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Lol, remember if you have a blackout your connection goes down and mining doesn't do anything.
ETA Stupid 6 minute wait between posts.
I'll go for the cost benefit analysis route then. If you buy multiple UPS devices large enough to keep mining perpetually through a long blackout you will have spent more than the difference you would make mining at that time. If you live in a place where your power is out often enough for that to not be true, you should be looking at a backup generator system already just to enjoy living or working there.
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December 05, 2013, 08:34:35 PM |
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Lol, remember if you have a blackout your connection goes down and mining doesn't do anything.
That isn't always true. I get internet via a cable connection, and have my cable modem and router hooked up to a UPS backup. When the power goes out, I can continue to surf the internet until the UPS backup dies. |
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December 05, 2013, 08:41:08 PM |
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I meant the person who creates the pool software. I get how the node works. Also, the block difficulty is the same for all the pools but wouldn't strong machines working on "harder" solutions to the block end up solving them more often?
"Q: Why does my miner say it has found a lot of shares but p2pool say I have only found a few?!
A: The real P2Pool difficulty is hundreds of times higher than on normal pools, but p2pool essentially lies to your miner and tells it to work on relatively easy shares so that it submits shares every few seconds instead of every few hours. P2Pool then ignores any submitted shares that don't match the real share difficulty. By doing this, P2Pool can more accurately report your local hash rate and you can see if you are having problems with too many stale shares quickly"
Wouldn't that increased difficulty increase the luck of the pool?
Well, p2pool is opensource, and has been around for a good while. The author, forrestv, is a reputable member of the bitcoin community, as far as I can tell. The meaning of the question you quote is that most pools set a share difficulty which is relatively low (probably somewhere in the range of 64-512 for KnC miners), and it sets your payout based on how many of those shares you submit versus others also mining on the pool. P2Pool doesn't work that way. It actually has its own block chain, and each block has a difficulty that is considerably higher than the traditional share difficulty, but still much lower than the bitcoin network difficulty (currently this difficulty is in the 300K - 450K range), and your payout is based on how many of those blocks you solve relative to other miners. People mining on P2Pool typically don't have machines that are any 'stronger' than people mining on any other pool. They use the same hardware as people mining on other pools. The block solutions for the P2Pool blocks are harder than typical pool shares, but that doesn't have any effect on how many actual bitcoin blocks get mined by the pool. I think this has already wandered way off topic for this thread, so if anyone has any more questions about p2pool, we should probably take it to the appropriate thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=18313.0 |
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December 05, 2013, 08:44:55 PM |
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December 05, 2013, 08:46:35 PM |
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Lol, remember if you have a blackout your connection goes down and mining doesn't do anything.
That isn't always true. I get internet via a cable connection, and have my cable modem and router hooked up to a UPS backup. When the power goes out, I can continue to surf the internet until the UPS backup dies. Your internet will work during a blackout and give miners a better chance of reconnecting. The most benefit is if your breaker blows where your router is plugged in though. You could put a cheap wifi remote power switch on your miners and restart them while your away. Which would require a ups on your router. It would be a lot better then a ups for your miners. A extra 5 minutes of mining when the power goes out is never going to be cost effective. |
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December 05, 2013, 08:52:23 PM |
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December 05, 2013, 09:07:45 PM |
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Lol, remember if you have a blackout your connection goes down and mining doesn't do anything.
That isn't always true. I get internet via a cable connection, and have my cable modem and router hooked up to a UPS backup. When the power goes out, I can continue to surf the internet until the UPS backup dies. Your internet will work during a blackout and give miners a better chance of reconnecting. The most benefit is if your breaker blows where your router is plugged in though. You could put a cheap wifi remote power switch on your miners and restart them while your away. Which would require a ups on your router. It would be a lot better then a ups for your miners. A extra 5 minutes of mining when the power goes out is never going to be cost effective. Another benefit is most of the nice ones will smooth out and clean the electricity for you, along with giving you 5 minutes of extra uptime. The uptime is also nice if you have to rearrange wiring for some reason. There are benefits, but it's not going to keep you going when the electricity is "truly out". |
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December 05, 2013, 09:27:17 PM |
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Another benefit is most of the nice ones will smooth out and clean the electricity for you, along with giving you 5 minutes of extra uptime. The uptime is also nice if you have to rearrange wiring for some reason. There are benefits, but it's not going to keep you going when the electricity is "truly out".
I don't know if this issue exists on KnC miners, but if you don't shut down properly on say.. BitFury, it could leave the file system in an unstable state. When you restart, it will attempt to fsck and repair the file system.... which usually just screws up the entire file system and you need to reimage the OS from scratch. So yes, having a UPS to prevent unexpected shutdowns and file system corruption is important to me. |
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December 05, 2013, 09:47:33 PM |
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@xyzzy099
I love the idea of p2pool but I keep hearing there are issues with KnC Miners.
Any stability issues for you?
Is it possible to merge mine(nmc,ixc,dvc) with p2pool and if so how difficult is it to set it up with your own node?
