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March 05, 2018, 07:40:35 AM
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I have a situation on this, because me and my brother are part of this forum, what if I help him or he helps me to rank up by meritting one of my good post?

Is this a violation?
Are we prawn to be banned?

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March 05, 2018, 07:51:48 AM
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I was skeptical about this merit business, but then got given 10 so think I'm OK with the idea now  Wink

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March 05, 2018, 08:00:38 AM
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I have a situation on this, because me and my brother are part of this forum, what if I help him or he helps me to rank up by meritting one of my good post?

Is this a violation?
Are we prawn to be banned?

No, this merit was introduced so that members can give merits to their alt accounts and friends so that they can all rank up easily. Smiley What type of questions some members ask here really. Just go through your question 10 times and you will get the answer.

I was skeptical about this merit business, but then got given 10 so think I'm OK with the idea now  Wink

Here is the post you got those 10 merits for:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2683530.msg31588679#msg31588679

You made me a good laugh. I am sure that you will soon find your account listed in merit abusers along with the person who gave you those merits. Enjoy some read paint on your profile then.
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March 05, 2018, 08:07:12 AM
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Here is the post you got those 10 merits for:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2683530.msg31588679#msg31588679

You made me a good laugh. I am sure that you will soon find your account listed in merit abusers along with the person who gave you those merits. Enjoy some read paint on your profile then.
Wouldn't it be abusing of the trust system, if you just give everyone negative trust who receives a significant amount of Merit from another user for a non-quality post? So if you want to give someone negative trust (and you don't care about your own) you just have to give him some Merit for a shitpost and he will be flagged even if he doesn't even know you and he had not the intention to abuse the merit system? Huh

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March 05, 2018, 08:40:34 AM
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Here is the post you got those 10 merits for:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2683530.msg31588679#msg31588679

You made me a good laugh. I am sure that you will soon find your account listed in merit abusers along with the person who gave you those merits. Enjoy some read paint on your profile then.
Wouldn't it be abusing of the trust system, if you just give everyone negative trust who receives a significant amount of Merit from another user for a non-quality post? So if you want to give someone negative trust (and you don't care about your own) you just have to give him some Merit for a shitpost and he will be flagged even if he doesn't even know you and he had not the intention to abuse the merit system? Huh

Here's an idea. Let's have all those policing this forum create several sockpuppets for the sole purpose of doling out negative [.red.] trust. That way Google will index the perpetrators. Oh wait ... that's the one section on this forum which Google doesn't index. What the fuck was I thinking?

Here's another idea. Let's have the mods police this forum in weeding out posts that don't belong. Oh wait again ... they're now too busy reviewing posts in seeing if users deserve being candidates as an sM source.

Meanwhile, this: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3068650.0.

Ah, fuck it! Let's just built a new forum from scratch. Who's with me on this one?

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March 05, 2018, 12:03:54 PM
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In addition to activity, everyone now has a merit score, and you need both a certain activity level and a certain merit score in order to reach higher member ranks. The required scores are:

RankRequired activityRequired merit
Brand new00
Newbie10
Jr Member300
Member6010
Full Member120100
Sr. Member240250
Hero Member480500
LegendaryRandom in the range 775-10301000

You get merit points when someone sends you some for one of your posts. Additionally, when someone sends you merit points, half of those points can be sent by you to other people.

Certain users are designated as "merit sources". They can create new merit out of nothing, up to a limited number per month (which differs per source). I will not be posting a definitive list of merit sources (so that people don't bug them too much), though you'll soon figure out who they are if you pay attention.

There is currently no such thing as a "demerit". I'm hoping that the positive merits alone will be fine. I could add demerits pretty easily later on if necessary, though.

I'm hoping that this system will increase post quality by:
 - Forcing people to post high-quality stuff in order to rank up. If you just post garbage, you will never get even 1 merit point, and you will therefore never be able to put links in your signature, etc.
 - Highlighting good posts with the "Merited by" line.

While we will not be directly moderating this, I encourage people to give merit to posts that are objectively high-quality, not just posts that you agree with.

Do not beg for merit excessively.

Useful infographics

Forum users have helpfully created some infographics to explain the merit system:
paxmao's infographic
ibminer's infographic
8Habits's infographic
JetSet11's infographic
zentdex's infographic
alia_armelle's infographic

If you want to be a merit source:

 1. Be a somewhat established member.
 2. Collect TEN posts written in the last couple of months by other people that have not received nearly enough merit for how good they are, and post quotes for them all in a new Meta thread. The point of this is to demonstrate your ability to give out merit usefully.
 3. We will take a look at your history and maybe make you a source.

I am especially eager to have merit sources in sub-communities such as the local sections.

