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August 07, 2014, 02:19:53 PM
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http://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/news/librexcoin-relaunched-zerocoin-implementation/2014/08/07
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August 07, 2014, 02:23:15 PM
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http://jsaddr.anoncoin.net/ has to be fixed. It has a small error.  I will fix it ASAP and let you know.  Do not use any other wallet generators.
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August 07, 2014, 02:24:11 PM
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Very easy to get on news.....

One flop, then on the top ?

The original launch flopped because they had technical issues, but the developers acted responsibly and let the community know they messed up and not to mine the coin. The coin has recently re-launched.
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August 07, 2014, 02:30:37 PM
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Am I the only one thinking that this is a rip off?

It's going to be another "Libertycoin XLB"

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August 07, 2014, 02:38:43 PM
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Whereas Zerocoin can be set up in a trustless manner using RSA UFOs, Zerocash can not.

That can't work in a trustless manner. This explains the abandonment of zerocoin by its own developers!
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August 07, 2014, 02:39:09 PM
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Woohoo, am I the only sees this moves?

https://twitter.com/AnonCoinProject

It is not accidentally that we have new bigger buy orders on craptsy!
Can't wait to hear the news!!


Where is the work of Gnosis?


Probably on his computer, why do you ask?
There is no work of Gnosis. This is just a copy/paste of the unfinished zerocoin release, nothing to see here.

I'm curious if September is still a realistic estimate, something tells me it's not.

Where you can see that I say or wrote Gnosis by that link?
Gnosis is working ofc.

So what are you so excited about? Some quick copy/paste job and you "can't wait" to hear the "news"... really? what "news"?

Am I the only one thinking that this is a rip off?

It's going to be another "Libertycoin XLB"
No

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August 07, 2014, 03:00:51 PM
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Whereas Zerocoin can be set up in a trustless manner using RSA UFOs, Zerocash can not.

That can't work in a trustless manner. This explains the abandonment of zerocoin by its own developers!
Explain why not, if you dont do this your argument is invalid.

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August 07, 2014, 03:17:47 PM
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Whereas Zerocoin can be set up in a trustless manner using RSA UFOs, Zerocash can not.

That can't work in a trustless manner. This explains the abandonment of zerocoin by its own developers!

Ah, and I should just take your word for it. A guy who registered with an account today just to market the latest scamcoin.

Off to sell all my ANC and buy librexcoin!
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August 07, 2014, 03:38:38 PM
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Whereas Zerocoin can be set up in a trustless manner using RSA UFOs, Zerocash can not.

That can't work in a trustless manner. This explains the abandonment of zerocoin by its own developers!

Ah, and I should just take your word for it. A guy who registered with an account today just to market the latest scamcoin.

Off to sell all my ANC and buy librexcoin!

I think that is Pablo, he knows to write that good english

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August 07, 2014, 05:14:35 PM
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Woohoo, am I the only sees this moves?

https://twitter.com/AnonCoinProject

It is not accidentally that we have new bigger buy orders on craptsy!
Can't wait to hear the news!!


Where is the work of Gnosis?

* @author     Ian Miers, Christina Garman and Matthew Green
* @date       June 2013
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* @copyright  Copyright 2013 Ian Miers, Christina Garman and Matthew Green
* @license    This project is released under the MIT license.
Gnosis is not an author of that paper. The paper is a scientific paper in the public domain. Anyone can implement Zerocoin. Furthermore the software  libraries created by Miers et al. are public domain. Anyone can use them.
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August 07, 2014, 05:16:49 PM
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Woohoo, am I the only sees this moves?

https://twitter.com/AnonCoinProject

It is not accidentally that we have new bigger buy orders on craptsy!
Can't wait to hear the news!!


Where is the work of Gnosis?


Probably on his computer, why do you ask?
There is no work of Gnosis. This is just a copy/paste of the unfinished zerocoin release, nothing to see here.

I'm curious if September is still a realistic estimate, something tells me it's not.

September was expected date x2 by Gnosis.
I ask me why Ian Miers's team stopped working on Zerocoin for a better version named Zerocash?
And today, another coin promise zerocoin and make the news instead of anoncoin:
http://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/news/librexcoin-relaunched-zerocoin-implementation/2014/08/07
Zerocash is not better than Zerocoin. The two are different beasts.

