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February 09, 2014, 01:05:02 PM
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Would it be possible to further modify the algorithm so it becomes completely impossible to mine on GPUs? Needless to say that most of people would prefer mining on CPUs as deploying GPU farms or having even a single GPU loaded at 100% is not possible for typical user.

Regarding open/closed source, experience says that open is always better than closed.

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February 09, 2014, 01:07:11 PM
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Do you guys really think the kind of people that want ANONYMOUS TECHNOLOGY are going to be ok with closed source? 

"How do I know eduffield isn't working for the [NSA], [FBI], [CIA], [Aliens]?"
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February 09, 2014, 01:08:22 PM
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And now, how about collecting a good hefty bounty for a working effective GPU miner? I'd put down up to 1000 DRK - not much but if many people donate it'll build up.
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February 09, 2014, 01:11:02 PM
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Do you guys really think the kind of people that want ANONYMOUS TECHNOLOGY are going to be ok with closed source? 

"How do I know eduffield isn't working for the [NSA], [FBI], [CIA], [Aliens]?"

Well they wouldn't start using it straight away obv. And they wouldn't have to in order for DRK to gain a good head start vs copycats. Then after a few months release the source.
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February 09, 2014, 01:13:18 PM
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Do you guys really think the kind of people that want ANONYMOUS TECHNOLOGY are going to be ok with closed source? 

"How do I know eduffield isn't working for the [NSA], [FBI], [CIA], [Aliens]?"

Well they wouldn't start using it straight away obv. And they wouldn't have to in order for DRK to gain a good head start vs copycats. Then after a few months release the source.
I'm ok with the code being closed source until it goes in the live code.  But to make it closed even when live will be an enormous mistake.  I assure you, the kind of people who want anonymous technology WILL NOT use it.

There are always going to be copycats.  First in and a trusted development community makes a HUGE difference.  BTC would be a thing of the past if that wasn't true.
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February 09, 2014, 01:15:28 PM
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AWESOME! I dont think any other coin will stand a chance, even if they copy. Open source is the only way to go imo, but keep it closed for a month or so.

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February 09, 2014, 01:23:05 PM
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Do you guys really think the kind of people that want ANONYMOUS TECHNOLOGY are going to be ok with closed source? 

"How do I know eduffield isn't working for the [NSA], [FBI], [CIA], [Aliens]?"

Well they wouldn't start using it straight away obv. And they wouldn't have to in order for DRK to gain a good head start vs copycats. Then after a few months release the source.
I'm ok with the code being closed source until it goes in the live code.  But to make it closed even when live will be an enormous mistake.  I assure you, the kind of people who want anonymous technology WILL NOT use it.

There are always going to be copycats.  First in and a trusted development community makes a HUGE difference.  BTC would be a thing of the past if that wasn't true.

You make a fair point. I kill you last  Smiley
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February 09, 2014, 01:26:42 PM
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You make a fair point. I kill you last  Smiley
You won't be able to as I'll be cloaked in anonymity.  Wink
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February 09, 2014, 01:37:43 PM
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February 09, 2014, 01:53:36 PM
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Difficulty   95.19166610

...and the big miner stays with his gigahashes (=it's not a question of cpu profitability)...


I have abandoned mining. For me this coin is not profitable anymore.

Indeed. There is a profitability solution, although crude. Unvervolting/underclocking and using the cpu in parallel with a GPU which is mining scrypt coins (where the bulk of one's daily profit will come from). Some cpus burn extremely little if they get, say, 0.8v-0.9v instead of 1.3v and 1.6-1.8ghz instead of 3gh+.

The rationale is: "If the pc is switched on anyway for the GPUs to do the work, why not use the cpu also but in a very low-power consumption mode?". Thing is, it has to be done in linux because the catalyst sucks in windows (if cpu use is high, the gpu hashrate falls).

Of course, for all practical intents and purposes, right now cpu mining seems about dead.
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February 09, 2014, 01:56:27 PM
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Open Source or Closed Source?

Closed source until beta/release to protect the coin from clones while it is being developed.  Clones are not bad, and it can provide a legitimate competitive rivalry among developers, but I think doing it this early would be a mistake pragmatically due to greed and capitalistic manipulation.

After that, it must, must, MUST be open source -- the community is for the most part somewhat more knowledgeable in cryptography and the need for anonymity in transactions, and you simply cannot have this if it is closed source.  Anecdote: this is why Truecrypt is infinitely more popular than any other data encryption.  No matter how good your intentions, no-one is going to trust a closed source client these days.  No one even trusts "trustworthy" companies like Google with their data as they did all doe-eyed in 2008 with their (in)famous "do no evil" motto when they, too, simply bend to the will of their masters.
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February 09, 2014, 01:57:28 PM
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Thing is, it has to be done in linux because the catalyst sucks in windows (if cpu use is high, the gpu hashrate falls).

