DragonMint T1 16TH/S halongmining.com

[numnutz2009]

Please don't count me  with other buyers.   I have yet to be billed.

I have 5x T1's and 1x B52

 I have stated  on the forum I have yet to be billed.  So I can't say I hate anyone.  From their company.

I have stated  early buyers got hurt.  I also told everyone don't buy until I get get and give results.

Results are  showing it is most likely  a little better then the s-9.

im still not understanding how these are better than the s9's....

t1 cons:

1. pool restriction (less options)
2. hashes out of spec based on the many posts being provided by folks
3. has to be underclocked to reach the watts per th/s numbers they bragged about and even that needs more testing
4. the biggest thing is THE HASHRATE ISNT THE ACTUAL BASE HASHRATE OF THE MINER!. the antminer s9's base hashrate from the factory is 13-14th/s (depending on the model) the base hashrate of the t1 is 12-12.8th/s from the factory. how can u folks overlook this asicboost info like that?? what happens if bitmain or another user posts a firmware allowing asicboost on the s9?? even then i would not consider the hashrate of the device being anything except the base stock hashrate. the boosted numbers can be shared as well but the base numbers should be posted first and halong didnt tell any of u this info....they basically stuck u with this miner that they claimed was 16th/s when really its not that speed at all....even with asicboost it struggles to hit those numbers.
5. they overcharged for the miner and under delivered
6. locked to one coin and one coin only....even if u dont like ppc and bch they r viable options that are available to folks but not to folks with t1's because they require certain pools to be used.

t2 pros:

1. competition for other miner manufacturers........but not really since they charged $1400 more for less hardware lol.


not to sound rude but i must ask this bluntly...r u sayin these r a little better than s9's simply because you havent been charged for the hardware?? I can see that bein the case and even i wouldnt worry about the specs of the machine as much if i had miners i wasnt charged for but based on the facts here they dont seem to be better than the s9. with the s9 they promise specs and u get those specs. thats one of the pros to those miners. i would love miner options but if im going to upgrade goin on 2 year old hardware with new hardware y would i want somethin that doesnt even out perform what i already have and costs more??

also to clear a few things up about the s9:

1. the fan speed is controllable. this applies to both the non auto tuned miners and the auto tuned ones. there is a hardware change and a software change that can be done to achieve this.
2. the freq is controllable. sure u cant control the freq for each board by itself but if u want to run at 400-650 thats totally changeable.

im not sayin s9's arent without their faults but bitmain hasnt given me ne free miners and neither has halong so this is info based on what im seein and what i have experienced first hand with my own miners.


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[Lj22]

I had these concerns too. So far T1 looks over hyped and under delivered feels like that even more especially after the way higher prices. The price that it was launched at was reasonable for these specs

[philipma1957]

At numnutz2009

To make the case correctly.  don't  quote me  without this info below

I always said wait till I get mine and test them.

So now that I tested them

decide if you want to order a 13.9 th to 14.1 th that uses about 1325 watts

on under clock  with the stock myrig psu.

it is not loud on efficient setting.

to set s-9 fans your way voids warranty.

and no s-9 does 0.095 on an apw3 or for that matter on a myrig psu.

To all those that order before I did tests that is on them.

What do I think it is worth

more then 1228  less then 2000

to be more clear

more the 1450
less then 1850

[Megaquake]

I have no idea what price allows them a profit.

But a moq of 2.  Would help a lot.

The corsairs are due on Monday my guess is under 1295 watts since it is a titanium

What is the wattage draw using the Model:HSTNS-PR16 2450w PSU you promoted?


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[numnutz2009]

At numnutz2009

To make the case correctly.  don't fucking quote me  without this info below

{b]I always said wait till I get mine and test them.[/b]

So now that I tested them

decide if you want to order a 13.9 th to 14.1 th that uses about 1325 watts

on under clock  with the stock myrig psu.

it is not loud on efficient setting.

to set s-9 fans your way voids warranty.

and no s-9 does 0.095 on an apw3 or for that matter on a myrig psu.

To all those that order before I did tests that is on them.

