Official Anoncoin chat thread (including history)

[SmokingSkull]

We are trusting Gnosis et al to kick arse here and they will, so get real, stick with us and own some ANC, else do your own thing elsewhere !

Yes trust him. You will need much trust to retrieve your minted zerocoins. I hope for you he is not paid by the NSA to put backdoors on the accumulators!

Well, all of us that are suspicious can look at the code ourselves and check that there's no monkey business before we compile it and use it in the network; the beauties of open source.

And, if your not able to do it yourself then you need to trust someone else :-)

That's why cash is better for some !

99% of the users have no skills to find a smart implemented backdoor and 99% will never compile it from the source. They will use the pre-compiled file.
Gnosis can steal all your minted coins long time before someone find the backdoor.

EDIT: Maybe this is why he want to remain anonymous

You know ... if you don't trust anybody I would not want to be you on this world.
I'm very sure you don't have the skill to read code like a professional, that being said i don't know why you are even in the Altcoinmarket ... since every Altcoin is forked and altered in the developers way. So I ask myself. Why are you here if you don't trust anybody?  

Why are you not visiting castles, make a hike with your girlfriend, watch tv, gather some mushrooms for cooking, read a good book ...

EDIT: I'm sure you won't answer this question really ...

As I say before, I'm an early adopter and hold still a significant ANC amount. Human intelligence allows us to think for ourselves and to question things. The problem with Gnosis: he is he totally closed, he want sheep and call others as troll. It's an easy way to flee the dialogue but it proves once again his incompetance and lack of transparency.

Okay RSA - what do you want to ask Gnosis?

If your questions refer to his real Name and personal information ... I am sorry, this is the internet ... I'm wondering why Meeh is so public, it's good of course, but necessary?
Do we need to know who Satoshi Nakamoto is ... or do we love this guy for his creation of Bitcoin.

Ultimately ... the only important thing for a project is the code ... not the person behind it. To know more about the person is sometimes comforting but not needed for the code to work.

[ToxicDartFrog]

You are correct, I have a girlfriend who works as a consultant marketing psychologist for big global corps, and i discussed the idea with her a while back but, basically, ZKPs, it's a great but you cannot sell something with "zero" in it, it will not sell, zero implies nothing/loss and so humans feel no desire to be there.

What the hell was the coca cola company thinking when they made coke zero? Or maybe because zero implies no calories, kind of like how zerocoin implies no trace? I don't think it's the zero part of zerocoin that makes it confusing, it's the coin part. Sounds like its own coin instead of a protocol.

[SmokingSkull]

You are correct, I have a girlfriend who works as a consultant marketing psychologist for big global corps, and i discussed the idea with her a while back but, basically, ZKPs, it's a great but you cannot sell something with "zero" in it, it will not sell, zero implies nothing/loss and so humans feel no desire to be there.

What the hell was the coca cola company thinking when they made coke zero? Or maybe because zero implies no calories, kind of like how zerocoin implies no trace?

who drinks that shit anyway...

[gunzeon]

You are correct, I have a girlfriend who works as a consultant marketing psychologist for big global corps, and i discussed the idea with her a while back but, basically, ZKPs, it's a great but you cannot sell something with "zero" in it, it will not sell, zero implies nothing/loss and so humans feel no desire to be there.

What the hell was the coca cola company thinking when they made coke zero? Or maybe because zero implies no calories, kind of like how zerocoin implies no trace?

She consulted to them and i will ask tomorrow !

deletion ...

Seriously, on Trust, trusting anybody anywhere with anything.

Can you imagine all the millions of alternately modified bitcoin clients out there spamming the network looking for cracks in it?... where there's money involved there's scammers like flies to shit. Can you imagine the heat banking websites get from wannabe intruders ?

Look at bitcoin, swarms of thieves and scammers surrounding it for years and afaik, nobody has really stolen a penny because of a protocol failure (lately), it seems totally bombproof to me. Hell, how many cpus are trying to find wallet private keys as we speak ? squillions.

Now, ANC, despite being a mature altcoin for more than one year, will need to show that zANC works, does what it should and no more. The more discussion of the rsa_ufos, ZKPs, accumulators, whatever, then the more chance of critical eyes finding flaws in the zerocoin swapping concept.

progress is happening, perfection will not be immediate i am sure.

