ODI cricket and general cricketing discussion [self - mod]

[Mahdirakib]

After successfully wining the T20WC it seems the English side doesn't want to do the same for ODIWC. This teams performance in ODI has been going from bad to worst. I understand that South Africa has the home advantage but after scoring 342 runs if the English bowlers are not able to defend this total then their is a big problem that needs to be looked into.  

We shouldn't forget that England has also lost the first match by staying in the winning situation. They had lost their first wickets in 146 runs, then they lost all the remaining wickets in 271 runs. England team record isn't so good under the captaincy of Jos Buttler. They have lost the last 5 ODI matches, where Jos Buttler was the captain in 4 matches. Anyway, these winnings are helping South Africa to get in the top 8 of World Cup Super League table. They will get the 8th rank if they can win the next match. It will help them to qualify directly for the ODI World Cup.

[fuguebtc]

The task of chasing down a total such as that is not easy, especially when you are up against a formidable opponent like England. The team chased a big target thanks to Temba Bavuma's superb century and sealed the series with a game remaining. There has been immense pressure put on Temba, so this is the most appropriate response. South Africa's recovery against the current world champions is great news for international cricket, on which they should be congratulated for their collective effort. The SA bowling line-up should be taken into consideration for winning the series 3-0.

South African cricket has returned excellently. Their bowler was the main mystery behind their series. They bowled well at their home grounds, so they won the series from England. However, many have recently criticized England cricket. They probably moved away from the track. Even if this series may not have to do anything, we will see a clear image in the upcoming series. They have two Test matches in February with the New Zealand team. They will play 3 ODIs and 3 T20 match against Bangladesh at 01 March. We can evaluate their performance ‍at that time.

South Africa has already won the series against England. The ODI series I mean. It was a great performance from the South African team. I can't say that South Africa did well in the bowling department. But when it came down to chasing, they did really well. It was absolutely entertaining to watch them. I did not think that they are going to find success against a team like England. But they have certainly proved me wrong. And I also agree that if South Africa can do well in the bowling department in the next match, they will certainly have a good chance to whitewash England.

[posi]

After successfully wining the T20WC it seems the English side doesn't want to do the same for ODIWC. This teams performance in ODI has been going from bad to worst. I understand that South Africa has the home advantage but after scoring 342 runs if the English bowlers are not able to defend this total then their is a big problem that needs to be looked into.  

We shouldn't forget that England has also lost the first match by staying in the winning situation. They had lost their first wickets in 146 runs, then they lost all the remaining wickets in 271 runs. England team record isn't so good under the captaincy of Jos Buttler. They have lost the last 5 ODI matches, where Jos Buttler was the captain in 4 matches. Anyway, these winnings are helping South Africa to get in the top 8 of World Cup Super League table. They will get the 8th rank if they can win the next match. It will help them to qualify directly for the ODI World Cup.

I do not know if captaincy is the thing to blame. Because I believe a captain is more important in the bowling half. In batting, the team has to do well on individual performances. In the batting half, the players in the middle have to think of everything. And if we look at both matches, I think we will realize that England failed when it came to batting. Especially in the first match. In the second match, England did not bowl well. But that was not a bowling track anyway.

And these winnings are surely helping South Africa a lot. They are finally finding the success that they have been craving for so long.

[romero121]

After successfully wining the T20WC it seems the English side doesn't want to do the same for ODIWC. This teams performance in ODI has been going from bad to worst. I understand that South Africa has the home advantage but after scoring 342 runs if the English bowlers are not able to defend this total then their is a big problem that needs to be looked into.  

We shouldn't forget that England has also lost the first match by staying in the winning situation. They had lost their first wickets in 146 runs, then they lost all the remaining wickets in 271 runs. England team record isn't so good under the captaincy of Jos Buttler. They have lost the last 5 ODI matches, where Jos Buttler was the captain in 4 matches. Anyway, these winnings are helping South Africa to get in the top 8 of World Cup Super League table. They will get the 8th rank if they can win the next match. It will help them to qualify directly for the ODI World Cup.

