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March 04, 2018, 04:14:40 PM
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And my question how will you force people to give merit, and why people with 80 + post got automatically merit? Someone with -10 trust but with 500+ activity have also many merits. Does it prove that he writes quality posts>??
I think that come from last year, when people can get high rank when they do a lot of post. You can't force people to give you merit, the only thing you can do is answer to anyone don't know something or creat high quality post to receive the merit. From this year, I belive that anyone can rank higer must make high quality posts. I think we should learn a lot to make good topic, then we can receive the merit too.
Trully, I struck on Member rank this year because I don't have enough merit Smiley so I try more to reach Full member.
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March 04, 2018, 04:23:25 PM
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And my question how will you force people to give merit

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Duh.

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March 04, 2018, 04:37:49 PM
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I just wonder that, if I creat a good topic but only Jr.member or lower join how can they give me Merit? (they don't have it).

You can create a great and helpful topic in your local board. Based on how you construct your post, sticking on the local board is the best thing I can say to you.
A thread is viewed by everyone and not only based on your rank, you can't filter a thread just for Jr. Rank Members. If you create a great topic, don't expect that someone will be giving you a merit since not all of the members of these forum are interested and find your post constructive and worthy of merit.

And if I Merit someone, the merit of me is descrease?

Giving your sMerit does not "decrease" your Merit.

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March 04, 2018, 05:13:01 PM
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I have only just cottoned on to Merits. Blimey. It is very much a step in to the Black Mirror theme, no?

Merit me or don't.
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March 04, 2018, 06:00:12 PM
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Just learned about this new system, interesting to see how Bitcointalk is evolving

I'll give it a try
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March 04, 2018, 09:51:03 PM
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I just don't know if this is a good step towards the future of this forum, but there is one problem with this system.
Most of the helpful post go unnoticed by most of the users. And the one's who find it helpful aren't able to merit it because they simply can't.

I'm even doubtful if the creator of this thread will notice this post looking at the number of replies already to this post. This is the problem which needs to be taken care of. I hope someone could put some light on this.

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March 05, 2018, 04:41:23 AM
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I just don't know if this is a good step towards the future of this forum, but there is one problem with this system.
Most of the helpful post go unnoticed by most of the users. And the one's who find it helpful aren't able to merit it because they simply can't.

I'm even doubtful if the creator of this thread will notice this post looking at the number of replies already to this post. This is the problem which needs to be taken care of. I hope someone could put some light on this.
Same sentiments. Most of the users who have high merits are bounty managers who successfully paid them bounty team. Some good quality post are often ignored. Lol why.

So merits works liek karma in reddit. But as for me, this is not that much of a good "system". Smiley

The thing is even if you did give a high quality reply or  post, if it doesn't get that much attention , you won't get any. Smiley

Plus, you can't just let your merits stay there? woah, thats abit bad.
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March 05, 2018, 05:39:39 AM
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I'm just gonna leave this here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3055943.0.
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March 05, 2018, 06:35:07 AM
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I just don't know if this is a good step towards the future of this forum, but there is one problem with this system.
Most of the helpful post go unnoticed by most of the users. And the one's who find it helpful aren't able to merit it because they simply can't.

I'm even doubtful if the creator of this thread will notice this post looking at the number of replies already to this post. This is the problem which needs to be taken care of. I hope someone could put some light on this.

What is the basis of the claim ? Have you made this conclusion just based on your own posts not getting any merits. Now go to merit stats page and you will  find that a lot of members are getting merits including newbies and junior members. You need to compare your posts with those merited posts to find out the reason for not being able to get some merits.


I'm even doubtful if the creator of this thread will notice this post looking at the number of replies already to this post. This is the problem which needs to be taken care of. I hope someone could put some light on this.

