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March 06, 2014, 02:37:37 PM
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It seems that the AUR bubble popped.
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March 06, 2014, 02:43:38 PM
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Nxt 0.8.7 Windows Installer released.
This is for Main Net, not test.

https://nextcoin.org/index.php/topic,1902.0.html

Quote from: Jean-Luc
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Hash: SHA1

Release 0.8.7

http://download.nxtcrypto.org/nxt-client-0.8.7.zip

sha256: e2322bd01fe303d74511b377468f1ceaf51d623dc41f6f3044c22146d883911a


Change log:

Fixed unconfirmed balance calculations for the genesis block
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Fixed the display of the genesis account balance in the NRS UI.
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March 06, 2014, 02:45:12 PM
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Well, you can do everything whilst it's downloading the blockchain, of course you'll only get your balance once it reaches the correct block.
It opens NRS in the background, yes, locally.

Does it shut down NRS when you close it?


Yes.

Cool. You should add some kind of random password generator for creating new accounts, and then it should be distributed with all new NRS releases as a default client

Not sure if there is a good and secure javascript.random available - However if you open the app and choose register new account, (new users will probably do this although they could just login), then it requires special characters, minimum length, etc.

very good service for creating passwords, select the appropriate option http://www.newpasswordgenerator.com/
in the future, of course you want a built-in password generator




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March 06, 2014, 02:47:56 PM
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Well, you can do everything whilst it's downloading the blockchain, of course you'll only get your balance once it reaches the correct block.
It opens NRS in the background, yes, locally.

Does it shut down NRS when you close it?


Yes.

Cool. You should add some kind of random password generator for creating new accounts, and then it should be distributed with all new NRS releases as a default client

Not sure if there is a good and secure javascript.random available - However if you open the app and choose register new account, (new users will probably do this although they could just login), then it requires special characters, minimum length, etc.

very good service for creating passwords, select the appropriate option http://www.newpasswordgenerator.com/
in the future, of course you want a built-in password generator




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oh, please:


import numpy as np

import sys
import string
 

def main():
    selChars = string.ascii_letters+ string.digits
    print( selChars)
    numPws=50
    pwLen=80
   
    for pwNum in range(numPws):
        pwDigs=np.random.randint(0,62,pwLen)
        pw=''
        for dig in pwDigs:
            pw += selChars[dig]
        print(pw)

if __name__=='__main__':
    main()
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March 06, 2014, 02:49:30 PM
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oh, please:


import numpy as np

import sys
import string
 

def main():
    selChars = string.ascii_letters+ string.digits
    print( selChars)
    numPws=50
    pwLen=80
   
    for pwNum in range(numPws):
        pwDigs=np.random.randint(0,62,pwLen)
        pw=''
        for dig in pwDigs:
            pw += selChars[dig]
        print(pw)

if __name__=='__main__':
    main()



xD  this is amazing !
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March 06, 2014, 02:52:28 PM
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Anyone likes my idea a Electrum-like passphrase generator to be included in Nxt clients? Today there are two new stories of newbies who had their Nxt stolen because they used a weak password

https://nextcoin.org/index.php/topic,4316.0.html




I think we are waiting for full client-side javascript signing where the passphrase is completely abstracted from any server.  When this is completed we could easily accomplish what you are suggesting on every nxt site out there:  nxtcrypto, mynext, etc etc and the user can then use APIs embedded into the javascript to view balances and perform transactions ,etc
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March 06, 2014, 03:03:27 PM
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This is weird. One one hand people complain about "fees" being too high, on the other hand they want to make money by "forging" These are contradictory statements.

Well, I guess the point is that there is actually no incentive to secure the network as one is not suitably rewarded by forging. This is a critical issue.

IMO you are absolutely right.  Us stakeholders who got in at the beginning will forge, and surely quite a few others will, but Im not sure if we will ever see a truly large network of forgers in the near future.  Maybe when NXT as a base structure protocol takes off, then the services that operate on top of NXT will  also pitch in, but as it sits now, forging really isnt all that profitable at all.  Add to that we are planning on reducing the fee by 1/10 and possibly even more in the future...

I think we do need to rethink things - yes, the forging NXT vs mining BTC argument of no equipment depreciation vs NXT appreciation is valid, but still, there really is no profit to be made in forging.

Lets consider BTC in 2140, where there are only fees, or even earlier than that, when block reward is well under the current 25 BTC (I think 25) per block.  What are fees going to look like then?  Can we then expect the mining network to be MUCH smaller than it is now, since we believe the return wont be nearly as high?

We have to consider these things.  Im not sure where to go, I think people smarter than me should weigh in for strategy.  But I think we do need to adopt a different strategy/position than our current position's forging NXT vs mining BTC argument of no equipment depreciation vs NXT appreciation.
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March 06, 2014, 03:06:36 PM
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Imagine that, now that we know who Satoshi is, they find that he is also BCNext....NXT to da mooonnnn!!!!  Grin
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March 06, 2014, 03:10:09 PM
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This is weird. One one hand people complain about "fees" being too high, on the other hand they want to make money by "forging" These are contradictory statements.

