Official Anoncoin chat thread (including history)

[drAGon925]

If you do not like Darkcoin, try with Monero,
and PM me if you want to sell my favorite Anoncoins


I understand your anger, and I appreciate the desire.

I think there will not be any respond until ZC is ready, maybe meeh decide that,
and therefore all these debates, and our dissatisfaction with the lack of information.

We are early adopters, and who buy before ZC will be early adopters.
That is good thing of not much info of progress.

[shtako]

There is a lot of anger in this thread now. Just sharing my own opinion.

I started to follow anoncoin back in oktober 2013 and i have followed the development since. I just hold a small amount of coins. I don't feel that the devs owe me anything at all. There is in my opinion no broken promises, and no significant errors have occured. Of course I would which for better marketing and faster development, but as far as i have seen these things have not been directly promised. The fact that anc is scarce and extremly fair distributed is actually a problem. Without several huge holders working their asses of promoting a coin for their own sake, thus getting the sheep to follow, it is hard to break trough.

When it comes to darkcoin I am still very glad that I never bought a single coin. 2000% gain in 2 weeks would have been nice, but what goes up must go down, and i feel sorry for all the newbies who are going to loose big investing in that scam. I am pretty sure darkcoin will be as "dead" as quark/megacoin in a few months.

[Arlic]

Vote for anoncoin at the exchange https://hitbtc.com/vote
Isn't yet at the list, but i have made a propose.

[meeh]

Hi all,


First of all, the project is not abandoned. But we clearly got another way of working that the other coins. But I will try to update you as good as I can now. Also I need to catch up with all the posts so I probably need to post twice and maybe more.

First of all, a bit of the Zerocoin part:
As earlier stated Gnosis has a dayjob that pushes him much, and that is delaying the project. (But he is thinking of quiting the dayjob)
So he's code is delayed. Meanwhile, we're going to setup a "bruteforce" attack on some RSA UFOs, where whoever can contribute cpu power for attacking the UFOs. Simple saying we're trying to find the factors of the UFOs. This is an important and time consuming task. Simple saying we're testing our own security by attacking it. Gnosis also got some numbers he need to distribute to all the testing machines I and some other ppl have setup, this is just a GMP process running made by an python script. This is something we have already done, and will continue with. I can be better in announcing such.

This is also a attempt to get around the original size of an RSA UFO (typ. 20k+ bit) to multiple small UFOs, which will ultimate end with less CPU costs for verifying the ZC processing. This is something all clients need to do, even the clients that don't mine, so that's why much focus also goes to time & power consumption.

From what Gnosis told in the public anoncoin IRC channels a few days ago, he's thinking the deadline (with current life situation, dayjob) it would be one and a half month at max away from a ready implementation. While he works on the backend stuff, I've made it clear that I will make the GUI for speeding up the progress, and I will start as soon as we got any good design plans on the GUI part. (What needs to be shown of information, buttons, texts, what options, etc)

When we're at it, and we're ready to fork we should also have found a new type of algo. to run. Which, is not decided yet, so suggestions are welcome. Also the gravity well will be upgraded, but not necessarily any known patch yet.

Then, why haven't I been online on this forum? (Just saying, both I and Gnosis has replied people on IRC.) Back some weeks I realized I had really too much to do vs. time. Since I've got both a dayjob, this project, got a ISP corp. of my own (that's not the dayjob), friends and replying on questions from users. Simple saying, all the leftover time I had to not do my dayjob + critical task where gone. So I decided to logoff for a while so I could do some productive. Services for coins is often the lack that make a coin fall, and I wanted to change that for at least ANC and maybe some others.

This has resulted in me having some services to announce not far in the future. Those will accept coins as well as regular fiat payments. I can give you hints now that it's at least three services, two for regular users, and one for more advanced (not all beeing released at once). The two services meant for all people would help anonymize them more, and, for not saying too much "in some situations, bypassing some annoying you couldn't do before". I've also used a lot of time on making all this with "No point of single failure", meaning that even if a server goes down, the services should still be up and not noticeable for the user. I've setup servers both in Asia, The US and Europe for this. (Where all information would be stored _outside_ of the US because of their ... nice surveillance program). All traffic between the places is encrypted in different layers.

