HashFast announces specs for new ASIC: 400GH/s

[beavertank]

I might reach out to a few others in the future. Note that I'm not out to sue HF, merely to get a full refund in BTC as I am a day 1 customer covered by the original ToS. If I find an attorney that specializes in consumer litigation that is willing to take this case the most likely way forward is that they will draft a Letter of Demand. That would put the ball back in HashFast's court.

You don't need a consumer protection lawyer, you just need a contract lawyer. It's a pretty simple issue... no party to a contract can change the terms unilaterally like they're trying to do.

[dhenson]

If anyone finds a contract lawyer that understands bitcoin, I would be willing to join.

2 x Batch 1 BJ's = 89.xx btc

[iCEBREAKER]

Look how many engineers talk in that video guys. I can count... Well, none.

Uhh your wrong As
Amy Woodard Is Lead Engineer

HashFast was founded by two engineers (Simon and Eduardo) with a history of success in tech startups.

https://hashfast.com/genesis/

This isn't their first rodeo.  They have no reason to be running a "scam" and every reason to ensure HashFast returns value to its customers.

All ASICs companies run into unexpected delays; expecting perfection is completely unreasonable.

Cedevaid risked more than he can afford to lose (probably money he stole borrowed from his mom's purse).

That's why he's acting so whiny and unreasonable.

Simon has a pedigree from no less than PARC (via Cambridge).  Cedavid doesn't even know what that means!   

Simon earned his Master's degree from the University of Cambridge in the U.K. He has authored 6 patents. In addition to serving as the co-technical editor for the IEEE 802.11 standard, Simon also initiated the IEEE's 802.11k and 802.11z amendments.

http://www.parc.com/about/people/2220/simon-barber.html

Cedivad is not capable of recognizing, much less counting, engineers even when there are three of them glowing on a screen right in his stupid face.   

[ImI]

Look how many engineers talk in that video guys. I can count... Well, none.

Uhh your wrong As
Amy Woodard Is Lead Engineer

HashFast was founded by two engineers (Simon and Eduardo) with a history of success in tech startups.

https://hashfast.com/genesis/

This isn't their first rodeo.  They have no reason to be running a "scam" and every reason to ensure HashFast returns value to its customers.

All ASICs companies run into unexpected delays; expecting perfection is completely unreasonable.

Cedevaid risked more than he can afford to lose (probably money he stole borrowed from his mom's purse).

That's why he's acting so whiny and unreasonable.

Simon has a pedigree from no less than PARC (via Cambridge).  Cedavid doesn't even know what that means!   

Simon earned his Master's degree from the University of Cambridge in the U.K. He has authored 6 patents. In addition to serving as the co-technical editor for the IEEE 802.11 standard, Simon also initiated the IEEE's 802.11k and 802.11z amendments.

http://www.parc.com/about/people/2220/simon-barber.html

Cedivad is not capable of recognizing, much less counting, engineers even when there are three of them glowing on a screen right in his stupid face.   

nevertheless one question remains. where is the substrate that should have arrived at monday?

[gjpminingco]

nevertheless one question remains. where is the substrate that should have arrived at monday?

I will Find this out Tomorrow ( Friday )

I will call my Contact at HF and see what they have to say about it

[Kouye]

Cedivad is not capable of recognizing, much less counting, engineers even when there are three of them glowing on a screen right in his stupid face.   

cedivad : not capable of recognizing, much less counting, engineers even when there are three of them glowing on a screen right in his stupid face.

vs

iCEBREAKER : has a broken watch still showing 2013, august

Who will emerge victorious?

[gjpminingco]

Cedivad is not capable of recognizing, much less counting, engineers even when there are three of them glowing on a screen right in his stupid face.   

cedivad : not capable of recognizing, much less counting, engineers even when there are three of them glowing on a screen right in his stupid face.

vs

iCEBREAKER : has a broken watch still showing 2013, august

Who will emerge victorious?

I put my Money on Icebreaker

[Hoofprint]

Cedivad is not capable of recognizing, much less counting, engineers even when there are three of them glowing on a screen right in his stupid face.   

cedivad : not capable of recognizing, much less counting, engineers even when there are three of them glowing on a screen right in his stupid face.

vs

iCEBREAKER : has a broken watch still showing 2013, august

Who will emerge victorious?

I put my Money on Icebreaker

im going to go with cedivad, icebreaker has been put on almost everyone's ignore list

[iCEBREAKER]

I put my Money on Icebreaker

im going to go with cedivad, icebreaker has been put on almost everyone's ignore list

Your logical fallacy is: argumentum ad populum.

https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/bandwagon

http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/appeal-to-popularity.html

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Argumentum_ad_populum

http://www.fallacyfiles.org/bandwagn.html

ALWAYS BET ON iCE...

[cedivad]

For the sake of completeness of this troll attempt, let's quote my original post that caused the last half a page of nothing, of wanted and successful nothing in this thread.

Look how many engineers talk in that video guys. I can count... Well, none.
On the other side, the cointerra marketing video... Well, was full of guys that weren't CEO or in marketing.

I keep thinking what i wrote.

That video is pure marketing bs. It's not even HF marketing, it's bitcoin marketing. It sounds like hey, buy a miner, you will be rich; not because of the product we are offering, but because of bitcoin that is gonna grow another 10 thousand times (btw, really? 1/100 of the world's GDP is only another 10k times growth? We are getting closer to the roof.).

On the other side, the cointerra video was on another planet. It wasn't focused on how the senate hearing was a "lovefest". There where not baby girls in there to lead to those positive feelings that we all felt when we saw them.

