[ANN] [888] [SCRYPT] OctoCoin ◦ The Power of Eight ◦ Don't Blink

[gd100]

... I felt it was important to brief you on the situation. A small piece of the original dev team, all of the code that has been written, and a shred of 888 passion among us still exists. Most (if not all) of the original dev team would certainly get involved again if the situation improved considerably...

This means that you have long since abandoned octo project.

You are a great businessmans. Started project with big promises and then left him.
You are great devs, but nothing done. You have millions of lines of code abandoned.

@ to all octo dev teams
Why did you start crypto projects once you are not serious. You are grandiosity, but without coverage. Pressurized air. Misled us and lied to us.

We do not know anything about business. Children are malicious. What did you expect from us? What we did not do as well as you wanted?

I'm very sorry that I believed in you. I believed in the great words that do not believe ... little child.
You've failed my crypto challenge. Losses are too high for me and I can not bear them easily. I'm not rich like you. Each dollar is hard won. You mocked the money and trust us. Pissed on us. Until today I believed in you. But not anymore. You will not do anything. Perhaps only fix wallet and that's it. Arrogant and nasty liars. That's you. Psohopati! Do not you people. Have you thought about the people who hurt and disappointed? Why did you do all this?

[djslick]

a couple things before i begin, so i won't have to address them as they detract from what's important here. anyone who calls death threats on others is a waste of life, that is entirely unexcusable behaviour. even though i fully understand the frustration that drove someone to do this, it is a deplorable thing to do. second, I hope that something happens with octo, i'd like to be optimistic. but here are the reasons why i'm not, and you know MAYBE it would be nice to have some of those concerns squashed:

I have been advised to just make a post in here and see where the discussion goes before escalating the situation or even attempting to have this thread taken down (which I certainly wouldn't want).

This is the last post I'm going to make here personally until everything clears up/improves... but for those of you who are understandably/legitimately panicked and not just going full Grassy Knoll here... I felt it was important to brief you on the situation.The situation! obviously someone is claiming to know something that none of us know about, good on you, let's hear it! A small piece of the original dev team, all of the code that has been written, and a shred of 888 passion among us still exists. Wait, US? so this means that you're claiming to be basically an octocoin dev right? i mean you seem to know intimate details about what's "left" from the octocoin project  Most (if not all) of the original dev team would certainly get involved again if the situation improved considerably. If the situation improved? so what, what situation? you haven't said anything. what is the situation? cause again i'd like to point out, other than bittrex freezing this coin, none of us have heard ANYTHING. Like most people, I have several other priorities right now but I will personally be putting the finishing touches on the new wallet as soon as possible and then ensuring that 888 it at least back and trading on Bittrex. Alright, so then you're officially a dev for the coin? not to sound like a dick, but who voted for you? or who gave the keys to you? these are serious questions. Several developers, including myself and the developer of another (fairly prominent) altcoin, have gone through the code and there is nothing there that could specifically cause issues with OctoCoin payouts. Regardless, some issue apparently popped up exclusive to Bittrex (after months without incident despite the same code being used) and, as a result, the new wallet will be 100% from scratch. Yeah, no offense, but we've about had it with getting the runaround from secretive devs. You and "some other important person" are going to rewrite the whole wallet? possibly changing the foundation of it? I do not think that you or your secret friend have earned the trust, or the right to take over. i will illustrate why in the next few paragraphs.

Once a new wallet is released and things are stabilized, hopefully things will begin moving in the right direction again. Nobody pulled the plug on this project - the wind was taken out of altcoin sails, the people with the checkbooks became less interested, This is the first anyone is hearing about this, last we heard everything was gung ho! you remember the impending releases? you remember the las vegas party in march that's "still on"? the community grew impatient and demanding while only a select few did anything to contribute, WOW okay there bud, this won't fly at all. the community became impatient? what after 6 months of holding hands and singing kumbaya? no one did anything to contribute, have you READ all of the rainbows and sunshine that was the first 150 pages of this thread? what gall to claim otherwise. perhaps it's ignorance as you've honestly not read any of it, i'd believe that. and people had lives they needed to get back to. Unfortunately, businesses fail. Yes, they fail without warning, and then flee in the night before anyone notices they were gone, you know "professionals". And i'd still love to know what "business" was being run here exactly, because again, there hasn't been one lick of proof about anything with this coin. Fortunately, worst-case scenario we can open source everything that has been done and through a community effort build something good in the crypto-world (even if that would make it no longer exclusive to OctoCoin... surely it would increase exposure considerably and help it to stand out from the wasteland of failed altcoins and crap).

