[POOL][Scrypt][Scrypt-N][X11] Profit switching pool - wafflepool.com

[gtraah]

Dont tell me this is the end off multi pools ?

Date   BTC Earned   Avg Hashrate   BTC / 1MH
Mar 08, 2014 (partial)   130.95482985   26.86 GH/s   0.00691149
Mar 07, 2014   176.44967423   27.22 GH/s   0.00648274
Mar 06, 2014   182.67115819   24.67 GH/s   0.00740525
Mar 05, 2014   177.24625993   26.01 GH/s   0.00681583
Mar 04, 2014   151.07244187   24.88 GH/s   0.00607105
Mar 03, 2014   204.10525969   23.52 GH/s   0.00867769
Mar 02, 2014   206.75970210   21.65 GH/s   0.00954890


Soon its going to become Half a 0.005/Per MH Then 0.0025 then Half again, then Electricity takes the lead and then people start selling their gear  ... Im curious if profitability will increase again

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[tagore]

Dont tell me this is the end off multi pools ?

Soon its going to become Half a 0.005/Per MH Then 0.0025 then Half again, then Electricity takes the lead and then people start selling their gear  ... Im curious if profitability will increase again

  Maybe now the ASICS  will come, they dont need much electricity, GPUs eat too much. Same that happened with Bitcoin sha will happen with scrypt. Every day I see it more and more clear. First ASIC scrypt are a bit expensive, but just wait a few months and see.

[madian]

Dont tell me this is the end off multi pools ?

Soon its going to become Half a 0.005/Per MH Then 0.0025 then Half again, then Electricity takes the lead and then people start selling their gear  ... Im curious if profitability will increase again

  Maybe now the ASICS  will come, they dont need much electricity, GPUs eat too much. Same that happened with Bitcoin sha will happen with scrypt. Every day I see it more and more clear. First ASIC scrypt are a bit expensive, but just wait a few months and see.

Highly unlikely. SHA ASICS were orders of magnitude better in processing power than GPUs. scrypt is memory intensive and the basic idea was for it to be ASIC resistant. Even in a few months their only advantage would be energy consumption (and in some cases noise, space and heat). In addition BTC was just one coin, you have hundreds of scrypt coins then scrypt jane, variable n etc. All the asics in the world would have to spread their hashing power among many coins. I'll keep buying video cards and if all fails i'll just turn them into a gpu farm and still make money from it. plus they are great in winter

[Rock6.3]

Remote API Unreachable

[poolwaffle]

Remote API Unreachable

Someone here mentioned it might have something to do with the DDOS protection strengthening we did a few day ago.  I'll contact Wil and see what we can do to make it work.

[GalacticMiningCorp]

Someone here mentioned it might have something to do with the DDOS protection strengthening we did a few day ago.  I'll contact Wil and see what we can do to make it work.

It makes sense if a single endpoint (or a small number of IPs) coming from MrWil's service is constantly hitting your api URL. I'd imagine that X number of people using it * 1 or 5 min intervals is going to amount to a fair bit of traffic and trigger some kind of anti-DDOS response.

[ClemsonBTC]

Someone here mentioned it might have something to do with the DDOS protection strengthening we did a few day ago.  I'll contact Wil and see what we can do to make it work.

It makes sense if a single endpoint (or a small number of IPs) coming from MrWil's service is constantly hitting your api URL. I'd imagine that X number of people using it * 1 or 5 min intervals is going to amount to a fair bit of traffic and trigger some kind of anti-DDOS response.

Eh.. How does that work? My one IP refreshing every couple of minutes enables DDoS protection? Wouldn't miners trip it too everytime they sent/received data, they have to be sending connections far more often than this stats thing?

[oinquer]

for rickme,

Code:

{
"pools" : [
	{
		"url" : "stratum+tcp://eu.wafflepool.com:3333",
		"user" : "xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx",
		"pass" : "d=512"
	},
	{
		"url" : "stratum+tcp://uswest.wafflepool.com:3333",
		"user" : "xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx",
		"pass" : "d=512"
	},
	{
		"url" : "stratum+tcp://useast.wafflepool.com:3333",
		"user" : "xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx",
		"pass" : "d=512"
	},
	{
		"url" : "stratum+tcp://ltc-eu.give-me-coins.com:3333",
		"user" : "xxxxx",
		"pass" : "xxxx"
	}
]
,
"intensity" : "19,19",
"vectors" : "1,1",
"worksize" : "256,256",
"kernel" : "scrypt,scrypt",
"lookup-gap" : "0,0",
"thread-concurrency" : "0,0",
"shaders" : "0,0",
"gpu-engine" : "700-1050,700-1150",
"gpu-fan" : "0-85,0-85",
"gpu-memclock" : "1250,1250",
"gpu-memdiff" : "0,0",
"gpu-powertune" : "20,20",
"gpu-vddc" : "1.100,1.100",
"temp-cutoff" : "75,75",
"temp-overheat" : "65,65",
"temp-target" : "60,60",
"api-listen" : true,
"api-mcast-port" : "4028",
"api-port" : "4028",
"auto-fan" : true,
"auto-gpu" : true,
"expiry" : "5",
"gpu-dyninterval" : "7",
"gpu-platform" : "0",
"gpu-threads" : "1",
"hotplug" : "5",
"log" : "5",
"no-pool-disable" : true,
"queue" : "5",
"scan-time" : "5",
"scrypt" : true,
"temp-hysteresis" : "3",
"shares" : "0",
"kernel-path" : "/usr/local/bin",
"api-allow" : "W:127.0.0.1"
}

copy paste into a file named cgminer.conf and just start the cgminer.exe without any arguments.
also, ADD your bitcoin address

