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March 11, 2018, 06:24:18 PM
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I personally don't have the time to live on Bitcointalk.org. I work 50+ hours a week and login to bitcointalk.org about twice a day to sale misc goods. Now is this fair to me, or others like me, that we can't rank up because of this? Again, opinions are like assholes, everyone has one. And I'm fairly sure you know mine. Point is, if Theymos can sell whitelist to be able to post more on Bitcointalk, then selling Merit Rank-ups should be no different.

Most of the people who are not here for signature campaigns need not bother about merits at all. The members who are not able to get merits and are thus not able to participate in bounties are the ones who are calling merit system a failure. Since, you primary purpose is to sell accounts here, why do you want a higher rank. You have already got sufficient relaxation in PMs and posting frequency as per your current rank. If you are providing good services or products and clients are happy, they will give positive trust to you and it will make your profile look more credible even without merits.
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March 11, 2018, 06:27:10 PM
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Every people who only cares about rank probably joined the forum just to make money, because all they care the most is ranking up, that is the main and basic reason why they didnt get the merit normally, because they feel this system is too heavy thus render them too lazy to study and increase their quality.

Guess what? If you are newbie, you only need to score 1 merit daily to rank up normally. It is hard but not an impossible task in my opinion.


You must be in the running for petty president eh as you so eloquently hypo-preached huh? But like assholes, everyone has one. I'll take your "Petty" neg and smile "Hippocrite"


And for the numbers below your name, all that does is show how much free time you have. #getajob or #Graduate

Don't know you to know which. But I'm sure you'll say whichever you feel like makes you matter in this world.


Then why dont you follow his step and give more time to get those merits?

All you do is whining, only gives a little of your time and you want to get a lot of merits? Dont be a hypocrite. If you do the hard work you will get the results. It applies in every world, real world or internet world.

I personally don't have the time to live on Bitcointalk.org. I work 50+ hours a week and login to bitcointalk.org about twice a day to sale misc goods. Now is this fair to me, or others like me, that we can't rank up because of this? Again, opinions are like assholes, everyone has one. And I'm fairly sure you know mine. Point is, if Theymos can sell whitelist to be able to post more on Bitcointalk, then selling Merit Rank-ups should be no different.

You do not receive merit just because you happen to (hypothetically) be a good person (or a hard worker) outside of  the forum.  You get merit for your forum contributions and the perception of others regarding your posts, and you get negative perceptions, as you already experienced, when you attempt some nonsensical contrary principles to the merit system, and selling of merits is contrary to the whole concept of merit... and if you were a bit more insightful, you might have explored such topic in a more exploratory way, rather than attempting to impose and advocate for something that you either purposefully or conceptually don't seem to want to attempt to understand (except through attempting to apply your faulty analogies, which have already been pointed out to you through negative trust - thanks to nullius willing to spend some time in assessing the substance of your previous posts).

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March 11, 2018, 06:28:21 PM
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Every people who only cares about rank probably joined the forum just to make money, because all they care the most is ranking up, that is the main and basic reason why they didnt get the merit normally, because they feel this system is too heavy thus render them too lazy to study and increase their quality.

Guess what? If you are newbie, you only need to score 1 merit daily to rank up normally. It is hard but not an impossible task in my opinion.

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Then why dont you follow his step and give more time to get those merits?

All you do is whining, only gives a little of your time and you want to get a lot of merits? Dont be a hypocrite. If you do the hard work you will get the results. It applies in every world, real world or internet world.

I personally don't have the time to live on Bitcointalk.org. I work 50+ hours a week and login to bitcointalk.org about twice a day to sale misc goods. Now is this fair to me, or others like me, that we can't rank up because of this? Again, opinions are like assholes, everyone has one. And I'm fairly sure you know mine. Point is, if Theymos can sell whitelist to be able to post more on Bitcointalk, then selling Merit Rank-ups should be no different.

I dont want to talk about the old system, it can not be talked anyomer since the systam has changed, and it will be irrelevant if we talk about past system with now system. But i want to ask you questions, one about past system,
1. do you think it is fair for people who did a good post and contribute a lot and focusing to 1 account (many users are like this and even if they have alt, they announced their alt) to rank up the at the same rate with the spammer?
2. Do you really think it is fair for people who does a good post and contributing a lot to rank up at the same rate as a litlle time spender like you?

The rank is there but it doesnt mean you can and should achieve it like it is your right. It is just like an education. It is your right as a human and must be given by your country, but it doesnt mean you can get into a high school or college or even class promotion in a school if you dont have the requirement for it, it is a privilege you should achieve.
Imagine if i dont have a good score and requirement to enter harvard and then i talk loudly that it is an unfair things, does it sound genius?

