Merit & new rank requirements

[digaran]

Maybe. Thats hard to say without reliable testing and results. But we both know that straight up, +0/0 Legendary vs +0/0 Member, the Legendary is going to get more sales.

How much is a reasonable price for you to pay to have something like copper membership allowing you to rank up without having merits? if the forum could sell enough of this new membership, we could have a monthly prize for top merited members by using the money.
There would be no extra merits, just your account with no merit requirement for ranking up.

I get the reasoning and idea behind it

You are lying. you don't get it.

unfairly rewards older members and punishes new ones.

Because old members have much more to lose.

If a user makes a post that benefits 1000 members of this community, but those 1000 members are mostly new members so are not able to give merit

They should learn from that one user. not to post garbage and feel cheerful about earning money.

By making a few select people the "custodians" of merit, this creates a biased, undemocratic, unlevel playing field

More democratic than this? all the merit related data is on the table, if you could find significant abuse of the system, report them and receive merits. if you don't have any useful inputs, help however you can. like I do. I consider the current situation a crisis, I am not honoring the deal with the signature campaign I'm currently enrolled. I have posted mostly in meta and in beginners & help where I'm not getting paid to post. if the manager was a bastard like her enemies, I shouldn't have get paid at all. I have earned enough in this forum than I could've earned in real life. I owe them my life.
There is no thread worth reading and posting, they all are airdrop and garbage token related. off chain payment projects should be the topic of discussions, they are not. I would beg anybody to direct me to a few useful topics on them and receive some merits for doing so.

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[Flying Hellfish]

then selling Merit Rank-ups should be no different.

I think this is a fantastic idea.  Let me take it just a bit further!  There are so many people complaining about the new merit system that there should be a way that a user can opt (pay a small fee perhaps) in to using the old activity ranking system.  This way everyone will be happy!!  If you like the merit system opt in to it, if you prefer the old ranking system opt in to it, win-win!!!

Oh I almost forgot to mention, opting in to the old ranking system comes with one little sacrifice.  Anyone opting in to the old ranking system would have there signature privileges removed permanently, NO SIG FOR YOU.

Now lets see all these whining shitposters and farmers opt in to the old system they loved sooooooo much...

[dragonvslinux]

Is there an info graphic so I can understand the dynamic when members discover a merit source and engage in merit stalking?
I'm not talking about merit begging here, that I understand.

[xBoxLive]

then selling Merit Rank-ups should be no different.

I think this is a fantastic idea.  Let me take it just a bit further!  There are so many people complaining about the new merit system that there should be a way that a user can opt (pay a small fee perhaps) in to using the old activity ranking system.  This way everyone will be happy!!  If you like the merit system opt in to it, if you prefer the old ranking system opt in to it, win-win!!!

Oh I almost forgot to mention, opting in to the old ranking system comes with one little sacrifice.  Anyone opting in to the old ranking system would have there signature privileges removed permanently, NO SIG FOR YOU.

Now lets see all these whining shitposters and farmers opt in to the old system they loved sooooooo much...

Thats a awesome idea. I could care less about the sig campaign. I wouldn't make it in one to begin with

[athanz88]

then selling Merit Rank-ups should be no different.

I think this is a fantastic idea.  Let me take it just a bit further!  There are so many people complaining about the new merit system that there should be a way that a user can opt (pay a small fee perhaps) in to using the old activity ranking system.  This way everyone will be happy!!  If you like the merit system opt in to it, if you prefer the old ranking system opt in to it, win-win!!!

Oh I almost forgot to mention, opting in to the old ranking system comes with one little sacrifice.  Anyone opting in to the old ranking system would have there signature privileges removed permanently, NO SIG FOR YOU.

Now lets see all these whining shitposters and farmers opt in to the old system they loved sooooooo much...

