[CLOSED] BTC Guild - Pays TxFees+NMC, Stratum, VarDiff, Private Servers

[eleuthria]

New EU server up and running, getting the heck out of Hetzner!  DNS was updated and so was the Pool Stats page.  I'll give it an hour and then do a quick restart on the old EU-Stratum in order to try to force users to the new server.

The new EU server is copying the new bitcoind settings (500,000 byte blocks, with up to 50,000 used for free transactions if there aren't that many paid transactions waiting).

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[eleuthria]

All stratum pools received a brief restart to update their block mining settings.  A change has been made since last night:

Max Size = 500kb
Min Size = 50kb
Priority Size = 50kb

[eleuthria]

And just like that, we made our first big block at 480 KB: https://blockchain.info/block-index/355354/00000000000002afd19324105e429f5d3bd578ff710cf2802f9c59f622e37857

Virtually wiped out every unconfirmed transaction our pool servers had seen since the restarts.

[davebodger]

Hi, I'm trying to manually withdraw a small amount of namecoin (0.07004262) and the system tells me I can't do it because it must be at least 0.01  <confused>

Does it really mean 0.1 (my automatic payment limit) ?

Or does the manual withdrawal not work properly?

Regards.

Dave.

[eleuthria]

Hi, I'm trying to manually withdraw a small amount of namecoin (0.07004262) and the system tells me I can't do it because it must be at least 0.01  <confused>

Does it really mean 0.1 (my automatic payment limit) ?

Or does the manual withdrawal not work properly?

Regards.

Dave.

Ah, yes, NMC is actually set to a 0.10 minimum withdrawal, but the message was copied from the BTC payouts which are a 0.01 minimum.  Since NMC is virtually dead, I'll put the limit down to 0.01 now.

[eleuthria]

Another UI Update:

When something is added to the 'News' section, a small red notification will appear next to that icon on your navigation bar to indicate it has been updated, similar to what you would see on social networking sites like Facebook.

[eleuthria]

I have updated the second post in the thread to include an official Pool Block policy and general rules related to how the pool treats user data and actions taken on accounts.

[skeeterskeeter]

Could we get a X day running average of the PPLNS payout at the top along with the PPS?
All time high PPS and PPLNS payouts?
More instantaneous charts, or reset the charts option? (I don't like the averaging over period where the worker is not working)
Highest submitted difficulty shares (Top 5 per user (only visble to user) and top 5 overall)?
- Does anyone know the overall BTC network best shares ever?

Do many people switch from PPS to PPLNS and back to try and get more BTC? Is this frowned upon?
I mean it would still come down to luck I guess, you can switch to PPS if you know the next round won't pay well under PPLNS, but there is no way to tell that. You would just get lucky..

[eleuthria]

1) Could we get a X day running average of the PPLNS payout at the top along with the PPS?
2) All time high PPS and PPLNS payouts?
3) More instantaneous charts, or reset the charts option? (I don't like the averaging over period where the worker is not working)
4) Highest submitted difficulty shares (Top 5 per user (only visble to user) and top 5 overall)?
- Does anyone know the overall BTC network best shares ever?

5_ Do many people switch from PPS to PPLNS and back to try and get more BTC? Is this frowned upon?
I mean it would still come down to luck I guess, you can switch to PPS if you know the next round won't pay well under PPLNS, but there is no way to tell that. You would just get lucky..

1) PPS Rate is displayed because it is a known constant (for ~2 weeks at a time).  PPLNS Rate is subject to variance, so displaying this would be misleading since the past <X> shifts have no influence on what the next <X> will be paid.  The PPLNS Stats page does show a last 100 shift value for people to see how good/bad luck has been in the recent term, but it is only provided as a measurement, whereas the PPS Rate at the top is designed to be informative of current rates.

2) This statistic would not have much use since both of them will always be decreasing due to network difficulty.