Zerocash can NOT be set up in a trustless manner, whereas Zerocoin can.

I advise you to start reading up on this here: https://wiki.anoncoin.net/Zerocash
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August 07, 2014, 05:59:47 PM
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Woohoo, am I the only sees this moves?

https://twitter.com/AnonCoinProject

It is not accidentally that we have new bigger buy orders on craptsy!
Can't wait to hear the news!!


Where is the work of Gnosis?


Probably on his computer, why do you ask?

The work of his is the trustless RSA UFO ongoing project. However, I write the implementation now as we speak, and it's on my local computer uncommited before I can verify I've done right so I don't push fails to github Wink It will probably take a couple of days to rewrite the miner, walletdb and the protocol, but I got a plan on how to do it and often that's the hardest part.

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August 07, 2014, 07:27:09 PM
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Cool that almost everyone is positive about the design - only the drAgon seems to be a little negative - for the first time in the entire thread? Wink
Then - the content...
Only 2 comments so far:

* LuigiPabl sent me some good points, hope you like it better now (see below and correct me one again, english isn't my first language) keep in mind that some words like "decentralized" are good to keep for the search engines, even if it gets a little dense.

* lunokhod2 gave me a lot of input, i'll try to sum it up...
1. we should keep the tech talk down to a minimum.
2. there is not enough info about the coin, we need to describe what anoncoin is, how it is different from other coins, why anonymity matters, what Zerocoin is and why a casual internet user should download the client.
3. there is no info about how to download the client, how to set it up, and to give some real basic security advice.
4. there should be info about the dev team.
5. the average user will not read the wiki, so all information should be in the graphical web site
6. one page format doesn't provide enough space for the content needed, 3 pages should do it.

...and answer:
1. agree.
2. i agree that its good to exemplify what is unique with anoncoins privacy and anonymity, but its getting techy very fast im afraid... maybe some more info written in "normal" english could be added to the "black box of info", feel free to give it a try.
i added direct links to the I2P, Tor and Zerocoin pages in the wiki. (see below)
an idea for the anon-wiki to show differences between coins: make a table with the anonymous cryptocurrencies and their different privacy features (something like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cryptocurrency#List_of_cryptocurrencies). this could also be copied to the actual wikipedia article under a new header "Anonymity".
3. the visitor just has to click the OS of choice under "WALLET" to download the client.
im convinced that the best way of helping the user set up the wallet is to make the installation process fail proof, either without the option to make mistakes, or with a guided tour, or a manual included in the download.
4. i asked a while ago that https://wiki.anoncoin.net/Team should be created (just copy paste from https://anoncoin.net/index.php/the-coin), i added a link to the team page. (see blow)
5. i agree that the average user will not read thru the wiki, but im sure they can read an article on there just as wall as on the front page, as long as they are being served a direct link.
6. i guess its just about where we draw the line between "enough info" and "tech info". i think you are a little to advanced and im probably a little to "normal" Smiley
anyway im convinced that with some good direct links to the relevant information the visitor will get what the visitor wants, whether its on a second front page or on a second wiki page.
the positive things with keeping the details in the wiki is that there is no limit to what can be added, its searchable, its more community friendly with several users being able to update, it has a good back end to make the updates and it keeps the main page clean.

and here is v.2.0:
http://image.bayimg.com/e528cc185becf0918610fdf5475b31f2e1b79d93.jpg

looking forward for more input...
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August 07, 2014, 07:55:09 PM
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n00n my future zerofriend : )  when everybody will be against you/site, I will support you the most.

You are doing a good job, who am I to criticize you? Smiley



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August 07, 2014, 07:55:48 PM
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under the "mine" section the "learn more" link must not be hostile to non tech people.

To be more explicit there must be information that 99%+ people who have never used coins etc will understand.

That's why I thought about a General Video... OR a official HOW TO (how to install, open, send, receive, dump privkey, import privkey, trade) So all the information for Beginners would be packed in this ... Or a simple PDF Guide.

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August 07, 2014, 07:59:22 PM
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dragon
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luigi
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that link goes to https://wiki.anoncoin.net/How_to_mine.