Yeah all the whining shitposters and farmers who doesnt like the merit system dont pay attention to what theymos stated before about removing signature and all kind of way to get money from forum if the merit is not succesful enough to decrease all the shitposter and spammer in this forum.
I guess the really want that to happen.

[TheQuin]

then selling Merit Rank-ups should be no different.

I think this is a fantastic idea.  Let me take it just a bit further!  There are so many people complaining about the new merit system that there should be a way that a user can opt (pay a small fee perhaps) in to using the old activity ranking system.  This way everyone will be happy!!  If you like the merit system opt in to it, if you prefer the old ranking system opt in to it, win-win!!!

Oh I almost forgot to mention, opting in to the old ranking system comes with one little sacrifice.  Anyone opting in to the old ranking system would have there signature privileges removed permanently, NO SIG FOR YOU.

Now lets see all these whining shitposters and farmers opt in to the old system they loved sooooooo much...

Thats a awesome idea. I could care less about the sig campaign. I wouldn't make it in one to begin with

You might be in a very small minority here. The only real benefit of ranking up is a bigger signature with more styling options and an avatar. That's the reason all these guys are whining about it being difficult rank up. Not that it is difficult to anyone using the forum for its intended purpose, it's only difficult for spammers with no interest in Bitcoin.

[xBoxLive]

then selling Merit Rank-ups should be no different.

I think this is a fantastic idea.  Let me take it just a bit further!  There are so many people complaining about the new merit system that there should be a way that a user can opt (pay a small fee perhaps) in to using the old activity ranking system.  This way everyone will be happy!!  If you like the merit system opt in to it, if you prefer the old ranking system opt in to it, win-win!!!

Oh I almost forgot to mention, opting in to the old ranking system comes with one little sacrifice.  Anyone opting in to the old ranking system would have there signature privileges removed permanently, NO SIG FOR YOU.

Now lets see all these whining shitposters and farmers opt in to the old system they loved sooooooo much...

Thats a awesome idea. I could care less about the sig campaign. I wouldn't make it in one to begin with

You might be in a very small minority here. The only real benefit of ranking up is a bigger signature with more styling options and an avatar. That's the reason all these guys are whining about it being difficult rank up. Not that it is difficult to anyone using the forum for its intended purpose, it's only difficult for spammers with no interest in Bitcoin.

I do believe that is true. Story of my life :/

[lassbo]

The activity requirement for membership ranks should be removed. All it does is encourage the spamming of pointless messages, which leads to low-quality discussion literally everywhere in this forum.

[Jet Cash]

The activity requirement for membership ranks should be removed. All it does is encourage the spamming of pointless messages, which leads to low-quality discussion literally everywhere in this forum.

What a silly statement. Activity is there to reduce the potential gains from spamming. In my day when I have become involved in some heated discussions in a forum, I've managed 200 or 300 posts in a day, activity is there to ensure that only an average of 1 per day would count for ranking.

[belyaevi]

I personally don't have the time to live on Bitcointalk.org. I work 50+ hours a week and login to bitcointalk.org about twice a day to sale misc goods. Now is this fair to me, or others like me, that we can't rank up because of this? Again, opinions are like assholes, everyone has one. And I'm fairly sure you know mine. Point is, if Theymos can sell whitelist to be able to post more on Bitcointalk, then selling Merit Rank-ups should be no different.

If you only use the forum to sell stuff - why do you care about merit and rank?

Thats really simple and a dump question both. Who will get more sales? Legendary vs Member

Member with green trust would probably get more sales than Legendary with red.

You really made an awesome comment here. Most of the members do not realize this and they talk bout not being able to get merits. Many among them do not need any merits at all (just like in this case). If I am getting a good service at reasonable price from a Junior member, I will keep buying from him. I also provide some online services on other forums and all buyers chat with me before placing the order. Any experienced buyer can judge you in minutes  with the conversation you do with him. I had also purchased services from other members there and it makes no difference to me if the member has any special badge associated him there.