I am sure that admin must have gone through some of the replies in the official thread. He replied to some of these but that was for initial posts. He is a very busy guy and has to look after other features of this forum.
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March 05, 2018, 07:14:43 AM
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For those limited on time in hunting quality posts warranting sM, follow my lead --> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3055943.msg31607357#msg31607357.
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March 05, 2018, 07:40:35 AM
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I have a situation on this, because me and my brother are part of this forum, what if I help him or he helps me to rank up by meritting one of my good post?

Is this a violation?
Are we prawn to be banned?

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March 05, 2018, 07:51:48 AM
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I was skeptical about this merit business, but then got given 10 so think I'm OK with the idea now  Wink
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March 05, 2018, 08:00:38 AM
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I have a situation on this, because me and my brother are part of this forum, what if I help him or he helps me to rank up by meritting one of my good post?

Is this a violation?
Are we prawn to be banned?

No, this merit was introduced so that members can give merits to their alt accounts and friends so that they can all rank up easily. Smiley What type of questions some members ask here really. Just go through your question 10 times and you will get the answer.

I was skeptical about this merit business, but then got given 10 so think I'm OK with the idea now  Wink

Here is the post you got those 10 merits for:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2683530.msg31588679#msg31588679

You made me a good laugh. I am sure that you will soon find your account listed in merit abusers along with the person who gave you those merits. Enjoy some read paint on your profile then.
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March 05, 2018, 08:07:12 AM
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Here is the post you got those 10 merits for:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2683530.msg31588679#msg31588679

You made me a good laugh. I am sure that you will soon find your account listed in merit abusers along with the person who gave you those merits. Enjoy some read paint on your profile then.
Wouldn't it be abusing of the trust system, if you just give everyone negative trust who receives a significant amount of Merit from another user for a non-quality post? So if you want to give someone negative trust (and you don't care about your own) you just have to give him some Merit for a shitpost and he will be flagged even if he doesn't even know you and he had not the intention to abuse the merit system? Huh

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March 05, 2018, 08:40:34 AM
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Here is the post you got those 10 merits for:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2683530.msg31588679#msg31588679

You made me a good laugh. I am sure that you will soon find your account listed in merit abusers along with the person who gave you those merits. Enjoy some read paint on your profile then.
Wouldn't it be abusing of the trust system, if you just give everyone negative trust who receives a significant amount of Merit from another user for a non-quality post? So if you want to give someone negative trust (and you don't care about your own) you just have to give him some Merit for a shitpost and he will be flagged even if he doesn't even know you and he had not the intention to abuse the merit system? Huh

Here's an idea. Let's have all those policing this forum create several sockpuppets for the sole purpose of doling out negative [.red.] trust. That way Google will index the perpetrators. Oh wait ... that's the one section on this forum which Google doesn't index. What the fuck was I thinking?

Here's another idea. Let's have the mods police this forum in weeding out posts that don't belong. Oh wait again ... they're now too busy reviewing posts in seeing if users deserve being candidates as an sM source.

Meanwhile, this: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3068650.0.

Ah, fuck it! Let's just built a new forum from scratch. Who's with me on this one?

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March 05, 2018, 12:03:54 PM
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In addition to activity, everyone now has a merit score, and you need both a certain activity level and a certain merit score in order to reach higher member ranks. The required scores are:

RankRequired activityRequired merit
Brand new00
Newbie10
Jr Member300
Member6010
Full Member120100
Sr. Member240250
Hero Member480500
LegendaryRandom in the range 775-10301000

You get merit points when someone sends you some for one of your posts. Additionally, when someone sends you merit points, half of those points can be sent by you to other people.

Certain users are designated as "merit sources". They can create new merit out of nothing, up to a limited number per month (which differs per source). I will not be posting a definitive list of merit sources (so that people don't bug them too much), though you'll soon figure out who they are if you pay attention.

There is currently no such thing as a "demerit". I'm hoping that the positive merits alone will be fine. I could add demerits pretty easily later on if necessary, though.

