Liquid Synergy Designs Inc. -ASIC mining hardware

[KS]

With lsd a long time seems not that long.

Or a small time can seem an eternity..or simply as the illusion it is 

I think this requires more testing/validation

[Xian01]

Right.. So how come our emails were answered within hours when taking orders. And now it takes ages for updates.. I think he should update at least once a week on this page, and the same with emails. But that's maybe just me. With 6.5 groupbuys he must have thousand, at least hundreds of clients interested in a status update at this point in time. (even if the status update is; there is no status update.) You can be as busy as you like. A Post update still takes less than 60 seconds.

 Thanks for raising this point. I did not know he was not answering emails. That is troubling indeed if true. Perhaps a simple "I'm still here. Waiting on the Avalon chips to arrive. We are ready to go when they do get here. Nothing more to report." update would help quell some unrest.

 Me, after what I went through with Butterfly Labs... this waiting game is a pleasant walk in the park relatively speaking.

[bigbeninlondon]

 Me, after what I went through with Butterfly Labs... this waiting game is a pleasant walk in the park relatively speaking.

On the other side of the coin, what people went through with BFL makes them a bit jumpy and afraid of yet another similar chain of events.  Can't really blame them; everything about Bitcoin so far has been caveat emptor.

[driksson]

Right.. So how come our emails were answered within hours when taking orders. And now it takes ages for updates.. I think he should update at least once a week on this page, and the same with emails. But that's maybe just me. With 6.5 groupbuys he must have thousand, at least hundreds of clients interested in a status update at this point in time. (even if the status update is; there is no status update.) You can be as busy as you like. A Post update still takes less than 60 seconds.

 Thanks for raising this point. I did not know he was not answering emails. That is troubling indeed if true. Perhaps a simple "I'm still here. Waiting on the Avalon chips to arrive. We are ready to go when they do get here. Nothing more to report." update would help quell some unrest.

 Me, after what I went through with Butterfly Labs... this waiting game is a pleasant walk in the park relatively speaking.

In all fairness, he has invested tons in hardware for supplying a mining/hosting service, also surely bought maybe thousands of chips himself. So if we come to a point where chips are worthless (when difficulty continues to spike), i'm sure he will loose a ton himself since noone will want boards nor hosting by it so..

[bigbeninlondon]

Agreed; steamboat isn't responsible for the chip delay.  Most of this skittishness is probably misdirected and should be targeted at Avalon.

[Stringchains]

Agreed; steamboat isn't responsible for the chip delay.  Most of this skittishness is probably misdirected and should be targeted at Avalon.

Exactly right I agree. The one and only that is to be blamed is Avalon. Just how BFL has f%&$(ed everyone over.

[Galli]

Steamboat,

If you are reading, can you provide an update?  Would be nice to know if there is any communication attempts with Avalon

[cardcomm]

Steamboat,

If you are reading, can you provide an update?  Would be nice to know if there is any communication attempts with Avalon

Yes, I agree with this. I know we are waiting on Avalon, and are at their mercy so to speak regarding when they choose to ship. Still, it would be nice to know if there has been ANY communications of any kind. It'd be especially good to know if they aren't responding to emails (not that there is much that can be done).

Given the delay and the amount of funds at stake, I'd assume that Steamboat has made attempts at contacting Avalon. It would sure be nice to have that confirmed

[KS]

When was the last comm? The last email I got was from July 30th. Vacation time?

[driksson]

Right.. So how come our emails were answered within hours when taking orders. And now it takes ages for updates.. I think he should update at least once a week on this page, and the same with emails. But that's maybe just me. With 6.5 groupbuys he must have thousand, at least hundreds of clients interested in a status update at this point in time. (even if the status update is; there is no status update.) You can be as busy as you like. A Post update still takes less than 60 seconds.

 Thanks for raising this point. I did not know he was not answering emails. That is troubling indeed if true. Perhaps a simple "I'm still here. Waiting on the Avalon chips to arrive. We are ready to go when they do get here. Nothing more to report." update would help quell some unrest.

 Me, after what I went through with Butterfly Labs... this waiting game is a pleasant walk in the park relatively speaking.

Got answer just now:
"We have not heard anything from Avalon as of yet. As soon as we know, we
will post an update."

So.. nothing. Can't be fun, arranging purchases of total 60K chips, and get that treatment.

[cp1]

I'm sure steamboat's as anxious as we are.

[bigbeninlondon]

FYI

NOTICE:

There is an error in the K16 Parts List on Github.

R47 is marked as 0603 package but the board requires an 0402 package.

This is a 100 ohm resistor.  Qty 6 should be reduced to Qty 5 and an 0402 Qty 1 added.

I've fixed the error in the parts list but if you have ordered 0603 resistors for production you will need to also order some 0402 of the same. For DIY hand assembly you may be able to fit an 0603 in as a hack. I'll update later as I see how this works out.

Sorry everyone. I thought all the errors had been caught some time ago but this one slipped in as part of the last revision.

It's fairly minor in comparison to the ASICs that never ship, but it's a nuisance, I know.

[jesse11]

Pussy's yeah I said Pussy's
Wait till to Dates Arrive  (Read the First Page) He already explained this in detail!
We Will Have Our Miners  Be at Peace
He is an Honorable Man! So Knock it off, Pussy's

(Waiting for all the BS to Hit)   

Jesse11   

[driksson]

Pussy's yeah I said Pussy's
Wait till to Dates Arrive  (Read the First Page) He already explained this in detail!
We Will Have Our Miners  Be at Peace
He is an Honorable Man! So Knock it off, Pussy's

(Waiting for all the BS to Hit)   

Jesse11   

"Batch 1: Order #10177, Purchase date May 1,2013. Expected delivery date early July".

