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[boubou]

I think the essential of LimLim's post is that:

You won't let some folks here modify the Darkcoin code, why would you let them modify the marketting plan?

Marketting is a real job, as developper is. Darkcoin is great because of his proffessional developper, but Darkcoin is weak because he has not a professional marketting specialist.

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[darkproton]

He's already seen these thought-out response from AlexGR and others. But he never responds, disappears, repeat.

1. there is not 1 logical answer to decreasing the number of coins.

2. I always respond quoting.

3. when I respond I am a troll if I dont respond you say I dissappear.

4. I am not a troll, I am one of the top darkcoin miners and highly worried about darkcoins unfair distribution.

Fair enough. I understand your concern, however, I'm not sure what can be done about it at this point. Eduff addressed the issue a month or so ago with the airdrop. I assume you are mining it because you like the intended features of the coin, just not the distribution. I am not a miner and therefore have to buy any and all coins I like. I was able to get a lot of dark two weeks out from the initial mining because people were dumping what they had. I can show you pms I have. I believe people are still dumping whatever they have left. Because of this, I think the coin has been spread out a lot more than most think. As far as decreasing the number of coins, Eduff gave a reason I'm not too sure of at the moment. I guess people think you are trolling because you ask repeated questions that have been answered by a few here. Whether you like the answers or not is another thing, but that is what a response is for. Perhaps stating what you would like to see happen or how to resolve the issue may be best served.

[dadon]

talking about it over and over again ain't going to change anything..it's done..and if the unfair distribution doesn't kill the coin( i doubt it) constantly talking about how unfair it is instead of moving on and talking about something constructive sure will, bitcoin has unfair distribution, litecoin has unfair distribution 90% of every coin in existence has unfair distribution, time to move on, more important things to talk about, any investor doing research on this forum on DRK would be impressed by the DEV's work and all this talk of unfair distribution that has been discused about a thousand times is just tainting the hard work the Devs are doing

[peteycamey]

Perhaps stating what you would like to see happen or how to resolve the issue may be best served.

There is a very easy way to solve the problem.

undo the last huge mistake.

change the total number of coins back to original value.

[blajde]

Perhaps stating what you would like to see happen or how to resolve the issue may be best served.

There is a very easy way to solve the problem.

undo the last huge mistake.

change the total number of coins back to original value.

The community doesn't feel that was a mistake.

it was voted for

[dadon]

well that's not up 2 you that's up to everyone and i vote no, don't see why it would help anyway

[patrolman]

I personally think the blue/white scheme looks great.  Helps put peoples mind at ease about the word "dark," allowing them to see darkcoin mainly as a coin which offers anonymous transactions - a highly desired and uniquely innovative feature.

I agree. I think a final colour scheme needs to be decided on though and perhaps some contrasting colours from the colour scheme can be used in the logos for DarkSend and DarkGravityWave.

In my opinion gold is great, but golden digital images try to be classy but are usually tacky. This is not just directed at LawBC, I have seen a few people mention black and gold.

[AlexGR]

Perhaps stating what you would like to see happen or how to resolve the issue may be best served.

There is a very easy way to solve the problem.

undo the last huge mistake.

change the total number of coins back to original value.

One can still troll and say "50% of current coins were instamined", so it won't solve anything really. I can show you time stamped posts where trolls said just that, even prior to the reduction of the max number of coins.

[AlexGR]

He's already seen these thought-out response from AlexGR and others. But he never responds, disappears, repeat.

1. there is not 1 logical answer to decreasing the number of coins.

Scarcer coin, less inflation, better store of value. People liked it, they voted for it and here we are.

[dadon]

22 million is a perfect number in my opinion, with the small amount of coins and innovative features it has a real chance of matching BTC $ for $ a better chance then anything out there right now, and from what i can see, the Devs work and speed will keep us ahead of the pack for a long time to come, very excited about this one.

[coins101]

[This post is not related to discussion above!]

I'm stepping down from my role in the Darkcoin team, which means I'll be passing on this marketing/branding effort to the community & the devs. I wish you the best of luck with it!

I'd planned that next steps would involve selecting a colour palette, then writing a branding guide, then getting a new wordpress template crowdsourced. You may wish to take a different approach.

I volunteered myself for this role not because the work interested me, but because there was an obvious & dire gap to be filled, and the devs either didn't seem aware of this, or had other priorities. Now the gap is there again, and somebody else will need to fill this role. My suggestion to the devs is that Darkcoin needs a marketing team headed by someone with training & experience (i.e. someone with a professional portfolio). I hope they take the marketing side of things seriously and find someone with qualifications. Again, I must stress the importance of not watering down this criteria to something like, "well, I hired a marketer once", or "I can write HTML and operate Wordpress".

Taking on a branding / marketing role was a learning experience for me, and I took some wrong steps. In retrospect, polling the community for every decision was the wrong approach. Lacking a marketing professional on the team, I felt obliged to pass decisions on to the community, but I'd do it differently next time. Far better if the marketing team be given a degree of autonomy so they can progress with work unhindered. Community input IS important. It should be used judiciously, when feedback or focus groups are required -- the community should not be dictating the design / branding / marketing direction.

