[BitFunder] Moving Forward/Resolution Process

[stereotype]

At this point i would almost rather force him into bankruptcy than continue this charade... The MTGox BS sounds so close to what we have been dealing with but on an accelerated schedule. Makes me thinks I'm a fool for giving my continued trust.

Amen to that.

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[dexX7]

Ukyo, did you finally disappear?

He is still around, but as it seems without progress.

[glendall]

Bad trust ratings for Danny sure....but not for Ukyo?

It does me laugh a bit. Steals millions, hardly anyone cares, Jon Montroll doesn't even have a negative trust rating.  I gave him a negative trust rating a few months ago, and I think, one other guy. Isn't that weird.

Again I wonder if he paid off a lot of users because I just can't fathom why so few people seem to be upset that this thief took their money.

[matt4054]

Bad trust ratings for Danny sure....but not for Ukyo?

It does me laugh a bit. Steals millions, hardly anyone cares, Jon Montroll doesn't even have a negative trust rating.  I gave him a negative trust rating a few months ago, and I think, one other guy. Isn't that weird.

Again I wonder if he paid off a lot of users because I just can't fathom why so few people seem to be upset that this thief took their money.

My bad trust rating for Jon / Ukyo is already 2 months old.

As for Danny, he replied to my PM yesterday. Basically he used sarcasm to tell me that it would be unfair to give him negative feedback because he just wanted to help. I replied that it was totally not the point, sarcasm is inappropriate and that he just either has to keep his word or say that he's no longer involved. As simple as this. Waiting for follow-up.

[malkusch]

he just either has to keep his word or say that he's no longer involved.

Could you please quote his word regarding a time frame? AFAIR nobody who was involved gave ever an ETA.
I don't see where somebody is not keeping his word. Plus I don't see a benefit from a statement
of Danny that he would be no longer involved.

[Rannasha]

It does me laugh a bit. Steals millions, hardly anyone cares, Jon Montroll doesn't even have a negative trust rating.  I gave him a negative trust rating a few months ago, and I think, one other guy. Isn't that weird.

That's because you have the wrong people in your Trust-list (let me guess: DefaultTrust?). For me, Ukyo shows up with a ton of negative trust.

[KS]

I see 229 negative trust.

[SebastianJu]

So finally i managed to write with Marco Santori, the forum lawyer, and what does he answer?

Hi Sebastian. I can't help with Ukyo.  Sorry about that.

Thats it. No explaination. I hope he writes me an explaination later.

Bad trust ratings for Danny sure....but not for Ukyo?

It does me laugh a bit. Steals millions, hardly anyone cares, Jon Montroll doesn't even have a negative trust rating.

He has bad ratings. He only has more good ratings so he still is in the positives. Though it wouldnt change anything anyway.

[ThickAsThieves]

Maybe Santori represents Ukyo already.

[glendall]

It does me laugh a bit. Steals millions, hardly anyone cares, Jon Montroll doesn't even have a negative trust rating.  I gave him a negative trust rating a few months ago, and I think, one other guy. Isn't that weird.

That's because you have the wrong people in your Trust-list (let me guess: DefaultTrust?). For me, Ukyo shows up with a ton of negative trust.

Oh that is it. Sorry my bad. Apparently I'm not fully aware how the trust system works and will now read up on it.

[SebastianJu]

Maybe Santori represents Ukyo already.

I sent him an email with that question already. Or another user is already his client and he cant take more for some reason.

Anyway... i would have awaited to get at least an explaination instead only "No". When i described what its about at foundation forum he asked me to send an email. So it would be strange when he only now knew that he can't handle it after he already knew the topic weexchange and ukyo.

[roussillon]

So I don't think that the no news good news is right in this case.
I deal with it an I'm now using cold strorage only ...
Lost 1.3 Btc in weexchange and 0.3 in mtgox + Some shares lost  

[SebastianJu]

What was the address of weexchange again? There was something in australia and something in the usa right? I will search another lawyer now. First step checking out if he can get more info, maybe putting pressure to get info. Sueing isn't the step from the start, first trying to gain information in case there is a gag order.