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problem with videos: hell to update/correct
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August 07, 2014, 08:07:09 PM
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dragon
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luigi
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that link goes to https://wiki.anoncoin.net/How_to_mine.

smokingskull
problem with videos: hell to update/correct

Hmm, better idea, We link to a "How to Start" or "For Beginners" on the wiki ... and give instructions

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August 07, 2014, 08:23:47 PM
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dragon
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luigi
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that link goes to https://wiki.anoncoin.net/How_to_mine.

smokingskull
problem with videos: hell to update/correct

Hmm, better idea, We link to a "How to Start" or "For Beginners" on the wiki ... and give instructions
I just created an article stub for how to mine anoncoin.

https://wiki.anoncoin.net/How_to_mine_Anoncoin

Could someone try to write this? Please ask if you need an account.

Also, I note that there is already a page describing how to download and set up you wallet

https://wiki.anoncoin.net/Setting_up_your_Anoncoin_wallet
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August 07, 2014, 08:26:26 PM
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Cool that almost everyone is positive about the design - only the drAgon seems to be a little negative - for the first time in the entire thread? Wink
Then - the content...
Only 2 comments so far:

* LuigiPabl sent me some good points, hope you like it better now (see below and correct me one again, english isn't my first language) keep in mind that some words like "decentralized" are good to keep for the search engines, even if it gets a little dense.

* lunokhod2 gave me a lot of input, i'll try to sum it up...
1. we should keep the tech talk down to a minimum.
2. there is not enough info about the coin, we need to describe what anoncoin is, how it is different from other coins, why anonymity matters, what Zerocoin is and why a casual internet user should download the client.
3. there is no info about how to download the client, how to set it up, and to give some real basic security advice.
4. there should be info about the dev team.
5. the average user will not read the wiki, so all information should be in the graphical web site
6. one page format doesn't provide enough space for the content needed, 3 pages should do it.

...and answer:
1. agree.
2. i agree that its good to exemplify what is unique with anoncoins privacy and anonymity, but its getting techy very fast im afraid... maybe some more info written in "normal" english could be added to the "black box of info", feel free to give it a try.
i added direct links to the I2P, Tor and Zerocoin pages in the wiki. (see below)
an idea for the anon-wiki to show differences between coins: make a table with the anonymous cryptocurrencies and their different privacy features (something like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cryptocurrency#List_of_cryptocurrencies). this could also be copied to the actual wikipedia article under a new header "Anonymity".
3. the visitor just has to click the OS of choice under "WALLET" to download the client.
im convinced that the best way of helping the user set up the wallet is to make the installation process fail proof, either without the option to make mistakes, or with a guided tour, or a manual included in the download.
4. i asked a while ago that https://wiki.anoncoin.net/Team should be created (just copy paste from https://anoncoin.net/index.php/the-coin), i added a link to the team page. (see blow)
5. i agree that the average user will not read thru the wiki, but im sure they can read an article on there just as wall as on the front page, as long as they are being served a direct link.
6. i guess its just about where we draw the line between "enough info" and "tech info". i think you are a little to advanced and im probably a little to "normal" Smiley
anyway im convinced that with some good direct links to the relevant information the visitor will get what the visitor wants, whether its on a second front page or on a second wiki page.
the positive things with keeping the details in the wiki is that there is no limit to what can be added, its searchable, its more community friendly with several users being able to update, it has a good back end to make the updates and it keeps the main page clean.

and here is v.2.0:
http://image.bayimg.com/e528cc185becf0918610fdf5475b31f2e1b79d93.jpg

looking forward for more input...
n00n,

Could you make sure that you add multilingual support for the new web site? As soon as we agree on the final text, I will put out some bounties to get it translate it into several languages, like chinese, japanese, french, russian, spanish, etc.

I will PM you with specific comments.
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August 07, 2014, 08:41:36 PM
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What about an android compatible ANC wallet?  Has that been done yet?

There are 100 ANC bounty for an android wallet those are in this address: ANdron1Fjwrkts7mzzyupLLAbehNtKk9e8

I can transfer the ANC to Lunokhod2 if he wants to announce an official bounty.

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