On the other hand, even I shoundn't use time on such, since I lack time already, I've partly disassembled DRK's hidden part of the code, looking for strange behavior or other noticeable things. And got some psudo code from some of it I'm thinking of releasing for research (About ~1800 lines), not at least some mindmaps which shows the links between the assembly segments together etc. There is a lot of code so I need to spend more time on it before I can say anything. Also, as usual, the news about the total surveillance keeps bugging me so I've unwillingly wondered if there is anything to do to stop them, but then I realized that they would probably never stop, and we would probably never stop them, and encryption is never "unbreakable", it's just about time. Then I realized misleading and "social obfuscation" is the way to go. I can't say much about it yet, because it's a shitload of money in personal information collection and this is something that would just make all that data ... invalid. (My mind don't stop yelling about privacy)

[drAGon925]

That's it, thanks for the tip, and keep working!
Come again soon, and good luck

[WDL]

Other coins???  I feel betrayed.
Originally we had huge advantage over DRK,but now,even XC is beyond us.
Zerocoin implement,NO DELAY AGAIN,PLEASE.I still have faith in ANC.

[MasterMined710]

Other coins???  I feel betrayed.
Originally we had huge advantage over DRK,but now,even XC is beyond us.
Zerocoin implement,NO DELAY AGAIN,PLEASE.I still have faith in ANC.

Yes, we have a new delay.
Meeh wrote in his last post:
"From what Gnosis told in the public anoncoin IRC channels a few days ago, he's thinking the deadline (with current life situation, dayjob) it would be one and a half month at max away from a ready implementation."

I also still have faith about ANC and the last post of Meeh confirms me in what I thought. The lack of news is a strategy of the devs. Let them work. ANC is still very young and in very limited quantities.
Meeh is also working on adding two or three services that will accept ANC as payment. I think that's a really good thing for the future of ANC.

I understand your impatience about zerocoin implemention (i'm too ) but I don't think that DRK have an advantage on ANC.
DRK have been pre-mined (4500 first blocks with reward 500 DRK mined in less than 32 first hours). They are alleging that was because of problems with the difficulty readjustment but I really don't believe it.
DRK isn't open source. They are promising that they will open source in some months but... wait to see!
DRK last fork was a failure. Darksend and masternodes are not working at this time. Even when it will work, the anonimity and privacy of Darksend is controversal because of the masternodes (third-party) that every one can host and see all the transactions between sender and receiver. The masternode can also be hacked. You can already find a case of a masternode hacked resulting of a loose of 999DRK for the owner (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=421615.msg6984042#msg6984042).
The quickly rise of DRK is only due by speculators that are only interested with benefits in fiat currency (or maybe BTC). No one is spending DRK to buy a service or a product. DRK is just another pump and dump coin. Large holders will take the benefits and leave when small sheeps loose her money.

DRK is now as evenly distributed as btc and ltc etc.

DRK is open source but darksend won't be for a few more weeks

darksend and masternodes are working. the masternode payment implementation was working after the planned hard fork but was attacked and the issues is now being dealt with and will be implemented on june 14th.

you would need to control 100% of the masternodes to effectively decode all darksend anonymity to btc levels.

The masternode can be hacked if you don't follow instructions and don't know what you are doing, as was the case with the 1 amateur guy who made several easily avoidable security mistakes as was documented. the other 300+ masternodes are fine.


i have only one question...
when is zerocoin with the trustless rsa_ufo going to be implemented?
this is still not clear to me. when it is clear i will buy back all the anc i sold and more. if the devs would communicate more that would be great, some faith has already been lost though. another reason i sold was because i was never able to get my new wallet to sync after the i2p/tor implementation. great idea but poor execution as i saw many had the same problem too.

