Kapz786
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September 28, 2013, 01:18:13 PM |
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steamboat - partial assembly refunds as you have promised - tell us what to do and lets get the ball rolling......
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lithiumfinn
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September 28, 2013, 02:27:22 PM |
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It's not like the discounted chips will ever ship. It will just be the same thing all over again.
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Stringchains
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September 28, 2013, 03:13:33 PM |
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steamboat - partial assembly refunds as you have promised - tell us what to do and lets get the ball rolling......
I agree.
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Xian01
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Christian Antkow
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September 28, 2013, 03:26:46 PM |
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I sent refund request for batch 2 chips on September 19. No response yet.
Same. Requested a refund for 288 chips in batch 5 on the 19th. Waiting.
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nightengale
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September 28, 2013, 03:34:56 PM Last edit: September 28, 2013, 06:02:43 PM by nightengale |
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It's been a week and a half now since we heard anything from SB?
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KS
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September 28, 2013, 04:10:19 PM |
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Last I heard from him was on 17/09.
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markm
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September 28, 2013, 07:02:39 PM |
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It's not like the discounted chips will ever ship. It will just be the same thing all over again.
Its not like the un-discounted chips ever shipped either. Last we heard Yifu had said he had shipped them. But there has been no word on them arriving so hopefully it is too late now for Yifu to expect anyone to accept them even if they do arrive, unless maybe he will count them as discounted chips. (Though are even discounted ones worth anything?) -MarkM-
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KS
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September 28, 2013, 07:47:18 PM |
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(Though are even discounted ones worth anything?)
Barely. Even if you received them for free, you still need to mount them on something and their power draw isn't exactly best-in-class. The one market I see for them is China. Cheap PCBs/parts and cheap electricity.
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nightengale
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September 28, 2013, 09:08:45 PM |
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Then lets find someone in China to sell our boards to.
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Reckman
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September 28, 2013, 09:21:27 PM |
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(Though are even discounted ones worth anything?)
Barely. Even if you received them for free, you still need to mount them on something and their power draw isn't exactly best-in-class. The one market I see for them is China. Cheap PCBs/parts and cheap electricity. electricity is not cheap in china
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KS
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September 28, 2013, 09:57:10 PM |
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Then lets find someone in China to sell our boards to.
Good luck with that. They'll be making them for 1/10th the price already
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KS
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September 28, 2013, 10:00:48 PM |
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(Though are even discounted ones worth anything?)
Barely. Even if you received them for free, you still need to mount them on something and their power draw isn't exactly best-in-class. The one market I see for them is China. Cheap PCBs/parts and cheap electricity. electricity is not cheap in china Define cheap for you. For me 0.03 to 0.1$/KWh is cheap.
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wantmyrefund
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September 28, 2013, 10:13:08 PM |
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Latest status of people who requested a refund and posted to the refund tracking thread. If you would like to add yourself, whether you've requested and received a refund or are still waiting, here is a link to the thread. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=299006.0Last updated: 27-Sep-2013 The list, sorted by refund request date: Forum Name | Quantity | Batches | Request Date | Date Received | Type - Chips Only or K16 | lithiumfinn | 16 | 5 | 3-Sep-2013 & 12-Sep-2013 | 19-Sep-2013 | rocks | 485 | 3,4 | 9-Sep-2013 & 14-Sep-2013 | | K16 | xjack | 34 | 6 | 11-Sep-2013 | 24-Sept-2013 | ScaryHash | 264 | 1,2,3,4,5 | 11-Sep-2013 | | wrenchmonkey | 75 | 4 | 11-Sep-2013 | 24-Sep-2013 | sprint347 | 16 | 6 | 12-Sep-2013 & 22-Sep-2013 | | K16 | dobber | 32 | 3 | 13-Sep-2013 | 24-Sep-2013 | mwm4bcf | 232 | 4 | 14-Sep-2013 | | r3animation | 90 | 2 | 14-Sep-2013 | | bobbyremone | 80 | 3 | 14-Sep-2013 | | alexuk | 100 | 2 | 23-Sep-2013 | |
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hoss
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September 28, 2013, 10:17:17 PM |
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I hate to keep being Debbie Downer but I am confused as to why some of you don't seem to understand the current situation. As of right ‘now’, even if you got the chips for free, electricity for free, SB shipped the boards for FREE, you WOULD NOT make ROI. In fact if someone came up to me TODAY with a fully functional (as in 4.5GH with no hardware errors) K16 board and asked $80 for it - I would not buy it at this point. Again - https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Ah7ZJVoobFY7dDRGQk1kdmJmaUJwZENKZUdNejJlWEE#gid=0Realistically if you start mining today, a K16 might produce 0.5BTC before it hits electricity/reward break point.