I'm mining with full hashrates on windows with i7 cpu and 2 radeon cards.. 6 threads on LOW priority hashing DRK and sgminer in HIGH priority. Good hashrates for both coins.
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February 09, 2014, 02:01:53 PM
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Open Source or Closed Source?

Closed source until beta/release to protect the coin from clones while it is being developed.  Clones are not bad, and it can provide a legitimate competitive rivalry among developers, but I think doing it this early would be a mistake pragmatically due to greed and capitalistic manipulation.

After that, it must, must, MUST be open source -- the community is for the most part somewhat more knowledgeable in cryptography and the need for anonymity in transactions, and you simply cannot have this if it is closed source.  Anecdote: this is why Truecrypt is infinitely more popular than any other data encryption.  No matter how good your intentions, no-one is going to trust a closed source client these days.  No one even trusts "trustworthy" companies like Google with their data as they did all doe-eyed in 2008 with their (in)famous "do no evil" motto when they, too, simply bend to the will of their masters.

I think it should remain closed source a while after going live with it. Some people are going to use the plugin no doubt, even though most wouldn't. However, the promise that the source will be released soon, and the fact that it is working, will affect the market price positively (and thus general interest towards the coin). And also it creates yet another climax point when there will be countdown to the release of the source etc. All about marketing. Smiley
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February 09, 2014, 02:05:33 PM
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I think it should remain closed source a while after going live with it. Some people are going to use the plugin no doubt, even though most wouldn't. However, the promise that the source will be released soon, and the fact that it is working, will affect the market price positively (and thus general interest towards the coin). And also it creates yet another climax point when there will be countdown to the release of the source etc. All about marketing. Smiley
Darkcoin would market itself if it went live with closed source.  But most definitely not in a positive way.

"Anonymity with closed source software?  LOL"

Maybe, MAYBE it would have worked in a pre-NSA-Snowden era.  But these days?  ABSOLUTELY NOT.
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February 09, 2014, 02:14:19 PM
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"Anonymity with closed source software?  LOL"

Well you should obv word it a bit differently. Like "This plugin is right now a proof that it works, use it to test and try it out yourself, and the full source will be released shortly". Or something like that.

But yea, dunno, people will scream SCAM at the first sight of closed source so if it's gonna be closed source the way it will be released should be carefully considered.
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February 09, 2014, 02:20:17 PM
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The state of the network

1.) We launch open source and hope we gain a good name in the community. If done correctly, all of the other coins will just be clones that don't add anything original. I would still be working on other functionality and improvements, so we'd always be ahead of the rest.

2.) We implement all of the unique technology as a closed source plugin. The plugin would be shipped separately and added to a folder to enable the privacy features, it would also work normally if it didn't find the plugin. This is how NVidia ships their closed source drivers for their video cards with linux.

Which should it be?

+1 for open source. Closing the source would hinder adoption because of limited usability (unless you are going to provide binaries for every possible OS) and limited trust (personally I would not use it if it's closed). IMHO people would clone this coin with binary plugin anyway, I don't see anything preventing them from doing so.

But we should first do something about the network being raped.

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February 09, 2014, 02:43:19 PM
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Hello!
I install miner for DarkCoin on Xubuntu 13.04:
sudo -s
git clone https://github.com/ig0tik3d/darkcoin-cpuminer-1.2.git
cd darkcoin-cpuminer-1.2
./autogen.sh
bash: ./autogen.sh: Permission denied.
What's the problem?
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February 09, 2014, 02:47:17 PM
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Hello!
I install miner for DarkCoin on Xubuntu 13.04:
sudo -s
git clone https://github.com/ig0tik3d/darkcoin-cpuminer-1.2.git
cd darkcoin-cpuminer-1.2
./autogen.sh
bash: ./autogen.sh: Permission denied.
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chmod +x ./autogen.sh
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git clone https://github.com/ig0tik3d/darkcoin-cpuminer-1.2c.git

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February 09, 2014, 03:07:46 PM
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Anyone selling Darkcoin? I'm looking to put in .5 BTC. Poloniex exchange won't update for me and I can't see trades that I place.
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February 09, 2014, 03:11:43 PM
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Difficulty   95.19166610

...and the big miner stays with his gigahashes (=it's not a question of cpu profitability)...


I have abandoned mining. For me this coin is not profitable anymore.

Do like I'm doing, mine something else, dump it immediately and buy DRK.
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