What do I think it is worth

more then 1228  less then 2000

to be more clear

more the 1450
less then 1850

first thing is chill...i quoted ur exact post when i got to it. if u dont like that be sure to go back and edit ur posts to include ALL OF THE INFO IN A SINGLE COMMENT instead of 18 posts with a piece of info in each. i will say sorry for not piecing everything u say in numerous posts together for u. sorry that u feel that is something im responsible for and that its my duty to track everything u say. im sorry u didnt understand that even with better efficiency that it DOES NOT change the following:

1. not the 16th/s advertised. u must make the miner slower to get similar efficiency numbers.
2. paid more for a miner that will take longer to break even if they ever do break even since they r now running slower (applies to everyone that did not get miners for free of course  )
3. The speed ur showin is with asic boost still. the base speed is 20% or so lower than that.
4. locked to 2 pools
5. locked to 1 coin


also things to note:

1. changing the fan speed does NOT void ur warranty unless u lower it into thr damn ground trying to have a silent miner that runs balls hot....thats just dumb and anyone that does that deserves to be denied.
2. changing the software also doesnt void ur warranty.

why do the above 2 apply?? because bitmain provided the firmware to enable fan speed control and clock speed setting. I didnt use a custom version of anything i didnt mod anything i didnt use ne thing except what bitmain provided to me. i posted this in the s9 thread many times but no one was interested in what i had to say so dont repeat things udk ne thing about phil.

and finally dont get pissy when folks quote ur single posts. i didnt mod the post one bit. i didnt leave anything out of it or change ne of the wording to fit what my post was about. it was a word for word quote so let me explain why its an issue. ur considered a "trusted" member of this forum. u posted saying that its slightly better than the s9. those that know u then read that very post and say "oh well since phil says its ok its ok let me go buy some". that makes u a propagator of lies and misinformation. U can claim that its the duty of others to find each and every one of ur many posts and piece them all together but the same can be said about the person posting the info. if ur providin a review should that review not contain everything all in 1 place not scattered about haphazardly like it is?? dont post bits and pieces all over some of which go against ur previous claims and expect others to do the work for u. if ur views changed then go back and edit the post and remove that claim of them bein better than s9's but either way the above list kinda proves that ur wrong.

pretend that asicboost goes away. imagine a situation like that....idc if its the case or not just pretend for a sec. what would the hashrate of a single s9 be?? what would the hashrate of a T1 running at stock speed be?? the answer is the s9 would be 13-14th/s with asicboost allowed on the network or not and the t1 would struggle to hit 15.5th/s with asic boost and would be 0th/s without asic boost. so please explain how they r somewhat better than s9's??

u also didnt answer the part about y u said they were slightly better.....is it because u got free miners?? the whole point was to be impartial. implyin that there is a ray of hope with these machines isnt responsible and makes me question the comments i have made in the past supporting u. maybe if i got paid or got free hardware i would sway one way too but we dont have to worry about that now since i dont get free stuff lol.

[philipma1957]

Show me a s-9 Mining at .0945 watts a gh

You can’t no s-9 does that.

And once again to be clear it is better then an s-9.

But if you can show me a clear video of an s-9 doing

0.0945 or 0.0955 watts a gh I will apologize and retract my claim that it is better

[philipma1957]

What is the wattage draw using the Model:HSTNS-PR16 2450w PSU you promoted?

Is that the long hp ?  Or is that the delta?

I have not run the hp with the new firmware.

I will do two YouTube’s today with the 2400watt delta

And the 2450 watt hp


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[numnutz2009]

Show me a s-9 Mining at .0945 watts a gh

You can’t no s-9 does that.

And once again to be clear it is better then an s-9.