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r3animation
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September 28, 2013, 10:22:47 PM |
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I hate to keep being Debbie Downer but I am confused as to why some of you don't seem to understand the current situation. As of right ‘now’, even if you got the chips for free, electricity for free, SB shipped the boards for FREE, you WOULD NOT make ROI. In fact if someone came up to me TODAY with a fully functional (as in 4.5GH with no hardware errors) K16 board and asked $80 for it - I would not buy it at this point. Again - https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Ah7ZJVoobFY7dDRGQk1kdmJmaUJwZENKZUdNejJlWEE#gid=0Realistically if you start mining today, a K16 might produce 0.5BTC before it hits electricity/reward break point. Erm, if everything was free, your investment was $0 therefore ROI is at $0. Everything you mine would be profit.
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September 28, 2013, 10:29:07 PM |
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I hate to keep being Debbie Downer but I am confused as to why some of you don't seem to understand the current situation. As of right ‘now’, even if you got the chips for free, electricity for free, SB shipped the boards for FREE, you WOULD NOT make ROI. In fact if someone came up to me TODAY with a fully functional (as in 4.5GH with no hardware errors) K16 board and asked $80 for it - I would not buy it at this point. Again - https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Ah7ZJVoobFY7dDRGQk1kdmJmaUJwZENKZUdNejJlWEE#gid=0Realistically if you start mining today, a K16 might produce 0.5BTC before it hits electricity/reward break point. Erm, if everything was free, your investment was $0 therefore ROI is at $0. Everything you mine would be profit. Not "everything". In his hypothetical scenario, chips, electricity, and shipping are free. I infer that means the assembly and boards themselves are not.
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hoss
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September 28, 2013, 10:30:55 PM |
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.... Not "everything". In his hypothetical scenario, chips, electricity, and shipping are free. I infer that means the assembly and boards themselves are not.
Thanks cpengr - that's correct, assumes we still have to pay for assembly and BOM.
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ScaryHash
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September 28, 2013, 11:08:41 PM |
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I hate to keep being Debbie Downer but I am confused as to why some of you don't seem to understand the current situation. As of right ‘now’, even if you got the chips for free, electricity for free, SB shipped the boards for FREE, you WOULD NOT make ROI. In fact if someone came up to me TODAY with a fully functional (as in 4.5GH with no hardware errors) K16 board and asked $80 for it - I would not buy it at this point. Again - https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Ah7ZJVoobFY7dDRGQk1kdmJmaUJwZENKZUdNejJlWEE#gid=0Realistically if you start mining today, a K16 might produce 0.5BTC before it hits electricity/reward break point. Well, what works for you, may not work for other people. It's pretty much irrelevant at this point. Make whatever decision you're comfortable with, and stop trying to interpret what other people are doing. Your spreadsheet, while quite nice, does not reflect certain realities.
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cp1
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September 28, 2013, 11:28:09 PM |
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Yes, I'd rather have a refund because the chip cost refund would be more than the unit would make. But I haven't heard back from steamboat
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r3animation
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September 28, 2013, 11:30:19 PM |
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I hate to keep being Debbie Downer but I am confused as to why some of you don't seem to understand the current situation. As of right ‘now’, even if you got the chips for free, electricity for free, SB shipped the boards for FREE, you WOULD NOT make ROI. In fact if someone came up to me TODAY with a fully functional (as in 4.5GH with no hardware errors) K16 board and asked $80 for it - I would not buy it at this point. Again - https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Ah7ZJVoobFY7dDRGQk1kdmJmaUJwZENKZUdNejJlWEE#gid=0Realistically if you start mining today, a K16 might produce 0.5BTC before it hits electricity/reward break point. Erm, if everything was free, your investment was $0 therefore ROI is at $0. Everything you mine would be profit. Not "everything". In his hypothetical scenario, chips, electricity, and shipping are free. I infer that means the assembly and boards themselves are not. Ok gotcha. I still haven't got my refund from SB.
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