KNC has provided, it gives everyone a clearer view of what we can expect. Below is an updated idea on what I think we can expect from the Neptune.

Hash rate: 4,875GH/s
Power: 2,237W (A couple 1,200W PSUs will probably do the trick. We'll need either a 220V line or two circuits at 110v. DON'T BUY THE PSUs YET! I have no idea if my projections are even close to correct in the end!)

Here's how I figured out the above numbers.

Jupiter has 192 cores. (http://forum.kncminer.com/forum/rese...than-3000-gh-s)
Jupiter needs at least 850W.
Jupiter hashes at 650GH/s for the November batch.

Neptune has 1440 cores. (https://www.kncminer.com/news/news-78)
Jupiter has a 40% power reduction per core than that of Jupiter.

Using these quick facts I gathered, we can figure out Neptune's potential specs.

(Jupiter's hash / Jupiter's cores) * Neptune's cores = Neptune's GH/s
(650/192) * 1440 = 4875 GH/s

((Jupiter's hash / Jupiter's power) * Neptune's hash) - 40% reduction in power per core
((650/850) * 4875) - 40% = 2237 W


Beautiful, yes? Well I think you're really going to like this next bit. It seems like people were scared for nothing and might feel like crap now that they refunded their orders, especially because they could have sold their place in line on eBay and made ~$25,000 from it. Anyway, here goes.

Using my formulas from my thread at: http://forum.kncminer.com/forum/rese...ity-assessment
We can see the following.

7.6PH/s - KNC DC (More hash than both Neptune batches combined)
5.85PH/s - First batch Neptunes
5.85PH/s - Second batch Neptunes

Notice that the KNC DC is now going to be putting out 4.1PH/s less than both Neptune batches combined. (11.7PH/s for both Neptune batches combined)

~19.3PH/s - Total KNC hash being added by (presumably) the end of Q2.
~28PH/s - Total current BTC network hash (http://bitcoincharts.com/bitcoin/)

(19.3 / 28) * 100 = ~69% (Percent of the current hash rate)

3,815,723,799 (Current difficulty) + 69% (Amount of hash being added) = 2,632,849,421 (Difficulty increase)

Now for the good part.

Formula:
Let A = PH/s being added to the network

(A / 28) * 100 = B% (Percent of new hash being added)
3,815,723,799 + B% = C (Projected difficulty)

April after first batch Neptunes come online without DC: 4,617,025,797 (A = 5.85PH/s - ~15.93 BTC per 30 days)
April after first batch Neptunes come online with DC: 5,647,271,223 (A = 13.45PH/s - ~13.023 BTC per 30 days)

May after second batch Neptunes come online without DC: 5,418,327,795 (A = 11.7PH/s- ~13.575 BTC per 30 days)
May after second batch Neptunes come online with DC: 6,448,573,220 (A = 19.3PH/s- ~11.406 BTC per 30 days)

I used the profit calculator at: http://www.bitcoinx.com/profit/

Also, remember that I have no way of accounting for how much difficulty increase will happen this month accurately and so I based things off of the current difficulty. We also don't know anything in this post to be completely true or when the Neptunes will be shipping, so this whole post might be completely wrong. In other words, don't go off of what I say alone. Do your homework and see if you find this to be accurate enough for you.

~ReworkedScripts @ KnC forum

That's nearly 5Th at under 2500 watts. Still speculation given that other factors have remained the same; ie. same number of chips per unit, etc.
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March 05, 2014, 04:39:10 PM
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That's nearly 5Th at under 2500 watts. Still speculation given that other factors have remained the same; ie. same number of chips per unit, etc.

A lot of calculations done pretty fast by the community. I don't think, however, Jupiter and Neptune can be compared so directly - we have no idea at what clock speeds the Neptune chips will run. Though I am almost certain it will not be the same clock as the Jupiters, so in essence we can't compare core-for-core performance.
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March 05, 2014, 04:45:22 PM
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A lot of calculations done pretty fast. I don't think Jupiter and Neptune can be compared so directly - we have no idea at what clock speeds the Neptune chips will run. I am, however, almost certain it will not be the same clock as the Jupiters, so in essence we can't compare core-for-core performance.

