Merit & new rank requirements

[CryptoLing]

It's just getting harder and harder yes?

Only "good" people can make Hero Member or even Member

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[suchmoon]

please anyone can help me ?

Hello, can you be more spesific on what matters do you want people to help you?

He/she has been very specific in multiple posts and PMs begging for merits. Seems like a suicide mission (more suicide than mission really).

[ObscurePen]

I see theymoss didn't even give any chance for members who was waiting rank change today)) I think it's strange, all member are good for forum, not only hero. And if you implemented your new system so suddenly you should give at least another one rank change by old rules, I think would be fair. And It's not a secret that no-one likes this new system except members with highest rank, who don't care about it) And I don't care too. But it may be that very soon we will have "fork" of this forum with more fair rules and all people and startups will move there. Really don't understand you theymoss.

There is already a "fork" of this forum. Here is the link to it: forum.bitcoin.com

It is pretty much a Bitcoin forum like this one which has much less spam as it is relatively new and because it bans nearly all sig campaigns. As far as I know, they have only had 1 sig campaign so far.

Let me guess, the one and only sig campaign on your referral to bitcoin.com is for b-cash(trash?)?  hahahahaha

Yeah, right, go join that stupid-ass (and likely astroturf) forum for "more objective" information.  

Your guess was wrong. The signature campaign that I am referring to is advertising for Bitcoin games, which is a gambling website. This campaign was up and running, and finished before the fork of BTC into Bitcoin and Bitcoin Cash. Just for the record, I think forum.bitcoin.com is a much more useful forum for people wishing to learn and get help on things related to Bitcoin. Things are much better organised with little to no spam. Saying this I have not been on the forum for quite a while so I do not know it's conditions now. Bitcoin talk is better for making money and conducting trading.

Ah haaaa...

Looks like i was more or less correct... which means that I was in the ballpark regarding my thinking about your apparently fuzzy logic.

1) You described "the fork of BTC into Bitcoin and Bitcoin Cash."  Your word choice and phraseology seems to indicate that you don't quite understand (whether willfully or subliminally) what happened or the significance.  There was no neutral kind of forkening event.. What actually happened was a process that went awry.  The new york agreement fucktards thought that they were going to get some kind of sneaky agreement passed in which they would be able to sneak in 2mb blocks and also just cause bitcoin to become easier to change, and to fuck with bitcoin's governance. When that plan did not work, some small group of them created a renegade attack vector, which was a fork in order to attempt to leverage and threaten getting their way.  So yeah, your description of what happened is in accurate, and your usurpation of the term bitcoin into the name bitcoin cash is not appropriate for the thing referred to as bcash.

2) The fact that you believe bitcoin.com is some kind of "useful" forum demonstrates that  you are living in a fantasy world, because bitcoin.com is involved in an ongoing attempt to confuse people into thinking that bcash is bitcoin.

3) if you are here to make money only, then sure I suppose that you are getting a purpose out of the forum, but likely since your motivations are to use the forum for those purposes shows that it would probably be better for the rest of us if you just bugger the fuck out of here... and get your remaining pleasures at bitcoin.com. ... shoo..!!!! .shoo you.....!!!!   Now, go away!!!!   I understand that you are likely not going to go away.. so just wishful thinking from me... and we are likely stuck with your nonsense and foggy thinking for a while on this forum.. unless there is some slim miracle chance that you might learn something in which your might be able to contribute to the forum?  I doubt it, but Perhaps?
 

Read you illiterate moron. I wrote before that I have not been on Bitcoin.com for a while. I have no interest to go back too. I have no need of Bitcoin.com. Bitcointalk is more than sufficient. It is retards like you who spam too much and ruin this forum for others.

[Vod]

Read you illiterate moron. I wrote before that I have not been on Bitcoin.com for a while. I have no interest to go back too. I have no need of Bitcoin.com. Bitcointalk is more than sufficient. It is retards like you who spam too much and ruin this forum for others.

Also people like you who copy/paste entire quotes without editing what they are replying to.  :/

[JayJuanGee]

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Read you illiterate moron. I wrote before that I have not been on Bitcoin.com for a while. I have no interest to go back too. I have no need of Bitcoin.com. Bitcointalk is more than sufficient. It is retards like you who spam too much and ruin this forum for others.

Through your pro-bitcoin.com arguments, you have already shown yourself capable of determining what makes a good forum and good forum contributions, when you cannot even decipher meaningful differences between this forum and bitcoin.com?  I wonder?  

You likely have troubles figuring out various differences between bitcoin, bcash and other cryptos, too so - I have my doubts whether you really have any kind of sound abilities to point out difference between a good post and a bad one or even to recognize whether some words on a page rise to the level of spam or meaningful contributions, or if the spam slapped you in the face or if it were to come out of a can, labelled "spam".  

Confidence NOT inspired.  

[cjmoles]

i can't help you because i can't give negative trust but if you truly need help. others here willing to help you by giving some negative trusts.

You are misinformed.  Any account can give negative trust.

