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March 07, 2014, 07:00:33 PM
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I am happy for the tapeout and also confess that I was wrong thinking that they focus on datorhall exclusively now. My mistake, born out of frustration and long wait.
However, part of the initial trust was lost due to KnC own actions.
Here is the timeline:
1. Dec new post from KC-"keep your coins ready" for upgradable modules (for sure) and maybe Jupiters "from stock"-everybody were waiting, and...nothing, not a peep from company, apart from a post from o'rama.
2. Vague mention of a "possible" plan B with no details.
3. datorhall buildout (swedish video) with NO official news-nothing on facebook, twitter, official page, as if it did not exist.
4. ~5000 BTC mined in suggested datorhall address.

There is a possibility that #2-4 will be addressed in due course, I grant you that, but point #1 actually DID happen in the opposite direction (no upgrades) with no official info from the company apart from this thread post.

All and all, Neptunes will be in May-June by almost any calculation (optimistically, May 15 for CA, May 30 for 1st, June 30 for 2nd) , which is ~1 month later than I hoped. We should get electrical, etc info in the next 10-14 days, I hope.

Even #1 although it did happen, it wasn't "for sure". The actual quote is (and I'll highlight the bits I noticed when it was posted):

"If we do have more items to place in the shop for our 28nm range, we will announce this via one of our newsletters which will contain the time and date that they will go on sale. So keep some coins handy as we expect them to go quick."

People were waiting for upgrades/Jupiters regardless of "ifs"

I know, and they should have provided upgrades for Saturn and Mercury owners, in fact they did provide a sale of upgrades at one point, and yes it was badly handled, I don't disagree with some of the issues people have with the expectations regarding upgrades, remember I'm a customer also, and maybe would have liked to buy some upgrades or even spare boards for emergencys! But I'm not getting my knickers in a twist over it and I was just showing that they did couch the advice about whether their would be upgrades carefully with enough vagueness for me to be wary of it and certainly not to take it as a sure thing.

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March 07, 2014, 07:41:26 PM
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Sending the original payment for a Neptune by bank wire transfer, plus KnC taking out of the refund their bank's wire transfer fee plus my bank's incoming wire fee in the end has cost me $82 for the pleasure of doing business with KnC.

With friends like this, who needs enemies?
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March 07, 2014, 08:02:31 PM
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Sending the original payment for a Neptune by bank wire transfer, plus KnC taking out of the refund their bank's wire transfer fee plus my bank's incoming wire fee in the end has cost me $82 for the pleasure of doing business with KnC.

With friends like this, who needs enemies?
Totally.

You know what really bugs me? KNC claim to support bitcoin, but force everyone to accept refunds via wire transfer - the total anathema of bitcoin.

If they BELIEVE in bitcoin and are a bitcoin company, EVERYTHING should be transacted in bitcoin. End of.

They like it when they get paid in bitcoin - they pay zero fees.

But they are happy to fuck their customers the other way around and force them to swallow all the wire transfer fees, so it doesn't cost them anything to do business.

Bunch of lying, greedy assholes lining their pockets with no interest in supporting crypto currencies, only profiteering, nothing else.

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March 07, 2014, 08:11:27 PM
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Sending the original payment for a Neptune by bank wire transfer, plus KnC taking out of the refund their bank's wire transfer fee plus my bank's incoming wire fee in the end has cost me $82 for the pleasure of doing business with KnC.

With friends like this, who needs enemies?

With these transfer fees we need a new banking system! :-)
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March 07, 2014, 08:25:16 PM
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Sending the original payment for a Neptune by bank wire transfer, plus KnC taking out of the refund their bank's wire transfer fee plus my bank's incoming wire fee in the end has cost me $82 for the pleasure of doing business with KnC.

With friends like this, who needs enemies?
Totally.

You know what really bugs me? KNC claim to support bitcoin, but force everyone to accept refunds via wire transfer - the total anathema of bitcoin.

If they BELIEVE in bitcoin and are a bitcoin company, EVERYTHING should be transacted in bitcoin. End of.

They like it when they get paid in bitcoin - they pay zero fees.

But they are happy to fuck their customers the other way around and force them to swallow all the wire transfer fees, so it doesn't cost them anything to do business.

Bunch of lying, greedy assholes lining their pockets with no interest in supporting crypto currencies, only profiteering, nothing else.

Have you even got a life or is it your day job to spread FUD on KNC. 

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March 07, 2014, 08:25:42 PM
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Yes I think the Avenger's pics are funny too. It is like the guy icebreaker who hade Avenger's role in some other threads. It's just such a wierd way to spend your life but people should do what they want.

Yeah it is to little and mixed information coming out of KnC so they certanly spread some FUD themselves. :-)

Yes people can do what they want. Maybe some want to be seen as a forum hero? Some people are angry or bitter and want to spread hate.
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March 07, 2014, 08:37:10 PM
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I have an opinion. There are no official knc representatives on this forum, so you should take anything you read here with a pinch of salt. Anyone with 2 braincells should get that without having to be told.