Look guys, buy ur anoncoin, and stfu !

[gunzeon]

by "guys" i mean the doubting Thomas's among us

[That Guy]

Anoncoin, now featuring Zerotech, for all your anonymous needs.

[geekz]

[trolling removed]

Ah, another one for the ignore list. Just a friendly reminder: if they are a new user and all of their previous posts were used to create fear, uncertainty, and doubt, then they're a troll; it's a waste of time to reply to them (this one, rsa_ufo_attack, btcseller*, etc.). It uses up energy that could be used for doing truly awesome things. 

@Gnosis- , Dont listen to these trolls. We know how hard you have been working on the zerocoin integration. People do not understand the level of engineering we have used to create even the RSA-UFO.  You have spent a lot of time on it and researched through a lot of stuff to reach this point and we know it.   You are awesome and i really feel privileged to be part of the awesome journey that we are having.   Imagine , we can tell our grandchildren about what we are doing! It would be awesome!

[matthewh3]

[trolling removed]

Ah, another one for the ignore list. Just a friendly reminder: if they are a new user and all of their previous posts were used to create fear, uncertainty, and doubt, then they're a troll; it's a waste of time to reply to them (this one, rsa_ufo_attack, btcseller*, etc.). It uses up energy that could be used for doing truly awesome things.  

@Gnosis- , Dont listen to these trolls. We know how hard you have been working on the zerocoin integration. People do not understand the level of engineering we have used to create even the RSA-UFO.  You have spent a lot of time on it and researched through a lot of stuff to reach this point and we know it.   You are awesome and i really feel privileged to be part of the awesome journey that we are having.   Imagine , we can tell our grandchildren about what we are doing! It would be awesome!

I was just about to post the following -

Stop feeding the trolls guys and don't believe their stories about being early adopters or big ANC bag holders.  They're here to FUD to try and protect their wishful wannabe anonymous coin.  Zerocoin and ring-signatures to a lesser extent are the only current available anonymous transaction techniques that work.  All the code is to be 100% fully opensource so yes their will be extensive peer reviews.  What for those peer reviews to grade the anoncoin developers.  Not the newbie shill FUD'er accounts popping up all of a sudden now that they see Anoncoin as a major threat to their own projects that they've heavily invested their time and monies in.

[geekz]

Here are some nice pretty tables from analyzing the RSA UFO project results, including ranking of UFO participants:


^ Yes, that's 8 years of total core time! 





More information will come after I sleep.

WoW! Thats awesome!!!!  I wish i could have contributed more. ..

[geekz]

[trolling removed]

Ah, another one for the ignore list. Just a friendly reminder: if they are a new user and all of their previous posts were used to create fear, uncertainty, and doubt, then they're a troll; it's a waste of time to reply to them (this one, rsa_ufo_attack, btcseller*, etc.). It uses up energy that could be used for doing truly awesome things.  

@Gnosis- , Dont listen to these trolls. We know how hard you have been working on the zerocoin integration. People do not understand the level of engineering we have used to create even the RSA-UFO.  You have spent a lot of time on it and researched through a lot of stuff to reach this point and we know it.   You are awesome and i really feel privileged to be part of the awesome journey that we are having.   Imagine , we can tell our grandchildren about what we are doing! It would be awesome!

I was just about to post the following -

Stop feeding the trolls guys and don't believe their stories about being early adopters or big ANC bag holders.  They're here to FUD to try and protect their wishful wannabe anonymous coin.  Zerocoin and ring-signatures to a lesser extent are the only current available anonymous transaction techniques that work.  All the code is to be 100% fully opensource so yes their will be extensive peer reviews.  What for those peer reviews to grade the anoncoin developers.  Not the newbie shill FUD'er accounts popping up all of a sudden now that they see Anoncoin as a major threat to their own projects that they've heavily invested their time and monies in.

Absolutely true sir! Very well said!

[Gnosis-]

Welcome to the software industry. Deal with a few delays. The rest of the world does.

In the case of Zerocoin, though, everything is on track for testnet release on October 15, and mainnet release on November 1. 

How are donations coming?