Well, actually negative trust can be given but it doesn't carry any weight unless you are a member of the trust syndicate.  That's why it's important to actually look at a users trust feedback before you interact with them....Several of those with green trust ratings are colluding with one another and many of those have significant histories of negative feedback in their profiles which have been negated by positive feedback from a small number of default trust members....it's a racket!

Advice: Don't trust anybody in the crypto-economic sphere based on some arbitrary algorithm...build your own trust network because many of the most successful scams on the forum have been pulled off by those held in high esteem, those who abuse the trust system, and those who use their status to silence their competition.

The new trend seems to be that those members in the trust syndicate are indiscriminately giving out negative trust to those who use the merit system to share merit....so it's not a good idea to use the merit system at this time if you don't want to get red marked ---> to be safe, just wait until the new system finds its equilibrium.

[CodyAlfaridzi]

It's just getting harder and harder yes?

Only "good" people can make Hero Member or even Member

That is exactly the main purpose of the merit system.

[ObscurePen]

Also people like you who copy/paste entire quotes without editing what they are replying to.  :/

Sorry, man. I was just really pissed off at that Jay guy for swearing around like it is the only word in his vocabulary when I didn't do anything wrong. I normally do edit the post, but as I said I was a bit pissed off.

(Edited) Happy now Vod?

Dude first of all calm down and stop swearing. I just want to say that I don't give a crap about forum.bitcoin.com, because I don't use it anymore. Secondly, I also don't really give a crap about Bitcoin Cash either. And I called you a spammer because I was:
1. Pissed off at your sudden anger and your unnecessary swearing.
2. One of your posts has nothing to do with the OP or any other post on this thread. No one asked anything about Bitcoin Cash. So the post is pretty much irelevant. The first post in which you explained to me about the merit system was of excellent post quality and helped me a lot. I thank you for that. But no one asked anything about Bitcoin Cash, yet you prattled on about it. I believe that is spam.

[KatgCrypto]

With current status I am afraid members will turn to merit hunters/beggers and merit score will have nothing to do with quality of posts

You seem to be implying that begging or hunting (whatever that is) will actually result in some substantial quantity of merits. I doubt that. I'm certainly not inclined to give any merits to beggars. If "hunting" means posting useful stuff hoping to earn merits - that's fine. I'm sure most merit senders will see the difference between a genuine effort and some contrived copy-pasta-google-translate job.

Hunting I mean, by trying to exchange or even sell/buy merit points. A Legendary member has no reason to do so, the rest I am afraid they will do.

[KatgCrypto]

So, how can i get merit score now, my friend?
Please kindly let me know.

Thank you and have a great working day !

By contributing something to the forum. Your entire posting history consists of 110 applications to bounty campaigns and this post.

By contributing something to the forum doesn't necessarily give you merit. A junior member (like me) cannot get easily merit and cannot give merit. Merit points are so low that make it a scarce resource. This resource will never be distributed freely to everyone but to persons that you already know or alt accounts.
In general I agree with merit score, but i suggest available points to distribute should be increased and even jr. members should have some.
I am not a crypto expert, I just started. What contribution of mine could impress the rest so i get merit points?
Is there a report to show merit points received by jr members and related posts (no alt accounts)? I think this report will be disappointing...

Contributing to the forum means getting involved in conversations. If you do that and show you have an interest in crypto and are here to learn and participate then the merit will come. You're new, forget about ranks and merit, just get involved and give it time.

Edit: I just checked your post history. Another almost entirely full of bounty applications. What do you think is merit worthy in that?

Although most of my posts are related to bounties and I am stigmatized for that I still have an opinion to express.
Since bounty related posts are considered  as 'bad', 'spammy' and low quality posts then I suggest the following solution:

1. Replies to bounty threads not to be calculated to users activity.
2. Double or triple the required user activity for promotion to next rank.
3. Keep merit score as an indication of quality and not as part of ranking Promotion.Give more merit points to all members.
4. Create a parallel sub-ranking system related to merit score.This will distinguish members of the same level.

With current status I am afraid members will turn to merit hunters/beggers and merit score will have nothing to do with quality of posts

Instead of seeming to blame others (such as the system), why don't you take matters into your own hands?  If you want to rank up, then engage in substantive threads.  Surely, you can also engage in the shitty threads too, but you are correct that if the only thing that you do is participate in the shitty threads, then it will likely become a lot more difficult for you to earn merits.  So you already seem to know a solution that involves yourself rather than expecting the whole forum system to change around you, right?

I am not here to blame others or the system. I just make a proposal for a different approach. That's the reason of this thread, to discuss this new point system. And this is the way I take matters into my hands.

[TheQuin]

I am not here to blame others or the system. I just make a proposal for a different approach. That's the reason of this thread, to discuss this new point system. And this is the way I take matters into my hands.

The new system doesn't suit you as your post history shows you are only here to collect bounties. Your proposal is to remove the function of the merit system. It was put in place so only those making a positive contribution to the content of this forum can rank up not those that are only here to take.

[JoyofCrypto]

I am pretty sure soon enough people will start buying merit

[JayJuanGee]

So, how can i get merit score now, my friend?
Please kindly let me know.