I'm hoping that this system will increase post quality by:
 - Forcing people to post high-quality stuff in order to rank up. If you just post garbage, you will never get even 1 merit point, and you will therefore never be able to put links in your signature, etc.
 - Highlighting good posts with the "Merited by" line.

While we will not be directly moderating this, I encourage people to give merit to posts that are objectively high-quality, not just posts that you agree with.

Do not beg for merit excessively.

Useful infographics

Forum users have helpfully created some infographics to explain the merit system:
paxmao's infographic
ibminer's infographic
8Habits's infographic
JetSet11's infographic
zentdex's infographic
alia_armelle's infographic

If you want to be a merit source:

 1. Be a somewhat established member.
 2. Collect TEN posts written in the last couple of months by other people that have not received nearly enough merit for how good they are, and post quotes for them all in a new Meta thread. The point of this is to demonstrate your ability to give out merit usefully.
 3. We will take a look at your history and maybe make you a source.

I am especially eager to have merit sources in sub-communities such as the local sections.

Trivia:

For current members, your initial merit score is equal to the minimum required to your rank. Of that, a certain amount (less than the usual half) is spendable. The spendable amount was calculated based on your current rank and the number of activity points you earned in the last year. A Legendary member who hasn't posted in the last year would still be Legendary, but would not have any spendable merit.

If someone sends you 1 merit, the 0.5 sMerit is not wasted; it is just not shown until you get another merit point.

There are stats here, and you can find someone's merit summary by clicking the "merit" link on their profile.
I was ready to move up to the member, I wonder why I'm still Jr.member when I got enough activitiy points, now I knew why. due to this and have to wait until I receive merit points....Garsh
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March 05, 2018, 12:19:14 PM
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Wouldn't it be abusing of the trust system, if you just give everyone negative trust who receives a significant amount of Merit from another user for a non-quality post? So if you want to give someone negative trust (and you don't care about your own) you just have to give him some Merit for a shitpost and he will be flagged even if he doesn't even know you and he had not the intention to abuse the merit system? Huh

Why will you do this from you main account ? It will result in your main account also getting negative trust and will make the account useless. In case, any one tries to play little smarter by creating a new account for this, he will have to wait for months before getting those merit points in bulk. Smiley

Also, if you feel that something like this has happened to you by mistake or other other account is trying to get you some negative trust, you can always appeal the case. A lot of things will be considered before giving that negative trust.

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March 05, 2018, 04:30:12 PM
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Wait a sec... so you can get a merit on your replies too? Wow... i really thought merit is given only to the "Posts" which you create... I mean new post or topics which are created by me.

That's new for me and it makes it even harder. Let say if I posted something in a thread at Page 3 and after some replies thread reached to 10 pages. So who's gonna read my "valuable" comment on page 3 ever? Except for those maximum 19 users who posted immediately after me and then new page started.

So only chance for getting a merit is if your comment is on the First Page or Last Page? Or creator of the Post who's actually following the post mostly he is newbie or Jr. Member have nothing to give and nothing to get in the end.



This shows that you are not a good observer. If you just see replies in this particular thread only, you will see that  a number of replies got merits. If there was some rule that only the person opening the thread will get merits, we would have seen a flood of threads here. Ans also then why will anyone leave a reply here as it is not going to give any merit.

Regarding your valuable comment on page 3, not being seen, I guess it is good for the forum. In most of the cases those comments are no needed as the OP has already got his answer in initial replies.
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March 05, 2018, 10:30:24 PM
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Thank you for adding my infographic as one of the infographic resources theymos, truly appreciated it Smiley
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March 06, 2018, 05:03:17 AM
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I was skeptical about this merit business, but then got given 10 so think I'm OK with the idea now  Wink

I wouldn't be bragging about receiving 10 merits for your one liner post.  It looks like DeepOnion has a merit swapping program going on.  Is this a new requirement to be accepted into the airdrop?
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