[BitFunder] Moving Forward/Resolution Process

[SebastianJu]

The thing is that even if some of the shares theoretically might have value... can they be sold? Neobee would have been something... if they didnt get into problems and maybe are bankrupt.

Is known what happened to the CEO of Neobee? He vanished they say. I wonder if some thugs catched him, got the bitcoins out of him and... hes gone. Such things could be possible at current bitcoin prices.

[WeexUser]

Is known what happened to the CEO of Neobee? He vanished they say. I wonder if some thugs catched him, got the bitcoins out of him and... hes gone. Such things could be possible at current bitcoin prices.

He posted in the NeoBee thread today:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=289730.msg6030319#msg6030319

[donut]

Thanks Ukyo for bringing down Neo&Bee!

[Fabrizio89]

Thanks Ukyo for bringing down Neo&Bee!

That is not completely Ukyo's fault. Thank their management.

[kano]

Thanks Ukyo for bringing down Neo&Bee!

No, Nee&Bee's problem is that cryptocyprus decided that if he backed Ukyo and made it look like they were going to be the Weex saviours, Neo&Bee would make money out of that.
That failed of course

[jimmothy]

I feel like my quote is a bit out of place since most quotes seem to be in support if neobee.

Actually all the quotes seem unrelated/irrelevant. It seems you are trying to suggest "the other voices" are superior investonomers but it makes little sense.

[KS]

Not to bash but it's easy to cherry-pick right-sounding quotes after the facts.

[jimmothy]

Not to bash but it's easy to cherry-pick right-sounding quotes after the facts.

I encourage anyone to read the first pages of this thread and others. That's how I build my ignore list.

You must have TAT on ignore then right?

This "financial expert" is the only reason many trusted danny to begin with.

[glendall]

Actually it looks like Danny has been pulled into the speculated SEC investigation.

There is not much credence to this idea, please give up on it.

As I said a bunch of times, the SEC does not investigate companies and then order them not to tell anyone about it.  That is illegal and not the way they work. The SEC does not investigate companies and allow them to collect deposits knowing that they will not be able to return the deposits.

If there was an investigation,  Jon Montrol or Danny would be able to say so.   The SEC does not give secret gag orders AFAIK (please correct me if anyone knows otherwise).  For the 10th time, the only time you will get investigated and given a secret gag order is if : 1) you are dealing with the CIA or NSA or what have you, and national security is an issue, which is obv's not the case here    2) your services have been confiscated and the FBI is doing a sting operation (obv's not the case here as well).

SEC investigations:
http://www.sec.gov/News/Article/Detail/Article/1356125787012

And for the 10th time again, the very most likely reason why Jon Montroll 'can't saying anything' is because he is protecting his own physical and legal ass.

His strategy worked pretty well.  Most people where strung around a few months (I tried my best), and 99% haven't done anything about having their money stolen. Some slower people maybe even still expecting him to pull through now and pay everyone back with his magic 5000 bitcoins, 4 months later.

[NotLambchop]

Is it possible for two people, unconnected by blood or other bodily fluids, to come up with identical gobbldygook?

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That's the final straw for me. Well done crumbs, destruction won. I'm scrambling my password.
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The zumzero account password is about to be scrambled and made unretrievable.  
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*Relevant because this guy is the universal shill, "Trust Danny" for this one & "Trust Ken" for Active Mining.

Gud by, crul world!

[WeexUser]

Ukyo was quite active on IRC earlier today. I have tried to separate the two conversations that was going on at the same time.