Thank you and have a great working day !

By contributing something to the forum. Your entire posting history consists of 110 applications to bounty campaigns and this post.

By contributing something to the forum doesn't necessarily give you merit. A junior member (like me) cannot get easily merit and cannot give merit. Merit points are so low that make it a scarce resource. This resource will never be distributed freely to everyone but to persons that you already know or alt accounts.
In general I agree with merit score, but i suggest available points to distribute should be increased and even jr. members should have some.
I am not a crypto expert, I just started. What contribution of mine could impress the rest so i get merit points?
Is there a report to show merit points received by jr members and related posts (no alt accounts)? I think this report will be disappointing...

Contributing to the forum means getting involved in conversations. If you do that and show you have an interest in crypto and are here to learn and participate then the merit will come. You're new, forget about ranks and merit, just get involved and give it time.

Edit: I just checked your post history. Another almost entirely full of bounty applications. What do you think is merit worthy in that?

Although most of my posts are related to bounties and I am stigmatized for that I still have an opinion to express.
Since bounty related posts are considered  as 'bad', 'spammy' and low quality posts then I suggest the following solution:

1. Replies to bounty threads not to be calculated to users activity.
2. Double or triple the required user activity for promotion to next rank.
3. Keep merit score as an indication of quality and not as part of ranking Promotion.Give more merit points to all members.
4. Create a parallel sub-ranking system related to merit score.This will distinguish members of the same level.

With current status I am afraid members will turn to merit hunters/beggers and merit score will have nothing to do with quality of posts

Instead of seeming to blame others (such as the system), why don't you take matters into your own hands?  If you want to rank up, then engage in substantive threads.  Surely, you can also engage in the shitty threads too, but you are correct that if the only thing that you do is participate in the shitty threads, then it will likely become a lot more difficult for you to earn merits.  So you already seem to know a solution that involves yourself rather than expecting the whole forum system to change around you, right?

I am not here to blame others or the system. I just make a proposal for a different approach. That's the reason of this thread, to discuss this new point system. And this is the way I take matters into my hands.

Yes.  When I suggest that you should change your behavior rather than suggesting that the system should change around you, that is talking about your proposal... and more or less suggesting that the proposal seems to be quite lacking... or perhaps difficult to take serious... in other words, why should any of us grapple with specific terms of your proposal if we have already concluded them to be weak if not worse than weak (maybe I am being too charitable?).

[ObscurePen]

Hunting I mean, by trying to exchange or even sell/buy merit points. A Legendary member has no reason to do so, the rest I am afraid they will do.

This is a bit of an issue. You see Theymos said that the merit system won't be moderated. So to stop this 'hunting' we are the only people who can regulate it. Every time you see something like this, report it. Eventually, the guilty accounts should be warned and maybe even banned by the mods. I think Theymos thought against moderating this system because of the size of the forum. It would be near impossible to moderate this system. But I personally think that he should at least try.

[TheBeardedBaby]

You don't understand.
People with rank "Full Member" and higher don't want to give merits for the people which rank is Member and lower. They are not interested in it. It's a competition! Higher rank means higher rewards and others advantages.  

This is not quite like that. I have already got 20 points for like 10 days, and I'm pretty sure there are many like me. I see Jr.Members with more Merit than me, and when you read the merited comments, it make sense.
You don't really need to spam around to generate useless posts or begging/"butlicking" the "big ones". There are many services where you check what people think of your"quality posts" and compare your type of thinking with the community. Not everyone know what quality post means.
Many people don't realize but this Merit system is actually improving a lot of things in your personalty >
-Your way of thinking and analyze things.
-Improving you language especially for NNESs
-Improving communication skills by contributing to the community.
etc. 

[athanz88]

please anyone can help me ?

Hello, can you be more spesific on what matters do you want people to help you?

He/she has been very specific in multiple posts and PMs begging for merits. Seems like a suicide mission (more suicide than mission really).

Oh i see, pardon me because i didnt read the page before. Maybe it is only an alts of someone and trying to make some chaos in here because he/she realize his/her lower rank account can not rank up anymore and trying to kill the account.

I am pretty sure soon enough people will start buying merit

Pretty sure it is already a thing now, but i guess admin and mod have a way to fight it. Merit point is tracked, so it will be easy to look over it.

[junoreactor]

You don't understand the problem.
People with rank "Full Member" and higher don't want to give merits to the people which rank is" Member" or lower. They are not interested in it. It's a competition! Higher rank means higher rewards and others advantages.  

No, you do not get it. It's not because you think this way that Merit sources think the same.

And Jesus 120 pages in two weeks... this system is not perfect but it is far better than the old system. Time to get over it guys.

[TheBeardedBaby]

So technically, i have to get 100 merits from others before i rank up to Full member? Am I correct?

Yes, you are correct. Read the OP of this thread and you will find what you have to do.

[dantes37]

I do not quite understand how to earn merits?

[anakrea]

I do not quite understand how to earn merits?

Short answer: The only way to receive Merit is from other Users. Post something that another user thinks is worth of giving you some Merit points.