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October 21, 2014, 06:51:49 AM
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Well,not to be a dick,but everyone was warned:



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October 21, 2014, 07:41:42 AM
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Hi all,

My name is Henrik Ask and I represent a debt collector in Sweden called God Finans (Good Finance in english).
I just got a case from a client here in Sweden who had not got his refund on a Neptune and we helped him get his money back.

As I understand it there are more people out there that have claims on KnC Miner. Please feel free to contact me and I will be glad to help you get your money back.

You can contact me on henrik.ask@godfinans.nu

maybe him ? http://se.linkedin.com/pub/henrik-ask/37/9ab/b4b

They will send you the titan at best. and that would be the end for your case with the debt collectors.
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October 21, 2014, 09:15:29 AM
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NOTE: This is mostly a re-hash of info from knc forums and bitcoin talk.....I just have been grabbing this info as it pops up on knc forum and here
in case (likely) after I get my Titan (that don't work) I will have to use such resources...there are probably better lists and more informed folks
but a couple people asked me via PM and this is what I have in my kncwtf folder...for when (not likely an if here) I too will have to use such
resources to get some kinda satisfaction back from KNC...in my case it is the Titan...

anyway as long as I made this to PM those guys for what it is worth I tossed i up here

I make NO CLAIMS ANY OF THIS WILL WORK OR THE FOLK INVOLVED ARE LEGIT ETC...Just a list of stuff/options I've been grabbing
in case KNC does not in some way make good on its promises of working products..delivered in time..doing wtf they said they were supposed to do

(yeah you are right I will be adding to this list and probably using it sooner rather then later)

best source is this thread and knc forums..but save knc forum stuff...I fully expect them to nuke the site..deletions and banning are way up
so save all the pages etc on the knc forum imho it is gonna get pulled one of these days





https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=170332.msg9236786#msg9236786

above fire hazard titan

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=170332.msg9212232#msg9212232

above knc form letter used from bitcoin talk

http://www.kncrefund.com/faq.html

above knc refund site

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=170332.msg9176241#msg9176241

above how much $$$ knc has been putting into its data farm vs getting

Neptune/Titans out and fixed


https://twitter.com/KNCRefund

above twitter knc refund feed

http://cryptomining-blog.com/3594-potential-class-action-lawsuit-against-

kncminer/

above news article on knc class action being taken


http://www.konsumentverket.se/otherlanguages/English/This-is-how-you-file-a-

complaint/

above complaining to swedish consumer protection agency

http://www.konsumentverket.se/otherlanguages/English/Consumer-rights/Right-

to-cancel-a-purchase-Right-of-withdrawal/

above right to cancel 14 days same agency

http://www.konsumentverket.se/otherlanguages/English/Consumer-

rights/Defective-goodsComplaint-/

above same agency defective goods policy (plenty of titan neptune probs)

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=170332.msg9195914#msg9195914

another form letter to an agency to look at or use as an example of how

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=170332.msg9196020#msg9196020

above links to the above also usa Better Business Bureau and world wide one

https://www.bbb.org/

usa better business bureau

http://www.consumersinternational.org/

above consumers international

http://europa.eu/youreurope/citizens/shopping/unfair-treatment/unfair-

contract-terms/index_en.htm

above unfair contract terms EU

http://kncclassaction.com/

knc class action being considered (one of many)

https://www.ftccomplaintassistant.gov/#crnt&panel1-1

above usa FTC federal Trade Commission

http://forum.kncminer.com/forum/off-topic/miners-cafe/64659-poll-in-your-

opinion-when-will-titan-finish-shipping

above missed shipping date knc forum

http://forum.kncminer.com/forum/main-category/hardware/64717-truth-about-

titan-cubes

above example of titan cube issues

you just need to go on knc forum and look around before stuff is deleted
on how much all this Titan just does not work...

cubes/controllers/will not mine on multiple pools will not mine on fast block

coins ..only works litecoin...just use the forums to find many of the specific

instances...

copy the pages when you do cause I myself expect them to pull the forum as

people get more rilled up and they flush the site
too many details but that is where most of the real info is at on problems

https://www.kncminer.com/news/news-111

https://www.kncminer.com/news/news-112



above knc news on titan problems


that should keep anyone more then busy

as to myself I'm unsure about the proper method ..I don't think refusing the

unit will help..from their actions so far they would simply hold the unit

hostage if they know you are going after them legally imho

i myself will probably wait get the unit then do all or most of the above like

everyone else after the fact..in that 9 out of 10 of the Titans don't seem to

work in some manner ..most have at least 1 bad cube etc....we likely will have

to play RMA games with KNC and document everything and use the resources above

anyway what i plan on doing getting it in hand see what is broken then do the

consumer protection stuff above...right now if you complain to kurt or to

sales at knc in my experience they just don't reply to you anymore in

email..which could be tough on a RMA in the future or something..so imho
it is not much of a streach if you complain before you get your unit..you may

never see the unit..such as it is

anyway I just have been grabbing these links as they pop up on bitcoin talk

..some may be scams....just be wary of them....others should continue to get

on and say how things are working for them...but get on the swedish miner

forum of bitcoin talk and just keep track also yell in forums for help from

others more up on this or in the process then myself also

if you do want to tip as you suggested feel free to do so ..it is not needed

however in that as long as I made this speel here ..I may as well post it on

bitcoin talk as well

but here is my bitcoin address .. again I just compiled the info so not that

big a deal

14LZGNSwg274baePA7AUBreUAxtRKx3KhK

well off to dump this on bitcoin talk as long as I wrote it all out...I'm sure

others have better info and more links ...swedish miner forum on bitcoin talk

and knc forums is where you will get the most info..be guick on the knc forums

and save the info ...I do expect them to flush their site one of these days

when things get more heated

and again keep track of this thread and knc forums thread ....for the latest info on new legal options
or progress of the above existing options

good luck

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October 21, 2014, 09:36:05 AM
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Searing, your posts need to be longer.