I keep thinking what i wrote, i've not seen a company in that video, i've seen a marketing department at work. If only you had putted that budget for the video into making some prototypes of the PCB for october, you would have your customers half as hungry. But you didn't expected that, did you?

Ice, fell free to go on with your failed personal attacks on me saying that i can't count, you are welcome and can already read your post before you even started to write it. You are so banal in your techniques. You really aren't worth what you are paid.

[gjpminingco]

Hmmmm

Bet on Ice or Flesh Hmmmmmm

I will bed on ice since Ice destroys human flesh ( cuts, burns, tears Plus many many others ) so i always bet on Ice

[gjpminingco]

For the sake of completeness of this troll attempt, let's quote my original post that caused the last half a page of nothing, of wanted and successful nothing in this thread.

Look how many engineers talk in that video guys. I can count... Well, none.
On the other side, the cointerra marketing video... Well, was full of guys that weren't CEO or in marketing.

I keep thinking what i wrote.

That video is pure marketing bs. It's not even HF marketing, it's bitcoin marketing. It sounds like hey, buy a miner, you will be rich; not because of the product we are offering, but because of bitcoin that is gonna grow another 10 thousand times (really?).

On the other side, the cointerra video was on another planet. It wasn't focused on how the senate hearing was a "lovefest". There where not baby girls in there to lead to those positive feelings that we all felt when we saw them.

I keep thinking what i wrote, i've not seen a company in that video, i've seen a marketing department at work.

Ice, fell free to go on with your failed personal attacks on me saying that i can't count, you are welcome and can already read your post before you even started to write it. You are so banal in your techniques. You really aren't worth what you are paid.

Well we are just going off of what you wrote........ You said you saw no engineers in the vid well you were WRONG

Just admit that you were wrong and maybe get some of your Street cred back since you made your self look like you couldn't count

[cedivad]

Do you want me to say that barber and emy are supposedly engineers and that they where in that video, so i'm "WRONG"? Ok, you got that. You are right.
I shouldn't have used any kind of irony when dealing with what HF is doing in this thread, i will keep that in mind next time.

Thanks.

Oh, and i forgot, i can't count.

[VolanicEruptor]

HEY U GUYZ, ACTIVEMINING IS BEING SUPER SECRETIVE SO COMPANIES LIKE U DONT LERN ANYTHING FROM OUR OPERASHUNS.  KEN MIGHT HAVE 100TH/S RUNNING RIGHT NOW BUT DOESNT WWANT U TO FIND OUT CAUSE IT MIGHT GIVE U AN EDGE.  FUCK WE R AWESUM.  BTW CAN ANYONE LEND ME 2 DOLLARZ?

[Witness]

Ice breaker you need to get out more. Stop trolling around and do something,  like help hashfast come up with a better video. As far as I'm concerned batch3 is hashfast 's batch which they bought with our  btc. They made that video to suck more people in.
So I'm assuming batch3 is batch1 and they are going to Mine with it if they already haven't.

[RoadStress]

HEY U GUYZ, ACTIVEMINING IS BEING SUPER SECRETIVE SO COMPANIES LIKE U DONT LERN ANYTHING FROM OUR OPERASHUNS.  KEN MIGHT HAVE 100TH/S RUNNING RIGHT NOW BUT DOESNT WWANT U TO FIND OUT CAUSE IT MIGHT GIVE U AN EDGE.  FUCK WE R AWESUM.  BTW CAN ANYONE LEND ME 2 DOLLARZ?

Everything about NDAken makes me laugh.

[User705]

...
As for the refund in BTC/USD, I wonder if there's a precedent for someone paying for services in something like gold, the market changing, and then being paid back in not gold and that being unacceptable. That would be interesting if someone could find a helpful case of something like that.
...

1930s monetary gold was confiscated and gold delivery contracts that were specifically designed as a hedge were invalidated.  If anyone wins anything from HF you will only get dollars not BTC and that's even if they kept the BTC since legal fiat is the only option when it comes to damages.

[dropt]

[...]  If anyone wins anything from HF you will only get dollars not BTC and that's even if they kept the BTC since legal fiat is the only option when it comes to damages.

http://blogs.wsj.com/moneybeat/2013/11/07/judge-orders-coinlab-to-pay-up-in-bitcoin/

[beavertank]

...
As for the refund in BTC/USD, I wonder if there's a precedent for someone paying for services in something like gold, the market changing, and then being paid back in not gold and that being unacceptable. That would be interesting if someone could find a helpful case of something like that.
...

1930s monetary gold was confiscated and gold delivery contracts that were specifically designed as a hedge were invalidated.  If anyone wins anything from HF you will only get dollars not BTC and that's even if they kept the BTC since legal fiat is the only option when it comes to damages.

...which has nothing to do with whether or not a refund could be ordered in BTC, or the current fiat equivalent to the quantity of originally paid BTC. Gold in the '30s was the subject of legislation which BTC is not, and what happened with it then is not useful for determining what would happen with BTC now.

[opentoe]

i just picked up a Neptune, lets see if its delivered before hash fast.... lol

You mean you just ordered a Neptune. Huge difference. A KNC Neptune miner still has yet to be even be designed or anything. KNC just wanted to be first to post a new hardware so all the addicts would jump the gun and drop 10k on a rig that no one will see for 6 months. I only wish you the best of luck, but I think with this Neptune it is more of a huge marketing decision then anything right now. Hey, maybe in 4 months you'll get some photoshop images of what it could possibly look like, unless they are sticking with that plain aluminum box, which is the worst thing in the world for air flow. Hasn't anyone figured out that a miner doesn't have to be square!!!??? Worst for internal cooling.