Absolutely. There are a lot of things we STILL do not know. Instead of this being an attempt to show Neptune necessarily will hash at a theoretical 5TH, it's more meant as a counter to all the pseudo facts being thrown out in this clusterfuck of an over dramatic thread citing Neptune couldn't possibly ever ROI.

As others have said, we're not out of the woods yet.
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March 05, 2014, 05:24:30 PM
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Great news!

@ Avenger, you wasted so much time over the last month spreading and speculating FUD, it was unbelievable funny how much built up anger you have.  

I agree that the 20nm tapeout is great news for Knc, but they aren't out of the woods yet.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tape-out

First tapeout is rarely the end of work for the design team. Most chips will go through a set of spins in which fixes are implemented after testing the first article. Many different factors can cause a spin, including:
- The taped-out design fails final checks at the foundry due to problems manufacturing the design itself.
- The design is successfully fabricated, but the first article fails functionality tests.


Their execution was nearly flawless with 28nm chips, so the next month will show if lightning can strike twice with their 20nm product.


A small, lean, company not concerned with drawing out work so as to lengthen the duration of a project and associated paychecks, an aspect of manufacturing that's become deep seated and entrenched since so much manufacturing was exported, may show that it isn't as if lightening striking twice but competence.  Working competently in today's environment can put one on the unemployment line.



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March 05, 2014, 06:24:19 PM
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Knc is still knc

Best company out there

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March 05, 2014, 07:09:37 PM
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Great news!

@ Avenger, you wasted so much time over the last month spreading and speculating FUD, it was unbelievable funny how much built up anger you have.  

I agree that the 20nm tapeout is great news for Knc, but they aren't out of the woods yet.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tape-out

First tapeout is rarely the end of work for the design team. Most chips will go through a set of spins in which fixes are implemented after testing the first article. Many different factors can cause a spin, including:
- The taped-out design fails final checks at the foundry due to problems manufacturing the design itself.
- The design is successfully fabricated, but the first article fails functionality tests.


Their execution was nearly flawless with 28nm chips, so the next month will show if lightning can strike twice with their 20nm product.

kendog, being that tapeout was last month, and they are now announcing it, makes me believe it was successful or they would not have said a word until they had it right.....or maybe 'PLAN B' announcement was sign that it didn't go well?
I want to believe that KNC can do it again, time is getting closer.
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March 05, 2014, 07:18:04 PM
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A lot of calculations done pretty fast. I don't think Jupiter and Neptune can be compared so directly - we have no idea at what clock speeds the Neptune chips will run. I am, however, almost certain it will not be the same clock as the Jupiters, so in essence we can't compare core-for-core performance.

Absolutely. There are a lot of things we STILL do not know. Instead of this being an attempt to show Neptune necessarily will hash at a theoretical 5TH, it's more meant as a counter to all the pseudo facts being thrown out in this clusterfuck of an over dramatic thread citing Neptune couldn't possibly ever ROI.

As others have said, we're not out of the woods yet.
hey bitcoinorama, glad to see you back....

btw, are you back in the U.K.? I thought I read somewhere that someone in I believe London is selling burgers and taking Dogecoin, so in case you still have that small token of appreciation you might now have a place to eat with Dogecoin. Funny, one of the guys I work with tries to buy me lunch everyone once in while, as long as I pay him back in Dogecoin.

And speaking of Alt. coins, any word if KNC will ever pursue a scrypt miner?
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I'm confused...

I'm pretty sure Bitcoinorama and Bitconorama are not the same person..

Also, when was the original tapeout for the chips used in the Jupiter??  It was sometime in July if I remember correctly.. so we are looking at another 3-4 months if everything goes right?

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