KNC employ about 40(?) people, but they can't find 10 minutes out of their day to update customers on here? Pure contempt for their customers, that's what that shows.

I think KNC *don't give a damn* about bitcoin, for many reasons. But what could be stronger evidence then they force wire transfer refunds on customer who paid in bitcoin??

That is not FUD. That is my opinion.

This a forum for discussion.

Discuss, but don't try tell me what opinions I should have.

And this is the knc thread, not the "chat about Avenger thread".

So keep it on topic  Kiss

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March 07, 2014, 08:59:32 PM
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Divergent opinions are a great thing. There are a lot of very talented, smart enterprising people involved in this. We all may not agree on everything and I'm glad that we don't, but in the end we all are trying to look out for each other. All miners have is each other at times - so HUGZ to everyone! LOL!
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March 08, 2014, 12:27:05 AM
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Well lets hope KnC does the right thing and comes out with a press release at the end of this money for the people who are still on the pre-order list for the introductory and B1 orders explaining why things are delayed, if nothing ships.
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March 08, 2014, 01:20:18 AM
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So when they are going to launch that cloud?
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March 08, 2014, 01:49:04 AM
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'tape out' completed  Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked
this was totally unexpected, now I'm excited  Cheesy

Joeventura and his insider information has been wrong with his predictions that there wasn't going to be a physical miner, and I was actually starting to beleive him.

So how long does it take to slice and package wafers?  Anyone?

ok ok you can come back Orama...  this is good news and we can all be friends again  Tongue Kiss

Not long. The time consuming parts still ahead are validation and building the mask set. Time to package, if I remember correctly, is around 49 days from tape out.
KNC never announced when they taped out Jupiter, they just said "we did it ages ago" at some point during summer. Where did you get 49 days from? Seems a very precise number if you can barely remember

Edit: Dug it up, in case people think I'm being a classic FUDster  Grin

Hi Guys

We would like to say that. Yes....we did tape-out of the ASIC some time ago. The exact details of the ASIC schedule, volumes, vendor etc. is kept internal since it's very sensitive information towards competitors. The product development tasks are on-track."

We are still on schedule to begin shipping in September.

Thanks
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I think I saw it in the BlackArrow thread. I know it was from Global Foundries, that their average was 49 days from tapeout to a delivered package. What I don't recall was how long from wafer to package. I think it was ten days. What I couldn't recall was where I saw it, or I'd have posted a link. I recall the number quite well, because it's odd that it would be odd.

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March 08, 2014, 01:55:43 AM
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I've come to the conclusion that KnC pays Avanger. Since so few are saying bad things they said it's ok to pay Avanger to balance the karma Cheesy
Busted! All the BTC mined at the new datacentre is going directly to me so long as I keep the knc thread lively Grin

As we speak I'm being massaged by 6 naked swedish supermodels, while sipping on a glass of vintage DonDom P and dictating this message to the lacky who does my typing for me these day. Bitcoinorma is in the next room polishing my shoes. I might let him have his iphone back if he polishes them so well I can see individual beams of light refract off them from every possible angle, like a diamond. He's spent about 30 days polishing so far, I reckon he might be finished before neptune ships...

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March 08, 2014, 02:08:31 AM
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Fun with numbers

@1440 cores per ASIC

Either 3 ASIC runnin 1Th/s (750MHz clock) or 4 ASIC runnin 750 Gh/s (520MHz clock).

Based on scant info I'd guess 2000 Watts @ the wall MINIMU for 3T.

3 ASIC is ~600 Watt per ASIC  (660 minus ~ 10% loss in the PSU)
4 ASIC is ~450Watt  per  (might be less with slower clock)

That is a lot of heat to pump thru 16cm^2 (based on current 4cmx4cm  heatspreader on 5.5x5.5cm part).
Time to relearn thermal formulas for more fun.

If they go with 5x5cm heatspreader it's 25cm^2.

The largest 'common' heatsinks that I am familiar with are 50mmx50mm FWIW.

Plenty to argue about for the optimists AND the pessimists !

My current plan is to stay in line and take delivery!
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March 08, 2014, 06:44:11 AM
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Well to those who are wondering at the refund process I got my refund for 13.2k for 2nd batch Neptune order from knc.

I just looked today not sure how long it took but I send and got a reply to my email with the bank reply was accepted by knc same day of 2/25/14
so today is 3/8/2014....again not sure when it came in yet just have the balance from the atm..but less then what is 11 days...not bad.


So anyway I am also still holding on for a knc miracle on the batch 0 customer appreciation order at $10,131.20 w/ship to USA...

hoping for one or more of the below:

1) 4 to 4.5TH as a compensation..(yeah I'm dreaming)

2) virtual hash 3TH staring March 15th or so till physical miner (see above) (1) arrives say april 15th (yep still dreaming big here is what I am!)