I do not know if captaincy is the thing to blame. Because I believe a captain is more important in the bowling half. In batting, the team has to do well on individual performances. In the batting half, the players in the middle have to think of everything. And if we look at both matches, I think we will realize that England failed when it came to batting. Especially in the first match. In the second match, England did not bowl well. But that was not a bowling track anyway.

And these winnings are surely helping South Africa a lot. They are finally finding the success that they have been craving for so long.

Different views will be there upon a match. In the first ODI, it is an expected win and the bottom players didn't perform as expected. With the second ODI none expected South Africa to chase the target, but it happened. In specific, there is not much of mistakes from the England teamon fielding or dropping catches. So, it is the day of South Africa as each and everyone did the best.

[noormcs5]

After successfully wining the T20WC it seems the English side doesn't want to do the same for ODIWC. This teams performance in ODI has been going from bad to worst. I understand that South Africa has the home advantage but after scoring 342 runs if the English bowlers are not able to defend this total then their is a big problem that needs to be looked into.  

We shouldn't forget that England has also lost the first match by staying in the winning situation. They had lost their first wickets in 146 runs, then they lost all the remaining wickets in 271 runs. England team record isn't so good under the captaincy of Jos Buttler. They have lost the last 5 ODI matches, where Jos Buttler was the captain in 4 matches. Anyway, these winnings are helping South Africa to get in the top 8 of World Cup Super League table. They will get the 8th rank if they can win the next match. It will help them to qualify directly for the ODI World Cup.

I do not know if captaincy is the thing to blame. Because I believe a captain is more important in the bowling half. In batting, the team has to do well on individual performances. In the batting half, the players in the middle have to think of everything. And if we look at both matches, I think we will realize that England failed when it came to batting. Especially in the first match. In the second match, England did not bowl well. But that was not a bowling track anyway.

And these winnings are surely helping South Africa a lot. They are finally finding the success that they have been craving for so long.

Different views will be there upon a match. In the first ODI, it is an expected win and the bottom players didn't perform as expected. With the second ODI none expected South Africa to chase the target, but it happened. In specific, there is not much of mistakes from the England teamon fielding or dropping catches. So, it is the day of South Africa as each and everyone did the best.

So you mean to say that South Africans were lucky to won the both matches and they eventually won the series ?

I would not agree to that as luck can make you win one match but this is a consistent performance by the south Africans in the last two matches and it was a surprise too considering their previous form.

[Sithara007]

South Africa is now comfortably placed in the 2020–2023 ICC Cricket World Cup Super League. It is almost certain that they will finish among the top-8 and therefore gain automatic qualification for the ODI World Cup this year. They have one more match against England remaining (to be played tomorrow) and another two matches against Netherlands. Even one win should be enough to overtake West Indies (who are currently in the 8th position). Sri Lanka currently have 77 points, and they have 3 matches remaining. There is a remote chance of Sri Lanka finishing at the 8th position, if they win all the 3 matches (against New Zealand) and South Africa lose their match today.

[CryptoBuds]

After successfully wining the T20WC it seems the English side doesn't want to do the same for ODIWC. This teams performance in ODI has been going from bad to worst. I understand that South Africa has the home advantage but after scoring 342 runs if the English bowlers are not able to defend this total then their is a big problem that needs to be looked into.  

We shouldn't forget that England has also lost the first match by staying in the winning situation. They had lost their first wickets in 146 runs, then they lost all the remaining wickets in 271 runs. England team record isn't so good under the captaincy of Jos Buttler. They have lost the last 5 ODI matches, where Jos Buttler was the captain in 4 matches. Anyway, these winnings are helping South Africa to get in the top 8 of World Cup Super League table. They will get the 8th rank if they can win the next match. It will help them to qualify directly for the ODI World Cup.

I do not know if captaincy is the thing to blame. Because I believe a captain is more important in the bowling half. In batting, the team has to do well on individual performances. In the batting half, the players in the middle have to think of everything. And if we look at both matches, I think we will realize that England failed when it came to batting. Especially in the first match. In the second match, England did not bowl well. But that was not a bowling track anyway.
And these winnings are surely helping South Africa a lot. They are finally finding the success that they have been craving for so long.

