Swedish ASIC miner company kncminer.com

[opentoe]

https://www.kncminer.com/news/news-24

That's great news for fans of KNC.  Meaning they will release a competitive product in Sept, sell it until the ROI drops and then design and release a new competitive product according to the network hash rate in 2014.   We all know these units will not be worth the current price in 6-8 months so what KNC is saying is really good for the customers.

Just remember to save enough BTC to get the next version and you will continue to thrive.

It also provides some information for non customers who feel it is too late to purchase.  You can save up and purchase a Gen2 device which should be profitable.  Just get in early next time.

It sounds like KNC is thinking they are the only ones making miners and will be the only ones shipping. Having them take a three month break without shipping is nice for them....but other companies will take advantage of that and use that against them, no?

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[opentoe]

So the main page says shipping October.  But if you go to purchase a product it says shipping September.  Which is it?
Unless they mean shipping September 31 which is equivalent to October 1 

I was wondering the same thing but a closer look probably explains it:

Main page says:

Orders paid today will ship in October this year.

Details on product page for Jupiter and Saturn say:

Shipping begins in September

So they are confirming that shipping is suppose to start in September and given their current estimates if you ordered and paid today you would get it in October.

Their webpage says if you order today you WILL receive their miner on October. So for me, who paid over a month ago should receive my miner in September then, right? If someone can come along and order 30 days after me and get the same miner I ordered and get it just a few days after me I'll be pretty upset.

[opentoe]

Ok, I'd love to upgrade my Saturn to a Jupiter but I'm afraid that would back me up and I would receive my unit later then if I didn't upgrade. Anyone know the answer to that? If you buy the upgrade are you in anyway screwing yourself possibly getting your miner later then sooner?


Also, I live in the US and I'm concerned about what kind of power supply to get. I'd really like to be prepared for this and have my power supply purchased already and/or any special electric lines I need to run in my home. Since the Saturn is only 500 watts, I doubt I need to run any high powered electric lines, but will I be able to use a regular US purchased computer power supply?
SEASONIC power supplies are the best and I plan to buy one of them and use my APC UPS also for  a little extra protection.

Any technical info on stuff like that or too early yet?

[dhenson]

opentoe, the last 5 posts are from you.  It's possible that you may wound a little too tight for the pre-order ASIC mining game.

just my 2c

Orders placed now will be shipped in October.  If you ordered in the first week or two then you will get yours in September.

Don't buy a Power Supply yet as the final specs aren't yet known.  They have specifically said they will consume LESS than 1000W and have told those planning on purchasing 1200W power supplies not to purchase until the final specs are published.

As for the pause in shipment, this is a VERY good thing for us.  KnC has the highest capacity to produce mining hardware at the moment, the less they produce after we receive our equipment, the faster we will gain ROI and turn a profit.

The only other thing I can say is calm down, buy a puppy or something.

[Rampion]

opentoe, the last 5 posts are from you.  It's possible that you may wound a little too tight for the pre-order ASIC mining game.

just my 2c

Orders placed now will be shipped in October.  If you ordered in the first week or two then you will get yours in September.

Don't buy a Power Supply yet as the final specs aren't yet known.  They have specifically said they will consume LESS than 1000W and have told those planning on purchasing 1200W power supplies not to purchase until the final specs are published.

As for the pause in shipment, this is a VERY good thing for us.  KnC has the highest capacity to produce mining hardware at the moment, the less they produce after we receive our equipment, the faster we will gain ROI and turn a profit.

The only other thing I can say is calm down, buy a puppy or something.

What capacity? How many units did they ship so far?

[dhenson]

What capacity? How many units did they ship so far?

So, by your insinuation I take it that you don't believe they will produce at least 1000TH in 2013?  If they continued to produce, that number would at least double.  I honestly don't understand your point.

[dwdoc]

I think he means until they actually produce and ship an ASIC miner we dont know what or when their "capacity" will be. Will they be like Avalon or BFL, or something else we haven't seen?

[robix]

*note disclaimer, I own no hardware (other than temporary stock), have no preorders and no affiliation*

Something is wrong here with this simulation. Its a side view of the board at the bottom, with package and chip slightly above, with a 4 heatpipe heatsink. The left, blue side is showing an ambient intake of 25C, exhausting at ~50C.

Now, look at the chip area; its deep oranges at best. Their own simulation is telling us the chip's heatspreader [not even the chip itself] is somewhere between 125-150C. I don't know a consumer grade chip that gets even close to these temps, nor materials creating using conventional techniques that would withstand 24/7 at these temperates.

Its hard to tell without a larger image but it looks like an auto scaled legend, so its reporting a spot temperature somewhere on the chip of 223C. I am not aware of the limitations of the exact simulations they ran, but if mine came back and showed that I would be weeing myself.

tldr: Either that simulation is made up, fake, wrong, set up horrifically - or the chips are running @150C+.

That's right imho. Any experts here to comment on that?

@kncminer

Could you clarify please?

[Anenome5]

Might it be worst-case, maximum-overclock, and possibly ignoring the function of the heat-pipes entirely.

[erk]

*note disclaimer, I own no hardware (other than temporary stock), have no preorders and no affiliation*

Something is wrong here with this simulation. Its a side view of the board at the bottom, with package and chip slightly above, with a 4 heatpipe heatsink. The left, blue side is showing an ambient intake of 25C, exhausting at ~50C.

Now, look at the chip area; its deep oranges at best. Their own simulation is telling us the chip's heatspreader [not even the chip itself] is somewhere between 125-150C. I don't know a consumer grade chip that gets even close to these temps, nor materials creating using conventional techniques that would withstand 24/7 at these temperates.