[GalacticMiningCorp]

Eh.. How does that work? My one IP refreshing every couple of minutes enables DDoS protection? Wouldn't miners trip it too everytime they sent/received data, they have to be sending connections far more often than this stats thing?

I'm not sure what PW's back end infrastructure is like but MrWil is aggregating data through PW's web endpoint. If, for example, MrWil's processes are hitting PW's API for 1,000 users, ranging from 1 min to 5 mins each, that's several thousand requests a minute at least to that endpoint. This could definitely look like a DDOS attack to monitoring software.

The mining data is most likely set up a different way. This is an educated guess at best.

Ideally, PW would be setting up rate limiting for the API for general use, and maybe white-listed IP addresses for more intensive services like MrWil's with some kind of rev-share or other agreement in place for the service.

[ClemsonBTC]

Eh.. How does that work? My one IP refreshing every couple of minutes enables DDoS protection? Wouldn't miners trip it too everytime they sent/received data, they have to be sending connections far more often than this stats thing?

I'm not sure what PW's back end infrastructure is like but MrWil is aggregating data through PW's web endpoint. If, for example, MrWil's processes are hitting PW's API for 1,000 users, ranging from 1 min to 5 mins each, that's several thousand requests a minute at least to that endpoint. This could definitely look like a DDOS attack to monitoring software.

The mining data is most likely set up a different way. This is an educated guess at best.

Ideally, PW would be setting up rate limiting for the API for general use, and maybe white-listed IP addresses for more intensive services like MrWil's with some kind of rev-share or other agreement in place for the service.

I had totally just woken up when I wrote that.. Oh sheesh I'm a complete idiot for thinking I was the ONLY person using MrWil's website to pull data lol.

Ahhh the human brain was not designed to function without coffee!!! haha sorry

[GalacticMiningCorp]

I had totally just woken up when I wrote that.. Oh sheesh I'm a complete idiot for thinking I was the ONLY person using MrWil's website to pull data lol.

Ahhh the human brain was not designed to function without coffee!!! haha sorry

LOL! No worries; I myself typically need a full pot of coffee to be able to tie my shoes, let alone be allowed around sharp objects

[MisterWil]

Eh.. How does that work? My one IP refreshing every couple of minutes enables DDoS protection? Wouldn't miners trip it too everytime they sent/received data, they have to be sending connections far more often than this stats thing?

I'm not sure what PW's back end infrastructure is like but MrWil is aggregating data through PW's web endpoint. If, for example, MrWil's processes are hitting PW's API for 1,000 users, ranging from 1 min to 5 mins each, that's several thousand requests a minute at least to that endpoint. This could definitely look like a DDOS attack to monitoring software.

The mining data is most likely set up a different way. This is an educated guess at best.

Ideally, PW would be setting up rate limiting for the API for general use, and maybe white-listed IP addresses for more intensive services like MrWil's with some kind of rev-share or other agreement in place for the service.

You got it, I think. It's actually closer to ~4000 people every 1-5 minutes. The connections from my servers are being ended immediately and not just timing out like stale DNS records. I'm also personally seeing intermittent data points pop up. I'm almost positive that it's due to the new DDOS protection that's in place. I sent poolwaffle the IP's of the two servers that will be connecting to the API in the hopes that he can white-list them.

[poolwaffle]

Eh.. How does that work? My one IP refreshing every couple of minutes enables DDoS protection? Wouldn't miners trip it too everytime they sent/received data, they have to be sending connections far more often than this stats thing?

I'm not sure what PW's back end infrastructure is like but MrWil is aggregating data through PW's web endpoint. If, for example, MrWil's processes are hitting PW's API for 1,000 users, ranging from 1 min to 5 mins each, that's several thousand requests a minute at least to that endpoint. This could definitely look like a DDOS attack to monitoring software.

The mining data is most likely set up a different way. This is an educated guess at best.

Ideally, PW would be setting up rate limiting for the API for general use, and maybe white-listed IP addresses for more intensive services like MrWil's with some kind of rev-share or other agreement in place for the service.

You got it, I think. It's actually closer to ~4000 people every 1-5 minutes. The connections from my servers are being ended immediately and not just timing out like stale DNS records. I'm also personally seeing intermittent data points pop up. I'm almost positive that it's due to the new DDOS protection that's in place. I sent poolwaffle the IP's of the two servers that will be connecting to the API in the hopes that he can white-list them.