Well, I've gotten 914.76101176 ANC (from you(thanks!), abyss, WDL, varun555, Apraksin, gunzeon, bitarro, Jungian, and TheKoziTwo) and 1 BTC (from WDL) so far. This is enough to carry me through October 14 full time!

[Gnosis-]

[big chart...]

WoW! Thats awesome!!!!  I wish i could have contributed more. ..

Hey, no problem, you contributed plenty! Thanks!

[niteglider]

Interesting how you can create a new account, challenge the qualifications of a proven dev and even come right out and claim ANC is a scam without ever once saying anything about who you are or what your qualifications are.  And we should take you seriously, troll?

Another interesting thing is how my auto-mechanic's tool set, which I use to work on my Mazda, has several tools perfectly suited for solving problems on my Yamaha- even though it nowhere says any of the tools were designed for working on a motorcycle.

Do you know anything at all about mathematics or computer coding?  You seem completely ignorant.  You seem to be a frightened little man trying desperately to protect the coin you have chosen and which you are now afraid will be eclipsed by the real thing.

So reveal to us, if ANC is a scam. which coin is better?

a) You are trying to build a consensus by distorting my position. I never said, nor implied that anc was a scam. The zerocoin implementation is extremely flawed and touches the level of scam.

b) Apparently Meeh felt pressured to implement a more marketable anonymity. He either walked or was led into a sort of trap. By now he understands no doubt that the zerocoin algo is not what he thought.

c) Gnosis certainly has competence in some areas, not in others. His final motive is not yet clear. Very obviously he is not a supporter of anc per se, but whether his intent is malicious is not clear. My best guess is that meeh mistakenly offered him a job that was misguided. Most people, if you offer to pay them well for something out of their league will happily agree. Offer a 5 year old a nickel to perform brain surgery and he will say "but i don't have a knife".

d) I am a long term holder of anc. I hesitate to sell what I have because I think it is a good coin, despite poor choices by meeh and others. I think anc developers are ahead of most others.

What is needed at this point is for the main developers of anc to step up. Stop pretending that zerocoin is going to be some great solution. If you want to choose a more anonymous algo then do it. If you want to develop one or pay to have one developed then do it. But the zerocoin nonsense has become farcical.

Let gnosis continue to play with those who want to play but do not let him bleed money from the simpler amongst anc supporters. He will continue accepting donations as long as the anc devs continue letting him pretend to be running the show. .Anc supporters need to get off the short bus, stop being so stupid. Use common sense.

Hm, well I know Meeh had some issues with the math being used.
Interesting thought though.
So you do believe that there will be no working testnet and if it might be a flawed tech which is not anonymous as described?
Keeps me thinking, though I trust.. and I like to believe.

This troll (btcseller2b) ignores request after request for any kind of personal qualification to make the judgements he makes all the while calling into question the qualifications of others.

This guy hasn't made me think once, but Gnosis- has caused me to google and read and research.

This guy claims not to have implied that ANC is a scam even though the clearly said zerocoin  is a scam.... thereby implying ANC is also a scam.

This guy claims to hold ANC while doing all he can (and quite feebly) to discredit it.

This guy is a liar and a charlatan, and I demand satisfaction with proton canons at 5000 meters!

[niteglider]

An "Anon-coupon" I like,

Or why not "Anon-voucher" then A coupon is something you receive for free to win discounts!
We are speaking about a technological product. We are not in the supermarket!

You are correct, I have a girlfriend who works as a consultant marketing psychologist for big global corps, and i discussed the idea with her a while back but, basically, ZKPs, it's a great but you cannot sell something with "zero" in it, it will not sell, zero implies nothing/loss and so humans feel no desire to be there.

We need a catch-phrase that emits positive vibes, alternatives like Voucher or Coupon, imply value and usability, even if they're a bit corny, we need some more head-banging/brainstorming here.

I'll be having have her 'round tomorrow night and that's on the menu ...

+1 here.  Test marketing 'zerocoin' among friends and acquaintances reveals the same results. 

Perhaps 'vANC,' for Anoncoin Voucher would work well.

[niteglider]

An "Anon-coupon" I like,

Or why not "Anon-voucher" then A coupon is something you receive for free to win discounts!
We are speaking about a technological product. We are not in the supermarket!