3a) I'm looking into adding greater depth on the charts, however it is very demanding given how large BTC Guild is to generate these charts.  Additionally, your individual miner is subject to hashing variance, which means the shorter the time frame, the less accurate the charts become.  I am trying to implement something for this though!
3b) There is no plan to implement a chart reset, since the data used to generate the charts is also used to generate your 24 hour earnings statistics on PPS.

4) BTC Guild does not keep track of the difficulty of share you submitted, outside of meeting the minimum difficulty assigned to your Stratum connection.  Adding this would require rewrites to the Stratum pool code, just to add a feature that serves no purpose other than providing a statistic with no value.

5) Switching back and forth between PPLNS and PPS is fine, just don't trick yourself into thinking you can earn more by doing so.  PPLNS is a non-hoppable system, which means there is no way to predictably increase your BTC by jumping on and off of it.  If you think you have done so, it is purely a coincidence, and could just as likely have ended up in the opposite direction.



Sorry if it seems very negative, it's just that most of the requests don't add any hard data.  I'm all for number porn, but unless the numbers have meaning, they would just take time away from the many other things being added.  I tried my best to explain WHY the requests wouldn't be implemented, or what my eventual plans are in the case of #3a.

[skeeterskeeter]

1) Could we get a X day running average of the PPLNS payout at the top along with the PPS?
2) All time high PPS and PPLNS payouts?
3) More instantaneous charts, or reset the charts option? (I don't like the averaging over period where the worker is not working)
4) Highest submitted difficulty shares (Top 5 per user (only visble to user) and top 5 overall)?
- Does anyone know the overall BTC network best shares ever?

5_ Do many people switch from PPS to PPLNS and back to try and get more BTC? Is this frowned upon?
I mean it would still come down to luck I guess, you can switch to PPS if you know the next round won't pay well under PPLNS, but there is no way to tell that. You would just get lucky..

1) PPS Rate is displayed because it is a known constant (for ~2 weeks at a time).  PPLNS Rate is subject to variance, so displaying this would be misleading since the past <X> shifts have no influence on what the next <X> will be paid.  The PPLNS Stats page does show a last 100 shift value for people to see how good/bad luck has been in the recent term, but it is only provided as a measurement, whereas the PPS Rate at the top is designed to be informative of current rates.

2) This statistic would not have much use since both of them will always be decreasing due to network difficulty.

3a) I'm looking into adding greater depth on the charts, however it is very demanding given how large BTC Guild is to generate these charts.  Additionally, your individual miner is subject to hashing variance, which means the shorter the time frame, the less accurate the charts become.  I am trying to implement something for this though!
3b) There is no plan to implement a chart reset, since the data used to generate the charts is also used to generate your 24 hour earnings statistics on PPS.

4) BTC Guild does not keep track of the difficulty of share you submitted, outside of meeting the minimum difficulty assigned to your Stratum connection.  Adding this would require rewrites to the Stratum pool code, just to add a feature that serves no purpose other than providing a statistic with no value.

5) Switching back and forth between PPLNS and PPS is fine, just don't trick yourself into thinking you can earn more by doing so.  PPLNS is a non-hoppable system, which means there is no way to predictably increase your BTC by jumping on and off of it.  If you think you have done so, it is purely a coincidence, and could just as likely have ended up in the opposite direction.



Sorry if it seems very negative, it's just that most of the requests don't add any hard data.  I'm all for number porn, but unless the numbers have meaning, they would just take time away from the many other things being added.  I tried my best to explain WHY the requests wouldn't be implemented, or what my eventual plans are in the case of #3a.

I think I'd be more happy with all my ideas shutdown by someone smarter than me than have them accepted. This means my dumb ideas won't hurt too many people, once someone smarter than me accepts my ideas, it puts me on par with them. And smart people have a lot of responsibility which means I gain more. And I mean, really, who wants more.... (unless it leads to cash money, secks, and rock 'n roll)


But yeah I see what you mean, I guess I will have to write some stats tools myself. I just want to see, as you said, numb34 p40n. It gets my left hemisphere all excited.