Being a crypto developer is a thankless nightmare - I received death threats when Bill Murray didn't officially endorse Murraycoin (a promise I never even made - I was 100% transparent the entire time) - it's truly a bummer. People want to get rich quick and very few people are willing to put any effort into it. Wait, i thought this was a business run by professionals, so who exactly isn't "willing to put any effort into it?" last i checked this coin had an army of loyal soldiers at it's back for half a year. And again, you can stop trying to paint us like impatient children, 6 months of bliss, infact quite the opposite of the reality you're fantasizing. I was lucky enough to get Brian on board with Murraycoin because he is kicking ass and taking names getting the word out and putting an amazing level of effort into pushing it to the next level. Honestly, just creating awareness is half the battle. Every time I decide to get involved in a crypto project to bail everybody out I regret it. Things take time and talented people are in-demand and busy. There isn't a lot of money in this market right now - I'm staying minimally involved with bitcoin, Murraycoin, and 888 - and while I fully intend to increase my involvement in the near future, I simply have other priorities at this moment. So are you an investor like all of us? or are you a dev?

People wonder why I don't post or don't respond to PMs Buddy, you haven't responded to one question of merit that i've seen so far, why you do this i'll never know, but i do know what you've been doing, is actively avoiding any questions put to you, forget? i'll give you a refresher: What is your relation to the devs, what "situation" happened that everyone left without any of us being notified, what is your association with the Alliance of Angels who claim to have never heard of you, and most importantly, what were your multiple conference calls with the "octocoin devs" about? cause again, we've been given nothing, and now you're attacking us for being so needy. - I get dozens and dozens of private messages every week and, frankly, most people suck. Everything has been hammered across the altcoin board and this is a volatile, hostile environment that I personally grew tired of being involved with. This is not a lucrative position to be in. The original OctoCoin dev team still holds all of the premine/etc. I have over 2,000,000 OctoCoins personally - there is financial incentive to move this thing forward, of course, but from the minute I was officially contracted to assist with this project Really? this is news to everyone here. so you've been on for several months? or they passed the torch to you as they were abandoning ship? because in the latter case you knowing that the project is dissolving without telling anyone is fucking awful, and if this was a regulated market you'd be in jail because if it. I have suggested we distance ourselves from this place (bitcointalk) as much as possible. Yeah, distance yourself from the army of loving community members who go to bat for this coin at every opportunity (before it was apparent that we'd all just been scammed that is), and who have asked so little from the devs, that octocoin has been getting away with showing us nothing, zilch, nada since it launched, and we defend it still. There are some great people here and I've had some great conversations with many of them over my time here but, for the most part, it's a bunch of greedy kids with bad attitudes and it's certainly no place to grow roots for a business. You're kidding me right? you're really good at twisting facts and logic around your pre-determined narritive, i think you missed your calling, fox news could be hiring. Most of you have no idea how a business works Yeah i know how a business works, ask people to pre-order your product, then string them along with an elaborate series of promises without EVER showing ANYTHING, and then leave in the middle of the night. you know: "business". - let alone attempting work/life balance - I have a family, friends, a very demanding job, Nobody else has any sort of balance they have to worry about in their life, it's actually just you, thanks again for talking down to us like we're simpletons. gee you mean you have a job AND a family? *does triple take* and I got into crypto-currency because it was a fun hobby! Yes I was hoping to make a profit - who wouldn't? As soon as it stopped being fun, I started losing motivation. I think you mean it stopped becoming fun for you once everyone else started to realise what you'd obviously known for a while, that octocoin was circling the drain. Very few good developers hang around long in this world because everybody wants instant gratification - they will tear everything down if it isn't built fast enough for them. You're just embarrassing yourself at this point, what is this the 4th time you've alluded to us as spoiled children? 6 MONTHS IS A FUCKING ETERNITY IN CRYPTO, WE GOT NOTHING, AND WE DID NOTHING BUT SMILE. They see dollar signs and those dollar signs quickly turn into blind rage - it's insane. you're insane, you're fantasizing an alternate reality. I will have no part of it. Except be the dev/a dev/some important guy shhh hush hush "person in the know" I'm obviously sticking with the projects I have committed to but they will progress at my pace and information will be broadcast 1-way in a new venue. You guys can sit in here tearing yourselves apart if you think that is the best way to get things back on track but I refuse to get involved.we're not tearing ourselves apart, all we want is a select few answers from you. you've answered none of them, then acted like you're above doing so because of the fallout from you avoiding all questioning. you act gentry but just because you're wearing a monocle and going "HARUMPS, WELL I NEVER!" don't make you a gentleman. you can cut the act. When I saw the direction things were going, I shook my head and got back to my life. You mean when you noticed that we were catching onto the fact that there probably hasn't been an active octocoin dev for months, you knew what was happening, but you said nothing and left. VERY gentlemanly.  Like I said, when I can put together an organized timeline and make an official statement on things I'm happy to do it but I've worked my ass off for you guys in so many ways you'll never understand again, heresay, no proof, no anything, just lip service, we should be thanking you? for WHAT? MAKE US UNDERSTAND! TELL US ONE THING. and I've lost thousands of dollars in the process.

