Swedish ASIC miner company kncminer.com

[Guy Corem]

I have a second batch order.... Your opinion... Have I to request a refund ?

Taped Out in March: https://www.kncminer.com/news/news-78
TSMC 20nm cycle time (masks creation) is 4-5 months. Samples in July / August. Miners probably in August / September

[pedrosoft]

I have a second batch order.... Your opinion... Have I to request a refund ?

Taped Out in March: https://www.kncminer.com/news/news-78
TSMC 20nm cycle time (masks creation) is 4-5 months. Samples in July / August. Miners probably in August / September

I'm worried about this... any other opinions ?

[raskul]

I have a second batch order.... Your opinion... Have I to request a refund ?

Taped Out in March: https://www.kncminer.com/news/news-78
TSMC 20nm cycle time (masks creation) is 4-5 months. Samples in July / August. Miners probably in August / September

I'm worried about this... any other opinions ?

  erm.. have a good christmas.

[matthewh3]

I have a second batch order.... Your opinion... Have I to request a refund ?

Taped Out in March: https://www.kncminer.com/news/news-78
TSMC 20nm cycle time (masks creation) is 4-5 months. Samples in July / August. Miners probably in August / September

I'm worried about this... any other opinions ?

From tapeout to mass production can be done within seven weeks if everything goes OK.  While tapeout was in February so 20nm starting to ship late April is a very real possibility.  They're just trolling hard for their own hardware sales.

[Guy Corem]

From tapeout to mass production can be done within seven weeks if everything goes OK

TO - beginning of March.

Tapeout to samples:

40nm, 28nm - 8 weeks
20nm - 4-5 months

Prove me wrong.

[matthewh3]

From tapeout to mass production can be done within seven weeks if everything goes OK

TO - beginning of March.

Tapeout to samples:

40nm, 28nm - 8 weeks
20nm - 4-5 months

Prove me wrong.

We'll find that one out by May.  KNC went from receiving working chips to shipping miners in about one week last time IIRC.

[lemonte]

I have a second batch order.... Your opinion... Have I to request a refund ?

I'd hold, at least until I knew specs, but it's your money.

[jimmothy]

From tapeout to mass production can be done within seven weeks if everything goes OK

TO - beginning of March.

Tapeout to samples:

40nm, 28nm - 8 weeks
20nm - 4-5 months

Prove me wrong.

Source?

[The Avenger]

From tapeout to mass production can be done within seven weeks if everything goes OK

TO - beginning of March.

Tapeout to samples:

40nm, 28nm - 8 weeks
20nm - 4-5 months

Prove me wrong.

Any industry data you can provide to back up this claim? The burden of proof is actually on you if you are making the claims

[Guy Corem]

Any industry data you can provide to back up this claim? The burden of proof is actually on you if you are making the claims

Common knowledge in the Silicon industry. Ask any vendor about TSMC 20nm cycle time.
Dig around, it's easy to find.

[tolip_wen]

anyone still holding the first customer batch neptune order?

I'm still long on Neptune CA!

My Saturns paid for Neptune CA.
If I never plug it in I'm still ahead

YMMV

[RoadStress]

From tapeout to mass production can be done within seven weeks if everything goes OK

TO - beginning of March.

Tapeout to samples:

40nm, 28nm - 8 weeks
20nm - 4-5 months

Prove me wrong.

Maybe KnC have very good relations and they can get it faster. They do chips for 10 years. Can't be all in vain.

[Wesly]

TO - beginning of March.

Tapeout to samples:

40nm, 28nm - 8 weeks
20nm - 4-5 months

Prove me wrong.

Maybe KnC have very good relations and they can get it faster. They do chips for 10 years. Can't be all in vain.

KnC has boat load of money from self-mining and it is in their best interest to pay whatever extra expedite fee to get the process shorten so they can self-mine sooner (time = money in bitcoin mining).  And it is also in TSMC's best interest to produce the new 20nm wafer at faster and faster pace, time is also money in their business.  The less time it takes, the more 20nm wafers they can make for other customers = more money.  Besides, what better marketing for more 20nm business if they can tell their other potential customers they have gotten the 20nm manufacturing time down to 8 weeks or less.

[The Avenger]

Any industry data you can provide to back up this claim? The burden of proof is actually on you if you are making the claims

Common knowledge in the Silicon industry. Ask any vendor about TSMC 20nm cycle time.
Dig around, it's easy to find.

If we are talking industry standards (rather than just dropping a number and providing nothing to back it up), vendors would say:

"Also, if you think about 28nm, the time from tapeout to sample is three to four months." (http://semiengineering.com/experts-at-the-table-changes-in-the-ecosystem-2/)

So if 3-4 months is actually 8 weeks, does that means 4-5 months is actually 10 weeks?

Good luck. You're not really helping yourselves with the abrasive attitude. Prove me wrong? Huh.

[DPoS]

if it's the not diff they are killing you with, it will be the price drop of btc from their dumps that will be last nail for any KNC customer

btc < $500  how you not refund on Neptune is just loony

[Guy Corem]

Maybe KnC have very good relations and they can get it faster. They do chips for 10 years. Can't be all in vain.

It was ORSoC first ASIC. They had FPGA code, ALCHIP did all the job.
Relations won't help here. Double Patterning takes times.
4-5 months to samples.

[Guy Corem]

Besides, what better marketing for more 20nm business if they can tell their other potential customers they have gotten the 20nm manufacturing time down to 8 weeks or less.

Can't be done. DPT takes time. Beside, When you go to TO you know the exact day you'll get samples. Was that date published ?
Only 'Plan B' was published. Why ?

[Easy2Mine]

KnC better stop dumping BTC on the exchanges

[jelin1984]

What that mean?

[DPoS]

Besides, what better marketing for more 20nm business if they can tell their other potential customers they have gotten the 20nm manufacturing time down to 8 weeks or less.

Can't be done. DPT takes time. Beside, When you go to TO you know the exact day you'll get samples. Was that date published ?
Only 'Plan B' was published. Why ?

How about this.... you mining companies mine the hell out of the diff, and we schleps will just wait until you all crash the price as you try to get your profits on the open market selling BTC instead of pre-orders?

ok?

have at it