Different views will be there upon a match. In the first ODI, it is an expected win and the bottom players didn't perform as expected. With the second ODI none expected South Africa to chase the target, but it happened. In specific, there is not much of mistakes from the England teamon fielding or dropping catches. So, it is the day of South Africa as each and everyone did the best.

Every South African player performed well. And that's why they were able to win. South Africa gave a target of less than 300 in the first match. England's batsmen got off to a good start, but were defeated by a poor middle order. Despite giving a huge target of 343 in the second match. England lost due to the poor performance of the bowlers. They have already lost the series. So the last match is not important for South Africa. Maybe England will be able to win in the last match. But I expect it to be a competitive match.

[Sithara007]

Every South African player performed well. And that's why they were able to win. South Africa gave a target of less than 300 in the first match. England's batsmen got off to a good start, but were defeated by a poor middle order. Despite giving a huge target of 343 in the second match. England lost due to the poor performance of the bowlers. They have already lost the series. So the last match is not important for South Africa. Maybe England will be able to win in the last match. But I expect it to be a competitive match.

LOL.. last match is important as hell for South Africa.

I already explained in my previous post. They need to win all the three remaining matches in the ODI league, to be at a comfortable position. Because even now there is a chance that Sri Lanka can overtake them. Even the remaining matches against Netherlands should not be taken lightly. In a way, South Africa was lucky this time because England was playing without many of their regular players, such as Archer, Wood and Root. Even then, their vulnerabilities were exposed at times. Spin bowling remains one of the weak points for South Africa. Batting looks to be in good shape, especially with Bavuma scoring runs when it mattered the most.

[pakhitheboss]

South Africa is now comfortably placed in the 2020–2023 ICC Cricket World Cup Super League. It is almost certain that they will finish among the top-8 and therefore gain automatic qualification for the ODI World Cup this year. They have one more match against England remaining (to be played tomorrow) and another two matches against Netherlands. Even one win should be enough to overtake West Indies (who are currently in the 8th position). Sri Lanka currently have 77 points, and they have 3 matches remaining. There is a remote chance of Sri Lanka finishing at the 8th position, if they win all the 3 matches (against New Zealand) and South Africa lose their match today.

South Africa is going to be part of the ODIWC but Srilanka is very doubtful. I am pretty much pissed with the way the English team has played so far in this bilateral series. They just don't have the zeal to win a single match. Pathetic bowling by them by the way. They cannot even defend a score of 300+ show how lack of bowling talent is affecting this team.

[Sithara007]

South Africa is now comfortably placed in the 2020–2023 ICC Cricket World Cup Super League. It is almost certain that they will finish among the top-8 and therefore gain automatic qualification for the ODI World Cup this year. They have one more match against England remaining (to be played tomorrow) and another two matches against Netherlands. Even one win should be enough to overtake West Indies (who are currently in the 8th position). Sri Lanka currently have 77 points, and they have 3 matches remaining. There is a remote chance of Sri Lanka finishing at the 8th position, if they win all the 3 matches (against New Zealand) and South Africa lose their match today.

South Africa is going to be part of the ODIWC but Srilanka is very doubtful. I am pretty much pissed with the way the English team has played so far in this bilateral series. They just don't have the zeal to win a single match. Pathetic bowling by them by the way. They cannot even defend a score of 300+ show how lack of bowling talent is affecting this team.

Well, we are talking about the England side minus Mark Wood and Ollie Robinson. Chris Woakes is the only regular pacer who was included in the 2nd ODI. Reece Topley and Olly Stone are not considered as regulars. And Sam Curran also doesn't bowl a lot these days. On top of that the two spinners (Moeen Ali and Adil Rashid) went for plenty. Maybe things will change once Jofra Archer comes back from his injury. And Rehan Ahmed is emerging as a quality spin option, although I am not sure how suitable is his style of bowling for the limited overs cricket.

