T20 and T20I cricket prediction and discussion

[erikalui]

I just thought that I would update you guys on the situation here in Australia with our local sports. Its looking like the AFL and NRL will start up soon which is a good sign for the T20 world cup as the AFL have said that they are happy to push their grand final back if they need to. If all goes to plan then we could see the T20 world cup played in October. We are seeing fewer cases here each week but as I have said, winter is just one month away and we could see this change very quickly.

Australia seems to have won the pandemic battle and they announced it as well. So it's good to see that things are getting normal there and by October, everything should be fine as already cases have reduced in most countries after the lock down.

Even Google is looking to play cricket today 

Saw this yesterday and it was fun lol

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[Vishnu.Reang]

Because even T-20 format seems long to me when i look at from Olympic's perspective.

Normally one T-20 world cup takes around 28ish days to finish with 12-16 teams. now imagine you are trying to fit this event in 20 days event which is Olympics. to make matter worse let's say minimum 20 cricket teams participating in Olympics, seems very tight schedule to me, in the end players might want to suicide for sure.

A T20 match takes around 3 hours to complete. Just slightly longer than a football match and therefore I don't think that duration is an issue here. We can have 4 groups of 4 teams each for a total of 16 teams. Each team will play 3 matches during the group phase, with the top ranking team proceeding to the semi-finals. So each team plays a maximum of 5 matches. Entire tournament can be completed in 8-10 days.

[JSRAW]

Because even T-20 format seems long to me when i look at from Olympic's perspective.

Normally one T-20 world cup takes around 28ish days to finish with 12-16 teams. now imagine you are trying to fit this event in 20 days event which is Olympics. to make matter worse let's say minimum 20 cricket teams participating in Olympics, seems very tight schedule to me, in the end players might want to suicide for sure.

A T20 match takes around 3 hours to complete. Just slightly longer than a football match and therefore I don't think that duration is an issue here. We can have 4 groups of 4 teams each for a total of 16 teams. Each team will play 3 matches during the group phase, with the top ranking team proceeding to the semi-finals. So each team plays a maximum of 5 matches. Entire tournament can be completed in 8-10 days.

official time duration is 3 hours but it takes approx 4 hours to finish one game completely.

How about they make this knockout tournament even from start(Group matches) ? If you lost then you are out.

[JohnBitCo]

Man, Just for experiment. i want to see more than 24 team in one T-20 WC, no matter if its economic disaster or not... ICC should go for it.

For Olympics T-10 seems logical to me.  

I would love to see two dozen teams in the T20 World Cup. But then, the ICC would never agree. On paper, they have 16 teams. But 8 of these teams are restricted to the first phase, and only 4 out of the 8 will advance to the proper tournament.

I am not a big fan of T10 format. It is too short for me. I watched the 2019 T10 league on TV and didn't liked it that much. It has nothing for the bowlers. Even T20 is heavily in favor of the batsmen, but T10 is just like a bowler's gas chamber. Why can't we have T20 in the Olympics?

Because even T-20 format seems long to me when i look at from Olympic's perspective.

Normally one T-20 world cup takes around 28ish days to finish with 12-16 teams. now imagine you are trying to fit this event in 20 days event which is Olympics. to make matter worse let's say minimum 20 cricket teams participating in Olympics, seems very tight schedule to me, in the end players might want to suicide for sure.

Why you 20 cricket teams should participate in Olympics ?  Since we have only 8-9 regular playing nations, including 20 teams would mean a lot of boring matches. It would be better if they have a pre-Olympics qualifier and only the top 8 teams qualify for Olympics, if ever the cricket is included in the WC.

[onrise]

Man, Just for experiment. i want to see more than 24 team in one T-20 WC, no matter if its economic disaster or not... ICC should go for it.

For Olympics T-10 seems logical to me.  

I would love to see two dozen teams in the T20 World Cup. But then, the ICC would never agree. On paper, they have 16 teams. But 8 of these teams are restricted to the first phase, and only 4 out of the 8 will advance to the proper tournament.

