Official Anoncoin chat thread (including history)

[BlindMayorBitcorn]

This thing got very shady very quickly. Are these guys for real?

[rsa_ufo_attack]

LMAO
Who is the troll now?
All remember of my posts here. Someone send me 20 BTC some weeks ago to remove them all. Today, I understand why.

[Gnosis-]

If I may, I'd like to make some suggestions to the ANC team...

Before the move to zANC I think it would be wise to fix the KGW issue; I don't think K1773R wants to spend his life mining 100k tx when the volume of transactions goes up. It doesn't need to come with the myriad if this is holding ANC back; these could be sequenced.
@ meeh it'd be nice to get an idea of when the fix will be made.

@ Gnosis it seems like a heavy schedule during the 1 week assumed to deliver the zANC testnet... Personally I don't like to get news of delays 1 day before a deadline - it's much better to assume things take 2X or even 3X longer when setting a deadline and deliver ahead of schedule (if things are ready); this fuels much more positive cycles. I know that this is complex and difficult to plan, it's only a matter of managing expectations from the community.

Agreed with the above!

Would also like to add that the proposed schedule outlined by Gnosis looks very heavy and I would infer unrealistic.

I rest my case

Yes, it was very heavy. In any case, I am still committed to getting this done, just not in the original time frame.

It's probably too much to ask, but for all of you panicking about the price dropping, hold tight because this is only temporary. I remember when BTC dropped from $30 to $2 and stayed there for months, before going back up to $60 and beyond. A coin dropping in price does not mean it's dead.

[alincoln]

If I may, I'd like to make some suggestions to the ANC team...

Before the move to zANC I think it would be wise to fix the KGW issue; I don't think K1773R wants to spend his life mining 100k tx when the volume of transactions goes up. It doesn't need to come with the myriad if this is holding ANC back; these could be sequenced.
@ meeh it'd be nice to get an idea of when the fix will be made.

@ Gnosis it seems like a heavy schedule during the 1 week assumed to deliver the zANC testnet... Personally I don't like to get news of delays 1 day before a deadline - it's much better to assume things take 2X or even 3X longer when setting a deadline and deliver ahead of schedule (if things are ready); this fuels much more positive cycles. I know that this is complex and difficult to plan, it's only a matter of managing expectations from the community.

Agreed with the above!

Would also like to add that the proposed schedule outlined by Gnosis looks very heavy and I would infer unrealistic.

I rest my case

Yes, it was very heavy. In any case, I am still committed to getting this done, just not in the original time frame.

It's probably too much to ask, but for all of you panicking about the price dropping, hold tight because this is only temporary. I remember when BTC dropped from $30 to $2 and stayed there for months, before going back up to $60 and beyond. A coin dropping in price does not mean it's dead.

Bare minimum you should be doing by now besides apologizing is giving a full and detailed report of what you supposedly have achieved so far, and why you are postponing it again for 3 months after being 3 or 4 days away from the release date. The very fact that I am having to tell you this, along with your excess of optimism setting deadlines, is a big hit to your reputation and nail in ANC's coffin IMO.

[wooder]

If I may, I'd like to make some suggestions to the ANC team...

Before the move to zANC I think it would be wise to fix the KGW issue; I don't think K1773R wants to spend his life mining 100k tx when the volume of transactions goes up. It doesn't need to come with the myriad if this is holding ANC back; these could be sequenced.
@ meeh it'd be nice to get an idea of when the fix will be made.

@ Gnosis it seems like a heavy schedule during the 1 week assumed to deliver the zANC testnet... Personally I don't like to get news of delays 1 day before a deadline - it's much better to assume things take 2X or even 3X longer when setting a deadline and deliver ahead of schedule (if things are ready); this fuels much more positive cycles. I know that this is complex and difficult to plan, it's only a matter of managing expectations from the community.

Agreed with the above!

Would also like to add that the proposed schedule outlined by Gnosis looks very heavy and I would infer unrealistic.

I rest my case

Yes, it was very heavy. In any case, I am still committed to getting this done, just not in the original time frame.

It's probably too much to ask, but for all of you panicking about the price dropping, hold tight because this is only temporary. I remember when BTC dropped from $30 to $2 and stayed there for months, before going back up to $60 and beyond. A coin dropping in price does not mean it's dead.

Bare minimum you should be doing by now besides apologizing is giving a full and detailed report of what you supposedly have achieved so far, and why you are postponing it again for 3 months after being 3 or 4 days away from the release date. The very fact that I am having to tell you this, along with your excess of optimism setting deadlines, is a big hit to your reputation and nail in ANC's coffin IMO.

reputation of an account that has 90 posts you are a funny guy

[nbrk]

I guess this is a pretty apt demonstration of anonymity curtailing responsibility. Double-edged sword to say the least. The limits of libertarianism to a fucking T.

[Skirmant]

I underestimated the scope of this project and set too ambitious of a schedule for it. Zerocoin will be probably be ready within 2-3 months, but I don't want to give any more release dates (either for testnet or mainnet) until I am very, very close. I will not make this mistake again.

I will continue to give status updates, and I have made tremendous progress in recent weeks. As I promised, I will still work full time on this until November 1, and I expect to have a few hours a day after that to work on it.

Welp, you fucked it up. Only on the last few remaining days you realized that you need 3 extra months? That sounds like bullshit to me, or at least massively irresponsible.
The constant lying, endless delays and market manipulation has stripped Anoncoin of it's credibility and I bet you intended to create all this hype in order to have a better exit price.