NeoBee

Code: (#bitfunder)

<[KS]__> Ukyo: N&B not directly your fault (Danny clearly overspent - typical startup mistake), but the delays in resolving the WeEx issue haven't helped. And still aren't. Say, you'd find his BTC about now, that would make a difference for a bunch of people. No pressure :p
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<Ukyo> i hear there is a lot more to all this than whats been made public so far
<Ukyo> well see what comes out soon enough i think
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<roamfree> Ukyo, you mean more to N&B debacle?
<Ukyo> ya
<Ukyo> talked a bit with the guys who worked there
<roamfree> nothing good eh?
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<Ukyo> doesnt sound like it at all

Weex

Code: (#bitfunder)

<[KS]__> Ukyo: N&B not directly your fault (Danny clearly overspent - typical startup mistake), but the delays in resolving the WeEx issue haven't helped. And still aren't. Say, you'd find his BTC about now, that would make a difference for a bunch of people. No pressure :p
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<Ukyo> [KS]__: the pressures there, dont worry. theres still hope. :)
<Ukyo> besides, i'm still here if thats any consultation. granted, if i were anyone else, i would prefer the btc over me. :P
<Kushedout> So will we be getting our BTC this year?
<Ukyo> I really hope so
<Ukyo> if i knew/had control over a time frame, i would promptly give one
<Ukyo> even if it was a shitty one
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<Kushedout> I honestly haven’t been following this issue closely, I am just hoping this are being worked on in the background and I will see my BTC sooner or later. Yes, you being here still gives hope. And I am sorry if this has been asked before.  Is the reason for the hold up a technical one or a legal one?
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<Ukyo> you could say, from a very narrow point of view, its a legal issue
<Ukyo> mpretty much all of the technical issues have been resolved
<Ukyo> there is hope, the problem is that its out of my hands atm.
<Ukyo> nothing i could possibly do can make anything happen any quicker
<Kushedout> So, if you “legally” could, you would be able to distribute everyone’s BTC back, today?
<Ukyo> if i had access and legally could of course i would
<Ukyo> no reason to hold ppls btc

[mgio]

Ukyo was quite active on IRC earlier today. I have tried to separate the two conversations that was going on at the same time.

NeoBee

Code: (#bitfunder)

<[KS]__> Ukyo: N&B not directly your fault (Danny clearly overspent - typical startup mistake), but the delays in resolving the WeEx issue haven't helped. And still aren't. Say, you'd find his BTC about now, that would make a difference for a bunch of people. No pressure :p
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<Ukyo> i hear there is a lot more to all this than whats been made public so far
<Ukyo> well see what comes out soon enough i think
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<roamfree> Ukyo, you mean more to N&B debacle?
<Ukyo> ya
<Ukyo> talked a bit with the guys who worked there
<roamfree> nothing good eh?
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<Ukyo> doesnt sound like it at all

Weex

Code: (#bitfunder)

<[KS]__> Ukyo: N&B not directly your fault (Danny clearly overspent - typical startup mistake), but the delays in resolving the WeEx issue haven't helped. And still aren't. Say, you'd find his BTC about now, that would make a difference for a bunch of people. No pressure :p
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<Ukyo> [KS]__: the pressures there, dont worry. theres still hope. :)
<Ukyo> besides, i'm still here if thats any consultation. granted, if i were anyone else, i would prefer the btc over me. :P
<Kushedout> So will we be getting our BTC this year?
<Ukyo> I really hope so
<Ukyo> if i knew/had control over a time frame, i would promptly give one
<Ukyo> even if it was a shitty one
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<Kushedout> I honestly haven’t been following this issue closely, I am just hoping this are being worked on in the background and I will see my BTC sooner or later. Yes, you being here still gives hope. And I am sorry if this has been asked before.  Is the reason for the hold up a technical one or a legal one?
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<Ukyo> you could say, from a very narrow point of view, its a legal issue
<Ukyo> mpretty much all of the technical issues have been resolved
<Ukyo> there is hope, the problem is that its out of my hands atm.
<Ukyo> nothing i could possibly do can make anything happen any quicker
<Kushedout> So, if you “legally” could, you would be able to distribute everyone’s BTC back, today?
<Ukyo> if i had access and legally could of course i would
<Ukyo> no reason to hold ppls btc

This is good to hear, I suppose. Anything from Ukyo is good to hear. By not having "access", does it mean the govt put a freeze on his coins, or does it mean they were stolen/spent/invested. I've always assumed the latter and that we will be "paid back" when his investments return some kind of profit, which may be never.