[shailkumari]

Thats a awesome idea. I could care less about the sig campaign. I wouldn't make it in one to begin with

Nice to see , everyone suggesting changes to the merit system as per his  or her own convenience. No one is really concerned about the forum and whether it is benefited by the merit system or not. I think the admin should make hings more strict for spammers with future changes and never ask for any suggestions from members here before making those changes.

[JayJuanGee]

then selling Merit Rank-ups should be no different.

I think this is a fantastic idea.  Let me take it just a bit further!  There are so many people complaining about the new merit system that there should be a way that a user can opt (pay a small fee perhaps) in to using the old activity ranking system.  This way everyone will be happy!!  If you like the merit system opt in to it, if you prefer the old ranking system opt in to it, win-win!!!

Oh I almost forgot to mention, opting in to the old ranking system comes with one little sacrifice.  Anyone opting in to the old ranking system would have there signature privileges removed permanently, NO SIG FOR YOU.

Now lets see all these whining shitposters and farmers opt in to the old system they loved sooooooo much...

I think that the merit system is like various forms of public insurance.  

The way that the system works the best is if everyone follows the same system, so paying for an opt out system would likely not be a reasonable solution on any kind of overall practical basis - even if there may be limited ways to go with this kind of opt out in limited circumstances, perhaps?

[xBoxLive]

then selling Merit Rank-ups should be no different.

I think this is a fantastic idea.  Let me take it just a bit further!  There are so many people complaining about the new merit system that there should be a way that a user can opt (pay a small fee perhaps) in to using the old activity ranking system.  This way everyone will be happy!!  If you like the merit system opt in to it, if you prefer the old ranking system opt in to it, win-win!!!

Oh I almost forgot to mention, opting in to the old ranking system comes with one little sacrifice.  Anyone opting in to the old ranking system would have there signature privileges removed permanently, NO SIG FOR YOU.

Now lets see all these whining shitposters and farmers opt in to the old system they loved sooooooo much...

I think that the merit system is like various forms of public insurance.  

The way that the system works the best is if everyone follows the same system, so paying for an opt out system would likely not be a reasonable solution on any kind of overall practical basis - even if there may be limited ways to go with this kind of opt out in limited circumstances, perhaps?

So being able to buy whitelist is ok for Brand New members? You can't have it both ways.

[JayJuanGee]

then selling Merit Rank-ups should be no different.

I think this is a fantastic idea.  Let me take it just a bit further!  There are so many people complaining about the new merit system that there should be a way that a user can opt (pay a small fee perhaps) in to using the old activity ranking system.  This way everyone will be happy!!  If you like the merit system opt in to it, if you prefer the old ranking system opt in to it, win-win!!!

Oh I almost forgot to mention, opting in to the old ranking system comes with one little sacrifice.  Anyone opting in to the old ranking system would have there signature privileges removed permanently, NO SIG FOR YOU.

Now lets see all these whining shitposters and farmers opt in to the old system they loved sooooooo much...

I think that the merit system is like various forms of public insurance.  

The way that the system works the best is if everyone follows the same system, so paying for an opt out system would likely not be a reasonable solution on any kind of overall practical basis - even if there may be limited ways to go with this kind of opt out in limited circumstances, perhaps?

So being able to buy whitelist is ok for Brand New members? You can't have it both ways.

The administrators of the forum can do whatever they want, even if it is contradictory.  I am not advocating any change, and therefore, I have no burden to back up what I am saying.  I am just pointing out a problem with the concept of opting out  - or having a parallel system.   if you are advocating some kind of opt out system then you have the burden to show with either logic or evidence that it is practical, and you need to convince theymos, not me.

[Flying Hellfish]

Yeah all the whining shitposters and farmers who doesnt like the merit system dont pay attention to what theymos stated before about removing signature and all kind of way to get money from forum if the merit is not succesful enough to decrease all the shitposter and spammer in this forum.
I guess the really want that to happen.

