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January 25, 2014, 09:53:27 PM
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fundraiser + pre mine, however the aim is to give control to users? no coherence , I'm out.
Riding the wave?

Will be in on an alternative that invents the exact same things without asking pay me first.

Right... And who is going to fund the development and why will they share their bounty with you upon completion?
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January 25, 2014, 09:58:33 PM
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You two keep hamming it away with each other, Personally I think both of you are a complete joke.  Anybody who hassles people for questioning the legitimacy of requesting 36 million online from complete strangers is either getting paid as a shill by the company or has no sense of reality.

You have to be fuckin absolutey living in a bubble for hassling people that are questioning the legality of a totally strange entity asking strangers on the internet based off a youtube ad to invest up to 36 million.  Why dont you sell your home and car and give them all of your own money before asking the bitcoin community to give them 36 million upfront with no risk.  LMAO you are classic, you must think everyone on here is dumb that questions their motives.  I think its the exact opposite.

Please leave. There is no value to your existence.
Why don't you leave?  What kind of idiot encourages people to invest millions based off a youtube ad?  What is the harm in demanding more transparency and compliance with regulations?  Do you buy a used car without checking the  the engine or if a guy tries to sell you a diamond on the street do you immediately pay him based on his looks?  I highly doubt it, even small investments you would take the time to check it out before you handed over a single dollar.  And here you are apparently advocating everyone in the bitcoin community to give these guys millions with zero transparency or insurance that they are in compliance with  laws. So if for some reason they disappear once the money is transferred what then?  You and everyone will start crying because you didn't realize what you were getting in to. ARe you going to guarantee everyone's money with your pitiful life savings?   Not going to happen to you right?  Sure when its not your fracking money what do you care?  But if you you were going to buy anything worth of any remote value you would make sure that you are not getting scammed.  In a public forum where your money is not at risk, now its ok to just plow million into this entity with absolutely no assurance of whats going on?  Hypocrite, lets see you do this type of business deal everyday in your business life.  You dont fukin care right now and talk shit because it wont be your money and if you do, it will be a small negligible amount.

Edit: read your previous posts, now it all makes sense.  You have a vested interest in this coin succeeding.  No wonder you made that comment.  Only a shill or someone with principal interest would damn someone for questioning why there isn't more transparency for an entity asking for 36 million from internet strangers.

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January 25, 2014, 10:09:36 PM
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there is no issue with the fund raise. People are free to spend their money as they choose

also who said it occurs in us jurisdiction.


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January 25, 2014, 10:14:49 PM
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Charles Hoskinson → Former CEO of Invictus Innovations and Director of the Bitcoin Education Project


Got booted from one scheme and started another.  And of course both are asking for money or BTC to get started.
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January 25, 2014, 10:15:53 PM
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there is no issue with the fund raise. People are free to spend their money as they choose

also who said it occurs in us jurisdiction.



Not true, there are laws regarding transparency and compliance when people are trying to raise millions of dollars from strangers...in order to prevent fraud.  There will be similar laws in most countries and Canada if Im not mistaken is much tougher than US when it comes to crowdfundraising.

And why, who cares what jurisdiction they are in, if they are asking for 36 million from total strangers before they even open for business they should spend a few hundred thousand to provide assurances that they are in legal rights in each country they do business with and file all the necessary regulatory documents.  If they are not hiding anything or worried why would they care what jurisdiction they are in?

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January 25, 2014, 10:19:40 PM
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sad when you have to turn to Reddit to get actual information about the project.
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January 25, 2014, 10:20:56 PM
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In this post, it says there will be a legally reviewed prospectus come IPO time. If it looks legit, there you have it. If it doesn't, don't invest.
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January 25, 2014, 10:21:51 PM
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January 25, 2014, 10:27:57 PM
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So how or when can you mine this? Or when can you buy it?

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January 25, 2014, 10:31:19 PM
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So how or when can you mine this? Or when can you buy it?

Mining on mainnet won't be for months. Buying starts on the 1st of February for 2 months.

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January 25, 2014, 10:33:08 PM
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In this post, it says there will be a legally reviewed prospectus come IPO time. If it looks legit, there you have it. If it doesn't, don't invest.

+1. To everyone about to type something crazy, read this first.

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January 25, 2014, 10:33:48 PM
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I don't know how long has you been involved with bitcoin but the sooner you understand that bitcoin and decentralized network is not compatible with current law framework the better you understand why things are the way they are.

Take the red pill and be free or go back to your current comfortable existence of investing in sp500


there is no issue with the fund raise. People are free to spend their money as they choose

also who said it occurs in us jurisdiction.



Not true, there are laws regarding transparency and compliance when people are trying to raise millions of dollars from strangers...in order to prevent fraud.  There will be similar laws in most countries and Canada if Im not mistaken is much tougher than US when it comes to crowdfundraising.