I am not a big fan of T10 format. It is too short for me. I watched the 2019 T10 league on TV and didn't liked it that much. It has nothing for the bowlers. Even T20 is heavily in favor of the batsmen, but T10 is just like a bowler's gas chamber. Why can't we have T20 in the Olympics?

Because even T-20 format seems long to me when i look at from Olympic's perspective.

Normally one T-20 world cup takes around 28ish days to finish with 12-16 teams. now imagine you are trying to fit this event in 20 days event which is Olympics. to make matter worse let's say minimum 20 cricket teams participating in Olympics, seems very tight schedule to me, in the end players might want to suicide for sure.

Why you 20 cricket teams should participate in Olympics ?  Since we have only 8-9 regular playing nations, including 20 teams would mean a lot of boring matches. It would be better if they have a pre-Olympics qualifier and only the top 8 teams qualify for Olympics, if ever the cricket is included in the WC.

Yes 20 teams would just be too much because top 8 teams would be the best to get some good cricket. Though 20 teams can participate in the pre qualifier and then bring down to 6-8 teams or so depends upon the allocation of time and place of cricket in Olympics. This would happen sooner or later in coming years and we will just have to wait and watch for this event.

[JSRAW]

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@JohnBitCo @onrise

If we want only 8 regular teams for the Olympic then why are we even trying for the Olympics, shouldn't we stick to our usual routine then? Long term goal is " Promote cricket World wide" for this we need participation from new countries as well, ICC and fans can't afford "Boring Match" attitude if they want to promote the cricket, like it or not but its part of the deal.

[Vishnu.Reang]

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@JohnBitCo @onrise

If we want only 8 regular teams for the Olympic then why are we even trying for the Olympics, shouldn't we stick to our usual routine then? Long term goal is " Promote cricket World wide" for this we need participation from new countries as well, ICC and fans can't afford "Boring Match" attitude if they want to promote the cricket, like it or not but its part of the deal.

I would agree with you about this "boring match" argument. Some of the most boring matches that I have watched involved two test playing nations. On the other hand, some of the most exciting matches involved one associate nation playing against one of the test playing nations. The defeat of West Indies during the 1996 World Cup to Kenya is still fresh in my mind. I was a small kid back then, and I was amazed by the Kenyan performance.

That said, Olympics doesn't allow too many automatic qualification slots. At the most, they may allow direct entry for 4 teams. That means that the remaining test nations need to play qualifiers and I don't think that the ICC will agree to this.

[Indymoney]

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@JohnBitCo @onrise

If we want only 8 regular teams for the Olympic then why are we even trying for the Olympics, shouldn't we stick to our usual routine then? Long term goal is " Promote cricket World wide" for this we need participation from new countries as well, ICC and fans can't afford "Boring Match" attitude if they want to promote the cricket, like it or not but its part of the deal.

I would agree with you about this "boring match" argument. Some of the most boring matches that I have watched involved two test playing nations. On the other hand, some of the most exciting matches involved one associate nation playing against one of the test playing nations. The defeat of West Indies during the 1996 World Cup to Kenya is still fresh in my mind. I was a small kid back then, and I was amazed by the Kenyan performance.

That said, Olympics doesn't allow too many automatic qualification slots. At the most, they may allow direct entry for 4 teams. That means that the remaining test nations need to play qualifiers and I don't think that the ICC will agree to this.

Right now ICC will not involve in any talk like this because now most of time they talk about increasing money and they are generating some godo amount from current events so Olympics is not in agenda of their talk so I don't think we are going to have like this in near future even its not bad at all this could be very good for many countries to bring in this cricket circle.

[JohnBitCo]

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@JohnBitCo @onrise

If we want only 8 regular teams for the Olympic then why are we even trying for the Olympics, shouldn't we stick to our usual routine then? Long term goal is " Promote cricket World wide" for this we need participation from new countries as well, ICC and fans can't afford "Boring Match" attitude if they want to promote the cricket, like it or not but its part of the deal.