But if you can show me a clear video of an s-9 doing

0.0945 or 0.0955 watts a gh I will apologize and retract my claim that it is better

show me where a t1 does those kinda numbers. again asicboost isnt the base hashrate like i have said multiple times now. if the s9 enabled asicboost which many are sayin is able to be done with a firmware update (no experience one way or the other with asicboost but alotta people r sayin its doable) what then??

also i like many others have 110v power. I do have 2 230v plugs but i use those to connect 110v apc transformers. whats the hashrate for the t1 at those power specs again?? dont forget that the price was based on 16th/s to roi....u now want to shave off 2th/s+ from each machine but the price folks paid r still the same meaning the roi times r now longer if at all. by sayin the t1 is better ur just spreadin the lie that its acceptable when companies lie to customers, sell underperforming hardware, and its ok to make claims that have been proven to be false.

also bitmains specs r based on the s9 14th/s and their psu. to reach the numbers ur claimin r better u had to go drop 2-300+ more dollars on a platinum psu. hell y not remove the fans all together?? that will save u another 100w give or take....since these crazy examples r bein provided to try justifyin y the machine hits the posted specs.

i cant say this enough................take the hashrate and remove 20% from it then come tell me and everyone else how good these machines u were given for free r. it was a bad idea to support ur claim to be able to provide unbiased info. free stuff makes ne one change their original bashin views to a more supportive tone when it means u get ur pockets lined a little bit in return lol.

ur also welcome to send me a bitmain psu so i can try it on 200+v power to give u the numbers ur askin for but for now lets keeps the specs to what the company claimed they would be based on the hardware provided not these inflated unrealistic numbers for BRAND NEW HARDWARE. 2 year old hardware outperforms brand new less than a month old hardware. dont u think thats sad??

[numnutz2009]

show me where a t1 does those kinda numbers. again asicboost isnt the base hashrate like i have said multiple times now. if the s9 enabled asicboost which many are sayin is able to be done with a firmware update (no experience one way or the other with asicboost but alotta people r sayin its doable) what then??

Pretty sure this is where your delusion comes from.....

AB or not, base hashrate is 15-16T or whatever people are pulling.  You can't run without AB, so trying to come up with an equivalent number is meaningless.  Furthermore, if you think the S9 has the capability to do AB via a firmware upgrade, then you are misinformed, and do not understand #1: AB, #2: how bitcoin hashing on an ASIC works....

did halong tell customers that the miners people pair a premium for required asic boost?? as for s9's not supporting overt asicboost....bitmain says they support asicboost. as far as i know they havent limited it to overt or covert....so u sayin otherwise implies that uk about their hardware design more than the other folks that posted about it. can u explain or is that just a comment being made in passing?? lets say they support overt asicboost...what then?? would the s9 not have better posted numbers than the t1 like i keep having to repeat? would the s9 also have the flex to mine on more than 2 pools online?? wouldnt the s9  be able to mine more than 1 coin if the customer chose to do so?? explain how what i have said is wrong please. im open to other ideas here but i gave lists...u havent provided much of ne thing.

if this t1 miner relies on asic boost that means it cant have the flex every other miner out there so far has. how is that not seen as a pretty serious issue since no one was informed of this requirement before they purchased the miners??

[philipma1957]

show me where a t1 does those kinda numbers. again asicboost isnt the base hashrate like i have said multiple times now. if the s9 enabled asicboost which many are sayin is able to be done with a firmware update (no experience one way or the other with asicboost but alotta people r sayin its doable) what then??

Pretty sure this is where your delusion comes from.....

AB or not, base hashrate is 15-16T or whatever people are pulling.  You can't run without AB, so trying to come up with an equivalent number is meaningless.  Furthermore, if you think the S9 has the capability to do AB via a firmware upgrade, then you are misinformed, and do not understand #1: AB, #2: how bitcoin hashing on an ASIC works....

Don't bother  he is not rational.

Too bad as he has lots of points that are good.

but he wants to stick with the crazy one.

here is the simple fact the s-9 at 13.8 to 14.1 th speeds
does not beat the watts per gh of the t1 at 13.8 to 14.1 speeds.

The s-9 does win on purchase price.
It loses on power efficiency  when compared to the efficiency setting on the T1.

And the t1 has a deal with samsung

while it is new gear and will have growing pains

the dragon mint B52 destroys the antminer A3

4.2th to 900gh
1500 watts to  1000 watts

this is important because it is a newer chip and is far far far better then the bitmain chip.

which may mean  newer t1 or t1 +  can be improved by samsung.
quickly.   or not.