Whitelisted, Ideally within the hour, everything should be going through fine from the stats pages

[LostSavage]

Highly unlikely. SHA ASICS were orders of magnitude better in processing power than GPUs. scrypt is memory intensive and the basic idea was for it to be ASIC resistant. Even in a few months their only advantage would be energy consumption (and in some cases noise, space and heat). In addition BTC was just one coin, you have hundreds of scrypt coins then scrypt jane, variable n etc. All the asics in the world would have to spread their hashing power among many coins. I'll keep buying video cards and if all fails i'll just turn them into a gpu farm and still make money from it. plus they are great in winter

From what I understand the creator of scrypt says Litecoin (and anything based on it) "used scrypt poorly".  So that is not a large roadblock to ASIC scrypt miners.  The current ASIC script dualminer/gridseed use chips that are made on a 55 nm process that was state of the art around 2007.  I would guess half of the silicon is used for SHA-256 and not scrypt.  So we have yet to see the true power of a ASIC scrypt miner.

There are a number of SHA-256 coins too.  Looking at coinwarz three are currently are more profitable than Bitcoin.   Strangely I don't know of any SHA-256 multi-coin pools (but I haven't looked).  Currently there are two scrypt coins listed on coinwarz that are unprofitable based on reasonable energy costs.  I expect in six months half of the script coins listed will be unprofitable.  It the past month the value of Dogecoin has fallen 50%.  This is very poor when compared to Litecoin that fell around 10%.  As the total hash rate rises the total number of coins produced does not go up very much (by design).   A similar rise in coin prices may not happen.

Also next gen 20 nm video cards will be coming out the 2nd half of this year.  The new GeForce GTX 750 Ti from Nvidia card gives some idea on these cards.  A GeForce GTX 750 Ti uses 55% of the power for the same hash rate as a comparable AMD card.  I expect R9 280X/7970 GPUs used in miners to have a value around $140 a few months after the new cards are released.

[GoldMath]

Any infos on return of the coins-mined graph ?

[grippy54]

If you really want to make yourself nervous, look at this... scroll to the bottom.

http://www.mining-asics-technologies.com/products/

50mhs for $7k, 200mhs for $21k. When/if these are ever readily available, we all have to reinvest in new hardware.

[cloudrck]

When/if these are ever readily available, we all have to reinvest in new hardware.

Speak for yourself, assuming that these have any impact (I would argue these ASIC's won't be the death of anything), I would just move to mining something more ASIC resistant.

[LostSavage]

If you really want to make yourself nervous, look at this... scroll to the bottom.

http://www.mining-asics-technologies.com/products/

50mhs for $7k, 200mhs for $21k. When/if these are ever readily available, we all have to reinvest in new hardware.

I'm not sure about them but I think Alpha Technology is real.

https://alpha-t.net/shop/
https://alpha-t.net/news/timeline/

August 2014 the end of script mining as we know it...

[phrozenspite]

Highly unlikely. SHA ASICS were orders of magnitude better in processing power than GPUs. scrypt is memory intensive and the basic idea was for it to be ASIC resistant. Even in a few months their only advantage would be energy consumption (and in some cases noise, space and heat). In addition BTC was just one coin, you have hundreds of scrypt coins then scrypt jane, variable n etc. All the asics in the world would have to spread their hashing power among many coins. I'll keep buying video cards and if all fails i'll just turn them into a gpu farm and still make money from it. plus they are great in winter

From what I understand the creator of scrypt says Litecoin (and anything based on it) "used scrypt poorly".  So that is not a large roadblock to ASIC scrypt miners.  The current ASIC script dualminer/gridseed use chips that are made on a 55 nm process that was state of the art around 2007.  I would guess half of the silicon is used for SHA-256 and not scrypt.  So we have yet to see the true power of a ASIC scrypt miner.

There are a number of SHA-256 coins too.  Looking at coinwarz three are currently are more profitable than Bitcoin.   Strangely I don't know of any SHA-256 multi-coin pools (but I haven't looked).  Currently there are two scrypt coins listed on coinwarz that are unprofitable based on reasonable energy costs.  I expect in six months half of the script coins listed will be unprofitable.  It the past month the value of Dogecoin has fallen 50%.  This is very poor when compared to Litecoin that fell around 10%.  As the total hash rate rises the total number of coins produced does not go up very much (by design).   A similar rise in coin prices may not happen.

Also next gen 20 nm video cards will be coming out the 2nd half of this year.  The new GeForce GTX 750 Ti from Nvidia card gives some idea on these cards.  A GeForce GTX 750 Ti uses 55% of the power for the same hash rate as a comparable AMD card.  I expect R9 280X/7970 GPUs used in miners to have a value around $140 a few months after the new cards are released.

multipool itself has a sha-256 switcher. i think there are others as well

[LostSavage]

Speak for yourself, assuming that these have any impact (I would argue these ASIC's won't be the death of anything), I would just move to mining something more ASIC resistant.

That might be a flawed assumption that there will be any worth mining.