And why, who cares what jurisdiction they are in, if they are asking for 36 million from total strangers before they even open for business they should spend a few hundred thousand to provide assurances that they are in legal rights in each country they do business with and file all the necessary regulatory documents.  If they are not hiding anything or worried why would they care what jurisdiction they are in?

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January 25, 2014, 10:36:23 PM
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Nice project you have there. Not sure we understand everything.

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January 25, 2014, 10:44:58 PM
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In this post, it says there will be a legally reviewed prospectus come IPO time. If it looks legit, there you have it. If it doesn't, don't invest.

Are you  stalking me?  LMAO you are in all my posts.  No Im not judging this company or the validity of its tech.  I am asking for complete transparency and assurances they are abiding with the regulations for each country they do business with. No, Im not fucking white knight or some tech geek trying to change the world, wtf is your problem?  All Im asking is that an unknown company that is asking for 36 million from complete strangers to hire some goddamn lawyers, get a bond, lay out their business plan, provide background checks for their principal owners..you know things most sensible banks do now?  Remember the no doc mortgages?  That screwed people for years and that is for a small home loan.  

Apparently you are advocating the entire bticoin community to give them a no doc 36 million cash gift. I have a problem with that. LMAO We all want to make money on these coins but when someone says gimme 36 million before I launch, they better have everything audited and legal dont you think that makes sense?  

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January 25, 2014, 10:50:57 PM
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You two keep hamming it away with each other, Personally I think both of you are a complete joke.  Anybody who hassles people for questioning the legitimacy of requesting 36 million online from complete strangers is either getting paid as a shill by the company or has no sense of reality.

You have to be fuckin absolutey living in a bubble for hassling people that are questioning the legality of a totally strange entity asking strangers on the internet based off a youtube ad to invest up to 36 million.  Why dont you sell your home and car and give them all of your own money before asking the bitcoin community to give them 36 million upfront with no risk.  LMAO you are classic, you must think everyone on here is dumb that questions their motives.  I think its the exact opposite.

Please leave. There is no value to your existence.
Why don't you leave?  What kind of idiot encourages people to invest millions based off a youtube ad?  What is the harm in demanding more transparency and compliance with regulations?  Do you buy a used car without checking the  the engine or if a guy tries to sell you a diamond on the street do you immediately pay him based on his looks?  I highly doubt it, even small investments you would take the time to check it out before you handed over a single dollar.  And here you are apparently advocating everyone in the bitcoin community to give these guys millions with zero transparency or insurance that they are in compliance with  laws. So if for some reason they disappear once the money is transferred what then?  You and everyone will start crying because you didn't realize what you were getting in to. ARe you going to guarantee everyone's money with your pitiful life savings?   Not going to happen to you right?  Sure when its not your fracking money what do you care?  But if you you were going to buy anything worth of any remote value you would make sure that you are not getting scammed.  In a public forum where your money is not at risk, now its ok to just plow million into this entity with absolutely no assurance of whats going on?  Hypocrite, lets see you do this type of business deal everyday in your business life.  You dont fukin care right now and talk shit because it wont be your money and if you do, it will be a small negligible amount.

Edit: read your previous posts, now it all makes sense.  You have a vested interest in this coin succeeding.  No wonder you made that comment.  Only a shill or someone with principal interest would damn someone for questioning why there isn't more transparency for an entity asking for 36 million from internet strangers.

They are NXTers. And low tier to boot.  They are followers; you can't expect them to question authority.
I for one thank you for wording my doubts.

30,000 BTC or 300 BTC, does not matter - there is no wrong question when you're asking other people's money.
but if you're dealing with 30,000 BTC, no stone should be left unturned within legal and contractual framework.
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January 25, 2014, 10:53:16 PM
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In this post, it says there will be a legally reviewed prospectus come IPO time. If it looks legit, there you have it. If it doesn't, don't invest.

LMAO at any prospectus provided by this entity, it will read like an advertising marketing pamphlet, that I can guarantee.  Prospectus will not be worth the paper they are written on unless they are sanctioned and approved by the SEC. Obviously that is not going to happen.

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January 25, 2014, 11:05:56 PM
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I don't like this caricature...
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January 25, 2014, 11:06:46 PM
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Apparently you are advocating the entire bticoin community to give them a no doc 36 million cash gift. I have a problem with that. LMAO We all want to make money on these coins but when someone says gimme 36 million before I launch, they better have everything audited and legal dont you think that makes sense?  

From the whitepaper: "Ether will be released in a fundraiser at the price of 1000-2000 ether per BTC, with earlier funders getting a better price to compensate for the increased uncertainty of participating at an earlier stage. The minimum funding amount will be 0.01 BTC."

The fundraiser will run 60 days and starts FEB 1st. The official announcement is at the Miami conference this weekend. Some facts of the project still aren't known. I'm looking forward to the news coming out of Florida.

I believe 36 million in the implied market cap if the fundraiser were to raise 30k in BTC on the first day. This is probably unlikely to happen, but you never know.