So the show goes on... and I will continue to help move things forward behind-the-scenes... but on my own terms. so you'll be some kind of secretive behind the scenes player who tells the investors nothing? gotcha, sounds new. Keep in mind, Murraycoin has been my project from the start and OctoCoin simply became something I got involved (or over my head?) in so Murraycoin takes priority. I'm not bailing this thing out on my own - we have real developers involved Who? you know something? spill it.  but we need some decent people to supplement things because this cannot be a full-time job for any of us (and it's looking like it never will be). The only winners in this market right now are the ones who create scams and hide behind false identities. zzzzzzzz, thanks for the crypto lesson, we had not idea this was a thing. I never once hid who I was because I am an honest person with good intentions. if you're an honest person, then answer the questions that hve been put to you, if you have good intentions, then answer the questions that have been put to you I don't regret getting involved in this project but I'd be lying if I said it didn't make me sad to see how this is unfolding. I'm not going to lie - my primary motivation was to protect my investment - but I honestly do care about ensuring the integrity of OctoCoin as much as possible while also protecting the investments of people in this with me.

As for the people harassing my elderly parents who called me yesterday, a police report has been filed. Obviously there isn't a lot that can be done if calls are coming from outside the US but every single incident will be reported to the authorities (I can't believe this is happening - it's beyond pathetic). Over the following few weeks, I will reach out to a number of you to get you inside the inner-circle and involved in our Slack discussions. ENOUGH! no more inner-circle bullshit, none of us are buying it. we've heard this same rhetoric for 8 months now. tell us something, or don't. but stop pretending that the right way forward is more secretive behind-the-scenes nonsense.There is a lot of positive stuff happening despite what's going on over here because we have literally been ignoring it once it degraded into 5th grade recess. 5th time you've called us children. also WHAT IS 'ALOT OF POSITIVE STUFF' that's been happening??? oh man, if only i was apart of the 'inner-circle' cause THEN i'd know the REAL truth lol If you don't hear from me within 3 weeks and feel you were unfairly overlooked, shoot me a PM and I will review your history. Perhaps we can appoint some people to be the messengers/etc but I'm done with this forum. I work 18 hours/day and sleep 3 hours/night - I've been on this planet for 31 years and the only death threats I have ever received have been from crypto-currency people. Maybe someday I'll finally learn how foolish it is to offer my help when it's needed. Maybe someday I'll learn that nothing that involves strangers on the Internet is ever going to be a fun hobby. Regardless, this entire situation is bullshit. An adult venue is required with constructive input and people willing to do their part if we're going to get this thing on track. Maybe it should start with you acting like an adult and addressing the questions and concerns that you've purposely avoided? how can you call for a "return to civility" when you won't be civil with us? We need people who understand marketing, allure, possess common sense, and are willing to put in at least some effort. You guys are like one giant wrecking ball. whoa this guy loves heaping on the compliments, seems like you're very interested in focusing blame on us, you know the people who know nothing, and have no power or control over any of this. yeah, it's our fault.