Run a Bitcoin node, support the network.
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October 21, 2014, 09:38:07 AM
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Searing, your posts need to be longer.

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October 21, 2014, 12:09:00 PM
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Well its been a full month now since KNC announced that they had started shipping the Titan (Q2/Q3, well within Q3 LOL) and I'm still waiting for my Titan, payment received 3/21. They have now had my hard earned $10000 for a full 7 months. The only thing I have received from KNC is a ban from their forums.

The implied warrantees of merchantability and fitness for purpose which exist on all commercial goods can not be voided by KNC claims of a non-refund policy.

The Titan is a faulty product which is unsafe to operate as shipped and has not been delivered in the promised timeframe.

The best you can say about it is that it mines some scrypt coins some of the time on some pools for some people, for a while before exhibiting reliability problems.

Kurt's claims of a 'silent majority' of satisfied Titan owners whom nobody has seen or heard of is unsubstantiated. His past employment with Fantasy Interactive" ( http://se.linkedin.com/in/kurt667 ) has obviously prepared him well for his current position.

KNC won't be selling anyone I know in the crypto mining world another product, ever.
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KnC is finished. They will not be selling even calculators.

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October 21, 2014, 02:03:07 PM
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As a warning.
I sent equipment to guarantee the KNC.
When it come back to me? No one knows!

Fredrik (kncminer)
Hi,
I'm sorry, but we do not have a estimated time. We will get back to you when your cubes are ready to be shipped out.
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Take it easy. Lets see some sort of legal opinion on the chances of such an action. All I heard from Magnus is to pay them $1,500 up in front. What are these fees for and what scenarios are on the table? Are there any further fees to be paid? Nova may well be milking us all.
Just think twice before joining, ask for more information on the tactics etc. Do not be stupid!

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October 21, 2014, 02:49:52 PM
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Good advice.
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October 21, 2014, 03:10:22 PM
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Take it easy. Lets see some sort of legal opinion on the chances of such an action. All I heard from Magnus is to pay them $1,500 up in front. What are these fees for and what scenarios are on the table? Are there any further fees to be paid? Nova may well be milking us all.
Just think twice before joining, ask for more information on the tactics etc. Do not be stupid!


i asked him all the questions and the only reply I got from him is he wants $1,500 wired, no answer about how he will proceed, what grounds he will use for law suit, time frame. Where 1,500 will be used etc. I have been stupid once with KnC, am not looking to pay someone without answers.
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October 21, 2014, 03:31:13 PM
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There is lots of money on the table. I imagine that legal fees will be recovered so if there are chances for the group action Nova will get paid by the respondents. THe question is would they accept instructions on "no win no fee' basis or at least reduce their entry fee. Otherwise it is not fair. I cannot imagine making a class action and asking for money from the people without giving the most basic information. It is just unprofessional.

THe good thing is that the case is getting some attention in the media. Perhaps there are other practicies interested in this action. We just have to wait and see.

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Be careful of Trojan Horses
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October 21, 2014, 04:47:59 PM
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Lol. KnC moved up?  Shocked
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October 21, 2014, 04:48:27 PM
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Take it easy. Lets see some sort of legal opinion on the chances of such an action. All I heard from Magnus is to pay them $1,500 up in front. What are these fees for and what scenarios are on the table? Are there any further fees to be paid? Nova may well be milking us all.
Just think twice before joining, ask for more information on the tactics etc. Do not be stupid!


i asked him all the questions and the only reply I got from him is he wants $1,500 wired, no answer about how he will proceed, what grounds he will use for law suit, time frame. Where 1,500 will be used etc. I have been stupid once with KnC, am not looking to pay someone without answers.

It sounds mad scammy. I wouldn't trust the "just trust me" business model anywhere and especially not with anything involving Bitcoin. If you want to sue these people you need an EU based lawyer. I don't know what kind of flow you guys have but if you're seriously in the red here it might be worth flying out to Sweden and hiring a lawyer there.
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October 21, 2014, 06:38:30 PM
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I would only pay Mangus Daar Esq part of the money I would get back, not up front. So, it would be paying him after the money.

DO NOT PRE-ORDER LEGAL SERVICE!!!

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A work in progress kncnews.org

Please PM me additional info/links you think might be useful.
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October 21, 2014, 08:00:06 PM
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I have no basis for this, but I'm figuring the yields were so bad that there were not enough decent ones in the first batch of chips to fulfill the first batch of miner orders... So KnC could be waiting on the second batch of chips to assemble and ship the remaining 1st batch miners. And then I guess they wait 30 days and then start shipping the 2nd batch? Who knows. F'ing pricks. They should be offering a refund option to any batch 1 customer who has not yet received their product.
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http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-10-21/bitcoin-miner-ditches-clients-to-chase-2-billion-coding-prize.html
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