I would agree with you about this "boring match" argument. Some of the most boring matches that I have watched involved two test playing nations. On the other hand, some of the most exciting matches involved one associate nation playing against one of the test playing nations. The defeat of West Indies during the 1996 World Cup to Kenya is still fresh in my mind. I was a small kid back then, and I was amazed by the Kenyan performance.

That said, Olympics doesn't allow too many automatic qualification slots. At the most, they may allow direct entry for 4 teams. That means that the remaining test nations need to play qualifiers and I don't think that the ICC will agree to this.

When you talk about cricket, the  term boring refers to the small teams or players which are unknown or did not belong to the Top 8 teams.
For example, If there are two T20 matches being played simultaneously between Aus Vs India and  USA Vs Canada , you will find everyone will be watching the first match even though it is a one sided one and the 2nd might be a thriller in terms of balls/run required.

[Indymoney]

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@JohnBitCo @onrise

If we want only 8 regular teams for the Olympic then why are we even trying for the Olympics, shouldn't we stick to our usual routine then? Long term goal is " Promote cricket World wide" for this we need participation from new countries as well, ICC and fans can't afford "Boring Match" attitude if they want to promote the cricket, like it or not but its part of the deal.

I would agree with you about this "boring match" argument. Some of the most boring matches that I have watched involved two test playing nations. On the other hand, some of the most exciting matches involved one associate nation playing against one of the test playing nations. The defeat of West Indies during the 1996 World Cup to Kenya is still fresh in my mind. I was a small kid back then, and I was amazed by the Kenyan performance.

That said, Olympics doesn't allow too many automatic qualification slots. At the most, they may allow direct entry for 4 teams. That means that the remaining test nations need to play qualifiers and I don't think that the ICC will agree to this.

When you talk about cricket, the  term boring refers to the small teams or players which are unknown or did not belong to the Top 8 teams.
For example, If there are two T20 matches being played simultaneously between Aus Vs India and  USA Vs Canada , you will find everyone will be watching the first match even though it is a one sided one and the 2nd might be a thriller in terms of balls/run required.

This is fact because its happen many times in cricket I remember in 1992 world cup first match between Pakistan vs West Indies this was really bore match but on other hand Sri Lanka vs Zimbabwae was one of best matches in world cup but most of peoples was watching just bore match.

[Vishnu.Reang]

When you talk about cricket, the  term boring refers to the small teams or players which are unknown or did not belong to the Top 8 teams.
For example, If there are two T20 matches being played simultaneously between Aus Vs India and  USA Vs Canada , you will find everyone will be watching the first match even though it is a one sided one and the 2nd might be a thriller in terms of balls/run required.

This argument is flawed. For example, lets assume that two matches are taking place at the same time. Both of them involve test playing nations and no associate sides. The first one is between India and Australia, and the second one is between Sri Lanka and Zimbabwe. Do you really think that the TRP for the second match will be any higher than a USA vs Canada match?

And when talking about associates, I don't want to include teams such as USA, Canada, Hong Kong, UAE.etc. Because these teams don't have a single citizen playing for them. They are like India B or Pakistan B teams. The real associates are Scotland, Netherlands, Nepal, PNG, Namibia, Kenya.etc. And trust me, the associate nations can produce players who can become crowd favorites. During the 1999 World Cup, it was the turn of Gavin Hamilton and Steve Tikolo. In 2003, it was Collins Obuya and John Davison. Then again in 2007, it was Boyd Rankin. 

[ene1980]

Its not that ICC don't want this. But some cricket board has their eyes on short-term benefits, call it short sighted attitude. (ECB-BCCI)

The reason might be financial reasons and diverting the normal schedule for the Olympics which is financial not beneficial for the cricket boards and the ICC.

