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Author Topic: Launching the Antminer L3+, World's Most Powerful and Efficient Litecoin Miner  (Read 284846 times)
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July 11, 2017, 04:39:15 AM
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Regarding your 90k difficulty, the first batch was sold 15th of april. assuming they need at least 5 business days to be shipped, received (right threw customs and fired up) we can clearly see that difficulty was around 125k already before the majority of people received them...

Oh and if I remember correctly Bitmain did not even send them until end of April, supporting my statement even further.

Apr 18 2017   102,267   9.95%   2,928 GH/s
Apr 20 2017   132,016   29.09%   3,780 GH/s
Apr 24 2017   131,639   -0.29%   3,769 GH/s
Apr 27 2017   146,318   11.15%   4,190 GH/s

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While your logic, assumptions and math looks good I would like to point out a few facts.

First batch was to start shipping the 15th of April.  (I have this year received the shipping notice a few days earlier and then received one of my L3+ orders on the day after the start shipping date. I am in the US.)

Difficulty follows Hashrate.  The hashrate rises(miners being turned on) then the difficulty reacts to this rise in hash rate and then adjusts at the next difficulty adjustment interval.
While you do remember correctly that Bitmain did not send them out until the end of April.
I though you would also remember that Bitmain turned them on and used them to vote against SegWit knocking the signaling below the threshold.

Over 1.25 TH/s or 2500 L3+ miners were deployed on the Litecoin network over 3 days increasing its hashrate by over 50%. Then after the next weekend and the meeting of "the Lites of the round table" and a resolution was agreed to the L3+ miners were shipped out near the end of the month.

These L3+ miners were on the LTC network hashrate and increasing difficulty prior to being delivered to customers.    

If you think my facts are not correct then tell me  where  the 1.25TH or 2,500 L3+ miners or equivalent hashrate came from.

The LTC Hash rate had only been as high a 3 TH/s briefly several times prior to this event.      
  
Date              LTC hashrate    LTC Difficulty           L3+ units equivalent to hash rate
Apr 16 2017      2.582TH/s        93,016                        5,164  
Apr 17 2017      3.429               93,016                       6,858
Apr 18 2017      3.735             102,264                       7,470
Apr 19 2017      3.942             102,264                       7,884
Apr 20 2017                           132,016    
Apr 24 2017      4.328             132,016                       8,658
July 10 2017     8.193             275,721                      16,386


3 x 93,016 =279,048   currently the difficulty is 275,721 and heading up.  So we are at 98.8% of difficulty going up 3X.

Seams pretty accurate to me.  Smiley  
 
 
  

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July 11, 2017, 07:51:11 AM
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Regarding your 90k difficulty, the first batch was sold 15th of april. assuming they need at least 5 business days to be shipped, received (right threw customs and fired up) we can clearly see that difficulty was around 125k already before the majority of people received them...

Oh and if I remember correctly Bitmain did not even send them until end of April, supporting my statement even further.

Apr 18 2017   102,267   9.95%   2,928 GH/s
Apr 20 2017   132,016   29.09%   3,780 GH/s
Apr 24 2017   131,639   -0.29%   3,769 GH/s
Apr 27 2017   146,318   11.15%   4,190 GH/s

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While your logic, assumptions and math looks good I would like to point out a few facts.

First batch was to start shipping the 15th of April.  (I have this year received the shipping notice a few days earlier and then received one of my L3+ orders on the day after the start shipping date. I am in the US.)

Difficulty follows Hashrate.  The hashrate rises(miners being turned on) then the difficulty reacts to this rise in hash rate and then adjusts at the next difficulty adjustment interval.
While you do remember correctly that Bitmain did not send them out until the end of April.
I though you would also remember that Bitmain turned them on and used them to vote against SegWit knocking the signaling below the threshold.

Over 1.25 TH/s or 2500 L3+ miners were deployed on the Litecoin network over 3 days increasing its hashrate by over 50%. Then after the next weekend and the meeting of "the Lites of the round table" and a resolution was agreed to the L3+ miners were shipped out near the end of the month.

These L3+ miners were on the LTC network hashrate and increasing difficulty prior to being delivered to customers.    

If you think my facts are not correct then tell me  where  the 1.25TH or 2,500 L3+ miners or equivalent hashrate came from.

The LTC Hash rate had only been as high a 3 TH/s briefly several times prior to this event.      
  