Well, I guess the point is that there is actually no incentive to secure the network as one is not suitably rewarded by forging. This is a critical issue.

IMO you are absolutely right.  Us stakeholders who got in at the beginning will forge, and surely quite a few others will, but Im not sure if we will ever see a truly large network of forgers in the near future.  Maybe when NXT as a base structure protocol takes off, then the services that operate on top of NXT will  also pitch in, but as it sits now, forging really isnt all that profitable at all.  Add to that we are planning on reducing the fee by 1/10 and possibly even more in the future...

I think we do need to rethink things - yes, the forging NXT vs mining BTC argument of no equipment depreciation vs NXT appreciation is valid, but still, there really is no profit to be made in forging.

Lets consider BTC in 2140, where there are only fees, or even earlier than that, when block reward is well under the current 25 BTC (I think 25) per block.  What are fees going to look like then?  Can we then expect the mining network to be MUCH smaller than it is now, since we believe the return wont be nearly as high?

We have to consider these things.  Im not sure where to go, I think people smarter than me should weigh in for strategy.  But I think we do need to adopt a different strategy/position than our current position's forging NXT vs mining BTC argument of no equipment depreciation vs NXT appreciation.


To be fair: in 2140, if  Bitcoin is still around, hell if even the concept of ownership of money as we know it today is still around 130 years from now then we have failed as a species ;P
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March 06, 2014, 03:11:09 PM
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Imagine that, now that we know who Satoshi is, they find that he is also BCNext....NXT to da mooonnnn!!!!  Grin

No this is bad. The journalist should be beaten with a stick.
Going out of your way to find this person when he has made every effort to stay anonymous and when he has rejected you over and over, is disgraceful and unethical as hell. I hope this journalist gets fired. Even posted a fucking image of his house...
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March 06, 2014, 03:12:37 PM
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If you´ve read my PM, I am trying to help you build a core dev team...
In addition to Java developers, and in fact much more urgently, we need a good cryptographer. This person doesn't even need to be that fluent in Java, the language background wouldn't matter (well, he should at least be able to read and understand the Java code). But I don't have much cryptography background myself, so this is an area where we currently lack skills, especially after the departure of BCNext.

Doctorevil seems pretty good and he mentioned before that he could help as a consultant. https://nextcoin.org/index.php/topic,3884.msg36769.html#msg36769

Ricot and Broodyrookie seem pretty good too.
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March 06, 2014, 03:12:56 PM
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whatever ! I rest my case with this. I was testing constantly!

james, I will not COMPLAIN ANYMORE.

wish you all the best and hope you finally produce something out of your pages of ideas and dreams.




Im going to call you out on this.  that was rude and uncalled for.  
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March 06, 2014, 03:15:20 PM
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If you´ve read my PM, I am trying to help you build a core dev team...
In addition to Java developers, and in fact much more urgently, we need a good cryptographer. This person doesn't even need to be that fluent in Java, the language background wouldn't matter (well, he should at least be able to read and understand the Java code). But I don't have much cryptography background myself, so this is an area where we currently lack skills, especially after the departure of BCNext.

Doctorevil seems pretty good and he mentioned before that he could help as a consultant. https://nextcoin.org/index.php/topic,3884.msg36769.html#msg36769

Ricot and Broodyrookie seem pretty good too.

I am waiting to hear back from a couple of guys that I have contacted who are hghly regarded in the Bitcoin world as cryptographers
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March 06, 2014, 03:27:08 PM
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Someone else suggested the leased forging power to be restricted according to the balance of the forging account and I think that it could also be a reasonable way to do it.
...

what do you think about limiting effectiveBalance for an account or total effectiveBalance for a leased pool where max allowed forging power is based on the latest target?  Would this be a way to limit where 1 entity could not run away with the chain?
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March 06, 2014, 03:31:27 PM
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If you´ve read my PM, I am trying to help you build a core dev team...
In addition to Java developers, and in fact much more urgently, we need a good cryptographer. This person doesn't even need to be that fluent in Java, the language background wouldn't matter (well, he should at least be able to read and understand the Java code). But I don't have much cryptography background myself, so this is an area where we currently lack skills, especially after the departure of BCNext.

Doctorevil seems pretty good and he mentioned before that he could help as a consultant. https://nextcoin.org/index.php/topic,3884.msg36769.html#msg36769

Ricot and Broodyrookie seem pretty good too.

I will approach them.
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March 06, 2014, 03:32:23 PM
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Imagine that, now that we know who Satoshi is, they find that he is also BCNext....NXT to da mooonnnn!!!!  Grin

No this is bad. The journalist should be beaten with a stick.
Going out of your way to find this person when he has made every effort to stay anonymous and when he has rejected you over and over, is disgraceful and unethical as hell. I hope this journalist gets fired. Even posted a fucking image of his house...

you mean HER house, don't you?  Cheesy

Check her:

https://twitter.com/truth_eater
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what do you think about limiting effectiveBalance for an account or total effectiveBalance for a leased pool where max allowed forging power is based on the latest target?  Would this be a way to limit where 1 entity could not run away with the chain?