3) can full refund up to the day I can decide between a full refund for miner or virtual miner or whatever

4) and hope like hell that everyone else has dropped Neptune orders...and an avalanche (volcano whatever) destabilizing the KNC GH farm (er after I get my physical (see 1 above) miner!


yep that about covers it for my "in my dreams" scenario

any thing less then at least something kinda sorta real from the above and coward that I am I will punt and run away.....(we also serve who scamper and quiver in the btc universe)

but my FALSE courage stems from the fact I THINK  I have time to refund yet ..if I'm wrong and I can virual mine in March or get physical miner soonest so be it


so fence sitting yet 

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March 08, 2014, 07:27:56 AM
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seems weird that my name would be repetitiously brought up wrt some sort of 'classic fudster' nonsense when all i have done is point out lies & liars.

it is not my doing or fault they were so vociferous, i merely came to point them out.

would it be better if they were left in peace to run amok among us??

seems that some would believe it to be so, i wonder why??

now that scammer1969 and his alter-ego brothers/mates have slunk off isnt it nicer & safer here?

i certainly think so, even if KnC still show us the same disregard they pretty much always have done.

it baffles me why some posters would prefer if the scammers were given free reign to just be cunts and even go so far as to defend them and/or offer them 'donations'

anyway, for 32 grand im entitled to voice my opinions, so put that in your pipe and dont smoke it, this is a public space!!

OTT & vicious, indeed!!
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March 08, 2014, 08:03:32 AM
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seems weird that my name would be repetitiously brought up wrt some sort of 'classic fudster' nonsense when all i have done is point out lies & liars.

it is not my doing or fault they were so vociferous, i merely came to point them out.

would it be better if they were left in peace to run amok among us??

seems that some would believe it to be so, i wonder why??

now that scammer1969 and his alter-ego brothers/mates have slunk off isnt it nicer & safer here?

i certainly think so, even if KnC still show us the same disregard they pretty much always have done.

it baffles me why some posters would prefer if the scammers were given free reign to just be cunts and even go so far as to defend them and/or offer them 'donations'

anyway, for 32 grand im entitled to voice my opinions, so put that in your pipe and dont smoke it, this is a public space!!

OTT & vicious, indeed!!


have you got any proof that pheonix1969 was a scammer? If you have then just prove it and stop.

or were you offended by some dispute/remarks by pheonix1969 in the past and haven't got over it?

You're just making yourself look like someone not operating on all cylinders.  Let it go, enough is enough.
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seems weird that my name would be repetitiously brought up wrt some sort of 'classic fudster' nonsense when all i have done is point out lies & liars.

it is not my doing or fault they were so vociferous, i merely came to point them out.

would it be better if they were left in peace to run amok among us??

seems that some would believe it to be so, i wonder why??

now that scammer1969 and his alter-ego brothers/mates have slunk off isnt it nicer & safer here?

i certainly think so, even if KnC still show us the same disregard they pretty much always have done.

it baffles me why some posters would prefer if the scammers were given free reign to just be cunts and even go so far as to defend them and/or offer them 'donations'

anyway, for 32 grand im entitled to voice my opinions, so put that in your pipe and dont smoke it, this is a public space!!

OTT & vicious, indeed!!


have you got any proof that pheonix1969 was a scammer? If you have then just prove it and stop.

or were you offended by some dispute/remarks by pheonix1969 in the past and haven't got over it?

You're just making yourself look like someone not operating on all cylinders.  Let it go, enough is enough.

One theory I can believe is that pheonix1969 was a big KNC fanboy, so the FUDster's felt it their duty at character assassination to help further their cause.

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March 08, 2014, 11:25:42 AM
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Anyone know the power requirements for the Neptunes?  I have some coming in and i want to buy some power supplies before hand.  i can't really ask for a refund as i have others depending on me making bitcoins for them.
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March 08, 2014, 11:39:54 AM
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Anyone know the power requirements for the Neptunes?  I have some coming in and i want to buy some power supplies before hand.  i can't really ask for a refund as i have others depending on me making bitcoins for them.

There is only speculation at this point as KnC has not released any final details yet. But it's likely going to require you to run your Neptune inside a co-location as you will likely need two to four 20AMP circuits to power one. In co-lo's you pay per circuit and not pay for the consumption of power.

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Anyone know the power requirements for the Neptunes?  I have some coming in and i want to buy some power supplies before hand.  i can't really ask for a refund as i have others depending on me making bitcoins for them.

There is only speculation at this point as KnC has not released any final details yet. But it's likely going to require you to run your Neptune inside a co-location as you will likely need two to four 20AMP circuits to power one. In co-lo's you pay per circuit and not pay for the consumption of power.



What 40A to 80A at 230V to power one Neptune I don't think so.  Even 40A@110V sounds far too high as Bitmine can get ~1(GH/s)/~1W@28nm at the wall socket.

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