Trivia:

For current members, your initial merit score is equal to the minimum required to your rank. Of that, a certain amount (less than the usual half) is spendable. The spendable amount was calculated based on your current rank and the number of activity points you earned in the last year. A Legendary member who hasn't posted in the last year would still be Legendary, but would not have any spendable merit.

If someone sends you 1 merit, the 0.5 sMerit is not wasted; it is just not shown until you get another merit point.

There are stats here, and you can find someone's merit summary by clicking the "merit" link on their profile.
I was ready to move up to the member, I wonder why I'm still Jr.member when I got enough activitiy points, now I knew why. due to this and have to wait until I receive merit points....Garsh
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March 05, 2018, 12:19:14 PM
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Wouldn't it be abusing of the trust system, if you just give everyone negative trust who receives a significant amount of Merit from another user for a non-quality post? So if you want to give someone negative trust (and you don't care about your own) you just have to give him some Merit for a shitpost and he will be flagged even if he doesn't even know you and he had not the intention to abuse the merit system? Huh

Why will you do this from you main account ? It will result in your main account also getting negative trust and will make the account useless. In case, any one tries to play little smarter by creating a new account for this, he will have to wait for months before getting those merit points in bulk. Smiley

Also, if you feel that something like this has happened to you by mistake or other other account is trying to get you some negative trust, you can always appeal the case. A lot of things will be considered before giving that negative trust.

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March 05, 2018, 04:30:12 PM
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Wait a sec... so you can get a merit on your replies too? Wow... i really thought merit is given only to the "Posts" which you create... I mean new post or topics which are created by me.

That's new for me and it makes it even harder. Let say if I posted something in a thread at Page 3 and after some replies thread reached to 10 pages. So who's gonna read my "valuable" comment on page 3 ever? Except for those maximum 19 users who posted immediately after me and then new page started.

So only chance for getting a merit is if your comment is on the First Page or Last Page? Or creator of the Post who's actually following the post mostly he is newbie or Jr. Member have nothing to give and nothing to get in the end.



This shows that you are not a good observer. If you just see replies in this particular thread only, you will see that  a number of replies got merits. If there was some rule that only the person opening the thread will get merits, we would have seen a flood of threads here. Ans also then why will anyone leave a reply here as it is not going to give any merit.

Regarding your valuable comment on page 3, not being seen, I guess it is good for the forum. In most of the cases those comments are no needed as the OP has already got his answer in initial replies.
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March 05, 2018, 10:30:24 PM
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Thank you for adding my infographic as one of the infographic resources theymos, truly appreciated it Smiley
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March 06, 2018, 05:03:17 AM
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I was skeptical about this merit business, but then got given 10 so think I'm OK with the idea now  Wink

I wouldn't be bragging about receiving 10 merits for your one liner post.  It looks like DeepOnion has a merit swapping program going on.  Is this a new requirement to be accepted into the airdrop?
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March 06, 2018, 07:56:03 AM
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Hi,

does a Junior member have any chance to become merit sourcer? Of course, if he/she proves the skills for it
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March 06, 2018, 08:17:36 AM
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Hi,

does a Junior member have any chance to become merit sourcer? Of course, if he/she proves the skills for it

It is difficult to determine if you have any scintilla of seriousness in such a question.

Of course, theymos has discretion to determine the appointment of merit sources based on whatever criteria he believes is helpful to him, but he did provide a bit of guideline in the OP, and the most relevant sentence to your situation seems to be the interpretation of "somewhat established member." 

Does anything else need to be said?

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March 06, 2018, 09:13:16 AM
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Hi,

does a Junior member have any chance to become merit sourcer? Of course, if he/she proves the skills for it

No and double no for you as you cannot communicate in English so how can you judge how eloquent a poster is?

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March 06, 2018, 11:30:42 AM
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I was skeptical about this merit business, but then got given 10 so think I'm OK with the idea now  Wink

I wouldn't be bragging about receiving 10 merits for your one liner post.  It looks like DeepOnion has a merit swapping program going on.  Is this a new requirement to be accepted into the airdrop?

Wait, you mean this post https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2683530.msg31588679#msg31588679 isn't worth at least 10 merit points?!? I have no hope of ever climbing higher in rank, then!!!  Grin
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March 06, 2018, 11:38:34 AM
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I was skeptical about this merit business, but then got given 10 so think I'm OK with the idea now  Wink

I wouldn't be bragging about receiving 10 merits for your one liner post.  It looks like DeepOnion has a merit swapping program going on.  Is this a new requirement to be accepted into the airdrop?

Wait, you mean this post https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2683530.msg31588679#msg31588679 isn't worth at least 10 merit points?!? I have no hope of ever climbing higher in rank, then!!!  Grin

I seriously see such posts all around and feel like I won't be able to climb at all. Then I just wonder what posts will earn me some merits Sad

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March 06, 2018, 11:46:05 AM
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Hi,

does a Junior member have any chance to become merit sourcer? Of course, if he/she proves the skills for it

No you cannot become a merit source because:

1) You do not have the time to even read the official thread properly before commenting. I mean it is clearly mentioned that you need to be  "somewhat established" member here to be considered as the merit source. If you do not care about reading the official posts, why will you read the posts of other members to give them merits.

