Official Anoncoin chat thread (including history)

[geekz]

Given below is Anoncoin 1 Year chart at cryptsy. Anoncoin has reached almost highest ever trading volume again, i.e. more than 60k ANC.
Share your views everyone.
 reference url : http://www.cryptocoincharts.info/period-charts.php?period=1-year&resolution=day&pair=anc-btc&market=cryptsy

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[JJqiu1]

I was one of the first people mining ANON and now i hold nothing

[newb4now]

Would the community be interested in a Darkwallet type product for Anoncoin until Zerocoin/Zerocash can be implemented?

I have a friend who says he could implement it within a few weeks tops.

If your friend can add the feature , then i would request to send pull request at https://github.com/Anoncoin/anoncoin with updates as It's open source.
The lead developer will review it.

Thanks! He asked to to confirm that the lead developer would be willing to consider it upon completion. If the developer/community is solely focused on Zerocoin then he does not want to spend time on something that people wont care about.

Is the developer still active here? I say a post a while back saying he was taking a break from the forums.

What do people think the price potential of ANC would be upon release of a successful release of such an offering?

[drAGon925]

Woohoo, few days offline and new hands get our precious Anoncoins!

Congratulations, and good luck to new buyers,
we are hodling with you!

And goodbye too week hands 

 

[XbladeX]

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Is the developer still active here? I say a post a while back saying he was taking a break from the forums.
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He wrote he is on IRC.

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What do people think the price potential of ANC would be upon release of a successful release of such an offering?
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up to 50x in Pump, ANC is good coin
1st anon coin and fair well distributed no big holders.
Pump can be done to 10m market cap and real price about 2-10m
With black market on board 100m and more in future.

[gostrol]

date	block	subsidy	part coin mined	total coin
13/06/02	1	4.2	4.2	4.2
13/07/08	42000	7	176400	176400
13/08/20	77777	5	250439	426839
15/01/22	306600	2.5	1144115	1570954
16/10/22	613200	1.25	766500	2337454
18/07/23	919800	0.625	383250	2720704
20/04/22	1226400	0.3125	191625	2912329
22/01/21	1533000	0.15625	95812	3008141
23/10/22	1839600	0.078125	47906	3056047
25/07/22	2146200	0.0390625	23953	3080000
27/04/22	2452800	0.01953125	11976	3091977
29/01/20	2759400	0.009765625	5988	3097965
30/10/21	3066000	0.004882813	2994	3100959
32/07/21	3372600	0.002441406	1497	3102456
34/04/21	3679200	0.001220703	748	3103205
36/01/20	3985800	0.000610352	374	3103579

Thank you .  The blockchain at ancblockchain.com was also not showing correct block reward value, for 1 to 42000 blocks and i Fixed it now.  I have also added latest CNY value of ANC at http://www.btc38.com/trade_en.html?btc38_trade_coin_name=anc in the homepage.
But gostrol , Can you please explain on how you calculated the exact dates?

Well see following code from main.cpp in ANC github:

I think you got it wrong with subsidy.

Code:

int64 nSubsidy = 5 * COIN;
    // Some adjustments to the start of the lifetime to Anoncoin
    if (nHeight < 42000) {
        nSubsidy = 4.2 * COIN;
    } else if (nHeight < 77777) { // All luck is seven ;)
        nSubsidy = 7 * COIN;
    } else if (nHeight == 77778) {
        nSubsidy = 10 * COIN;
    } else {
        nSubsidy >>= (nHeight / 306600); // Anoncoin: 306600 blocks in ~2 years
....

static const int64 BlocksTargetSpacing = 3 * 60; // 3 minutes

Subsidy halving is at block 306600 and at the moment a block is 3 min hence I did the difference betwen current block value and 306600 and multiplied it by 3 min. Then I used http://www.timeanddate.com/date/timeadd.html# to add the number of minutes obtained to current date to get the future date of halving. Then I added 306600*3 = 919800 min to that date to get the next date of halving, etc...

So upto the 8th of July 2013, the total number of coins after 42,000 blocks was 176,400?

13/07/08   42000   7   176400   176400

That is exact:
Block 1 to block 41999 was 4.2 ANC per block hence 42000*4.2 = 176400

For purists:

from block 42000 up to block 77776 block reward is 7
block 77777 reward is 5
block 77778 reward is 10
then block 77779 and above are 5 until block 306600

Btw in the above calculus I dismissed block 77778 which was 10 ANC and counted it 5 to simplify

Geekz block reward http://ancblockchain.com/block/d13f93f9fdac82ea26ed8f90474ed2449c8c24be50a416e43c323a38573c30e5 should be 10

[drAGon925]

Nothing better to start this week then see gnos1s activity


https://github.com/Anoncoin/ufo_client/commits?author=Gnos1s

[XbladeX]

Nothing better to start this week then see gnos1s activity


https://github.com/Anoncoin/ufo_client/commits?author=Gnos1s

yea :-)

[geekz]

Nothing better to start this week then see gnos1s activity


https://github.com/Anoncoin/ufo_client/commits?author=Gnos1s

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True!

[geekz]

I was one of the first people mining ANON and now i hold nothing

I think, this is the best time for you to own ANC again. 