As far as i know football in the Olympic is not big thing per se because majority of the players are required to be under 23 age. if this happens with cricket then its not real deal IMO. Schedule and dividing groups are open to discussion, they are more than capable of handling this issue so its not a big deal

If cricket becomes an Olympic sport then we must expect these sort of restrictions , usually they never allowed professional athletes to compete but right now those restrictions are removed but still we expect there will be some sort of restrictions like football.

[pakhitheboss]

When you talk about cricket, the  term boring refers to the small teams or players which are unknown or did not belong to the Top 8 teams.
For example, If there are two T20 matches being played simultaneously between Aus Vs India and  USA Vs Canada , you will find everyone will be watching the first match even though it is a one sided one and the 2nd might be a thriller in terms of balls/run required.

This argument is flawed. For example, lets assume that two matches are taking place at the same time. Both of them involve test playing nations and no associate sides. The first one is between India and Australia, and the second one is between Sri Lanka and Zimbabwe. Do you really think that the TRP for the second match will be any higher than a USA vs Canada match?

And when talking about associates, I don't want to include teams such as USA, Canada, Hong Kong, UAE.etc. Because these teams don't have a single citizen playing for them. They are like India B or Pakistan B teams. The real associates are Scotland, Netherlands, Nepal, PNG, Namibia, Kenya.etc. And trust me, the associate nations can produce players who can become crowd favorites. During the 1999 World Cup, it was the turn of Gavin Hamilton and Steve Tikolo. In 2003, it was Collins Obuya and John Davison. Then again in 2007, it was Boyd Rankin. 

TRP depends upon views generated from a particular country. Both in I dia and Australia cricket is more watched than any other game therefore it is obvious TRP will be high. For Srilanka and Zimbabwe I am sure most srilankan will watch the match but I doubt Zimbabwe.

[JSRAW]

Its not that ICC don't want this. But some cricket board has their eyes on short-term benefits, call it short sighted attitude. (ECB-BCCI)

The reason might be financial reasons and diverting the normal schedule for the Olympics which is financial not beneficial for the cricket boards and the ICC.

I can understand financial implication if ICC/Bilateral's series schedule clashing with the Olympics. But they can easily manage schedule as Olympics comes after 4 years and 2-3 weeks window is not too much.

As far as i know football in the Olympic is not big thing per se because majority of the players are required to be under 23 age. if this happens with cricket then its not real deal IMO. Schedule and dividing groups are open to discussion, they are more than capable of handling this issue so its not a big deal

If cricket becomes an Olympic sport then we must expect these sort of restrictions , usually they never allowed professional athletes to compete but right now those restrictions are removed but still we expect there will be some sort of restrictions like football.

I guess so, last year i read a report on this and if my memory serves me well then IOC was hinting that they would like to see regular national teams in the event.

[SaShiRaJaVu]

But they can easily manage schedule as Olympics comes after 4 years and 2-3 weeks window is not too much.

If the ICC or the national cricket boards say they are representing the country then they should find a solution as this is the best opportunity for several countries to win a medal at the Olympics especially India, Pakistan, Sri Lanka, Afghanistan who have not won many medals in a global event like Olympics . The truth is that the fans are patriotic but the cricket boards are business oriented.

[Indymoney]

But they can easily manage schedule as Olympics comes after 4 years and 2-3 weeks window is not too much.

If the ICC or the national cricket boards say they are representing the country then they should find a solution as this is the best opportunity for several countries to win a medal at the Olympics especially India, Pakistan, Sri Lanka, Afghanistan who have not won many medals in a global event like Olympics . The truth is that the fans are patriotic but the cricket boards are business oriented.

This all sounds very good for talk but in fact its not easy because its not going to help in finances so surely ICC and few Cricket Boards will not like this all because they need money and they have no interest in any medal for country some time ago we have talk like this but its dropped as so may be we will not hear any good news about this in near future as well.

[Juggy777]

Its not that ICC don't want this. But some cricket board has their eyes on short-term benefits, call it short sighted attitude. (ECB-BCCI)

The reason might be financial reasons and diverting the normal schedule for the Olympics which is financial not beneficial for the cricket boards and the ICC.