Date              LTC hashrate    LTC Difficulty           L3+ units equivalent to hash rate
Apr 16 2017      2.582TH/s        93,016                        5,164  
Apr 17 2017      3.429               93,016                       6,858
Apr 18 2017      3.735             102,264                       7,470
Apr 19 2017      3.942             102,264                       7,884
Apr 20 2017                           132,016    
Apr 24 2017      4.328             132,016                       8,658
July 10 2017     8.193             275,721                      16,386


3 x 93,016 =279,048   currently the difficulty is 275,721 and heading up.  So we are at 98.8% of difficulty going up 3X.

Seams pretty accurate to me.  Smiley  
 
 
  


2 things:

1. Old units mine again and are profitable becouse of 10x rise in currency rates from April.
2. 3x from April to July is not the same as 3x from July to October, not in hashrate.
It's unpredictable becouse You dont know how many units BW, Bitmain, Zeus and Innosilicon will make. There is no problem with retail market and preorders, problem are the huge chinesee LTC farms like BW farm.
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July 11, 2017, 09:41:49 AM
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While your logic, assumptions and math looks good I would like to point out a few facts.

First batch was to start shipping the 15th of April.  (I have this year received the shipping notice a few days earlier and then received one of my L3+ orders on the day after the start shipping date. I am in the US.)

Difficulty follows Hashrate.  The hashrate rises(miners being turned on) then the difficulty reacts to this rise in hash rate and then adjusts at the next difficulty adjustment interval.
While you do remember correctly that Bitmain did not send them out until the end of April.
I though you would also remember that Bitmain turned them on and used them to vote against SegWit knocking the signaling below the threshold.

Over 1.25 TH/s or 2500 L3+ miners were deployed on the Litecoin network over 3 days increasing its hashrate by over 50%. Then after the next weekend and the meeting of "the Lites of the round table" and a resolution was agreed to the L3+ miners were shipped out near the end of the month.

These L3+ miners were on the LTC network hashrate and increasing difficulty prior to being delivered to customers.    

If you think my facts are not correct then tell me  where  the 1.25TH or 2,500 L3+ miners or equivalent hashrate came from.

The LTC Hash rate had only been as high a 3 TH/s briefly several times prior to this event.      
  
Date              LTC hashrate    LTC Difficulty           L3+ units equivalent to hash rate
Apr 16 2017      2.582TH/s        93,016                        5,164  
Apr 17 2017      3.429               93,016                       6,858
Apr 18 2017      3.735             102,264                       7,470
Apr 19 2017      3.942             102,264                       7,884
Apr 20 2017                           132,016    
Apr 24 2017      4.328             132,016                       8,658
July 10 2017     8.193             275,721                      16,386


3 x 93,016 =279,048   currently the difficulty is 275,721 and heading up.  So we are at 98.8% of difficulty going up 3X.

Seams pretty accurate to me.  Smiley  
  



Alright yeah you are right. I remember that Bitmain used the Miners to stop segwit. I simply took that into account because a lot of people before threw that into the argument that the difficulty doubled again after they were sent.

I also believe, that they used them (not even in a clever way lol). At least they could have faked the firmware date lol


But yeah if you go even before the 15th of april, you will end up with only a few days above 90k. So I accept the tripling of difficulty.


Still, a lot of A4 or L3 were reemployed due to the extreme increase in value. And as  @sqnkee    already mentioned, the problem is not the retail market buying a couple hundred, its the chinese farms, that stock up right now.




And I still don't think we will tripple from here on in the next 10 weeks, but we will see

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July 11, 2017, 10:16:55 AM
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Hi Guys,

Anybody here due the July batch 15-20th had any email yet?

Bitmain have still not got back to be to explain why my PSU is now over 3 months late, and i have no confirmation on miner dispatch yet?

Anybody having similar issues?

No bro.... I have same issue, My miner L3+ And Psu Has same date 15-20 July , I had contact with mail to Bitman support team they mail me 4 days ago, They shipp miner on 25 July.

And I am getting afraid because if india and China war between here situation is very bad, Don't know what will be happend, My Shipping method is DHFL.
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July 11, 2017, 10:28:54 AM
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Hi Guys,

Anybody here due the July batch 15-20th had any email yet?

I just got the email saying that my order is ready to ship. Before the 15th. In first come first served basis. 