[geekz]

That is exact:
Block 1 to block 41999 was 4.2 ANC per block hence 42000*4.2 = 176400

For purists:

from block 42000 up to block 77776 block reward is 7
block 77777 reward is 5
block 77778 reward is 10
then block 77779 and above are 5 until block 306600

Btw in the above calculus I dismissed block 77778 which was 10 ANC and counted it 5 to simplify

Geekz block reward http://ancblockchain.com/block/d13f93f9fdac82ea26ed8f90474ed2449c8c24be50a416e43c323a38573c30e5 should be 10

Thanks for the details. I fixed the block reward value of 77778th block.
But How did you calculate time for first 42000 blocks and blocks till 77776?

[TheKoziTwo]

Code:

[10:26] <M10> Gnosis, about two weeks have passed, leaving a zerocoin release in about 4 weeks (max).
[10:26] <M10> Could you let us know if you are on track to meet this deadline?
[21:14] <coinRelay> <Gnosis@I2P> M10_: I believe I am on track
[21:15] <coinRelay> <Gnosis@I2P> my job is not as busy now, so I will have more time to work on zerocoin
[21:15] <coinRelay> <Gnosis@I2P> I am getting very close to having a working client/server for RSA UFO factoring
[21:15] <coinRelay> <Gnosis@I2P> (what meeh calls "brute forcing" :P)
[21:15] <coinRelay> <Gnosis@I2P> after that, it's back to working on zerocoin itself

Code:

[22:28] <myeagleflies> Gnosis: ok. any update to ETA on completion of ZC?
[23:12] <coinRelay> <Gnosis@I2P> myeagleflies: I am aiming for July 10 for getting it on the testnet
[23:13] <coinRelay> <Gnosis@I2P> probably not much longer before it's on mainnet

[dewdeded]

So Anoncoin is just one (major) dev?

[TheKoziTwo]

So Anoncoin is just one (major) dev?

Well pretty much, we are all waiting for Gnosis to finish the ZC implementation at this point. Meeh said he will do the UI to spare Gnosis for some work however:

Code:

[19:03] <hhhzzzz75> over in anoncoin-dev , meeh has been ‘working on the GUI’ for 5 months
[19:03] <hhhzzzz75> and here it is revealed he has zero direction for what the GUI should look like
[19:03] <hhhzzzz75> there is no gui. meeh is doing nothing

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[gostrol]

Thanks for the details. I fixed the block reward value of 77778th block.
But How did you calculate time for first 42000 blocks and blocks till 77776?

I did not calculate, I checked at ANCblockchain the timestamp

Also before Meeh put Kimoto Gravity Well there was alot of problem with mining pools increasing diff to sky high (circa blocks 77777-87777)... The difficulty algorithm did not work great at that time hence the theoretical time was not respected...

[geekz]

So Anoncoin is just one (major) dev?

Yes, Gnosis is the major developer for ZEROCOIN implementation.
If you compare Anoncoin with DRK, Anoncoin has more developers and all the code is Open Source..

[geekz]

Thanks for the details. I fixed the block reward value of 77778th block.
But How did you calculate time for first 42000 blocks and blocks till 77776?

I did not calculate, I checked at ANCblockchain the timestamp

Also before Meeh put Kimoto Gravity Well there was alot of problem with mining pools increasing diff to sky high (circa blocks 77777-87777)... The difficulty algorithm did not work great at that time hence the theoretical time was not respected...

Thank You for the clarification. 

[lunokhod2]

Here's an interesting article on deanonymizing coinjoin.

http://www.coindesk.com/blockchains-sharedcoin-users-can-identified-says-security-expert/

They don't discuss DarkCoin explicitly, but I presume they have the exact same problem.

[SpruceMoosey]

Here's an interesting article on deanonymizing coinjoin.

http://www.coindesk.com/blockchains-sharedcoin-users-can-identified-says-security-expert/

They don't discuss DarkCoin explicitly, but I presume they have the exact same problem.

What exactly is the problem you are hinting?    I don't see it.

[lunokhod2]

Here's an interesting article on deanonymizing coinjoin.

http://www.coindesk.com/blockchains-sharedcoin-users-can-identified-says-security-expert/

They don't discuss DarkCoin explicitly, but I presume they have the exact same problem.

What exactly is the problem you are hinting?    I don't see it.

The article discusses how to deanonymize bitcoin transactions that make use of CoinJoin (which is a simple way of mixing a small number of transactions together in a block). DarkCoin's "darksend" is based on coinjoin, so I presume that it is equally unsafe (but perhaps there are some extra subtleties). The point is: If anoncoin gets zerocoin working, it will be the only truly anonymous coin out there...

I quote from the article:

Bitcoin users in need of serious transaction privacy should avoid popular services like Blockchain’s SharedCoin and other CoinJoin implementations, according to a well-known security expert.

Consultant Kristov Atlas, author of the book Anonymous Bitcoin, published a security advisory today saying weaknesses in SharedCoin offered privacy only from “unskilled examiners of the bitcoin blockchain” – and even then, only until more sophisticated analysis tools were made user-friendly enough for the average user to deploy.