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December 05, 2013, 09:49:42 PM |
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Much much better the November Jupiter from October Jupiter
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December 05, 2013, 09:57:00 PM |
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@xyzzy099
I love the idea of p2pool but I keep hearing there are issues with KnC Miners.
Any stability issues for you?
Is it possible to merge mine(nmc,ixc,dvc) with p2pool and if so how difficult is it to set it up with your own node?
I have not had any issues with stability. If you are running your own node, you can merge-mine any coins that are merge-mineable, but you are effectively solo-mining those coins. |
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December 05, 2013, 10:20:40 PM |
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November order received today. Order placed October 6th. All I can say is the November Jupiters rock!!!  Performing better than anticipated. Thanks KNC!! |
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December 05, 2013, 10:26:18 PM |
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Much much better the November Jupiter from October Jupiter
That's the point so many miss. The October Jupiter was a prototype. They relied on it working. If it's didn't - knc would be bust or in prison. People think it's some proof they are an amazing company, but the company who pulled it together don't even appear to be related to the 20nm project (i.e. Orsoc). All knc did was lie and decieve and ship late and faulty goods to many customers who paid a premium and refuse to rectify that without it costing the customer a few extra grand. The November Jup had a month worth of refining and tweaking. It's hardly surprising it's better. But the real thing that is interesting is - if they spent a month refining the jupiter - will they shelve this product? You'd almost bet 99:1 they will continue to sell a successful, refined product. It'll be a real sickening marketing twist if they decide to kill it for the sole purpose of pumping nepturd sales for delivery in 7 months from now. Considering how greedy knc are, you'd expect them to sell another batch or three of Jupiters. I guess they are stuck in the position between wanting to be greedy and cash in on functioning jupiter design. Or getting greedy for $13k orders for something they can sit on the money for another 7 months. It'll give them a break from lying about all Nov deliveries going out 15th November, before end of November, definitely first week of December, maybe some time next week. All you suckers who think a company who have NOT MADE ANY DELIVERY DEADLINES - Not September, Not October, Not fire sale rma boards and Not November units who think they will deliver in April or May or June 2014 or any time in Q2 are smoking crack and just can't see the difference between the lies knc spread and what they actually DO. Frankly, the fact they have said nothing since the lie on their newsletter on the 25th (10 days ago) where they made the bs claim "We aim to have all the November boxes shipped before the end of the month" is a disgrace. Who can take these bs lies any more, after all the lies they have spread for the last 3 months about when they will and what they will deliver? The fact their company shill has gone into hiding for the last 5 days, even though the last time *it* logged in was just a few hours ago shows this is a shit company who rely on keeping customers in the dark. It seems people enjoy being treated like mushrooms, rather than having the backbone to mention the fact they are losing thousands of dollars as they wait in the dark for the goods they paid a premium for to sometime, somewhere, somehow actually ship when paid and promised. |
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December 05, 2013, 10:36:59 PM |
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Much much better the November Jupiter from October Jupiter
That's the point so many miss. The October Jupiter was a prototype. They relied on it working. If it's didn't - knc would be bust or in prison. People think it's some proof they are an amazing company, but the company who pulled it together don't even appear to be related to the 20nm project (i.e. Orsoc). All knc did was lie and decieve and ship late and faulty goods to many customers who paid a premium and refuse to rectify that without it costing the customer a few extra grand. The November Jup had a month worth of refining and tweaking. It's hardly surprising it's better. But the real thing that is interesting is - if they spent a month refining the jupiter - will they shelve this product? You'd almost bet 99:1 they will continue to sell a successful, refined product. It'll be a real sickening marketing twist if they decide to kill it for the sole purpose of pumping nepturd sales for delivery in 7 months from now. Considering how greedy knc are, you'd expect them to sell another batch or three of Jupiters. I guess they are stuck in the position between wanting to be greedy and cash in on functioning jupiter design. Or getting greedy for $13k orders for something they can sit on the money for another 7 months. It'll give them a break from lying about all Nov deliveries going out 15th November, before end of November, definitely first week of December, maybe some time next week. All you suckers who think a company who have NOT MADE ANY DELIVERY DEADLINES - Not September, Not October, Not fire sale rma boards and Not November units who think they will deliver in April or May or June 2014 or any time in Q2 are smoking crack and just can't see the difference between the lies knc spread and what they actually DO. Frankly, the fact they have said nothing since the lie on their newsletter on the 25th (10 days ago) where they made the bs claim "We aim to have all the November boxes shipped before the end of the month" is a disgrace. Who can take these bs lies any more, after all the lies they have spread for the last 3 months about when they will and what they will deliver? The fact their company shill has gone into hiding for the last 5 days, even though the last time *it* logged in was just a few hours ago shows this is a shit company who rely on keeping customers in the dark. It seems people enjoy being treated like mushrooms, rather than having the backbone to mention the fact they are losing thousands of dollars as they wait in the dark for the goods they paid a premium for to sometime, somewhere, somehow actually ship when paid and promised. What you on about I ordered a 650GH@28nm asic on November 11th 2013 and its shipped already. In bitcoinland that's groundbreaking. About the Neptunes well KNC have a very good track record. Their first Jupiters were only a week or so late and again in bitcoinland that is groundbreaking. What is your trolling needed for? Are you a paid shill perhaps? |