[kro55]

After successfully wining the T20WC it seems the English side doesn't want to do the same for ODIWC. This teams performance in ODI has been going from bad to worst. I understand that South Africa has the home advantage but after scoring 342 runs if the English bowlers are not able to defend this total then their is a big problem that needs to be looked into. 

It was unbelievable to me that England would lose this match after setting a big target of 342 runs. After watching England's innings, I assumed that England will win this match. But at the end of the match I was quite surprised to see the result. Except for Olly Stone and Sam Curran, every bowler in England scored a lot of runs. We expected a better performance from an experienced team like England. Although the batsmen have performed their duties well, the bowlers need to improve their performance.

Yes match surprised me too. South Africa played really well. Temba has made century and made 109 runs for 102 balls.
England bowling was bad in this match or we can say that South Africa was looking strong both are correct statements. We can see Adil Rashid gave 72 runs on 60 balls and out two players of South Africa.
The target was really good but South Africa chased it in 49.1 overs and gave 5 wickets. That was a great match.

From the beginning of the innings, the South African batsmen batted responsibly. The pitch was completely batting friendly. So the South African players don't have to face much trouble to score runs. Especially Temba Bavuma and Dawid Miller's innings made the road to victory easier for the two South African teams. Also, there is no way to say that any of the team's batsmen performed poorly. Every batsman tried his best to perform well. And every batsman has a role to play in the team's victory. If every player in the team is able to perform well, even if the target is big, victory can be achieved.

Mostly Bavuma will withstand wicket and then only thinks of scoring. In ODI he used to maintain good average score. In the second ODI he had a marvelous innings scoring 109 runs. The strike rate isn't that high, but the contribution helped the following players have their natural game than pressurising to score runs. When there is contribution from every player, automatically they were able to chase any big target.

If the openers start the innings well then it becomes easier for the team to collect big. And middle order batsmen can bat without pressure. But if the opener is not able to start well, it is difficult for the team to collect big. England set a huge target of 343. Two South African openers have collected 140 runs. They have performed quite well. This made it easy for South Africa to win the match. If the opening pair plays well, it becomes easier to win big targets.

[pakhitheboss]

South Africa is now comfortably placed in the 2020–2023 ICC Cricket World Cup Super League. It is almost certain that they will finish among the top-8 and therefore gain automatic qualification for the ODI World Cup this year. They have one more match against England remaining (to be played tomorrow) and another two matches against Netherlands. Even one win should be enough to overtake West Indies (who are currently in the 8th position). Sri Lanka currently have 77 points, and they have 3 matches remaining. There is a remote chance of Sri Lanka finishing at the 8th position, if they win all the 3 matches (against New Zealand) and South Africa lose their match today.

South Africa is going to be part of the ODIWC but Srilanka is very doubtful. I am pretty much pissed with the way the English team has played so far in this bilateral series. They just don't have the zeal to win a single match. Pathetic bowling by them by the way. They cannot even defend a score of 300+ show how lack of bowling talent is affecting this team.

Well, we are talking about the England side minus Mark Wood and Ollie Robinson. Chris Woakes is the only regular pacer who was included in the 2nd ODI. Reece Topley and Olly Stone are not considered as regulars. And Sam Curran also doesn't bowl a lot these days. On top of that the two spinners (Moeen Ali and Adil Rashid) went for plenty. Maybe things will change once Jofra Archer comes back from his injury. And Rehan Ahmed is emerging as a quality spin option, although I am not sure how suitable is his style of bowling for the limited overs cricket.

I hope after Jofra archers inclusion the weak bowling line up of the English side changes but to an extent he can bowl 10 overs in limited cricket. England needs another two good and responsible  pace bowlers which at the moment is not happening. They tested a few in this series but none of them are good enough it seems.

[ThemePen]

South Africa is now comfortably placed in the 2020–2023 ICC Cricket World Cup Super League. It is almost certain that they will finish among the top-8 and therefore gain automatic qualification for the ODI World Cup this year. They have one more match against England remaining (to be played tomorrow) and another two matches against Netherlands. Even one win should be enough to overtake West Indies (who are currently in the 8th position). Sri Lanka currently have 77 points, and they have 3 matches remaining. There is a remote chance of Sri Lanka finishing at the 8th position, if they win all the 3 matches (against New Zealand) and South Africa lose their match today.