To summarize: we'll get there... but I'm done with this forum.

to summarize:

What is your relation to the devs, what "situation" happened that everyone left without any of us being notified, what is your association with the Alliance of Angels who claim to have never heard of you, and most importantly, what were your multiple conference calls with the "octocoin devs" about?

and as a bonus question, how long did you know about the imminent collapse of octocoin whole telling no one?

[langvad]

Agree 100% here with djslick! If the devs were legit, why not write in this forum what was wrong and what had happened??

I have invested in Nautiluscoin too, and I am much more calm in regards to Brian Kelly and what he is trying to do, as he has done alot of work and thoughts on "his" coin. I think if people here in the 888 community got some knowledge instead of being called childish and so on, then there wouldn´t be all this! I am not rich either so it would have been nice to get some info on plans and setbacks etc. The word scammers comes to mind to people in here, because of lack of giving us something to believe in, which is the devs responsibility as I see it.
I said it before and I will say it again, as soon as this gets on bittrex again (if ever) I am out with my 500k, maybe just maybe I will keep 100k, just to see if by any chance it could get reversed and something good could happen.
What bholzer wrote, did not secure my thoughts of this coin being a good investment, there´s a reason people in here are very sceptical and the lack of interest in us, the investors, from the devs are imo. what has driven most people to react like they/I do now:(

And of course for the record, death threats or any threats are not cool but i understand why people are frustrated though!

[BeardedCouncil]

Over the following few weeks, I will reach out to a number of you to get you inside the inner-circle and involved in our Slack discussions. There is a lot of positive stuff happening despite what's going on over here because we have literally been ignoring it once it degraded into 5th grade recess. If you don't hear from me within 3 weeks and feel you were unfairly overlooked, shoot me a PM and I will review your history. Perhaps we can appoint some people to be the messengers/etc but I'm done with this forum.

bholzer, I think what you've written here (quoted) would make the most difference. Hopefully you haven't just posted, hopefully you're still reading the thread (as it is currently the only place to talk about 888).

Ignoring the '5th Graders' (and by proxy everyone else) leads to more ignorance, educating them with information makes everyone smarter. It's one thing to say 'I think all of these people are idiots' and ignoring them, it's an entirely different thing to 'thinking some of these people are idiots' and ignoring all of them regardless.

What the coin needs is community relations that don't label anyone as an idiot, or 10 year old, or un-business savvy, even if they think it. I can understand your frustration but remember those who post in this forum aren't necessarily the same pillocks that make death threats or harass your family. There are thousands (guessing) of people vested in Octo and only a handful actively use this forum.

The sooner someone (and yes I'm volunteering) is updated with all of the info the sooner someone can start explaining/updating the community, whether it's here or on a stand alone forum. I have a large tolerance for arguing discussing things with strangers on the internet and am aware of the potential need to withhold certain info but the majority of news, whether good or bad is best aired. I can understand a lack of willingness to engage confrontationally on behalf of Octo, but someone will need to, and the sooner the better. And the only thing that will give someone the ability to do so is being informed. I'd suggest getting one or two people fully in the loop asap so they can take over community relations and free up coin devs to do just that, develop the coin. (This would be best done before Bittrex goes live again, there will be a dump, but better community communication will soften the dump).

I made a very similar offer by email to the Devs a number of months back when shooting them an email about 'community tensions', they did then come to the forums and made a post, (needless to say my offer wasn't acknowledged).

If this interests you please drop me a PM so we can arrange a skype conversation (so I'm no longer a 'stranger on the internet').

As it stands we've all lost thousand of £'s (or $ if you prefer) and the only way to avoid that being the end of the story is to start communicating with each other, to write a new chapter if you like.