You are correct, I have a girlfriend who works as a consultant marketing psychologist for big global corps, and i discussed the idea with her a while back but, basically, ZKPs, it's a great but you cannot sell something with "zero" in it, it will not sell, zero implies nothing/loss and so humans feel no desire to be there.

We need a catch-phrase that emits positive vibes, alternatives like Voucher or Coupon, imply value and usability, even if they're a bit corny, we need some more head-banging/brainstorming here.

I'll be having have her 'round tomorrow night and that's on the menu ...

+1 here.  Test marketing 'zerocoin' among friends and acquaintances reveals the same results.  

Perhaps 'vANC,' for Anoncoin Voucher would work well.

Although I will say that once the tech is proven, the name will most likely be insignificant.  

If cokezero hadn't been shit, the name would have changed what 'zero' means in pop culture.

[TheKoziTwo]

Thanks for the update! How much funding is needed for you to work full time through the month of October also? Perhaps people here would be interested in pooling some funds together.

Well, the cost of living is high where I live... it would take about US$2750.

[...]
Also, gnosis, post your BTC, ANC addresses please

BTC: 14QnfqVG3CqLGBYHgD8tPYJVLxQ2AfvPEx
ANC: AU4hFCFZLhB2gTyG4VbaEurXGrTMNW2nu6

To get the ball rolling, I will match every 1 ANC donated with 1 ANC. My limit is 2000 ANC and offer lasts until 1st October, e.g if people donate 2000 ANC I will donate 2000 ANC which makes the total 4000 ANC.

At current price 4000*0.0015= 6 BTC * $460 = $2760

Gnosis has stated that he needs $2750 to work full time on anoncoin/zerocoin for the month of October.

Let's do it!

I'll donate 100ANC
TXID: edaa1c77a30df11f0913caba5feecc99b64201eacd361e6eb02ba84182d2907f

Excellent! 105 ANC so far, I just sent 105 from exchange (TrxID: b05e46271b949242952fa9b2ab0ba67e05078def69f9f5d5bb01deffb189a484).

That leaves 2000-105= 1895 ANC

Matched another 54.97 ANC

That leaves 1895-54.97 = 1840.03 ANC left for me to donate

Total so far: 319.94 ANC and 1 BTC

1 + (319.94 * 0.0015) = 1.47991 BTC = 1.48 * 460 = $680.80/$2750 = 25% of goal donated so far!

Another 210 matched.

1840.03-210 = 1630.03 ANC left for me to donate

Matched 37.42550588 ANC
1630.03-37.42550588 ANC = 1592.60449412 ANC left for me to donate

Just matched another 99.97 ANC.

1592.60449412-99.97 = 1492.63449412 ANC left for me to donate

[matthewh3]

I've read that the coin aims to move to a i2p networked only coin eventually.  How would this affect the liklyhood of the problems from Sybil attacks - https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Weaknesses#Sybil_attack - Should the coin follow Peercoin in adopting a very low inflation model.  To help fight the sybil attack dilemma by rewarding full nodes through staking.

Also is there any new news of the new auxPoW myriad fork implmentation.  Such as confirmed chains and timetable for implementation.

Plus I've posted a thread on this new exhanges forum - http://community.coldcryptos.com/threads/please-add-anoncoin.354 - by the guys behind The Multi Coin Tipping App - https://www.whitepuma.net/multitipping - about adding Anoncoin to their exchange.  If anyone wants to follow or add to the thread.

[gunzeon]

We are trusting Gnosis et al to kick arse here and they will, so get real, stick with us and own some ANC, else do your own thing elsewhere !

Yes trust him. You will need much trust to retrieve your minted zerocoins. I hope for you he is not paid by the NSA to put backdoors on the accumulators!

Well, all of us that are suspicious can look at the code ourselves and check that there's no monkey business before we compile it and use it in the network; the beauties of open source.

And, if your not able to do it yourself then you need to trust someone else :-)

That's why cash is better for some !