I will be post a youtube showing the delta 2400 watt psu with the t1.

about 1325 watts and 13900 gh or 0.0953 watts a gh

[numnutz2009]

Don't bother  he is not rational.

Too bad as he has lots of points that are good.

but he wants to stick with the crazy one.

[...]

a user "bip37" claims the asic and hardware for the s9 in general supports overt and covert asicboost it just needs pool lvl support and possibly firmware support to configure it properly since the s9 by default (on our end at least) has asicboost turned off. he also goes into detail about how to sort of turn it on without doing any custom this and that if u want to test it out.

here is a quote from the thread:

"

    Does this confirm covert ASICBOOST or overt ASICBOOST?

Overt mode is supported by the software in shipping Antminers. The chips can do covert mode with different software though.

    Please can you send a link to the code

It's all in here basically, look for VIL and multi_version. "

and he links to the bitmain github page. others also say it doesnt matter if its overt or covert...both can work but the s9 supports overt. m i missing something?? if this is true that means every comment insultin me for postin basic facts r a lie and shows that u guys dont know what your talking about. I also stated that idk one way or the other and left it open to be disputed but instead i get the "ya ya??? well ur a stupid head" kinda replies with no information supporting what they r sayin. doesnt exactly seem fair to me.


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[philipma1957]

Latest T1 video  


Your video will be live at: https://youtu.be/RgUN_1n_7Z8

when someone clearly shows an s-9 doing these numbers of efficiency.

I will retract my statement.

@ frodocooper

You have stated you don't like the t1 due to the asic boost license

You have edited this thread hundreds of times.

my posts have been chopped to pieces by you.

I am now being called a liar.  Yet numnutz2009 has zero proof that any s-9 can best my youtube videos showing 0.095 watts per gh

Seems to me a very strong fear of samsung/Innosilicon/Halong on your part and on the part of numnutz2009

once again I will retract my statement the T1 is a little better then the s-9 if someone shows clear video evidence that the s-9 can do

0.095 watts a gh in the 13800 to 14100 gh hashrate.

Until then the T1 is king of efficiency

[numnutz2009]

No announcement for AB was due to NDA's with BDPL stuff.  Overt and/or covert AB requires it to be implemented in hardware.  Putting circuitry that you may or may not use in an ASIC kinda defeats the purpose of an asic (ie stripped down processor to do one explicit task).  Anything else is wasted space.  You cant use AB efficiency claims numbers and just add it to what you think an asic should hash at.  Especially if you are talking about a new processor node size.  I have no more information than the rest of the internet.  I just know in R&D, pushing the technological envelope will always require some fine tuning to eek out the most performance gains.  In just a few weeks, ck has been working on firmware and has improved efficiency by a pretty good margin.  It takes miners in hands and a good sample size to get any product vetted.  This isnt an iphone or other mature industry product and thus I wouldn't expect the hardware to be fully flushed out before getting into hands.  would never get anything out before major diff changes or node changes happen. Since announcement network has what, almost doubled?

So your option in this area is......A)  Let mfg mine the shit out of the coin (6-9 months) to tweak and tweak before shipping, or B) start shipping miners when you are damn close and then let the community help stabilize the product.  

We are talking about 10% deviation here and I'd bet much of that is just difference in power quality from either power supply or mains as can be seen by testing all the different supplies..... if your profit of make or break is reliant on that 10%, then I think your model needs adjustment.  Better to take whats available and run today and profit rather than bitch and moan about a few points to the bottom line.

1. then they had 0 bizz sellin miners to customers. the limitations of these miners is a HUGE deal my dude. u may not think so but remember when folks thought how antminer s9's could only mine on antpool?? do u recall how freaked out everyone was by this?? it turned out to be false but that is what happened here with the t1 and because of it no one can mine ne thing but btc on 2 pools with these overpriced machines. u better hope nothin happens to asicboost otherwise these machines cant be used period. maybe ur fine with undisclosed limitations on hardware u paid a premium for but others r not.

