[1050 TH] BitMinter.com [1% PPLNS,Pays TxFees +MergedMining,Stratum,GBT,vardiff]

[ZodiacDragon84]

Gheeeeee.

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[DeathAndTaxes]

Awesome server migration and I am back.  BTW we are north of 130 now.  WOOT!

[btc_artist]

Im not even sure what scoffing means, but I scoff at it:

to scoff == to ridicule, to make fun of, to mock

"nothing to be scoffed at" == it's pretty good

[DeathAndTaxes]

Don't look now but we just hit 150! 
I guess "bronan" was just waiting for the new server.

Stupid hot febuary is killing my hashing rate.  Yeah I didn't think to turn the AC on before I left for work because it is FEBUARY!

cgminer's auto-gpu keeping the cards "cool" but hashing power going down, down, down.

[ZodiacDragon84]

where are you at that its hot in Feb DT?

[Turbor]

Hmmm the stale rate for the pools last shift was more than 2%  ?

[DeathAndTaxes]

where are you at that its hot in Feb DT?

Virginia.  Usaully it is not hot but this winter has been really mild for the most part.  Today it is a high of 71.

4 rigs @ 870W = 3.5KW.  I am not sure what the air temp in my garage is but it must be high because every couple minutes cgminer drops the clocks on a GPU trying to keep them under thermal limit.  Man I wish I had IP access to my garage door opener.  Could open it wait 30 seconds, and close it. Should drop temps 5-10.

[ZodiacDragon84]

Could just install a remote opener. We have been having crazy weather in Nebraska too. Record Highs all week

[btc_artist]

Man I wish I had IP access to my garage door opener.  Could open it wait 30 seconds, and close it. Should drop temps 5-10.

The hardware exists for it.... http://www.komar.org/cgi-bin/christmas_webcam

[rjk]

Man I wish I had IP access to my garage door opener.  Could open it wait 30 seconds, and close it. Should drop temps 5-10.

The hardware exists for it.... http://www.komar.org/cgi-bin/christmas_webcam

Holy jesus that site is ugly. Looks like its been run through the Geo-cities-izer machine a few times too many.

[btc_artist]

Man I wish I had IP access to my garage door opener.  Could open it wait 30 seconds, and close it. Should drop temps 5-10.

The hardware exists for it.... http://www.komar.org/cgi-bin/christmas_webcam

Holy jesus that site is ugly. Looks like its been run through the Geo-cities-izer machine a few times too many.

The dude does that on purpose.   :p

The point was D&T could use the X10 protocol to control the garage door. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X10_%28industry_standard%29

[P4man]

The point was D&T could use the X10 protocol to control the garage door. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X10_%28industry_standard%29

I think thats far more useful and practical than a thermostat on his AC

[jake262144]

Uhhh... why are we at >1% stales?
Who invited that CPU-mining botnet in?

[DeathAndTaxes]

Uhhh... why are we at >1% stales?
Who invited that CPU-mining botnet in?

Got I hate them.  My hypothesis is that the efficiency (and thus # of getworks per share) for some accounts is very low, significantly lower than entire rest of pool.  Which means GH per GH they put a larger load on the server.  20 GH @ 10% efficiency is like another 200GH load on the server (in terms of getwork generation).

[Turbor]

  Doc should get rid of them !

[jake262144]

It's obvious that CPU miners require a whole damned lot of getworks to mercifully complete one before it's gone stale.
I just wish to see them shot. Either you are able to achieve reasonable efficiency or the pools aren't interested in talking to you.
My guess is "reasonable" could be as low as 10% to allow for really slow GPUs.

OTOH, it's not that easy for one pool to fight against botnets - the owners retaliated to previous attempts with DDoS attacks which they can freely perform at will.
We'd need a coalition of major pools setting a deadline and removing CPU-mining support "for the sake of server loads", without even explicitly mentioning botnets.
Remember that cyber-thugs are still nothing more than thugs when push comes to shove.

[WhitePhantom]

We'd need a coalition of major pools setting a deadline and removing CPU-mining support "for the sake of server loads"

That sounds like a great idea to me.  Does anybody here have authoritative contacts at other pools that we could ask to hop on board with phasing out CPU mining?

WP

[DeathAndTaxes]

It's obvious that CPU miners require a whole damned lot of getworks to mercifully complete one before it's gone stale.
I just wish to see them shot. Either you are able to achieve reasonable efficiency or the pools aren't interested in talking to you.
My guess is "reasonable" could be as low as 10% to allow for really slow GPUs.

OTOH, it's not that easy for one pool to fight against botnets - the owners retaliated to previous attempts with DDoS attacks which they can freely perform at will.
We'd need a coalition of major pools setting a deadline and removing CPU-mining support "for the sake of server loads", without even explicitly mentioning botnets.
Remember that cyber-thugs are still nothing more than thugs when push comes to shove.

Even the slowest GPU should be much faster.

Average time between LP is ~300 seconds.  Lets me conservative and say 200 seconds.  If you can complete 4 billion hashes in 200 seconds you will on average have 1 share per LP.  Now some LP may be shorter but an equal number will be longer.  You are look at lower bound of 50% efficiency (2 getworks per share) in the long run..  4 billion  / 200 = 20 MH/s.  A 6750 is what 130 MH/s.  

Are there any GPU which are economical that get less than say 100 MH/s?  40 MH/s?

On edit: looks like there are some options between 40 MH/s & 100 MH/s.  However even 40 MH/s should be able to stay above 50 efficiency.  If some worker account is <50% efficiency over a large period of time it likely a botnet.  The less efficiency an account is the more load it puts (in terms of getworks) compared to a "normal" account with similar hashrate.

[rjk]

We'd need a coalition of major pools setting a deadline and removing CPU-mining support "for the sake of server loads"

That sounds like a great idea to me.  Does anybody here have authoritative contacts at other pools that we could ask to hop on board with phasing out CPU mining?

WP

You can't just remove the capability, although you could ban users. The CPU miners do the same work that the GPU miners do, just slower.

[DeathAndTaxes]

We'd need a coalition of major pools setting a deadline and removing CPU-mining support "for the sake of server loads"

That sounds like a great idea to me.  Does anybody here have authoritative contacts at other pools that we could ask to hop on board with phasing out CPU mining?

WP

You can't just remove the capability, although you could ban users. The CPU miners do the same work that the GPU miners do, just slower.

Without a proxy it isn't possible for CPU miners to avoid a low efficiency.  You can simply ban (with full payment) users who fail to meet a minimum efficiency (shares / getworks). 

Now botnets CAN use a proxy to combine multiple CPU to have higher or even perfect efficiency.  From the pool's point of view this "virtual" miner is a single very fast miner with high efficiency.  Of course if they did that they wouldn't be slamming the servers so it is win-win.