Hmm... I am not quite clear on what you are referring to as being the "latest target" - if this is something to do with "difficulty" then my understanding from discussions with CfB about TF is that it won't even be necessary to have that (I am not even quite sure why "difficulty" was even used at all - perhaps someone would care to enlighten me?).

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Anyone likes my idea a Electrum-like passphrase generator to be included in Nxt clients? Today there are two new stories of newbies who had their Nxt stolen because they used a weak password

https://nextcoin.org/index.php/topic,4316.0.html




I think we are waiting for full client-side javascript signing where the passphrase is completely abstracted from any server.  When this is completed we could easily accomplish what you are suggesting on every nxt site out there:  nxtcrypto, mynext, etc etc and the user can then use APIs embedded into the javascript to view balances and perform transactions ,etc


Here some open source plug in . Maybe someone can contact the developers of this plug in to adapt them to Nxt if required

Pronounceable Password Generator
Extension Author: Jan Benjamin Engracia, Extension Language: English

This plugin adds a custom password generation algorithm, which generates pronounceable passwords.

The plugin is available here: http://sourceforge.net/projects/pronouncepwgen/ [Downloads]

Readable Passphrase Generator
Extension Author: Murray Grant, Extension Language: English

The Readable Passphrase Generator plugin generates passphrases, which are (mostly) grammatically correct, but nonsensical. These are easy to remember (for humans), but difficult to guess (for humans and computers).

The plugin is available here: http://readablepassphrase.codeplex.com/

WordSequence Generator
Extension Author: fireOut, Extension Language: English

The WordSequence plugin generates passphases consisting of words.

The plugin is available here: http://sourceforge.net/projects/kpwordsequence/

Here another one TFA. Maybe someone can contact the developers of this plug in to adapt them to Nxt if required

http://keepass.info/plugins.html#keeotp

OtpKeyProv
Plugin Author: Dominik Reichl, Plugin Language: English

OtpKeyProv is a key provider based on one-time passwords. After protecting your database using this plugin, you need to generate and enter one-time passwords in order to open your database.

All generator tokens that follow the OATH HOTP standard (RFC 4226) are supported.

Download plugin: [v2.2 for KeePass 2.20 and higher]
Download source code: [v2.2 for KeePass 2.20 and higher]

If you instead want KeePass to generate one-time passwords, see the {HMACOTP} placeholder. For generating time-based OTPs, see the KeeOtp and Tray TOTP plugins.

KeeChallenge
Plugin Author: Ben Rush, Plugin Language: English

Allows to protect KeePass databases using challenge-response authentication.

The plugin is available here: [KeeChallenge Plugin Website].

KeeOtp
Plugin Author: Devin Martin, Plugin Language: English

This is a KeePass plugin that adds support for two factor authentication into other systems using TOTP (Timed One Time Passwords). It stores TOTP secret keys in the KeePass database and generates TOTP codes from the key within KeePass.

KeeOtp is compatible with Google's 2-Step Verification and Amazon AWS MFA. It will work with most other RFC 6238 compliant TOTP implementations as well.

Website: [https://bitbucket.org/devinmartin/keeotp/wiki/Home]
Downloads: [https://bitbucket.org/devinmartin/keeotp/downloads]

KeePass has a built-in placeholder to generate HOTPs (but not TOTPs), see {HMACOTP}.

If you instead want to protect your KeePass database using one-time passwords (i.e. one-time passwords need to be generated and entered in order to open your database), see the OtpKeyProv plugin.

Tray TOTP
Plugin Author: Alexandre Gravel, Plugin Language: English

Time-based One-Time Password plugin to enable 2-step authentification (supports Google and Dropbox) by generating TOTPs from the KeePass tray icon. This plugin also provides a custom column to display and/or generate TOTPs. Auto-Type is also supported when the specified custom field is used in a keystroke sequence.

Website: [https://sourceforge.net/projects/traytotp-kp2/]
Downloads: [https://sourceforge.net/projects/traytotp-kp2/files/]

KeePass has a built-in placeholder to generate HOTPs (but not TOTPs), see {HMACOTP}.

If you instead want to protect your KeePass database using one-time passwords (i.e. one-time passwords need to be generated and entered in order to open your database), see the OtpKeyProv plugin.
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March 06, 2014, 03:58:26 PM
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what do you think about limiting effectiveBalance for an account or total effectiveBalance for a leased pool where max allowed forging power is based on the latest target?  Would this be a way to limit where 1 entity could not run away with the chain?

Hmm... I am not quite clear on what you are referring to as being the "latest target" - if this is something to do with "difficulty" then my understanding from discussions with CfB about TF is that it won't even be necessary to have that (I am not even quite sure why "difficulty" was even used at all - perhaps someone would care to enlighten me?).

That is true. The 'target' notion can be removed from NXT as it is clear from the very beginning of a new block which account it the next forger: better in which order the accounts are going to forge.

Btw. Why should limiting the effectiveBalance prevent 'running away with the chain'? If you split your balance up, then simply these accounts will act as one.
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Posted from asd, ref#q9u7tMvp5zRL7JYY

Anything else to add except the "Posted from asd, ref#q9u7tMvp5zRL7JYY"?
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