2. we r talkin about a 100% deviation not 10%. they require btc and asicboost....nothin else will work. u cant even take a 20% loss of hashrate and go elsewhere with ur machine because like others have said....they will not work at all period non 0 zilch....nothingggggggggggg. that IS NOT what folks paid for. in the words of phil....prove otherwise and i will retract my statement.

3. the info given was based on their miner and their PSU. if u have to spend another $300+ and drop the hashrate down by 2th/s to hit the numbers that claimed is that not somethin u should care about?? u can claim a 10% difference but ur not factorin in the cost of the beast;y psu phil had to buy along with the decreased hashrate that comes from matchin the power specs they promised. or maybe ur alright with payin the premium and gettin less than what was promised. if so carry on my friend lol.

a user "bip37" claims the asic and hardware for the s9 in general supports overt and covert asicboost it just needs pool lvl support and possibly firmware support to configure it properly since the s9 by default (on our end at least) has asicboost turned off. he also goes into detail about how to sort of turn it on without doing any custom this and that if u want to test it out.

dude!!!!!  so your're all basing your information on a post by a user on a forum?  lmao.  bro, btctalk is not due diligence, very few posts, including ones from myself represent nothing other than most people opinion, and unless info is coming from an inside engineer that is dick deep in one of the ASIC companies, I wouldn't hold a candle to anything anyone says.  Holy shit, I had no idea I was trying to talk sense into some info gleamed from a posting lol.  

4. he posted information and a link to bitmains source code for their miners. this is what they posted....r u sayin bip37 isnt trusted or worth trusting?? r u sayin the information he posted isnt and hasnt been looked into by other members?? this info hasnt been proven wrong yet u claim its wrong?? i guess my next question is who r u?? 50 posts and joined a few months ago...what makes ur assessment viable?? have u tried verifying the claims?? what were ur findings?? why was no information provided when u replied to attempt to insult me??

if ur basin ur comments off of engineers or spokes poeple for the company y r u not talkin about the fact that halong withheld the asicboost limitations from customers?? u can claim nda but a NDA doesnt take blame away from ur company for false advertising. do u understand that lies r bad?? do u get that most basic of basic ideas??

also i should add many members of this forum who r not related to asic companies at all have posted guides and info that allow u to maximize the efficiency of multiple model miners including but not limited to the s7 and s5....just to name a couple. now since they arent engineers with bitmain ur comment implies that they r sellin snake oil and r hurting customers in the process. im pretty sure they wouldnt take kindly to folks spwein these kinds of comments that end up groupin them into whatever shade ur tryin to throw here. the moral here is if udk ne thing about what ur sayin or dont bother doin it urself dont comment tryin to piggy back on what another member says. phil can claim whatever he wants...hes an adult....he doesnt need u to jump in flyin off half cocked lookin silly. info starts somewhere. rarely does it ever leak the way u want it to. i guess its good that ur not known or trusted here....we may never be able to pass information to one another if u had ne say about it. afterall isnt that what this site is supposed to be for?? silly kid.

[numnutz2009]

Latest T1 video  


Your video will be live at: https://youtu.be/RgUN_1n_7Z8

when someone clearly shows an s-9 doing these numbers of efficiency.

I will retract my statement.

@ frodocooper

You have stated you don't like the t1 due to the asic boost license

You have edited this thread hundreds of times.

my posts have been chopped to pieces by you.

I am now being called a liar.  Yet numnutz2009 has zero proof that any s-9 can best my youtube videos showing 0.095 watts per gh

Seems to me a very strong fear of samsung/Innosilicon/Halong on your part and on the part of numnutz2009

once again I will retract my statement the T1 is a little better then the s-9 if someone shows clear video evidence that the s-9 can do

0.095 watts a gh in the 13800 to 14100 gh hashrate.