2) Another problem is that you have posted 69 posts here and have not got a single merit so far. This means that you are not able to make a quality post yourself. So how will you judge other members making such posts ? 
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March 06, 2018, 12:53:16 PM
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Hi,

does a Junior member have any chance to become merit sourcer? Of course, if he/she proves the skills for it

It is difficult to determine if you have any scintilla of seriousness in such a question.

Of course, theymos has discretion to determine the appointment of merit sources based on whatever criteria he believes is helpful to him, but he did provide a bit of guideline in the OP, and the most relevant sentence to your situation seems to be the interpretation of "somewhat established member." 

Does anything else need to be said?

My question was serious
I couldn't interpret what 'somewhat established member' means
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March 06, 2018, 12:55:12 PM
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Hi,

does a Junior member have any chance to become merit sourcer? Of course, if he/she proves the skills for it

No and double no for you as you cannot communicate in English so how can you judge how eloquent a poster is?

thanks for pointing that out, will pay more attention

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March 06, 2018, 01:05:01 PM
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Hi,

does a Junior member have any chance to become merit sourcer? Of course, if he/she proves the skills for it

No you cannot become a merit source because:

1) You do not have the time to even read the official thread properly before commenting. I mean it is clearly mentioned that you need to be  "somewhat established" member here to be considered as the merit source. If you do not care about reading the official posts, why will you read the posts of other members to give them merits.

2) Another problem is that you have posted 69 posts here and have not got a single merit so far. This means that you are not able to make a quality post yourself. So how will you judge other members making such posts ? 

I got already sufficient answears from well established members, please take the time to read above before posting more.
All replies helped me, no more needed, use your energy at another part of the forum. Thx
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March 06, 2018, 01:14:03 PM
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Hi,

does a Junior member have any chance to become merit sourcer? Of course, if he/she proves the skills for it

It is difficult to determine if you have any scintilla of seriousness in such a question.

Of course, theymos has discretion to determine the appointment of merit sources based on whatever criteria he believes is helpful to him, but he did provide a bit of guideline in the OP, and the most relevant sentence to your situation seems to be the interpretation of "somewhat established member."  

Does anything else need to be said?

My question was serious
I couldn't interpret what 'somewhat established member' means

Ok.  I will admit that I provided a bit of a facetious answer to your inquiring post because I had thought that there would be a bit of common sense in theymos's description of "somewhat established member"..

Of course, the description is not precise, and therefore, it leaves theymos with a decent amount of discretion to determine when he were to come to the belief that a member is sufficiently "established" to meet his expectations.

Just think about the membership situation for a moment.  There are nearly 2 million accounts registered with the forum, and many accounts have been active for several years, but even if only 10% of the accounts are active, that still makes 200k active members from which theymos can choose sources, and there are a lot of members with a lot of experiences and participation in different sections on the forum.

So, a threshold question might be how the hell is theymos going to get to know you or to trust your judgement in any kind of way as a jr member, it is going to be through your posts and also with the passage of some time.  

So, likely several hundred posts through a year would be a kind of minimum threshold, and since this new merit system has been established, probably theymos would want you to have received a decent number of merits, too... maybe nearly 100 as a minimum in order to rise to the level of "established".. so to me it had seemed like a bit of a silly question to be asking whether a Jr member would be considered by theymos to be "somewhat established" or to otherwise meet criteria to be designated as a merit source.  

Hi,

does a Junior member have any chance to become merit sourcer? Of course, if he/she proves the skills for it

No you cannot become a merit source because:

1) You do not have the time to even read the official thread properly before commenting. I mean it is clearly mentioned that you need to be  "somewhat established" member here to be considered as the merit source. If you do not care about reading the official posts, why will you read the posts of other members to give them merits.

2) Another problem is that you have posted 69 posts here and have not got a single merit so far. This means that you are not able to make a quality post yourself. So how will you judge other members making such posts ? 

I got already sufficient answears from well established members, please take the time to read above before posting more.
All replies helped me, no more needed, use your energy at another part of the forum. Thx

Your response here, sunriseme, also, might be another example why you might not be designated as a merit source at any time in the near future.  Sure, you might feel good and funny to tell off another member, such as solovev, yet in the end, your response does not reflect very well your ability to deal with adversity and criticism.  You can work on those kinds of skills and attempt to make better posts that are not so seemingly gratuitously snarky towards other members.  Sometimes, there is a role for snarky, but usually it is best to play that card somewhat sparingly for better effect and also so it does not reflect negatively on you.

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