I certainly would like to see sig's removed from the forum.  I know I am in the vast minority on this one but hey a guy can dream can't he?!

[Flying Hellfish]

then selling Merit Rank-ups should be no different.

I think this is a fantastic idea.  Let me take it just a bit further!  There are so many people complaining about the new merit system that there should be a way that a user can opt (pay a small fee perhaps) in to using the old activity ranking system.  This way everyone will be happy!!  If you like the merit system opt in to it, if you prefer the old ranking system opt in to it, win-win!!!

Oh I almost forgot to mention, opting in to the old ranking system comes with one little sacrifice.  Anyone opting in to the old ranking system would have there signature privileges removed permanently, NO SIG FOR YOU.

Now lets see all these whining shitposters and farmers opt in to the old system they loved sooooooo much...

I think that the merit system is like various forms of public insurance.  

The way that the system works the best is if everyone follows the same system, so paying for an opt out system would likely not be a reasonable solution on any kind of overall practical basis - even if there may be limited ways to go with this kind of opt out in limited circumstances, perhaps?

So being able to buy whitelist is ok for Brand New members? You can't have it both ways.

The administrators of the forum can do whatever they want, even if it is contradictory.  I am not advocating any change, and therefore, I have no burden to back up what I am saying.  I am just pointing out a problem with the concept of opting out  - or having a parallel system.   if you are advocating some kind of opt out system then you have the burden to show with either logic or evidence that it is practical, and you need to convince theymos, not me.

Sorry for the double post (to lazy to edit the last one lol).  TBH I meant this more metaphorically. Shitposters are here exclusively for the sig space and good members enjoy some passive income for something they are already doing.  In reality almost no one would opt in for the old activity ranking system (with sig space permanently removed). 

[tekusa]

Is there an info graphic so I can understand the dynamic when members discover a merit source and engage in merit stalking?
I'm not talking about merit begging here, that I understand.

You want information about merit sources . What do you plan to do after getting that  information as you have already ruled out the possibility for merit begging ? Will you go through their posts and start commenting there to get their attention ? This will not work with the merit sources as they are very much experienced and will easily spot this behavior. They may even add you to ignore lists. Forum admin has intentionally kept the identity of these merit sources secret as he was aware of the possible consequences of revealing it.

[digaran]

then selling Merit Rank-ups should be no different.

I think this is a fantastic idea.  Let me take it just a bit further!  There are so many people complaining about the new merit system that there should be a way that a user can opt (pay a small fee perhaps) in to using the old activity ranking system.  This way everyone will be happy!!  If you like the merit system opt in to it, if you prefer the old ranking system opt in to it, win-win!!!

Oh I almost forgot to mention, opting in to the old ranking system comes with one little sacrifice.  Anyone opting in to the old ranking system would have there signature privileges removed permanently, NO SIG FOR YOU.

Now lets see all these whining shitposters and farmers opt in to the old system they loved sooooooo much...

Thats a awesome idea. I could care less about the sig campaign. I wouldn't make it in one to begin with

Are you OK being a legendary member but have no access to your signature space to put your links in it? if you are wearing a signature of your own business, you are essentially in a signature campaign. this forum wasn't like this. people were getting into a campaign because they were so good at posting, that you would've loved having them wearing your signature and taking the advantage of their positive impact on every topic they were posting on. it only turned into an industry, when everybody figured that, they could collect more funds with quantity rather than quality.

Because there was not enough time for potential investors to get acquainted with a few high quality posters. it turned into an industry but the forum kept the old policies of a classic community.

[Praveen Bhardwaj]

DROP SOME MERIT PLS...OR GIVE A WAY TO INCREASE THEM.

[bakasabo]

DROP SOME MERIT PLS...OR GIVE A WAY TO INCREASE THEM.

With that kind of post you more likely dont receive any merit. Try to keep making quality, constructive posts and you will surely be rewarded over time.