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December 05, 2013, 10:41:57 PM |
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Much much better the November Jupiter from October Jupiter
That's the point so many miss. The October Jupiter was a prototype. They relied on it working. If it's didn't - knc would be bust or in prison. People think it's some proof they are an amazing company, but the company who pulled it together don't even appear to be related to the 20nm project (i.e. Orsoc). All knc did was lie and decieve and ship late and faulty goods to many customers who paid a premium and refuse to rectify that without it costing the customer a few extra grand. The November Jup had a month worth of refining and tweaking. It's hardly surprising it's better. But the real thing that is interesting is - if they spent a month refining the jupiter - will they shelve this product? You'd almost bet 99:1 they will continue to sell a successful, refined product. It'll be a real sickening marketing twist if they decide to kill it for the sole purpose of pumping nepturd sales for delivery in 7 months from now. Considering how greedy knc are, you'd expect them to sell another batch or three of Jupiters. I guess they are stuck in the position between wanting to be greedy and cash in on functioning jupiter design. Or getting greedy for $13k orders for something they can sit on the money for another 7 months. It'll give them a break from lying about all Nov deliveries going out 15th November, before end of November, definitely first week of December, maybe some time next week. All you suckers who think a company who have NOT MADE ANY DELIVERY DEADLINES - Not September, Not October, Not fire sale rma boards and Not November units who think they will deliver in April or May or June 2014 or any time in Q2 are smoking crack and just can't see the difference between the lies knc spread and what they actually DO. Frankly, the fact they have said nothing since the lie on their newsletter on the 25th (10 days ago) where they made the bs claim "We aim to have all the November boxes shipped before the end of the month" is a disgrace. Who can take these bs lies any more, after all the lies they have spread for the last 3 months about when they will and what they will deliver? The fact their company shill has gone into hiding for the last 5 days, even though the last time *it* logged in was just a few hours ago shows this is a shit company who rely on keeping customers in the dark. It seems people enjoy being treated like mushrooms, rather than having the backbone to mention the fact they are losing thousands of dollars as they wait in the dark for the goods they paid a premium for to sometime, somewhere, somehow actually ship when paid and promised. Waaaahhh... Aim to have all november boxes shipped before the end of the month, and the end of the november shipments are being shipped today or tomorrow. I'll take a 5 day window on this without a problem thanks, compared to many months of delays for other manufacturers. I wish I'd been certain of this purchase before buying, I'd have ordered 10 more. I do hope they open up jupiter sales again, I'd buy them at 5k all day. |
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December 05, 2013, 10:47:06 PM |
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When I bought the November batch, it was rated at 550 and it wasn't until a week or two later that the improved specs were announced. The 5 day delay in shipping is nothing, and I agree. If they offered more Jupiters at $5k in the next month to 6 weeks, I'd buy another 2.
Nothing but a satisfied customer here.
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December 05, 2013, 10:47:56 PM |
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Buyer of the Nov Jup's had sent UPS return label.... Wow...I was able to send it mainland right from the back of the truck! He taped it right over the old label....wah-lah! No driving 50 miles & waiting in xmas lines,..... so cool!
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December 05, 2013, 11:22:40 PM |
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Buyer of the Nov Jup's had sent UPS return label.... Wow...I was able to send it mainland right from the back of the truck! He taped it right over the old label....wah-lah! No driving 50 miles & waiting in xmas lines,..... so cool!
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December 05, 2013, 11:25:42 PM |
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December 05, 2013, 11:40:39 PM |
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What you on about I ordered a 650GH@28nm asic on November 11th 2013 and its shipped already. In bitcoinland that's groundbreaking. About the Neptunes well KNC have a very good track record. Their first Jupiters were only a week or so late and again in bitcoinland that is groundbreaking. What is your trolling needed for? Are you a paid shill perhaps?
I'm the shill ghost of Christmas future and I'll be back in April, May and June 2014 to laugh in the Q2 face of people's misheld belief in kfc's ability and trustworthiness. Waaaahhh... Aim to have all november boxes shipped before the end of the month, and the end of the november shipments are being shipped today or tomorrow. I'll take a 5 day window on this without a problem thanks, compared to many months of delays for other manufacturers. I wish I'd been certain of this purchase before buying, I'd have ordered 10 more. I do hope they open up jupiter sales again, I'd buy them at 5k all day.
You are a bit too stupid to realise you were promised shipping starting 15th Nov - I think you'll find that was 21 days ago, not 5. But hey Rick James - cocaine is a helluva drug. Smoke the knc crack pipe, it'll be 6 more months before you can see you were screwed. Like I really care |
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