Choosing a marketing team is somewhat analogous to choosing a psychologist: If you take your time and find someone who "gets" you (and perhaps only then), you'll see progress & improvement that was simply not possible before. And there will always bee a large percent of doubters who think the whole idea is bogus and you can do just as good a job yourself. But at the end of the day, these are not skills you can learn on the fly; they require years of training, experience, and (perhaps most importantly), talent.

Put the initial effort into recruiting the right people, and things will fall into place from there.

You are the right people!

Commentators and opinionated observers just expect things to happen. Every successful business has people working hard out of sight. When things happen, everyone just thinks it was easy and it was preordained to be a success. This is not the case.

From what I've seen, you understand this more than anyone and are better suited to it than anyone. You just need the confidence to ignore the constant whining before, during and after marketing and branding decisions are made. The trick of engaging everyone, while making tough decisions that you and the leadership think are on balance the right ones, is just that - a balancing act.

The project is just about to move into a new phase and the world is about to take notice. Darkcoin needs you more than ever to be part of the leadership.

[eizh]

Perhaps stating what you would like to see happen or how to resolve the issue may be best served.

There is a very easy way to solve the problem.

undo the last huge mistake.

change the total number of coins back to original value.

It was voted for. I never participated in that vote, but I would've voted against it for the principle that supply parameters should remain unaltered from launch. For the same reason, I'd leave it as it is now: it needs to be finalized and permanent. Duffield agreed to this when this controversy was going on. It isn't going to change ever again.

If your issue is with large holders flooding the market with coins, then the protocol itself flooding the market with coins isn't exactly a solution, is it? Honestly, all I see here is petty envy masquerading as egalitarianism. "Some people have more". Boohoo. Here we are paying $500 for our BTC when there some plenty of forum members who bought it at $2. And there are some that bought hundreds of BTC for $1 at even earlier points in time.

It's not constrained to crypto. There are people that bought AAPL stock at $1. There are investment bankers who make more in a week than you will in your entire life. Plenty of "unfair" things to whine about: why latch on to DRK?

Anyway, real investors asses risk and put in the amount that suits their own risk profile. I was aware of the first 24 hours back in mid-March, before I bought most of my DRK. I took the information into account and that was that. I've yet to see any actual empirical evidence of these mystery large DRK holders and I'm satisfied with that. If you can't get over your personal paranoia, go find another asset to invest in.

[coins101]

I've got an investor that wants to buy about £5k - £10k GBP of DRK.

He has never done crypto before, but I know him from consumer financial services. I'm having lunch with him today.

PM please anyone that is interested.

[thelonecrouton]

I'm uneasy about this "marketing" stuff. I just equate the word "marketing" with "bullshit."

Here's all the marketing you need:

DarkCoin - Security - Privacy - For EVERYONE

Paint it a fancy colour if you like, but those 5 words are all you need.

[thelonecrouton]

I've got an investor that wants to buy about £5k - £10k GBP of DRK.

He has never done crypto before, but I know him from consumer financial services. I'm having lunch with him today.

PM please anyone that is interested.

This is the kind of thing we need - investors care about the fundamentals, they don't give a shit about "super secure X11 hashing algo!" or what colour the logo is.

Is it secure? Yes
Is it private? Yes
Is it useful, in demand, and thus likely to rise in price? Yes.

Sold.

Hopefully your investor friend will get talking to his investor buddies.

[dotnetmin]

Maybe people are concerernd if Darksend will work in the end.
That could also be a reason of low DRK price.

Also you are fighting against governments and centralbanks with cryptos, especially with anonymos transactions.
It´s the same thing like it is with precious metal. Price of gold is surpressed over years.

[godzirra]

We absolutely need someone or a small group to handle public relations/ marketing. We are in a highly competitive domain and will be going open source soon. Cryptocurrencies are a very new field which in many people's minds are a joke. We should have these things prepared while we are waiting.

Evan please delegate some of these aspects out. PR. Design. Marketing.

[thelonecrouton]

Also you are fighting against governments and centralbanks with cryptos, especially with anonymos transactions.
It´s the same thing like it is with precious metal. Price of gold is surpressed over years.

You think governments and politicians (let's face it, the largest criminal group by several orders of magnitude) wouldn't also like to keep their finances private? Think about it.

[dotnetmin]

Also you are fighting against governments and centralbanks with cryptos, especially with anonymos transactions.
It´s the same thing like it is with precious metal. Price of gold is surpressed over years.

You think governments and politicians (let's face it, the largest criminal group by several orders of magnitude) wouldn't also like to keep their finances private? Think about it.

They don´t need it because the have things we don´t have. Insider informations.
Thats worth more in FIAT money than anything else.

[dadon]

the amount of times it has been traced back that the US government is slipping money to people they shouldn't be, Muslim brotherhood for example, it wouldn't surprise me if they found completely anonymous money useful, you never know.