T20 and T20I cricket prediction and discussion

[vella85]

Man, Just for experiment. i want to see more than 24 team in one T-20 WC, no matter if its economic disaster or not... ICC should go for it.

For Olympics T-10 seems logical to me. 

I would love to see two dozen teams in the T20 World Cup. But then, the ICC would never agree. On paper, they have 16 teams. But 8 of these teams are restricted to the first phase, and only 4 out of the 8 will advance to the proper tournament.

I am not a big fan of T10 format. It is too short for me. I watched the 2019 T10 league on TV and didn't liked it that much. It has nothing for the bowlers. Even T20 is heavily in favor of the batsmen, but T10 is just like a bowler's gas chamber. Why can't we have T20 in the Olympics?

Coming back to this T10 game format, it is surely a bowling nightmare but they should change the rules for T10. There should be only 5 batsmen allowed in T10 instead of 10 and this will bring some interest in the game and it will not be like blind hitting like in baseball.

If they think about this all then surely with current system T-10 is really good for Olympics because its really interesting and any team can produce any result surely we will able to have few big upsets going with 5 batsmen is not ideal as full team format is also not bad at all.

I actually like this format as I think it gives all teams even the lower ranked teams a chance at winning against the top teams as anything can happen in 10 overs so I really like the idea. Yes I agree that it will be tough on the bowlers but that was the same when T20 started, the good bowlers will learn to adapt to the game just like they did for T20 and in time I'm sure it will even out.

[pakhitheboss]

Man, Just for experiment. i want to see more than 24 team in one T-20 WC, no matter if its economic disaster or not... ICC should go for it.

For Olympics T-10 seems logical to me. 

I would love to see two dozen teams in the T20 World Cup. But then, the ICC would never agree. On paper, they have 16 teams. But 8 of these teams are restricted to the first phase, and only 4 out of the 8 will advance to the proper tournament.

I am not a big fan of T10 format. It is too short for me. I watched the 2019 T10 league on TV and didn't liked it that much. It has nothing for the bowlers. Even T20 is heavily in favor of the batsmen, but T10 is just like a bowler's gas chamber. Why can't we have T20 in the Olympics?

Coming back to this T10 game format, it is surely a bowling nightmare but they should change the rules for T10. There should be only 5 batsmen allowed in T10 instead of 10 and this will bring some interest in the game and it will not be like blind hitting like in baseball.

If they think about this all then surely with current system T-10 is really good for Olympics because its really interesting and any team can produce any result surely we will able to have few big upsets going with 5 batsmen is not ideal as full team format is also not bad at all.

I actually like this format as I think it gives all teams even the lower ranked teams a chance at winning against the top teams as anything can happen in 10 overs so I really like the idea. Yes I agree that it will be tough on the bowlers but that was the same when T20 started, the good bowlers will learn to adapt to the game just like they did for T20 and in time I'm sure it will even out.

Yes, there is nothing wrong with this format. If you like big-hitting matches then this format is for you. Nowadays bowler are having tough times in one day and T20 format as well. Pitches are being made to help the batsmen more than bowlers because the crowd loves big sixes and fours.

The best thing about T10 format is that it will not consume half of your day.

[JohnBitCo]

Man, Just for experiment. i want to see more than 24 team in one T-20 WC, no matter if its economic disaster or not... ICC should go for it.

For Olympics T-10 seems logical to me. 

I would love to see two dozen teams in the T20 World Cup. But then, the ICC would never agree. On paper, they have 16 teams. But 8 of these teams are restricted to the first phase, and only 4 out of the 8 will advance to the proper tournament.

I am not a big fan of T10 format. It is too short for me. I watched the 2019 T10 league on TV and didn't liked it that much. It has nothing for the bowlers. Even T20 is heavily in favor of the batsmen, but T10 is just like a bowler's gas chamber. Why can't we have T20 in the Olympics?

Coming back to this T10 game format, it is surely a bowling nightmare but they should change the rules for T10. There should be only 5 batsmen allowed in T10 instead of 10 and this will bring some interest in the game and it will not be like blind hitting like in baseball.

If they think about this all then surely with current system T-10 is really good for Olympics because its really interesting and any team can produce any result surely we will able to have few big upsets going with 5 batsmen is not ideal as full team format is also not bad at all.

I actually like this format as I think it gives all teams even the lower ranked teams a chance at winning against the top teams as anything can happen in 10 overs so I really like the idea. Yes I agree that it will be tough on the bowlers but that was the same when T20 started, the good bowlers will learn to adapt to the game just like they did for T20 and in time I'm sure it will even out.

If you like T10 with full 10 players, then you would also like the Hong Kong Cricket Sixes, where there is six overs side match and you will only find sixes in that tournament. I don't like anything entertainment to see four and sixes of every ball.