What is yor Shipping date 15 July or 15-20 July, My shipping date is 15-20 July, Please reply Bro... and were are you from, Which Country.
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July 11, 2017, 11:28:24 AM
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Hi Guys,

Anybody here due the July batch 15-20th had any email yet?

Bitmain have still not got back to be to explain why my PSU is now over 3 months late, and i have no confirmation on miner dispatch yet?

Anybody having similar issues?

No bro.... I have same issue, My miner L3+ And Psu Has same date 15-20 July , I had contact with mail to Bitman support team they mail me 4 days ago, They shipp miner on 25 July.

And I am getting afraid because if india and China war between here situation is very bad, Don't know what will be happend, My Shipping method is DHFL.

Why china and India war?
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The only situation I know of is the Sikkim issue: http://indianexpress.com/article/what-is/what-is-india-china-bhutan-border-standoff-sikkim-doklam-chumbi-valley-4736620/

It is far from war though....
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Ya may be.....  No issue with DHFL Courier,  they will send,  What do you think.....
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July 12, 2017, 07:32:54 AM
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Hi Guys,

Anybody here due the July batch 15-20th had any email yet?

Bitmain have still not got back to be to explain why my PSU is now over 3 months late, and i have no confirmation on miner dispatch yet?

Anybody having similar issues?

No bro.... I have same issue, My miner L3+ And Psu Has same date 15-20 July , I had contact with mail to Bitman support team they mail me 4 days ago, They shipp miner on 25 July.

And I am getting afraid because if india and China war between here situation is very bad, Don't know what will be happend, My Shipping method is DHFL.

Relax, China need export like air. War for China is like death penalty, becouse export is 70% of their budget.
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July 12, 2017, 01:16:32 PM
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Hey guys,

Where can I buy the Antminer L3+ trustworthy and what is the price? Roll Eyes
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Hey guys,

Where can I buy the Antminer L3+ trustworthy and what is the price? Roll Eyes


Go to https://shop.bitmain.com  40LTC

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Go to https://shop.bitmain.com  40LTC
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how much is additional price [like taxes etc]?
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how much is additional price [like taxes etc]?

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Well that depends on the country you live in  Roll Eyes

Go and google import tax calculator for your country. That way you will see what computer hardware is going to cost you for import etc. Shipping costs are on the site of bit main.

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how much is additional price [like taxes etc]?



Well that depends on the country you live in  Roll Eyes

Go and google import tax calculator for your country. That way you will see what computer hardware is going to cost you for import etc. Shipping costs are on the site of bit main.
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Are there another option where I can buy Antminer L3+?
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how much is additional price [like taxes etc]?



Well that depends on the country you live in  Roll Eyes

Go and google import tax calculator for your country. That way you will see what computer hardware is going to cost you for import etc. Shipping costs are on the site of bit main.


Are there another option where I can buy Antminer L3+?
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eBay may be at 2x or 3x the price if you want it right away?

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how much is additional price [like taxes etc]?



Well that depends on the country you live in  Roll Eyes

Go and google import tax calculator for your country. That way you will see what computer hardware is going to cost you for import etc. Shipping costs are on the site of bit main.


Are there another option where I can buy Antminer L3+?
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You will not get anyone selling cheaper i suppose.  But if you want one now you can look in the goods section, although expect to pay a hefty premium if you want one shipped today from someone who has one in hand.  If someone is selling one in hand for cheap its 99.999999% a scam so be careful

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July 12, 2017, 05:23:32 PM
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For those with an L3+, what are some PSU's I could use for it / how many inputs do I need for it?

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July 12, 2017, 05:37:06 PM
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The bitmain A3++ with the required 9 PCIE connections at 105 bucks is good but they are sold out.  The next "batch" is in August.  Buy an HP server power supply modded for antminers.  Many ebay sellers.  Make sure to get at least a 1200 watt one.  I don't have any experience with using two power supplies per L3+ (and that is on purpose!!)

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July 12, 2017, 05:57:27 PM
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The bitmain A3++ with the required 9 PCIE connections at 105 bucks is good but they are sold out.  The next "batch" is in August.  Buy an HP server power supply modded for antminers.  Many ebay sellers.  Make sure to get at least a 1200 watt one.  I don't have any experience with using two power supplies per L3+ (and that is on purpose!!)



Do not use 2 power supplies for one miner...dont skimp on the psu side with an expensive machine.

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