You seems to don't understand how will work zerocoin.
Gnosis will setup 13 accumulators using the trustless RSA-UFO to choose P and Q. He removed the small factors to increase the probability to have two large prime numbers.
All is based on probabilities that no one will find these 13 RSA UFOs. RSA-1024 have been already broken (not publicly because NSA want all the control safely). It will be just a question of time to someone break these 13 RSA UFOs and generate infinite ANC.
Source: https://wiki.anoncoin.net/RSA_UFO

Then, PLEASE, Meeh, I know you agree with me If you believe on ANC, please STOP this stupid project and find another way.
I can see the sheep screaming at troll but NO this is a serious problem for ANC in the long run if we implement zerocoin. All these sheep want to get money with the pump and dump. They don't care about ANC.

EDIT: Another point is that no one know if Gnosis will really use RSA-UFO to setup these 13 accumulators. What if he generate these RSA-UFOs himself to know P and Q and generate infinite ANC in the future?

Zercoin has always been in the Anoncoin Roadmap and it's happening now. Excellent!

I admit that I do not know the exact detail of how the keys to these accumulators are/were/will be derived and the management of their access, but I am sure that gnosis et al can assuage your concerns; checks and balances are not new to cryptocurrency.

If you're really worried which it sounds like you are, cash out now, plenty of buyers there and price is relatively good.
ie atm: 5.5K anc = ~7btc
( heck, there was guy here a few days ago wanted 20k+ of anc, chase him up if ur some kind of whale ... )

So, move on, invest in a coin you trust.

[niteglider]

We are trusting Gnosis et al to kick arse here and they will, so get real, stick with us and own some ANC, else do your own thing elsewhere !

Yes trust him. You will need much trust to retrieve your minted zerocoins. I hope for you he is not paid by the NSA to put backdoors on the accumulators!

Well, all of us that are suspicious can look at the code ourselves and check that there's no monkey business before we compile it and use it in the network; the beauties of open source.

And, if your not able to do it yourself then you need to trust someone else :-)

That's why cash is better for some !

You seems to don't understand how will work zerocoin.
Gnosis will setup 13 accumulators using the trustless RSA-UFO to choose P and Q. He removed the small factors to increase the probability to have two large prime numbers.
All is based on probabilities that no one will find these 13 RSA UFOs. RSA-1024 have been already broken (not publicly because NSA want all the control safely). It will be just a question of time to someone break these 13 RSA UFOs and generate infinite ANC.
Source: https://wiki.anoncoin.net/RSA_UFO

Then, PLEASE, Meeh, I know you agree with me If you believe on ANC, please STOP this stupid project and find another way.
I can see the sheep screaming at troll but NO this is a serious problem for ANC in the long run if we implement zerocoin. All these sheep want to get money with the pump and dump. They don't care about ANC.

EDIT: Another point is that no one know if Gnosis will really use RSA-UFO to setup these 13 accumulators. What if he generate these RSA-UFOs himself to know P and Q and generate infinite ANC in the future?

Yes, PLEASE!  Meeh!  For the love of God!  For the little children!  Don't destroy DarkCoin and all the other pretenders by creating
a truly anonymous cryptocoin!  Think of all the poor fools who trusted those devs who will never go open source!

[varun555]

An "Anon-coupon" I like,

Or why not "Anon-voucher" then A coupon is something you receive for free to win discounts!
We are speaking about a technological product. We are not in the supermarket!

You are correct, I have a girlfriend who works as a consultant marketing psychologist for big global corps, and i discussed the idea with her a while back but, basically, ZKPs, it's a great but you cannot sell something with "zero" in it, it will not sell, zero implies nothing/loss and so humans feel no desire to be there.

We need a catch-phrase that emits positive vibes, alternatives like Voucher or Coupon, imply value and usability, even if they're a bit corny, we need some more head-banging/brainstorming here.

I'll be having have her 'round tomorrow night and that's on the menu ...

+1 here.  Test marketing 'zerocoin' among friends and acquaintances reveals the same results.  

Perhaps 'vANC,' for Anoncoin Voucher would work well.

Although I will say that once the tech is proven, the name will most likely be insignificant.  

If cokezero hadn't been shit, the name would have changed what 'zero' means in pop culture.

How about :
Anoncoin Redeem (ANC.R) OR we could have the coin symbol with .R or r