[kano]

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4-while fixing the bug with bitcoind they discovered a flaw in the protocol which would crash bitcoin and its derivates instantly to Zero.

If that were the case he could still alarm Gavin and the dev team and pay out the bitcoins to his customers. This idea makes no sense.

Please ignore these comments about the bitcoin protocol.
They are purely rubbish.

I agree it is complete speculation but I cant think of a single other case where this kind of secrecy would be acceptable

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Not sure why that quote is there unless it's not related to my comment
What I said is correct.

[jimmothy]

Yes, it's correct, but there were plenty of morons believing the "it's a bitcoin bug" explanation.

As I remember it this idea was thrown around for a day or two at most. Not many people believed it.

Speculation =/= plenty of believers

But then again you don't care. You're too busy patting yourself on the back because you "knew" danny was incompetent.

[SOSLOVE868]

Quick update for all UKYO's loan holders or We exchange Users.

I am still negotiating the hourly rate with my lawyer. but below are some information for you if you want to join to my lawsuit against Ukyo. I still think that lawsuit against UKYO is still the only hope you can have a chance to know what going on there and received possible pay back from Ukyo .

1: people who joint my lawsuit will need to send some deposit to the lawyer. I will gives you his bank account detail, and also you can contact him to find out what happening there. before you send the money to the lawyer ,I will gives you all his personal detail and contact detail. 

2: all cost related to against Ukyo is calculate based on the percentage of how much UKYO owes you towards total liability that against Ukyo in this lawsuit case.
For example, if Ukyo owes me 100 BTC , and there are 1000 total liability in this lawsuit is against to UKYO. then I will respond for 10% of the total cost. of course, that I also will received 10% from what UKYO pays in the future.

3: all cost are calculate in USD , so for people who willing to join this case, you have to prepare some USD first.

4: if not convenience for you   to send USD directly to the Lawyer, it also possible you can send me BTC, then I will based on current conversion rate and help you to send the USD to the Lawyer. (if you trust me, but I do prefer that you send directly to the lawyer).

5: The final hourly rate still being negotiating , so is only receiving people who willing to join me at this moment by PM or Email to Mistake868@hotmail.com( once it been confirm and I will let you know the final rate, and you make your choice that either to join or not.)

6: Last call to joint this lawsuit is 20.04.2014, and also you will need to get you money to the Lawyers account before 30.04.2014. after that date , that Lawyer will star his work, so it is no reason to bothering him to further modify the agreement between us and him.


PS: If there are any unclear information that please do ask me, and however  forgive my poor English.

Kind Regard

Yuan Lu



 

[KS]

Un-edited IRC conversation.

Code:

<Ukyo> Anyone awake?
<Syloq> no
<Ukyo> good
<Syloq> sup?
<Ukyo> sigh. ppl who dont pay attention to things are a good reason why i avoid the forums.  guy writes 'thanks ukyo for bringing down neobee' after danny clearly wrote that he personally covered the damages
<Graet> :/
<Ukyo> if any loan holders wake up. say something
<QG> something
<QG> reboot... brb... OMG!!! reboot!! 10days 20hours up time...
<[KS]__> Ukyo: N&B not directly your fault (Danny clearly overspent - typical startup mistake), but the delays in resolving the WeEx issue haven't helped. And still aren't. Say, you'd find his BTC about now, that would make a difference for a bunch of people. No pressure :p
<Rennex> resolving? lol
<jurov> going to buy a new spiffy building is typical startup mistake? lol
<Syloq> You have to spend money to lose money.
<Ukyo> i hear there is a lot more to all this than whats been made public so far
<Ukyo> well see what comes out soon enough i think
<Ukyo> [KS]__: the pressures there, dont worry. theres still hope. :)
<Ukyo> besides, i'm still here if thats any consultation. granted, if i were anyone else, i would prefer the btc over me. :P
<Kushedout> So will we be getting our BTC this year?
<Ukyo> I really hope so
<Ukyo> if i knew/had control over a time frame, i would promptly give one
<Ukyo> even if it was a shitty one
<Syloq> 2 weeks™
<roamfree> Ukyo, you mean more to N&B debacle?
<Ukyo> ya
<Ukyo> talked a bit with the guys who worked there
<roamfree> nothing good eh?
<Kushedout> I honestly haven’t been following this issue closely, I am just hoping this are being worked on in the background and I will see my BTC sooner or later. Yes, you being here still gives hope. And I am sorry if this has been asked before.  Is the reason for the hold up a technical one or a legal one?
<Ukyo> doesnt sound like it at all
<Kushedout> things*
<Ukyo> you could say, from a very narrow point of view, its a legal issue
<Ukyo> mpretty much all of the technical issues have been resolved
<Ukyo> there is hope, the problem is that its out of my hands atm.
<Ukyo> nothing i could possibly do can make anything happen any quicker
<Kushedout> So, if you “legally” could, you would be able to distribute everyone’s BTC back, today?
<Ukyo> if i had access and legally could of course i would
<Ukyo> no reason to hold ppls btc
<Ukyo> trust me, i dont liek the death threats either
<Ukyo> but running away from the situation wont help anyone
<Kushedout> I see. Thanks for that information.
<Ukyo> if you didnt know, about 6% was made available again
<Ukyo> at the claim site
<Syloq> "access" seems like a loaded word there..
<Kushedout> claim site?
<nsa_> is the claim portal open again? Heard some people saying they couldn't withdraw their ~6%
<Ukyo> that was a temp issue
<Kushedout> Link please?
<nsa_> http://weexclaims.weexchange.co/
<QG> are there funds to claim atm?
<Ukyo> thanks nsa_
<Ukyo> qg: 6% of what was stuck
<QG> oh, i may as well try again
<Kushedout> So if I didn’t claim the 6% last time, would it accumulate to 12% now?
<nsa_> no
<Kushedout> That’s unfortunate. Did it go back to my original balance?
<Syloq> Ukyo; what about your loan, is that coming closer to being paid back?
<nsa_> Kushedout: no, we have always only been able to withdraw 6.175%. There is no difference between doing it back in December and doing it now
<Kushedout> I see. Thanks for the clarification, just got my 6% back :)
<Kushedout> Drinks are on me fellas
<QG> haha cool, it worked :) thanks Ukyo
<Ukyo> Syloq: getting closer to starting. loan claim portal in testing atm
<Syloq> nifty
<[KS]__> Jurov: He clearly did not pay attention to the burn rate -> fail.
<jurov> buying buildings is not about burn rate, that's megalomania
<jurov> or how to call that
<[KS]__> jurov: AND megalomania. Well, there's residual value in bricks. (maybe move this to #neobee?)
<Graet> its a tiny channel
<jurov> not much to discuss here and i'm going afk anyway
<[KS]__> jurov: k

- {Day changed to vendredi 4 avril 2014}
<Ukyo> ukyo.loan claim portal live https://loan.weexchange.co/claim

[WeexUser]

Hello everyone.

If you have Ukyo.Loan shares, you can claim them at https://loan.weexchange.co/claim
There is also a discussion board there where updates will be posted.

Thank you for your continued patience,
Ukyo

[jbreher]

Confirming that today I was finally able to get 6.175% of my WeExchange deposit.

Does not change my opinion that the available evidence leads to the conclusion that this is most likely a scam.

[kano]

Confirming that today I was finally able to get 6.175% of my WeExchange deposit.

Does not change my opinion that the available evidence leads to the conclusion that this is most likely a scam.

The original first 6.175% from months ago.
Unfortunately, not anything new.

[jbreher]

Confirming that today I was finally able to get 6.175% of my WeExchange deposit.

Does not change my opinion that the available evidence leads to the conclusion that this is most likely a scam.

The original first 6.175% from months ago.
Unfortunately, not anything new.

Right. I had been locked out from collecting until recently.