[bryant.coleman]

I remembered that last year there were talks about Cricket being included in the 2028 Olympics and initially BCCI was not at all keen, but later on it seemed that BCCI had a change of heart and was open to sending a team for the Olympics. However I can’t find any more information about what happened after the initial discussions took place, hence we all will have to wait for quiet a while now before we get any official update from BCCI regarding the Olympics situation.

Source:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/tristanlavalette/2019/08/14/cricket-set-to-be-included-in-2028-los-angeles-olympics/#6fc5b6e319af

These are delaying tactics from the part of the BCCI and the ICC. They have zero interest in the inclusion of cricket in the Olympics. But they can't openly state this, because most of the fans want the sport to be included. So for the past 10-12 years, they are giving excuse after excuse. I remember in 2011 or 2012, some of the ICC officials saying that they will try to include cricket in 2020 Olympics. Now after a decade, they are saying that they will go for the 2028 edition. After one more decade, we'll see them claiming that they are trying to get cricket included for the 2040 Olympic games.

[mersal]

I remembered that last year there were talks about Cricket being included in the 2028 Olympics and initially BCCI was not at all keen, but later on it seemed that BCCI had a change of heart and was open to sending a team for the Olympics. However I can’t find any more information about what happened after the initial discussions took place, hence we all will have to wait for quiet a while now before we get any official update from BCCI regarding the Olympics situation.

Source:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/tristanlavalette/2019/08/14/cricket-set-to-be-included-in-2028-los-angeles-olympics/#6fc5b6e319af

These are delaying tactics from the part of the BCCI and the ICC. They have zero interest in the inclusion of cricket in the Olympics. But they can't openly state this, because most of the fans want the sport to be included. So for the past 10-12 years, they are giving excuse after excuse. I remember in 2011 or 2012, some of the ICC officials saying that they will try to include cricket in 2020 Olympics. Now after a decade, they are saying that they will go for the 2028 edition. After one more decade, we'll see them claiming that they are trying to get cricket included for the 2040 Olympic games.

BCCI will never add cricket into olympics even other cricket boards wanted to BCCI can influence them to stop them getting added because if cricket become a part of Olympics then BCCI is one of the big profits loser from their major tournaments this is the only reason they don't want to be a part of Olympics.

[JohnBitCo]

I remembered that last year there were talks about Cricket being included in the 2028 Olympics and initially BCCI was not at all keen, but later on it seemed that BCCI had a change of heart and was open to sending a team for the Olympics. However I can’t find any more information about what happened after the initial discussions took place, hence we all will have to wait for quiet a while now before we get any official update from BCCI regarding the Olympics situation.

Source:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/tristanlavalette/2019/08/14/cricket-set-to-be-included-in-2028-los-angeles-olympics/#6fc5b6e319af

These are delaying tactics from the part of the BCCI and the ICC. They have zero interest in the inclusion of cricket in the Olympics. But they can't openly state this, because most of the fans want the sport to be included. So for the past 10-12 years, they are giving excuse after excuse. I remember in 2011 or 2012, some of the ICC officials saying that they will try to include cricket in 2020 Olympics. Now after a decade, they are saying that they will go for the 2028 edition. After one more decade, we'll see them claiming that they are trying to get cricket included for the 2040 Olympic games.

BCCI will never add cricket into olympics even other cricket boards wanted to BCCI can influence them to stop them getting added because if cricket become a part of Olympics then BCCI is one of the big profits loser from their major tournaments this is the only reason they don't want to be a part of Olympics.

I think we had enough discussion about Olympics and cricket. Until there is any news about that, there is no point keep discussing , if it is good for the cricket or bad if cricket is included in Olympics.
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Any news of T20 being played anywhere in the world ? Let me know even it is played at any regional level.

[JSRAW]

I checked Abu Dhabi T-10 cricket league's rules and it seems pretty neat, less than 2 hours and match wrapped for good.

- 10 overs for each team, each inning 45 mins.
- Power play for First 4 overs, only 2 players can stay outside 30 yard circle during power play. 1 bowler can bawl only 2 overs
- In case of interruption or rain, minimum 5 overs are required from each team to get the results.

[Vishnu.Reang]

BCCI will never add cricket into olympics even other cricket boards wanted to BCCI can influence them to stop them getting added because if cricket become a part of Olympics then BCCI is one of the big profits loser from their major tournaments this is the only reason they don't want to be a part of Olympics.

Loss of profits may be just one of the many concerns. There are other factors in play as well. Some of them are:

1. Olympic athletes are subjected to drug tests. BCCI has not given approval to this.

2. There will be no automatic qualification for all the 11 test nations. BCCI/ICC is against this.

3. A global tournament such as Olympics can have a negative impact on other ICC tournaments.

4. Only citizens of a particular country can represent it in the Olympic games. This means that UAE, USA.etc can't field teams.