[WDL]

"The lack of news is a strategy of the devs. "----------------Don't cheat yourself,the posf of meeh reveals the truth there is no work at ANC,and incredibly meeh worked other coins,originally We had the best ideas and the best option of technology,but we lose more chances.Yes,Darksend of DRK is no match for Zerocoin which holds Zero-Knowledge-Proof,but Darksend has been developed while dev of ANC developed nothing.Work rather than promise takes advantage.
"it would be one and a half month at max away from a ready implementation. "---I am very very sad when I saw these.
Zerocoin implement,NO DELAY AGAIN,PLEASE.
I can wait because I believe Zero-Knowledge-Proof , but I have to see someone in the effort. GOD tells me, only work to succeed.

[Shirley.BTC]

It seems to be working very well.

[indiguy]

We've added AnonCoin in our wiki. if you wanna add something else, let us know.

 http://coinwik.org/AnonCoin

[drAGon925]

Everything is going as it should , but some ppl were disappointed with the speed of implantation.
Especially when you look at some competitive coins of lesser quality that rapid progress .
My opinion is , except when the growth on end of the last year when they grew all the coins , this is healthy development of coin like Anoncoin .

In addition to speed , I see unhappy ppl with what they have missed the DRK train,
dissatisfied with what they have sold the ANC although perhaps profited .
Dissatisfied with what they sold while it was lower than when they purchased it.

We do not need a weak hand on our solid ANC , I must point out , with a small circulation , only 4.2M


After ZC in the ANC , and halving at start of next year , once again I predict 100$+ per ANC
Meeh is all well explained , very honest and encouraging.
There are no ambiguous messages as "other coins" , should be read with understanding, not anti cheering.

ANC is serious coin on market , currently what missing is his little volume , but as one member pointed out, volume is on the DRK and a few other lesser quality coins. It will easily change it after and maybe few days before ZC.

Do not miss out on this anonymous train!

[XbladeX]

personaly i think ANC i real deal.
This is very rare coin. Devs don't rush developments for income but true price won't come with bursting it just like that in DRK train...
Generaly great name too and concept from beginning.

[newNEM]

Is this thread and coin related our BTT hero Annon?

[dewdeded]

Does ZeroCoin need an trusted accumulator like ZeroCash?

[gostrol]

Does ZeroCoin need an trusted accumulator like ZeroCash?

No need to by using RSA-UFOs following Gnos1s implementation. It will be trustless

[Spekulatius]

Does ZeroCoin need an trusted accumulator like ZeroCash?

No need to by using RSA-UFOs following Gnos1s implementation. It will be trustless

One thing I still dont get though: lets assume the computations that produce the inputs for the RSA are decentralized and therefore trustless, how are they merged together to produce the final, initial parameters?
The way I always imagine it is that some guy (maybe gnos1s) sits at his computer and waits for the inputs to be sent to his script, that assembles the initial parameters from it to start the genesis block or whatever and we just have to trust him, that he doesnt log the process and save it somewhere only he can access. Am I wrong? Then how would be truely trustless??

[MasterMined710]

Other coins???  I feel betrayed.
Originally we had huge advantage over DRK,but now,even XC is beyond us.
Zerocoin implement,NO DELAY AGAIN,PLEASE.I still have faith in ANC.

Yes, we have a new delay.
Meeh wrote in his last post:
"From what Gnosis told in the public anoncoin IRC channels a few days ago, he's thinking the deadline (with current life situation, dayjob) it would be one and a half month at max away from a ready implementation."

I also still have faith about ANC and the last post of Meeh confirms me in what I thought. The lack of news is a strategy of the devs. Let them work. ANC is still very young and in very limited quantities.
Meeh is also working on adding two or three services that will accept ANC as payment. I think that's a really good thing for the future of ANC.