I can understand financial implication if ICC/Bilateral's series schedule clashing with the Olympics. But they can easily manage schedule as Olympics comes after 4 years and 2-3 weeks window is not too much.

As far as i know football in the Olympic is not big thing per se because majority of the players are required to be under 23 age. if this happens with cricket then its not real deal IMO. Schedule and dividing groups are open to discussion, they are more than capable of handling this issue so its not a big deal

If cricket becomes an Olympic sport then we must expect these sort of restrictions , usually they never allowed professional athletes to compete but right now those restrictions are removed but still we expect there will be some sort of restrictions like football.

I guess so, last year i read a report on this and if my memory serves me well then IOC was hinting that they would like to see regular national teams in the event.

I remembered that last year there were talks about Cricket being included in the 2028 Olympics and initially BCCI was not at all keen, but later on it seemed that BCCI had a change of heart and was open to sending a team for the Olympics. However I can’t find any more information about what happened after the initial discussions took place, hence we all will have to wait for quiet a while now before we get any official update from BCCI regarding the Olympics situation.

Source:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/tristanlavalette/2019/08/14/cricket-set-to-be-included-in-2028-los-angeles-olympics/#6fc5b6e319af

[JSRAW]

But they can easily manage schedule as Olympics comes after 4 years and 2-3 weeks window is not too much.

If the ICC or the national cricket boards say they are representing the country then they should find a solution as this is the best opportunity for several countries to win a medal at the Olympics especially India, Pakistan, Sri Lanka, Afghanistan who have not won many medals in a global event like Olympics . The truth is that the fans are patriotic but the cricket boards are business oriented.

Exactly, Sub-continent sucks there so its reasonable chance to win some brownies.

@Indymoney There might be some merit on your argument but in long term Olympic is going to add new audience and its good for ICC or Cricket financially.

@Juggy777 yeah, process is bit slow but its moving forward for sure.

[JohnBitCo]

Man, Just for experiment. i want to see more than 24 team in one T-20 WC, no matter if its economic disaster or not... ICC should go for it.

For Olympics T-10 seems logical to me. 

I would love to see two dozen teams in the T20 World Cup. But then, the ICC would never agree. On paper, they have 16 teams. But 8 of these teams are restricted to the first phase, and only 4 out of the 8 will advance to the proper tournament.

I am not a big fan of T10 format. It is too short for me. I watched the 2019 T10 league on TV and didn't liked it that much. It has nothing for the bowlers. Even T20 is heavily in favor of the batsmen, but T10 is just like a bowler's gas chamber. Why can't we have T20 in the Olympics?

Coming back to this T10 game format, it is surely a bowling nightmare but they should change the rules for T10. There should be only 5 batsmen allowed in T10 instead of 10 and this will bring some interest in the game and it will not be like blind hitting like in baseball.

[BitSat19]

Man, Just for experiment. i want to see more than 24 team in one T-20 WC, no matter if its economic disaster or not... ICC should go for it.

For Olympics T-10 seems logical to me. 

I would love to see two dozen teams in the T20 World Cup. But then, the ICC would never agree. On paper, they have 16 teams. But 8 of these teams are restricted to the first phase, and only 4 out of the 8 will advance to the proper tournament.

I am not a big fan of T10 format. It is too short for me. I watched the 2019 T10 league on TV and didn't liked it that much. It has nothing for the bowlers. Even T20 is heavily in favor of the batsmen, but T10 is just like a bowler's gas chamber. Why can't we have T20 in the Olympics?

Coming back to this T10 game format, it is surely a bowling nightmare but they should change the rules for T10. There should be only 5 batsmen allowed in T10 instead of 10 and this will bring some interest in the game and it will not be like blind hitting like in baseball.

If they think about this all then surely with current system T-10 is really good for Olympics because its really interesting and any team can produce any result surely we will able to have few big upsets going with 5 batsmen is not ideal as full team format is also not bad at all.