[djslick]

i don't think bholzer knows a damned thing. re reading his little opus only reinforces the fact that this is all a huge scam. he had like 10 paragraphs to say something and instead ONCE AGAIN absolutely no information was released. it was another "wag the dog" exercise, where out of it, the effect it's having is that people are now clamboring to become apart of this inner circle bullshit nonsense.

the TL;DR of his post says:

sutff is happening that i can't tell you about
stuff happened that i can't tell you about
maybe if you're special i'll tell you about it
you're all children
i know stuff that you don't nyah nyah
you're all pathetic children
i do so much that no one knows about, and i won't tell you what any of those things are
you're all impatient and expect too much
i was directly involved in octocoin before it crashed, i watched all the devs pick up and leave and i told no one anything
you're all unreasonable to expect anything, you all don't know how business works.
i've been secretive, non forthcoming, i've hidden any and all information about this coin, and continue to do so
you should all trust me and some random secret other dev to rebuild the wallet
i've been directly involved with the devs/as a dev during this coin's complete and utter collapse
it's all your fault for the coin collapsing because you're all impatient children who don't know how business works.

did i miss anything?

[venlo]

is this coin trashed too?

... i am down to 5 altcoins worth investing in. 99% has failed last 12 months. WTF are you still doing here? Try to destruct more recources?

[lifeforcepools]

so - are we at a point yet where the community chips in an get a professional developer to take over the coin. I have someone ready in the wing and an willing to put up .5 btc to get started. I think another .5 btc would cover his time and work and we can get this coin moving again - at least from a trading standpoint.

[LeFiste]

I'm still laughing about the statement "the community got greedy"...oh my god...as if this community was the cause for the downfall of OctoCoin...we bought all the dumps, we spent our hashing power...all we asked for was a little communication...everyone was preparing to invest more and hold...Now we are to blame? NO F-WORD WAY! If a business fails, it's nearly always the fault of the ones running it! And just so you know...my business is running for 12 years now, and I ain't no little script-kiddie. BHolzer you sound pretty arrogant for a 31 year old!

But you are right about the personal threats...that's not acceptable! Whoever did this: stop it!

[frameLAlife]

I'm still laughing about the statement "the community got greedy"...oh my god...as if this community was the cause for the downfall of OctoCoin...we bought all the dumps, we spent our hashing power...all we asked for was a little communication...everyone was preparing to invest more and hold...Now we are to blame? NO F-WORD WAY! If a business fails, it's nearly always the fault of the ones running it! And just so you know...my business is running for 12 years now, and I ain't no little script-kiddie. BHolzer you sound pretty arrogant for a 31 year old!

But you are right about the personal threats...that's not acceptable! Whoever did this: stop it!

I will agree with most of this. You cannot bash the community on the actions or words of very few. Most here have been very patient with little to no interaction from the devs. We have bought all the dumps because we kept believing what they were saying. If anyone, I have definitely stayed positive and tried to be a voice of reason. I have tried to support the devs.

But at some point, the devs have to realize, without transparency and interaction, people get a little uppity about their money.

I understand that and I do not invest what I cannot afford to lose.

But at the end of the day dammit, if i'm giving you money and support to a project, you need to be giving me at least some updates. At least some screenshots. At least some private viewings for at least some people in the community. At least some type of closed beta.

8 months in and we have not had any of this, better yet interaction from the devs who leave us hanging while the coin is at risk of being delisted from Bittrex.

C'mon, you cannot put all of this on the community. This WAS one of the best behaved threads on bitcointalk. We kept the bitching at a minimum and tried to keep a positive light on the coin and the devs based on FAITH that something was coming to us.

We don't ask for much and we have been here showing support and policing the naysayers here since launch.

I don't give a damn what anyone says, I have done nothing but show support.

Many say the whole Bholzer thing proves this is just a scam or a waste of time. Even after Bholzer comes back I still DEFEND him and the devs in hopes that they are truly doing something.

So people should slow their roll and think about that when judging this community.

Even the ones who have been a little negative, still pale in comparison to other boards. And most of them are long time posters on Octo thread. Its not like they just showed up screaming scam. They are worried about their money and pissed at the actions of the devs.

While I chose not to take that route, when everyone just up and disappears, wtf are we supposed to do?

I mean, c'mon, that makes no fucking sense.