You should check on pinned thread on meta, as far as i know rank doesnt decide on how much you can post or how much time needed before you can post again, it is only decided by activity number.
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March 11, 2018, 06:47:23 PM
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I personally don't have the time to live on Bitcointalk.org. I work 50+ hours a week and login to bitcointalk.org about twice a day to sale misc goods. Now is this fair to me, or others like me, that we can't rank up because of this? Again, opinions are like assholes, everyone has one. And I'm fairly sure you know mine. Point is, if Theymos can sell whitelist to be able to post more on Bitcointalk, then selling Merit Rank-ups should be no different.

If you only use the forum to sell stuff - why do you care about merit and rank?

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March 11, 2018, 06:48:21 PM
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I personally don't have the time to live on Bitcointalk.org. I work 50+ hours a week and login to bitcointalk.org about twice a day to sale misc goods. Now is this fair to me, or others like me, that we can't rank up because of this? Again, opinions are like assholes, everyone has one. And I'm fairly sure you know mine. Point is, if Theymos can sell whitelist to be able to post more on Bitcointalk, then selling Merit Rank-ups should be no different.

If you only use the forum to sell stuff - why do you care about merit and rank?



Thats really simple and a dump question both. Who will get more sales? Legendary vs Member
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March 11, 2018, 07:05:41 PM
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I personally don't have the time to live on Bitcointalk.org. I work 50+ hours a week and login to bitcointalk.org about twice a day to sale misc goods. Now is this fair to me, or others like me, that we can't rank up because of this? Again, opinions are like assholes, everyone has one. And I'm fairly sure you know mine. Point is, if Theymos can sell whitelist to be able to post more on Bitcointalk, then selling Merit Rank-ups should be no different.

If you only use the forum to sell stuff - why do you care about merit and rank?

Thats really simple and a dump question both. Who will get more sales? Legendary vs Member

Member with green trust would probably get more sales than Legendary with red.

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March 11, 2018, 07:14:57 PM
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I personally don't have the time to live on Bitcointalk.org. I work 50+ hours a week and login to bitcointalk.org about twice a day to sale misc goods. Now is this fair to me, or others like me, that we can't rank up because of this? Again, opinions are like assholes, everyone has one. And I'm fairly sure you know mine. Point is, if Theymos can sell whitelist to be able to post more on Bitcointalk, then selling Merit Rank-ups should be no different.

If you only use the forum to sell stuff - why do you care about merit and rank?

Thats really simple and a dump question both. Who will get more sales? Legendary vs Member

Member with green trust would probably get more sales than Legendary with red.

Maybe. Thats hard to say without reliable testing and results. But we both know that straight up, +0/0 Legendary vs +0/0 Member, the Legendary is going to get more sales.
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March 11, 2018, 07:54:02 PM
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Maybe. Thats hard to say without reliable testing and results. But we both know that straight up, +0/0 Legendary vs +0/0 Member, the Legendary is going to get more sales.

I don't know that so not sure how you can claim that we both do.

I think that someone who treats rank as an indication of trustworthiness is begging to get scammed. Ranks in the "old" system meant just that the user was active for a certain length of time, and in the "new" system it may eventually mean that the user was active and wasn't an utter shitposter. None of this has anything to do with trustworthiness in a trade. I guess you're implying that your customers are stupid and don't know that. Fair enough. Still it seems that your effort would be better spent towards building trust than building rank.

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March 12, 2018, 04:34:10 AM
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I am fairly new to Bitcoin Talk. I learned that the merit system used to be more "liberal" before, but was changed recently. Before, users would earn merit based on the number of posts they made. Later, the stipulation that they earn merit from other users was added. While I see the logic in doing this (to ensure higher quality posts), this gives an unfair advantage to people who were here before. These people earned merit almost automatically by contributing to this community, now, doing the same would not earn users merit automatically.

An alternative would be a system such as used by Reddit or Stackoverflow, any user can easily vote a story or post up or down, granting merit (or reputation) on those other platforms. By making a few select people the "custodians" of merit, this creates a biased, undemocratic, unlevel playing field that unfairly rewards older members and punishes new ones. If a user makes a post that benefits 1000 members of this community, but those 1000 members are mostly new members so are not able to give merit, their efforts go unrewarded. However, if an older member makes a post that is seen by 10 of his other older member friends, that member gets more merit for that. This is an unfair and biased system. I get the reasoning and idea behind it, but practically, it's not the best way to allocate merit (IMHO)... Especially on a platform that is known as one of the most important sites for decentralized technologies like Bitcoin and Cryptocurrency in general.
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March 12, 2018, 04:50:31 AM
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I am fairly new to Bitcoin Talk. I learned that the merit system used to be more "liberal" before, but was changed recently. Before, users would earn merit based on the number of posts they made. Later, the stipulation that they earn merit from other users was added. While I see the logic in doing this (to ensure higher quality posts), this gives an unfair advantage to people who were here before. These people earned merit almost automatically by contributing to this community, now, doing the same would not earn users merit automatically.