5. It may cause complexities to some of the existing teams. For example, England, Wales, Scotland and N.Ireland will be forced to field a single team (which needs to include other teams such as Bermuda, Anguilla.etc as well). Ireland team will only consist of Republic of Ireland. Northern Ireland players can't play for Ireland.

[JSRAW]

BCCI will never add cricket into olympics even other cricket boards wanted to BCCI can influence them to stop them getting added because if cricket become a part of Olympics then BCCI is one of the big profits loser from their major tournaments this is the only reason they don't want to be a part of Olympics.

Loss of profits may be just one of the many concerns. There are other factors in play as well. Some of them are:

1. Olympic athletes are subjected to drug tests. BCCI has not given approval to this.

2. There will be no automatic qualification for all the 11 test nations. BCCI/ICC is against this.

3. A global tournament such as Olympics can have a negative impact on other ICC tournaments.

4. Only citizens of a particular country can represent it in the Olympic games. This means that UAE, USA.etc can't field teams.

5. It may cause complexities to some of the existing teams. For example, England, Wales, Scotland and N.Ireland will be forced to field a single team (which needs to include other teams such as Bermuda, Anguilla.etc as well). Ireland team will only consist of Republic of Ireland. Northern Ireland players can't play for Ireland.

1- Its resolved, BCCI already bend the knee for the right reasons and working with the NADA. (6 months trial)
2- BCCI-ECB-CA-PCB-CSA /ICC all are against it.
3- ICC and cricket boards has 3-4 year window to reschedule any Bilateral or ICC tournament. Olympics only need 12-20 days.

** Last 2 points has some merits.  

[Vishnu.Reang]

1- Its resolved, BCCI already bend the knee for the right reasons and working with the NADA
2- BCCI-ECB-CA-PCB-CSA /ICC all are against it.
3- ICC and cricket boards has 3-4 year window to reschedule any Bilateral or ICC tournament. Olympics only need 12-20 days.

** Last 2 points has some merits. 

Thanks for this. My information was not up to date. If BCCI is working with NADA, it is great news. Cricket should be free from performance enhancing drugs, and I hope that we are moving in that direction. Yes.. none of the cricket boards will favor qualifying tournaments. I should have said all the 11 test boards plus ICC, rather than saying BCCI/ICC.

Regarding your last point: If cricket is included in the 2028 Olympic games, then I guess it will be similar to football. Only 2-3 regular players will be allowed and the remainder will be U-23 players. So I am not sure whether the ICC tournaments needs to be rescheduled or not. It may affect only a few players.

[Clement Kaliyar]

I checked Abu Dhabi T-10 cricket league's rules and it seems pretty neat, less than 2 hours and match wrapped for good.

- 10 overs for each team, each inning 45 mins.
- Power play for First 4 overs, only 2 players can stay outside 30 yard circle during power play. 1 bowler can bawl only 2 overs
- In case of interruption or rain, minimum 5 overs are required from each team to get the results.

If you are including cricket in Olympics, it is best to introduce T20 than any other format, i am not a fan of the T10 format as you are not able to see the skills of the batsman, just slogging will be the key selection criteria which will not help the game in the long run, Test match is a dying breed because majority of the players like the shorter format and if you introduce cricket to the Olympics then it should be T20.

[JSRAW]

1- Its resolved, BCCI already bend the knee for the right reasons and working with the NADA
2- BCCI-ECB-CA-PCB-CSA /ICC all are against it.
3- ICC and cricket boards has 3-4 year window to reschedule any Bilateral or ICC tournament. Olympics only need 12-20 days.

** Last 2 points has some merits.  

Thanks for this. My information was not up to date. If BCCI is working with NADA, it is great news. Cricket should be free from performance enhancing drugs, and I hope that we are moving in that direction. Yes.. none of the cricket boards will favor qualifying tournaments. I should have said all the 11 test boards plus ICC, rather than saying BCCI/ICC.

Regarding your last point: If cricket is included in the 2028 Olympic games, then I guess it will be similar to football. Only 2-3 regular players will be allowed and the remainder will be U-23 players. So I am not sure whether the ICC tournaments needs to be rescheduled or not. It may affect only a few players.

Yeah on 6 month trial. i covered this in last page.
Not much excited if it happens with the cricket too (Similar to football), already mentioned in the last page...

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if they include cricket then they can follow the same path as football with qualification tournaments and 16 teams with a group stage of 4 group and then a knockout stage. Even if cricket is accepted i do not think that the top teams will send their best team to represent as it will clash with the regular schedule and at best they will send a second string team.

As far as i know football in the Olympic is not big thing per se because majority of the players are required to be under 23 age. if this happens with cricket then its not real deal IMO. Schedule and dividing groups are open to discussion, they are more than capable of handling this issue so its not a big deal.