I just want something good to come out of this. We have wasted almost a goddamn year while other coins have fucking taken what little interest Octocoin had and ran with it.

Hell at this point, if something isn't turned around, then the community taking it over is the only option. Even that is a major uphill battle and doesn't guarantee we recoup our money. But it does give use the chance to at least do something.

I just wish these dudes would release something and fix this. I don't want all my months of positivity to be for nothing and then the ones who were saying it was pointless are RIGHT. If so, then you just proved all the naysayers right.

They will continue saying it's a scam or a worthless project.

I don't know what all the answers are but I do know that the way it's been here isn't the right way to run things.

And there are plenty of people here who are hard workers, business owners and do great things in their life. We ain't fucking stupid. We are not kids. We are just people who supported something and so far have nothing in return.

I'm about done posting here. I think I've said and done all I can do.

I'll be watching. Let's see what happens.

[SquidsIn]

I have been advised to just make a post in here and see where the discussion goes before escalating the situation or even attempting to have this thread taken down (which I certainly wouldn't want).

Those damn lawyers, they always do that, advise you to go poke the nest a bit more.  Nice veiled threat to have the thread taken down too, good luck with that.  The Coinye thread is still up on BCC.

I'm still laughing about the statement "the community got greedy"...oh my god...as if this community was the cause for the downfall of OctoCoin...we bought all the dumps, we spent our hashing power...all we asked for was a little communication...everyone was preparing to invest more and hold...Now we are to blame? NO F-WORD WAY! If a business fails, it's nearly always the fault of the ones running it! And just so you know...my business is running for 12 years now, and I ain't no little script-kiddie. BHolzer you sound pretty arrogant for a 31 year old!

But you are right about the personal threats...that's not acceptable! Whoever did this: stop it!

If it happened its wrong and we've all condemned it but I seriously doubt there were actually any genuine death threats.  It's simply a very easy way to divert attention.

At this point unless another person or persons came forward and signed a sworn affidavit with documentary evidence proving that they were behind octocoin then I'm fully satisfied in my own mind that there has only ever been one person behind it and that person is bholzer.  I just don't get the denial, it's not as if there will be any consequences in this unregulated space, you tried, you failed, big deal.  Be a man, grow up (instead of projecting your immaturity onto others) own up and move on.  Unless of course you're concerned there may be some retrospective regulation applied.  Now that would be amusing, seeing the man do time for his dishonesty.

Anyway, all of that is irrelevant it's what happens now that matters.  Does this community take over the coin and do something with it? do we "grow up" and wait obediently for bholzer to fix it and wait to be let into the inner circle (not an option for me now, i've been too childish) or do we all hand over our octo to bholzer and start a new cult, Octology? Brocktocoin? anyone?

[wtf_wtf]

I see it like this:

1. If what bholzer wrote is true, he has likely worked really hard on behalf of octocoin, and so, he worked really hard on behalf of us, the people in this community.

2. One problem is, we don’t know if what he said is true.

3. Another problem is, even if it is true this community is upset about developer communication. We are upset that issues with the coin were not shared with us.

So if #1 is true, I would imagine that getting all the crap in this thread is no fun for bholzer. What an unpleasant reward for all his work!

But #2 and #3 are also important.

My point is, it’s important to understand all sides to this. In my opinion, everyone may have just cause to be upset and angry.

As others have mentioned, what’s most important now is where things go from here. I thought BeardedCouncil made a good offer to help communicate with the community better. I hope those in the know take him up on it.

[BeardedCouncil]

As others have mentioned, what’s most important now is where things go from here. I thought BeardedCouncil made a good offer to help communicate with the community better. I hope those in the know take him up on it.

I'll let you know if I hear anything. Until then I'll just be watching.

[SquidsIn]

I see it like this:

1. If what bholzer wrote is true, he has likely worked really hard on behalf of octocoin, and so, he worked really hard on behalf of us, the people in this community.

2. One problem is, we don’t know if what he said is true.

3. Another problem is, even if it is true this community is upset about developer communication. We are upset that issues with the coin were not shared with us.

So if #1 is true, I would imagine that getting all the crap in this thread is no fun for bholzer. What an unpleasant reward for all his work!