Yes, but if we get our miners, making 0,001 btc per month, i doubt many will be very interested in these miners..
Time is of essence, and Avalon is now 5 weeks over time for Steaboats batch 1 order.

[nightengale]

Apologies for the cross-post; I am looking to sell my 2 batch 3 miners and 1 batch 4 miner, (50 chips total). Full assembly and hosting has been paid for as well. BTC10 is the asking price. Further info is in this thread:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=268935.0

[TomKeddie]

Steamboat, given we're all going to need to extract the most we can from these boards and these is no high current power supply version coming, would you consider an assembly option to only load 12 ASICs on each board instead of 16?  My current plan is to remove 4 ASICs from each board (I've only ordered 4 boards) but this seems wasteful.

If a lot of people were interested in a 12 ASIC version that was overclockable at the same assembly price, would you offer it?

[cardcomm]

Right.. So how come our emails were answered within hours when taking orders. And now it takes ages for updates.. I think he should update at least once a week on this page, and the same with emails. But that's maybe just me. With 6.5 groupbuys he must have thousand, at least hundreds of clients interested in a status update at this point in time. (even if the status update is; there is no status update.) You can be as busy as you like. A Post update still takes less than 60 seconds.

 Thanks for raising this point. I did not know he was not answering emails. That is troubling indeed if true. Perhaps a simple "I'm still here. Waiting on the Avalon chips to arrive. We are ready to go when they do get here. Nothing more to report." update would help quell some unrest.

 Me, after what I went through with Butterfly Labs... this waiting game is a pleasant walk in the park relatively speaking.

Got answer just now:
"We have not heard anything from Avalon as of yet. As soon as we know, we
will post an update."

So.. nothing. Can't be fun, arranging purchases of total 60K chips, and get that treatment.

This really does not say if he initiated any contact, just that he's not heard from them. With the kind of money he has on the line with them, I don't think it's inappropriate that he be explicitly asking them for ship dates.

Steamboat has been quite responsive so far, and I know he'll do his best for our group buy purchasers. But with all due respect, it's time for him to update personally. Hearing it second hand is ok, but frankly I need to hear it from Steamboat.

I've said it before, but I'll say it again -  if anyone has leverage with Avalon, it's the group buyers. The group buy organizers should be all over Avalon about this...

[jasinlee]

Lets give him some slack we all know avalon is not replying quickly. Leave the messenger alone. Steamboat is busy just because he does not reply daily does not mean he isnt pming them constantly.

[cardcomm]

Lets give him some slack we all know avalon is not replying quickly. Leave the messenger alone. Steamboat is busy just because he does not reply daily does not mean he isnt pming them constantly.

I never said I want him to reply daily. That would be absurd. I've already stated that I know he's busy. Yet at times one must MAKE time. I'm not blaming the messenger - I'd just like to know for myself what the messenger has to say.

Would it REALLY take that long to make a courtesy post now and then? Besides, how hard is it to post saying if and when he's asked for a status update?

To be perfectly clear here:  I don't "blame" SB for anything, or think he's doing anything wrong - he's been awesome throughout, and I'm confident he is as on top of the situation as is possible.

But we are all big boys here, and asking questions can't hurt. So I'd STILL like a bit more detail from the messenger himself. And if the group buy reps aren't hounding Avalon already, it's time to start, IMHO.

[steamboat]

Steamboat, given we're all going to need to extract the most we can from these boards and these is no high current power supply version coming, would you consider an assembly option to only load 12 ASICs on each board instead of 16?  My current plan is to remove 4 ASICs from each board (I've only ordered 4 boards) but this seems wasteful.

If a lot of people were interested in a 12 ASIC version that was overclockable at the same assembly price, would you offer it?

We do not believe it is wise to use less than 16 chips. Placing 12 chips on the board increases the cost per chip by 25%, or $33.42. The boards should produce 325-350/mhs fully populated. The gains from overclocking the chip would likely not outweigh the loss of overall hashrate or increased hardware and operating costs.

I am here, and we are doing everything we can to expedite the shipments. It is very frustrating to have to wait, but that is exactly what we must do. We do not control shipping, Avalon does. We can ask for information, but it is up to them to reply. Avalon is most definitely aware of the growing concern within the community about shipping dates. We cannot speak for Avalon, or speculate on the reason for their delays.

We are prepared for Batch 1, and are using this time to refine our processes and ensure everything that can be done prior to chip arrival is completed. We are over halfway through preparing parts for all of the Batches, and will be ready to process all 3,000 units should the chips arrive at once. We are currently operating with a skeleton staff on this project, though we have already trained and prepared our entire staff in order to quickly deploy all orders once the chips land.

We are working to source components in order to offer additional units, but the lead time for several parts is prohibitively long. Some of these parts have been ordered factory direct, but will not arrive until the first week of September. If anyone has additional components they will not be using, preferably in tape and reel, please email us.

We are in the same position you are. As we stated earlier, we've approached this as if we were producing our own units, because we are. Avalon delaying shipping hurts us just as it hurts you. We are not happy with the situation, and if flying to China to pick up the units in person would facilitate the arrival of our chips we'd be on the next flight. We will continue to do what we can, and will give an update the moment we know more information.

On a more positive note, we have retired our trusty cardboard Klondike in favor of something a little more pleasant to look at.
 


We've also tested the stacking design for those of you who have purchased more than one unit



We are here, we have not abandoned you. Please be patient and know we are doing everything in our power to deliver as quickly as possible.