Until then the T1 is king of efficiency

lol fear?? dont be retarded phil. u know better than to say silly things like that. hell just days ago u were on the bash wagon....in fact u were the one drivin the damn things.....that is until u got free hardware. let me clarify a few things for u since i love my lists so very much:

1. i have received 0 free miners. i have posted negative stuff in bitmains thread over the years too. this thread is for the t1 so im posting information that goes against what ur tryin to tell others.
2. nothin im sayin is a lie.
3. un mentioned hardware and software limitations r flat out lies and r even worse when they hurt customers like halong did with the t1 release.
4. if halong released a miner in spec that didnt limit me to bitcoin on 2 pools with a forced asicboost (aka no flex what so ever) then i would be all over those miners in a heartbeat. If they changed this miner tomorrow and it had all the limitations removed and a legit price i would refuse to touch them simply because the first thing they did was lie. how can u support a company that does that?? wow...just wow.
5. he edited my posts as well...mods on here do that not. idk y but be glad nothin got deleted all together.
6. i wonder if bitmain would provide a firmware enablin asicboost. i was able to get fan speed control and full freq control from them without ne issues so what if they provide a firmware enablin the use of asicboost on the s9?? would u then change each and every comment that says they r better than the s9??

[numnutz2009]

TL:DR

Post count is meaningless.  who cares how many I have, how much merit I have, or how long I've been here.  People put too much weight on post count and tenure.  I'm just a reasonable person with a decent amount of knowledge that doesn't expect the possibility of perfection but rather work towards advancement.

In the end.....there is a better product available on the market than what was available before.  Why people bitch and moan about progression is beyond me, regardless of how we got there.  Whats the alternative?  And who did they hurt financially or physically?  People are getting miners that are pretty damn close to spec.  In the end and averaged over a decent time period, the BTC that hits your wallet has little to do with the pool you are on, and more about fees.  so the options they gave you today is a 0% pool or a 2% pool.  Again, a few points is not going to make or break an operation, and if so, you need a model adjustment.  Lets say you have a $100k per year profit mine.  are you saying that 2k is going to make or break you?  I'll happily wipe my ass with 20 x $100 bills if I got to sit on my ass and watch the fans spin.

so ur sayin that people shouldnt listen to other peoples postings online because who knows what is true yet ur more unknown than us all posting random information with no factual backing behind it and expect it to be heard and taken seriously?? seems weird dontcha think??

ur also tryin to speak for others. like i said before if ur willin to accept that u were lied to and cheated out of the hardware u ordered thats on u. u should also note that other pools have pps stuff too. the 2 pools available hold very little hashrate when compared to other pools on the network and they also payout based only on blocks found (aka no pps offered) and some users might prefer that option. the key word here is option. thats not somethin u get with a t1 buddy.

u said 2k wont make or break a miner....but a miner isnt there to throw money away. they dont invest in hardware that doesnt make them money otherwise whats the point? they didnt gtow to earnin x amount of dollars a year by thinkin the way u do and allowin thousands of dollars worth of loss to happen like u expect it to. no one just brushes that sort of thing off and says "mehh thats the norm" because no one has ever expected it to happen. can i go and take ur car or wallet and tell u that ur bitchin about me stealin ur stuff is unfounded because whats a wallet or a car in the grand scheme of life?? u can just eat the losses right?? no biggie lol.


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[philipma1957]

This is Samsung's first entry into mining ASIC chips not their 9th like Bitmain and they are already more efficient, just imagine them a free generations in, I would be worried if I was Bitmain.

yep  and as I said the B52 they built  is 2.5x better then bitmain's A3

My thoughts are the T1+ or T2 = beast


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[Shazam!!!]

Until then the T1 is king of efficiency

Until you set up your 841 at -1 or -2 .

[numnutz2009]

as long as u get free hardware u will promo ne company lol.

lets see if customers are stupid enough to pay a company that lied to them already lol.

[Sandal_Hat]

It is now up to pricing to make sense as

S9 prices:
1155 USD for 13TH
1288 USD for 14TH

Avalon 841 prices:
1625 USD for 13TH


Time to see T1 prices. Once the price war continues, it may go lower for all miners though. Avalon and S9 were priced higher before the war started.

[philipma1957]

Until then the T1 is king of efficiency

Until you set up your 841 at -1 or -2 .

Buysolar just called me from China 3 hours ago.

we will  see if the 841 at low eff is better then the T1

I actually think  this year there will be a big shift in the game.

Samsung = $$$


Market cap is over 300 billion