[glendall]

What was the address of weexchange again? There was something in australia and something in the usa right? I will search another lawyer now. First step checking out if he can get more info, maybe putting pressure to get info. Sueing isn't the step from the start, first trying to gain information in case there is a gag order.

I'd be really happy if you sued him and hope you do. It'd be nice if there were any reprecussions for him stealing all our money, and at the very least, we'd finally hear the truth, whether it was his scam to steal the money or he gambled away everyone's deposits on risky investments or whatever the case may be.

That being said, I think the chances are pretty slight.  Jon Montrol purposefully seemed to set up his company so that it has to do so, with one part of being registered in Bali, one part registered in Australia etc.  This is also shown in his IRC chats how he says that WeExchange and Bitfunder are totally separate companies and how he can't talk about what happened to our stolen millions 'for legal reasons' (which seem to be basically 'I did something illegal and you lost all your money so the less I say the better off I am').

I don't even know if you could find a lawyer who would be up for taking this on and it would cost you a really exorbitant amount of money to do so and best case would likely be that he goes bankrupt and you don't get any of your money back (which he also said he'd do, in IRC chats, if he got sued).

Probably the only people who got their stolen BTC back where the people that did enough stuff 'in real life' to warrant them being scary enough to Jon that he'd pay them off.

I'm amazed that still some people have their head stuck in the sand. Ya, ya, just hold on guys, Jon Montroll is going to just come back one day and give you your stolen money back lol. Keep on waiting !

[BitHub]

What was the address of weexchange again? There was something in australia and something in the usa right? I will search another lawyer now. First step checking out if he can get more info, maybe putting pressure to get info. Sueing isn't the step from the start, first trying to gain information in case there is a gag order.

WeExchange Australia, Pty. Ltd.
12A Bromley Rd.
Hilton, Western Australia 6163
Australia

Business Information:
ACN: 152 308 239
ABN: 30 152 308 239

[Kosmatos]

I'm amazed that still some people have their head stuck in the sand. Ya, ya, just hold on guys, Jon Montroll is going to just come back one day and give you your stolen money back lol. Keep on waiting !

Exactly what I am going to do. Squirm all you want.

Cryptocyprus has more BTC lost in this debacle than I do, says he'll be the last to get paid back, and he thinks he'll eventually get it back. I'd listen to him more than you.

And what the hell is it with this "trust rating" system on these forums? It must be utterly full of shit because I have a -4 reputation and never did anything other than post stuff here. Is it some kind of "I disagree with this bozo so I down vote his trust rating" thing? Pankkake, how wonderful.

[stereotype]

I'm amazed that still some people have their head stuck in the sand. Ya, ya, just hold on guys, Jon Montroll is going to just come back one day and give you your stolen money back lol. Keep on waiting !

Exactly what I am going to do. Squirm all you want.

Cryptocyprus has more BTC lost in this debacle than I do, says he'll be the last to get paid back, and he thinks he'll eventually get it back. I'd listen to him more than you.

And what the hell is it with this "trust rating" system on these forums? It must be utterly full of shit because I have a -4 reputation and never did anything other than post stuff here. Is it some kind of "I disagree with this bozo so I down vote his trust rating" thing? Pankkake, how wonderful.

Danny made the point to me recently in a PM, that he is owed what sounds like a considerable sum from Jon/Ukyo/Bitfunder/Weex. And i believe him.
However, we have recently been shown that it matters not, what connections, or skin, or 'knowledge' you have in this game, where you are dealing and relying on someones word.
What i mean is.....how much did Eric V and Charlie S have under Gox's control?
How many days before Mark was forced to bow, was Andreas and Charlie saying that insolvency was not an issue?

Dont get me wrong, im not judging the people named here per se. Its how they approach their judgements, is what i question.

So just relying on Danny's involvement is flawed and based on hope alone........UNLESS WE SEE EVIDENCE OF REAL PROGRESS!

[BitcoinForumator]

(F)Ukyo respects everyone here so much that he's just quiet.

[SOSLOVE868]

guys, i need ukyo's company registration paper ...because I am going to find a lawyer to get back our BTC back. if anyone knows ,please share it with me ,thanks !!!

[fuckukyo]

https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0Bza0Sx1iSRWqYVRiMkRaLVlrcFE

Good luck.