Its hard to tell without a larger image but it looks like an auto scaled legend, so its reporting a spot temperature somewhere on the chip of 223C. I am not aware of the limitations of the exact simulations they ran, but if mine came back and showed that I would be weeing myself.

tldr: Either that simulation is made up, fake, wrong, set up horrifically - or the chips are running @150C+.

That's right imho. Any experts here to comment on that?

@kncminer

Could you clarify please?

They could always use a Vapor Chamber heatsink if they need to, they can handle 300watts each, something like: http://www.radianheatsinks.com/VaporChamberTechnology.aspx

200watts for a single chip is high, but manageable if the package us large enough, which it looks like it might be.

[mrb]

*note disclaimer, I own no hardware (other than temporary stock), have no preorders and no affiliation*

Something is wrong here with this simulation. Its a side view of the board at the bottom, with package and chip slightly above, with a 4 heatpipe heatsink. The left, blue side is showing an ambient intake of 25C, exhausting at ~50C.

Now, look at the chip area; its deep oranges at best. Their own simulation is telling us the chip's heatspreader [not even the chip itself] is somewhere between 125-150C. I don't know a consumer grade chip that gets even close to these temps, nor materials creating using conventional techniques that would withstand 24/7 at these temperates.

Its hard to tell without a larger image but it looks like an auto scaled legend, so its reporting a spot temperature somewhere on the chip of 223C. I am not aware of the limitations of the exact simulations they ran, but if mine came back and showed that I would be weeing myself.

tldr: Either that simulation is made up, fake, wrong, set up horrifically - or the chips are running @150C+.

Exactly.  Even companies like AMD or Nvidia, with the best thermal engineers and ASIC designers on the planet, barely manage to approach 200-250W consumed by the GPU ASIC chip only (even then, a good 50W+ is consumed by the rest of the card, so the GPU ASIC itself is closer to 200W, not 250W).

KnCMiner is so ridiculously underestimating the complexity of their technical choices... There is absolutely no way they will ship a ~250W 100Gh/s chip (their claims) in October 2013. Mark my words.

It is mind-boggling to see the number of people who accept KnCMiner's claims of feasibility without blinking an eye.

KnCMiner will either spectacularly fail to deliver anything. Or they will have to underclock their chips and increase the number of chips per device to match their performance numbers per device (like BFL did with the Single SC).

[titomane]

*note disclaimer, I own no hardware (other than temporary stock), have no preorders and no affiliation*

Something is wrong here with this simulation. Its a side view of the board at the bottom, with package and chip slightly above, with a 4 heatpipe heatsink. The left, blue side is showing an ambient intake of 25C, exhausting at ~50C.

Now, look at the chip area; its deep oranges at best. Their own simulation is telling us the chip's heatspreader [not even the chip itself] is somewhere between 125-150C. I don't know a consumer grade chip that gets even close to these temps, nor materials creating using conventional techniques that would withstand 24/7 at these temperates.

Its hard to tell without a larger image but it looks like an auto scaled legend, so its reporting a spot temperature somewhere on the chip of 223C. I am not aware of the limitations of the exact simulations they ran, but if mine came back and showed that I would be weeing myself.

tldr: Either that simulation is made up, fake, wrong, set up horrifically - or the chips are running @150C+.

I think
223 isnt Centigrade are Fahrenheit .  

   223F are 106C.

[bitpop]

F would explain it all though it's not the normal unit

[mrb]

I think
223 isnt Centigrade are Fahrenheit .  

   223F are 106C.

Nope. It is centigrade. Note the temperature of the input air: 25C, which is average room temperature. Who on earth would run a consumer device simulation with ambient temps of 25F/-4C ?!

If it was fahrenheit, KnCMiner would be telling us their device requires below zero ambient temperature

[Mota]

*note disclaimer, I own no hardware (other than temporary stock), have no preorders and no affiliation*

Something is wrong here with this simulation. Its a side view of the board at the bottom, with package and chip slightly above, with a 4 heatpipe heatsink. The left, blue side is showing an ambient intake of 25C, exhausting at ~50C.

Now, look at the chip area; its deep oranges at best. Their own simulation is telling us the chip's heatspreader [not even the chip itself] is somewhere between 125-150C. I don't know a consumer grade chip that gets even close to these temps, nor materials creating using conventional techniques that would withstand 24/7 at these temperates.

Its hard to tell without a larger image but it looks like an auto scaled legend, so its reporting a spot temperature somewhere on the chip of 223C. I am not aware of the limitations of the exact simulations they ran, but if mine came back and showed that I would be weeing myself.

tldr: Either that simulation is made up, fake, wrong, set up horrifically - or the chips are running @150C+.

I think
223 isnt Centigrade are Fahrenheit .  

   223F are 106C.

^What he said. But seriously, It's a 28nm Chip, they run pretty low temperature-wise. AND you can pretty much figure it's Fahrenheit since max. temp. is at over 200 degree; at that point the soldering would melt in Celsius...

[bitpop]

Maybe it's cold fan air?

I think
223 isnt Centigrade are Fahrenheit . 

   223F are 106C.

Nope. It is centigrade. Note the temperature of the input air: 25C, which is average room temperature. Who on earth would run a consumer device simulation with ambient temps of 25F/-4C ?!

If it was fahrenheit, KnCMiner would be telling us their device requires below zero ambient temperature

[rangedriver]

Cold fan air at -4C??

[bitpop]

Next to an ac?

[mrb]

Next to an ac?

There is no house A/C that blows air at 25F.
Do you realize how cold 25F is? It turns water into ice!

[bitpop]

Lol well they have our money, if it was a scam they'd be gone by now. Only thing I can think of is disinformation ;-)