I've definitely lost faith in this project..

[anonymousxx1503]

This is fucked up. From an assured Oct 15th testnet, to a week delay, to a 2-3 month delay. There's really nothing I can say, very weird way of acting.

When the darkcoin dev made a few mistakes along the way, I always felt assured that he would pull through with results, since he had his real name and face out there since day 1 (and had been delivering actual results) . With gnosis it feels like he can just walk away from all this stuff if he decides to and no one can hold him accountable for it. If he feels the task is too big after all, all he needs to do is stop posting.

[CryptoConnection]

Massive dump, massive money lost for investors.

We believe in a project, we hold through the good.... we get eaten alive by devs empty promises.

For shame.

[darlidada]

Just some quote from gnosis account to put things into perspective:

his first post on btct in 2013:

Perhaps anoncoin can fulfill a market niche, but everyone is watching the zerocash developers, it's likely they will be in the spotllight while anoncoin at best remains in the shadows
Hello all, I am Gnosis, the new member of the Anoncoin team; I will be implementing Zerocoin in Anoncoin.  Since an interested party has chosen to support this development financially, I will be able spend a lot more of my time on this.  Expect a release for testing Zerocoin sometime in March!

a few weeks ago:

I realized that I have made deadlines in the past that were not met. I put a lot of thought into the above deadlines and I know that they can be met. Just as a reminder, I'm working full-time on Zerocoin until at least October 1, and possibly after depending on funding.

[fuckbuddy]

Massive dump, massive money lost for investors.

Really? Nothing lost until you sell for a lower price than you bought for...

[BlindMayorBitcorn]

Massive dump, massive money lost for investors.

Really? Nothing lost until you sell for a lower price than you bought for...

It's called unrealized loss. Really;)

[novdatdmp]

There will be a data dump in nov. One of the biggest yet. It details efforts to discredit the anonymous movement. Anoncoin is mentioned thousands of times in the small sections that have been reviewed so far. Can post a few gb early if you like.

[stibot]

This is fucked up. From an assured Oct 15th testnet, to a week delay, to a 2-3 month delay. There's really nothing I can say, very weird way of acting.

When the darkcoin dev made a few mistakes along the way, I always felt assured that he would pull through with results, since he had his real name and face out there since day 1 (and had been delivering actual results) . With gnosis it feels like he can just walk away from all this stuff if he decides to and no one can hold him accountable for it. If he feels the task is too big after all, all he needs to do is stop posting.

These "delays" are going on for around a year already.

Do not send any donations. As long as they receive donations they will pretend an activity "2 weeks" (TM). If gnosis was ever serious he would finish the coin long time ago and could become rich instantly from its repricing. But he is focused on cashing the donations only. Why is that?

[fuckbuddy]

Massive dump, massive money lost for investors.

Really? Nothing lost until you sell for a lower price than you bought for...

It's called unrealized loss. Really;)

IMO the only mistake gnos1s did was to offer those silly time-frames... He has no responsibilities towards us, we are not employing him, he is not working for our start up -- we never signed any contracts. Our investing is highly risky and its silly from some people to talk in a way as if they were gnos1s boss or something, get real. The guy wants to implement zerocoin that's all. If you want a secure, slow investment way then buy bonds and mutual funds.

[CarlosFromAcuapulco]

IMO the only mistake gnos1s did was to offer those silly time-frames... He has no responsibilities towards us, we are not employing him, he is not working for our start up -- we never signed any contracts. Our investing is highly risky and its silly from some people to talk in a way as if they were gnos1s boss or something, get real. The guy wants to implement zerocoin that's all. If you want a secure, slow investment way then buy bonds and mutual funds.

He is a liar or very very stupid.
If he confuses a few days with 2-3 months, he will never to implement zerocoin.

That's 5 days left until Zerocoin on testnet. Some 22-23 days until it's on mainnet.
Getting very close!  

[anonymousxx1503]

Serious question : Gnosis are you still like figuring out how this shit works or something? Are you lost in the advanced cryptography and mathematics? Do you know exactly how zerocoin is supposed to work and what it takes to make it work and how to code that? Are you learning on the spot? Something is clearly wrong.


If you do intend on doing this, don't give fixed deadlines, give lots of updates and explain those updates so it doesn't just feel like you're saying words. If you said ok done with "x", say what X does. For fucks sake.

[sparta_cuss]

Strange. Check out all the ZC notices on Twitter:

https://twitter.com/AnonCoinProject

What does this mean?

[anonymousxx1503]

Why are you committing so much now?

https://twitter.com/AnoncoinProject/with_replies


A guy with 21 BTC just moved down his bid to 0.0007 from 0.00086, smart move.



Last thing I post for now, if you're for real Gnosis and you really can get the job done, I can sympathize with the pressure from the community for updates. If you're not for real and just hoping you can pull it off well then of course die in a fire.

[stealth923]

This is fucked up. From an assured Oct 15th testnet, to a week delay, to a 2-3 month delay. There's really nothing I can say, very weird way of acting.

When the darkcoin dev made a few mistakes along the way, I always felt assured that he would pull through with results, since he had his real name and face out there since day 1 (and had been delivering actual results) . With gnosis it feels like he can just walk away from all this stuff if he decides to and no one can hold him accountable for it. If he feels the task is too big after all, all he needs to do is stop posting.

+1 for Darkcoin dev - he has done it the right way and delivered successfully.

Invest in the dev!