What do you mean you can't tell which PPLNS shifts will pay more!? Ok so I propose, we get two entangled black holes, such that if something enters the event horizon of one it exits the other. And send one to alpha centauri, then bring it back. because of time dilation we now have a time machine. I will send PPLNS shift history back in time to me, rule the BTCwebs, and finally bet more than .01 on satoshidice FTW!



Thanks eleuthria!

[skeeterskeeter]

Hmm, under PPLNS stats. Sorting by # of shares column seems broken.

Clicking once gives me [82, 2xx, 2xx, ..., 0, 0, 0] 2xx ascending (82, 295, 291, ...)
Clicking again gives me [0, 0, 0, 2xx, 2xx, 82] 2xx descending (... 0, 271, 276, ... 82)

2xx, is a number in the 200 range, all the 200's are in order. It seems that the 82 wants to go where it shouldn't.. Overall sorting the column just switches all the 0's and 82 around (in front of or behind) the 200's values.

This is not the right order.. ? Or is it supposed to order by other than value?

[eleuthria]

Hmm, under PPLNS stats. Sorting by # of shares column seems broken.

Clicking once gives me [82, 2xx, 2xx, ..., 0, 0, 0] 2xx ascending (82, 295, 291, ...)
Clicking again gives me [0, 0, 0, 2xx, 2xx, 82] 2xx descending (... 0, 271, 276, ... 82)

2xx, is a number in the 200 range, all the 200's are in order. It seems that the 82 wants to go where it shouldn't.. Overall sorting the column just switches all the 0's and 82 around (in front of or behind) the 200's values.

This is not the right order.. ? Or is it supposed to order by other than value?

Looks like it's doing the classic problem with sorting numbers.  10 is showing up after 1, but before 2, etc.  Will take a look to see what setting will fix that.

[eleuthria]

I've updated the Worker Management page to change how the Minimum Difficulty is displayed.  It now shows the recommended hash rate for each difficulty, rather than just a number with no explanation.

[Tigggger]

On the settings page, would it be possible to have the current settings displayed rather than blank for email and bitcoin/namecoin wallet.

You could use placeholder="Current Setting" at it's html 5

I'm a new user to the pool and can't remember if/what I entered

[os2sam]

On the settings page, would it be possible to have the current settings displayed rather than blank for email and bitcoin/namecoin wallet.

You could use placeholder="Current Setting" at it's html 5

I'm a new user to the pool and can't remember if/what I entered

I see my current settings just fine.
TTFN,
Sam

[Tigggger]

I see my current settings just fine.

Thanks,

I'd presumed I'd entered everything when signing up, but obviously not

[os2sam]

I see my current settings just fine.

Thanks,

I'd presumed I'd entered everything when signing up, but obviously not

I completely missed all of the big blue "change" buttons the first time I used the new settings page.  I had assumed a single Save button at the bottom of the page.  I initially had the same/similar problem you described.

[dsky]

As i`m looking for a new pool that pays the txfees i wonder if i could be happy on btc guild.

I searched the thread for infos that i need for my mining park, but those are still left:

- I connect my miners from 3 different gateways (so 3 external ips) is this a problem with your botnet detection?
- On my current pool i can connect up to 20 workers on one worker account - can i do it this way here, too?

Would love to hear from someone that can answer my questions.

Bye
dsky

PS. And no- i don`t have a botnet or crap like that! Its all legit mining.

[eleuthria]

As i`m looking for a new pool that pays the txfees i wonder if i could be happy on btc guild.

I searched the thread for infos that i need for my mining park, but those are still left:

- I connect my miners from 3 different gateways (so 3 external ips) is this a problem with your botnet detection?
- On my current pool i can connect up to 20 workers on one worker account - can i do it this way here, too?

Would love to hear from someone that can answer my questions.

Bye
dsky

PS. And no- i don`t have a botnet or crap like that! Its all legit mining.

A few IPs and multiple machines on a single worker are fine.  BTC Guild's automatic detection of botnets uses very permissive settings.  I do manual inspection on occasion, but the activity you described does not sound like it would be a problem.

[Aseras]

I've started seeing a lot of discards on stratum tonight. Dropping to get work is fine.