An alternative would be a system such as used by Reddit or Stackoverflow, any user can easily vote a story or post up or down, granting merit (or reputation) on those other platforms. By making a few select people the "custodians" of merit, this creates a biased, undemocratic, unlevel playing field that unfairly rewards older members and punishes new ones. If a user makes a post that benefits 1000 members of this community, but those 1000 members are mostly new members so are not able to give merit, their efforts go unrewarded. However, if an older member makes a post that is seen by 10 of his other older member friends, that member gets more merit for that. This is an unfair and biased system. I get the reasoning and idea behind it, but practically, it's not the best way to allocate merit (IMHO)... Especially on a platform that is known as one of the most important sites for decentralized technologies like Bitcoin and Cryptocurrency in general.

Those selected few members are not the custodians of the merit system. They got more default merits than lower rank members but those merits will get spend in few months. Thing of the merit system in long term. Once all the default merit points are spent, the merits will come from merit sources. These merit sources are picked by the admin and they will not be biased. If any merit source tries to give preference to senior members while giving merits that will be spotted by the admin as all merit data is publicly available. Some of the times senior members are in better position to answer queries and thus get merited.
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March 12, 2018, 06:18:09 AM
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Maybe. Thats hard to say without reliable testing and results. But we both know that straight up, +0/0 Legendary vs +0/0 Member, the Legendary is going to get more sales.

How much is a reasonable price for you to pay to have something like copper membership allowing you to rank up without having merits? if the forum could sell enough of this new membership, we could have a monthly prize for top merited members by using the money.
There would be no extra merits, just your account with no merit requirement for ranking up.

I get the reasoning and idea behind it

You are lying. you don't get it.

unfairly rewards older members and punishes new ones.

Because old members have much more to lose.

If a user makes a post that benefits 1000 members of this community, but those 1000 members are mostly new members so are not able to give merit

They should learn from that one user. not to post garbage and feel cheerful about earning money.

By making a few select people the "custodians" of merit, this creates a biased, undemocratic, unlevel playing field

More democratic than this? all the merit related data is on the table, if you could find significant abuse of the system, report them and receive merits. if you don't have any useful inputs, help however you can. like I do. I consider the current situation a crisis, I am not honoring the deal with the signature campaign I'm currently enrolled. I have posted mostly in meta and in beginners & help where I'm not getting paid to post. if the manager was a bastard like her enemies, I shouldn't have get paid at all. I have earned enough in this forum than I could've earned in real life. I owe them my life.
There is no thread worth reading and posting, they all are airdrop and garbage token related. off chain payment projects should be the topic of discussions, they are not. I would beg anybody to direct me to a few useful topics on them and receive some merits for doing so.

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then selling Merit Rank-ups should be no different.

I think this is a fantastic idea.  Let me take it just a bit further!  There are so many people complaining about the new merit system that there should be a way that a user can opt (pay a small fee perhaps) in to using the old activity ranking system.  This way everyone will be happy!!  If you like the merit system opt in to it, if you prefer the old ranking system opt in to it, win-win!!!

Oh I almost forgot to mention, opting in to the old ranking system comes with one little sacrifice.  Anyone opting in to the old ranking system would have there signature privileges removed permanently, NO SIG FOR YOU.

Now lets see all these whining shitposters and farmers opt in to the old system they loved sooooooo much...

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March 12, 2018, 01:30:21 PM
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Is there an info graphic so I can understand the dynamic when members discover a merit source and engage in merit stalking?
I'm not talking about merit begging here, that I understand.

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March 12, 2018, 02:03:14 PM
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then selling Merit Rank-ups should be no different.

I think this is a fantastic idea.  Let me take it just a bit further!  There are so many people complaining about the new merit system that there should be a way that a user can opt (pay a small fee perhaps) in to using the old activity ranking system.  This way everyone will be happy!!  If you like the merit system opt in to it, if you prefer the old ranking system opt in to it, win-win!!!

Oh I almost forgot to mention, opting in to the old ranking system comes with one little sacrifice.  Anyone opting in to the old ranking system would have there signature privileges removed permanently, NO SIG FOR YOU.

Now lets see all these whining shitposters and farmers opt in to the old system they loved sooooooo much...


Thats a awesome idea. I could care less about the sig campaign. I wouldn't make it in one to begin with Grin
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March 12, 2018, 02:11:20 PM
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then selling Merit Rank-ups should be no different.