I understand your impatience about zerocoin implemention (i'm too ) but I don't think that DRK have an advantage on ANC.
DRK have been pre-mined (4500 first blocks with reward 500 DRK mined in less than 32 first hours). They are alleging that was because of problems with the difficulty readjustment but I really don't believe it.
DRK isn't open source. They are promising that they will open source in some months but... wait to see!
DRK last fork was a failure. Darksend and masternodes are not working at this time. Even when it will work, the anonimity and privacy of Darksend is controversal because of the masternodes (third-party) that every one can host and see all the transactions between sender and receiver. The masternode can also be hacked. You can already find a case of a masternode hacked resulting of a loose of 999DRK for the owner (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=421615.msg6984042#msg6984042).
The quickly rise of DRK is only due by speculators that are only interested with benefits in fiat currency (or maybe BTC). No one is spending DRK to buy a service or a product. DRK is just another pump and dump coin. Large holders will take the benefits and leave when small sheeps loose her money.

DRK is now as evenly distributed as btc and ltc etc.

DRK is open source but darksend won't be for a few more weeks

darksend and masternodes are working. the masternode payment implementation was working after the planned hard fork but was attacked and the issues is now being dealt with and will be implemented on june 14th.

you would need to control 100% of the masternodes to effectively decode all darksend anonymity to btc levels.

The masternode can be hacked if you don't follow instructions and don't know what you are doing, as was the case with the 1 amateur guy who made several easily avoidable security mistakes as was documented. the other 300+ masternodes are fine.


i have only one question...
when is zerocoin with the trustless rsa_ufo going to be implemented?
this is still not clear to me. when it is clear i will buy back all the anc i sold and more. if the devs would communicate more that would be great, some faith has already been lost though. another reason i sold was because i was never able to get my new wallet to sync after the i2p/tor implementation. great idea but poor execution as i saw many had the same problem too.

Darksend and masternodes will be working on the next hard fork if there is not another attack or bug. Even the dev is not sure if it was an attack or a bug: "This was either due to an intentional attack on the network or an issue with the masternode payments system" (source: https://darkcointalk.org/threads/masternode-payments-and-beyond.921/).

To control 100% of the darksend transactions, I would need to control 100% of the masternodes but if an attacker control 50%, he will be able to decode 50% of the darksend transactions. Then the anonymity is not 100% effective. Law enforcement could easily run their own masternodes to snoop on the network.

Nothing is 100% secure and I'm sure that this case of masternode hack will be not the last.

I understand that you loose the faith in Anoncoin and I hope that you will come back in the future to buy. The devs knows these problems and all will be solved (I hope ).

lol, no, Darksend and masternodes are working now but they aren't getting paid yet and the ds limit is 10 drk per trans. mn payments will be implemented on june 14 and the 10 drk limit will be lifted then as well.

The plan to fight against this scenario, as described by Evan, was to make multiple DarkSends possible through multiple nodes. So if it goes through 10 nodes for laundering, one must control not 1 or 2, but all 10 to find the money flow. In this way the bad actor scenario is significantly diminished.

I'm not sure what the state of current implementation is. I think, from what has been written, that there will be a more eloquent or effective approach in RC3. We'll find out.

still no answer and/or confusion on when zerocoin with the trustless rsa-ufo will be released, you seem to suggest in a few months but Gnosis said years here....

I don;t know what is going on with this project, are the devs still working on it? do they still plan on implementing zerocoin? any time frames?

Q
"Will it be possible to choose the initial setup parameters for zerocash without relying on trusted third parties, such as with RSA-UFOs as has been proposed for Anoncoin's version of zerocoin?"

A
"Probably not for years. This would be a major breakthrough if cryptographers could find a way to do this."
https://pay.reddit.com/r/Anoncoin/comments/25z2fw/differences_between_zerocoin_and_zerocash/chnxw39

[MasterMined710]

Does ZeroCoin need an trusted accumulator like ZeroCash?

No need to by using RSA-UFOs following Gnos1s implementation. It will be trustless

when will this be implemented?

[drAGon925]

Does ZeroCoin need an trusted accumulator like ZeroCash?

No need to by using RSA-UFOs following Gnos1s implementation. It will be trustless

when will this be implemented?

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=227287.msg6988249#msg6988249

[drAGon925]

Hello my anonfriends,

almost 1M coins will be mined , how do we celebrate this occasion?!