But #2 and #3 are also important.

My point is, it’s important to understand all sides to this. In my opinion, everyone may have just cause to be upset and angry.

As others have mentioned, what’s most important now is where things go from here. I thought BeardedCouncil made a good offer to help communicate with the community better. I hope those in the know take him up on it.

There's little evidence that anybody has actually worked hard on this coin.  Unless there are tangible releases imminent of a magnitude which could take altcoins "from basements to skyscrapers" then there is nothing that a competent developer couldn't knock up in a weekend or two.  There are two web pages, a re-branded wallet, a block explorer and a few nodes running.  Most, if not all of that can be done from templates, cut and paste and search and replace.  That is why we've had this whole "Cambrian explosion" event of shitcoins.  Thankfully it seems to be in its final throes and only coins with genuine potential will survive, unfortunately at the moment it appears Octocoin is not destined to be one of them unless this ship can be turned around PDQ.

[Tearz]

you guys should join Pandacoin PND its not wolong's shit coin its a coin with a plan by that i mean this week is going to be a game changer they're coming out with a hybrid fast sync wallet up to 15 to sync the whole block chain and reaching the masses after the update the devs keep you updated and are always online

[mafort1469]

you guys should join Pandacoin PND its not wolong's shit coin its a coin with a plan by that i mean this week is going to be a game changer they're coming out with a hybrid fast sync wallet up to 15 to sync the whole block chain and reaching the masses after the update the devs keep you updated and are always online

what? really?

[syncsam]

I honestly think the whole death threats is a load of crap, to distract everyone from the real issues (if it is true that person/s is deplorable)

and it would be easy for the police to get to the bottom of who started the website

Sponsoring Registrar:GoDaddy.com, LLC (R91-LROR)

who don't accept bitcoin payments, so there should be a paper trail, but I very much doubt they would care

<edit> and I'm guessing I'm one of the  children for asking the hard questions and saying whats on my mind, I happen to hold an air transport pilots licence and have flown multiple thousands of people a year around the word for over a decade, thats how childish I am

[syncsam]

I will add to that I have also have also run businesses both successful and not successful so I know how a business should be conducted and luckily someone at the start of my career took me a side and explained to me what professionalism is

[djslick]

I will add to that I have also have also run businesses both successful and not successful so I know how a business should be conducted and luckily someone at the start of my career took me a side and explained to me what professionalism is

you obviously just have $$$ dollar signs in your eyes, and see only greed, and are impatient, and don't understand how business works.

YOU GUYS! SERIOUSLY! YOU DON'T KNOW HOW BUSINESS WORKS! I'M TOTALLY SERIOUSLY YOU GUYS!

lol. i'm glad to see that real core community is finally all on the same page. I for one vote my 1.6 million shares to bar Bholzer from any future involvement with this coin. I personally know the guy who built the first blackcoin multipool, met him at a bitcoin trade show a couple years back, I even gave him his current nick on IRC "St.GNU". he's a smart cookie, and works really hard. he was putting in 14 hours days getting that pool up and running the first 2 weeks, we were there, in IRC, with him as he was getting us to test beta versions of the database, we'd be up till 4am most nights, it was awesome, definitely the most fun i've had in crypto, because it was REAL. it was black and fucking white. If i could get him on board in any capacity I know what we'd be getting, an actual team member, not a huckster.

We as a community no doubt have no shortage of willing devs to come forward and do something with this coin (for a fair price mind you), but i think that we need to be able to list their full transparent credentials, auditable credentials. If anyone even mentions the idea of "inner circle" "secret devs" etc. they should lose their right to have a say on this coin.

i think that we can all agree on.

[kingscrown]

why dead on bittrex?!

[edric]

Well, it's been a long time since I've poked my head in. I haven't been able to be as on-point as I used to, there's been some big changes in my life. I've been working on a few other projects, though, some of which got completely raped by some of the crazy crap going on with GAW. Pretty sad to see this die, but my schedule has been cleared out for the most part, if you guys are looking to hire someone to get it updated, I've got the knowledge and the tools, and hopefully still a decent reputation

Do let me know.