I think this is a fantastic idea.  Let me take it just a bit further!  There are so many people complaining about the new merit system that there should be a way that a user can opt (pay a small fee perhaps) in to using the old activity ranking system.  This way everyone will be happy!!  If you like the merit system opt in to it, if you prefer the old ranking system opt in to it, win-win!!!

Oh I almost forgot to mention, opting in to the old ranking system comes with one little sacrifice.  Anyone opting in to the old ranking system would have there signature privileges removed permanently, NO SIG FOR YOU.

Now lets see all these whining shitposters and farmers opt in to the old system they loved sooooooo much...


Yeah all the whining shitposters and farmers who doesnt like the merit system dont pay attention to what theymos stated before about removing signature and all kind of way to get money from forum if the merit is not succesful enough to decrease all the shitposter and spammer in this forum.
I guess the really want that to happen.
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March 12, 2018, 02:19:44 PM
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then selling Merit Rank-ups should be no different.

I think this is a fantastic idea.  Let me take it just a bit further!  There are so many people complaining about the new merit system that there should be a way that a user can opt (pay a small fee perhaps) in to using the old activity ranking system.  This way everyone will be happy!!  If you like the merit system opt in to it, if you prefer the old ranking system opt in to it, win-win!!!

Oh I almost forgot to mention, opting in to the old ranking system comes with one little sacrifice.  Anyone opting in to the old ranking system would have there signature privileges removed permanently, NO SIG FOR YOU.

Now lets see all these whining shitposters and farmers opt in to the old system they loved sooooooo much...


Thats a awesome idea. I could care less about the sig campaign. I wouldn't make it in one to begin with Grin

You might be in a very small minority here. The only real benefit of ranking up is a bigger signature with more styling options and an avatar. That's the reason all these guys are whining about it being difficult rank up. Not that it is difficult to anyone using the forum for its intended purpose, it's only difficult for spammers with no interest in Bitcoin.

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March 12, 2018, 02:29:28 PM
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then selling Merit Rank-ups should be no different.

I think this is a fantastic idea.  Let me take it just a bit further!  There are so many people complaining about the new merit system that there should be a way that a user can opt (pay a small fee perhaps) in to using the old activity ranking system.  This way everyone will be happy!!  If you like the merit system opt in to it, if you prefer the old ranking system opt in to it, win-win!!!

Oh I almost forgot to mention, opting in to the old ranking system comes with one little sacrifice.  Anyone opting in to the old ranking system would have there signature privileges removed permanently, NO SIG FOR YOU.

Now lets see all these whining shitposters and farmers opt in to the old system they loved sooooooo much...


Thats a awesome idea. I could care less about the sig campaign. I wouldn't make it in one to begin with Grin

You might be in a very small minority here. The only real benefit of ranking up is a bigger signature with more styling options and an avatar. That's the reason all these guys are whining about it being difficult rank up. Not that it is difficult to anyone using the forum for its intended purpose, it's only difficult for spammers with no interest in Bitcoin.


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March 12, 2018, 03:49:17 PM
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The activity requirement for membership ranks should be removed. All it does is encourage the spamming of pointless messages, which leads to low-quality discussion literally everywhere in this forum.
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March 12, 2018, 04:30:36 PM
 #3559

The activity requirement for membership ranks should be removed. All it does is encourage the spamming of pointless messages, which leads to low-quality discussion literally everywhere in this forum.

What a silly statement. Activity is there to reduce the potential gains from spamming. In my day when I have become involved in some heated discussions in a forum, I've managed 200 or 300 posts in a day, activity is there to ensure that only an average of 1 per day would count for ranking.

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March 12, 2018, 04:30:55 PM
 #3560

I personally don't have the time to live on Bitcointalk.org. I work 50+ hours a week and login to bitcointalk.org about twice a day to sale misc goods. Now is this fair to me, or others like me, that we can't rank up because of this? Again, opinions are like assholes, everyone has one. And I'm fairly sure you know mine. Point is, if Theymos can sell whitelist to be able to post more on Bitcointalk, then selling Merit Rank-ups should be no different.

If you only use the forum to sell stuff - why do you care about merit and rank?

Thats really simple and a dump question both. Who will get more sales? Legendary vs Member

Member with green trust would probably get more sales than Legendary with red.

You really made an awesome comment here. Most of the members do not realize this and they talk bout not being able to get merits. Many among them do not need any merits at all (just like in this case). If I am getting a good service at reasonable price from a Junior member, I will keep buying from him. I also provide some online services on other forums and all buyers chat with me before placing the order. Any experienced buyer can judge you in minutes  with the conversation you do with him. I had also purchased services from other members there and it makes no difference to me if the member has any special badge associated him there.
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