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If you are including cricket in Olympics, it is best to introduce T20 than any other format, i am not a fan of the T10 format as you are not able to see the skills of the batsman, just slogging will be the key selection criteria which will not help the game in the long run, Test match is a dying breed because majority of the players like the shorter format and if you introduce cricket to the Olympics then it should be T20.

Well if our target is skill then we have clear winner "Test Format".

About T-20, i feel that we are repeating same thing again n again i suggest please check discussion on last page. got nothing new to add.

[Vishnu.Reang]

Well if our target is skill then we have clear winner "Test Format".

About T-20, i feel that we are repeating same thing again n again i suggest please check discussion on last page. got nothing new to add.

No doubt there. Test cricket requires the maximum amount of skill. The batsmen needs both attacking and defending capabilities. They need to rotate the strike. The bowlers need to take wickets at crucial intervals and bowling economically won't help much. All that is true. But for the Olympics, we need the most popular format. And right now, the most popular format in cricket is T20.

[AB de Royse777]

Well if our target is skill then we have clear winner "Test Format".

About T-20, i feel that we are repeating same thing again n again i suggest please check discussion on last page. got nothing new to add.

No doubt there. Test cricket requires the maximum amount of skill. The batsmen needs both attacking and defending capabilities. They need to rotate the strike. The bowlers need to take wickets at crucial intervals and bowling economically won't help much. All that is true. But for the Olympics, we need the most popular format. And right now, the most popular format in cricket is T20.

Well I do not think these days cricketers really focus on being a test player rather than being a T20 hitter. Money is the fuel and money is in short version cricket. Players do not have much patience to play a cricket match for 5 long days unfortunately. Example: We see these days Test matches has results. Very low number of Tests finishes with a draw and lasts five days.

By the way, how are we all doing. I hope everyone is safe and keeping the social distance.

[Vishnu.Reang]

Well I do not think these days cricketers really focus on being a test player rather than being a T20 hitter. Money is the fuel and money is in short version cricket. Players do not have much patience to play a cricket match for 5 long days unfortunately. Example: We see these days Test matches has results. Very low number of Tests finishes with a draw and lasts five days.

It depends on the player. I have seen some of the players retiring from the test and ODI formats, to concentrate on the shorter version. On the other extreme, we have a few, who have retired from T20/ODI and they are now available only for the tests. It is up to the player to make that decision.

By the way, how are we all doing. I hope everyone is safe and keeping the social distance.

Many thanks for your concern Royse. I am doing fine, and I hope the others are doing good as well. Here in India, we are through the 7th week of lockdown. Slight relaxations kick in from today onward. But most of the shops and establishments will remain closed for some time.

[Pffrt]

Example: We see these days Test matches has results. Very low number of Tests finishes with a draw and lasts five days.

More appropriate example is that most players these days take rest from test cricket in their early days of their career. This has been a common issue nowadays and it's being a threat for Test cricket.

[eaLiTy]

Money is the fuel and money is in short version cricket. Players do not have much patience to play a cricket match for 5 long days unfortunately. Example: We see these days Test matches has results. Very low number of Tests finishes with a draw and lasts five days.

The funny aspect is that ICC and BCCI was not even interested with the T20 concept but when they started seeing huge crowds during regional competition the ICC wanted to experiment with T20 and the World cup was introduced and India even sent a young team for the first World Cup resting the main players and then we know the history as T20 is popular than ODI and Test matches.

Test matches are ending within 5 days, do you think it is because the bowlers are spectacular or the batting standard in Test matches have gone down .

By the way, how are we all doing. I hope everyone is safe and keeping the social distance.

I am safe but the number of patients are increasing in my surrounding which is a cause for concern, hope everyone here is safe and doing well.

[Vishnu.Reang]

^^^^ In the sub-continental surfaces, some of the matches are ending up as draw. Climate change is also playing a major part, in the form of rain interruptions. If we could somehow take care of the rain interruptions, then actually it may be possible to limit the test match duration to 4 days. But as of now, there is no solution available for this.

[AB de Royse777]

Test matches are ending within 5 days, do you think it is because the bowlers are spectacular or the batting standard in Test matches have gone down .

I noticed it's the batting unit. Batsman are more aggressive these days and results are wicket falling down quick and run scoring is quick too. Now run scoring is fine but falling wickets quickly means the batsmen are not that patience to stay in the pitch but go, hit and comeback attitude.

These days bowlers are the one who gets the least benefit from wicket and from everything. I think bowlers are better now.

Good to know that you all are doing fine. Stay safe.

[JSRAW]

@Vishnu.Reang You are talking about Test format in sub-continent?

Not sure what year you are talking about but In recent time  Win-loss percentage is much higher than series/match draw. 

Climate change is major concern though, even limited over cricket taking a beat for quite some time.