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January 25, 2014, 11:12:36 PM
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You two keep hamming it away with each other, Personally I think both of you are a complete joke.  Anybody who hassles people for questioning the legitimacy of requesting 36 million online from complete strangers is either getting paid as a shill by the company or has no sense of reality.

You have to be fuckin absolutey living in a bubble for hassling people that are questioning the legality of a totally strange entity asking strangers on the internet based off a youtube ad to invest up to 36 million.  Why dont you sell your home and car and give them all of your own money before asking the bitcoin community to give them 36 million upfront with no risk.  LMAO you are classic, you must think everyone on here is dumb that questions their motives.  I think its the exact opposite.

Please leave. There is no value to your existence.
Why don't you leave?  What kind of idiot encourages people to invest millions based off a youtube ad?  What is the harm in demanding more transparency and compliance with regulations?  Do you buy a used car without checking the  the engine or if a guy tries to sell you a diamond on the street do you immediately pay him based on his looks?  I highly doubt it, even small investments you would take the time to check it out before you handed over a single dollar.  And here you are apparently advocating everyone in the bitcoin community to give these guys millions with zero transparency or insurance that they are in compliance with  laws. So if for some reason they disappear once the money is transferred what then?  You and everyone will start crying because you didn't realize what you were getting in to. ARe you going to guarantee everyone's money with your pitiful life savings?   Not going to happen to you right?  Sure when its not your fracking money what do you care?  But if you you were going to buy anything worth of any remote value you would make sure that you are not getting scammed.  In a public forum where your money is not at risk, now its ok to just plow million into this entity with absolutely no assurance of whats going on?  Hypocrite, lets see you do this type of business deal everyday in your business life.  You dont fukin care right now and talk shit because it wont be your money and if you do, it will be a small negligible amount.

Edit: read your previous posts, now it all makes sense.  You have a vested interest in this coin succeeding.  No wonder you made that comment.  Only a shill or someone with principal interest would damn someone for questioning why there isn't more transparency for an entity asking for 36 million from internet strangers.

They are NXTers. And low tier to boot.  They are followers; you can't expect them to question authority.
I for one thank you for wording my doubts.

30,000 BTC or 300 BTC, does not matter - there is no wrong question when you're asking other people's money.
but if you're dealing with 30,000 BTC, no stone should be left unturned within legal and contractual framework.

LOL at all these requests. Here the disclaimer comes first. I am not investing a single cent in Ethereum for some other reasons. But

You guys are clueless about Bitcoin and crypto movements in general. Crypto movements  are grey areas, if the government understand them a bit more they will probably ban them outright. So you are pretty much on your own because you cant request them to provide you the impossible. If in the future Ethereum, and also NXT prove to be viable and working well; then all current fundraising, IPO laws, financial regulations, capital movement restrictions are  going to be re-written. If these laws hold strong, then that would mean all of these protocols will be banned. Either ways anything you are requesting now will be useless.

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January 25, 2014, 11:13:31 PM
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There is a serious issue her nobody is talking about, my understanding is Ether is an open source project just like bitcoin, with added programming language. But being open source what's to stop anyone from creating a clone that sells contracts for less, lets say a wookiedoo-for-less? Obviously the problem of fixed rates was not addressed, and why another group of devs who won't charge 30000 bitcoins two months from now and release an alt client that will do the same thing and give miners more thus have a much better chain with the ability to execute contracts at a much lower price allowing a faster adoption... My point by example.. Apple had an operating system better than windows at the early start, bad management and greed at Apple lead everyone to Microsoft's hands...

So If wookiedoo-for-less comes along what to stop people from deserting leaving Ether investors at a huge loss? and don't tell me the people behind it, we are talking 30000 bitcoins here not 50

Another concern is all the ideas that are mentioned are not completely original, it's been mentioned in bits and pieces here on these forums, actually smart contracts are currently being implemented elsewhere, so you want people to invest for two months on "whitepaper" without a client or a chain. I have seen this whitepaper change three times already within a week, dagger in dagger out, pow or pos, ether or wookiedoo, founders known/unknown, that is not transparency, that looks like a last minute rush to squeeze as much btc out as possible. I seen people post here, and on redit, in favor of Ether, that's wonderful, I like the project too, but after following up on the people posting in favor most are related to this project somehow. Let's take a look at this guy who wrote an open letter to the foundation about having concerns on the IPO, he is a promoter, yes that's his job, actually his website turned out to be a promotion for Ether, although he attempted to look like a concerned outsider, he is obviously not. When his suggestions were answered the next day, he was happy and these wonderful people answered his concerns, so now it's a great time to invest. However, people did not like the price increase, and all the changes were scrapped. So he comes here with his 2 posts account, and still promotes, no mention about concerns anymore. So when people ask for transparency Do not tell them to F#$# off. You have a great project here, but, your promotion is shameless, throwing in the word genius left and right does not make an investor feel any better, and certainly is not enough for people to throw in the money.

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