South Africa is going to be part of the ODIWC but Srilanka is very doubtful. I am pretty much pissed with the way the English team has played so far in this bilateral series. They just don't have the zeal to win a single match. Pathetic bowling by them by the way. They cannot even defend a score of 300+ show how lack of bowling talent is affecting this team.

Well, we are talking about the England side minus Mark Wood and Ollie Robinson. Chris Woakes is the only regular pacer who was included in the 2nd ODI. Reece Topley and Olly Stone are not considered as regulars. And Sam Curran also doesn't bowl a lot these days. On top of that the two spinners (Moeen Ali and Adil Rashid) went for plenty. Maybe things will change once Jofra Archer comes back from his injury. And Rehan Ahmed is emerging as a quality spin option, although I am not sure how suitable is his style of bowling for the limited overs cricket.

I hope after Jofra archers inclusion the weak bowling line up of the English side changes but to an extent he can bowl 10 overs in limited cricket. England needs another two good and responsible  pace bowlers which at the moment is not happening. They tested a few in this series but none of them are good enough it seems.

I think when a batsman have good practice and a best player. Or you can say he knows how he can drive a ball. So all the pacers go down infront of him. I think England team bowler tried really well but Africa's batsman also beat them in a good way. Like we can see Temba he played really well and made century. In my point of view the South Africa batting line was strong.

[JSRAW]

Well, we are talking about the England side minus Mark Wood and Ollie Robinson. Chris Woakes is the only regular pacer who was included in the 2nd ODI. Reece Topley and Olly Stone are not considered as regulars. And Sam Curran also doesn't bowl a lot these days. On top of that the two spinners (Moeen Ali and Adil Rashid) went for plenty. Maybe things will change once Jofra Archer comes back from his injury. And Rehan Ahmed is emerging as a quality spin option, although I am not sure how suitable is his style of bowling for the limited overs cricket.

I hope after Jofra archers inclusion the weak bowling line up of the English side changes but to an extent he can bowl 10 overs in limited cricket. England needs another two good and responsible  pace bowlers which at the moment is not happening. They tested a few in this series but none of them are good enough it seems.

Jofra Archer featured in the first ODI and Protea's batters beat the shit out of him all over the park and he went for 80 runs in his quota.

@Sithara007 If you look at England's squad for this series then this is almost full strength bowling lineup of England (minus Mark Wood). Ollie Robinson is yet to make his ODI debut so his name is irrelevant in the ODI setup.

[coinerer]

South Africa Cricket Team vs England Cricket Team in Second ODI Match. South Africa cricket team won the toss and welcome England cricket team to bat. In today's match England cricket team has performed quite well in batting. England cricket team may be able to score 300+ after completing 50 overs in today's match. If the England cricket team can strengthen their bowling line-up in the second innings, they may have a chance to win the match against South Africa.

What a come back from the England team. At one time they were 33 for 2 and they ended up scoring 342 runs. Harry Brook and Jos Buttler scored a massive 80 and 94 each, which helped England to score this big target.

I feel that South Africa won be able to chase this big target. Remember in the first ODI, England failed to chase the target of 298. So chasing big score will not easy here.

Big comeback into the game. 342 runs is a good score, and with the good bowling England can surely win the match. Jos Butler missed his century, though he hasn't lost his wicket. Early wicket loss made this to be a low scoring innings, but the middle order the best to reach a better score. South Africa have reached 33 runs in five overs without losing wickets. De Cock and Bavuma on the crease will try to stand wicket which is a must to chase big targets.

England played well but South Africa turned the match and South Africa won the match by 5 wickets which was a great achievement for South Africa. But at the start of the match there was doubt that South Africa could win but South Africa played very well in the last moment and managed the match very well and they beat England in the last moment to win. It was really commendable for South Africa to play this match

[Sithara007]

Jofra Archer featured in the first ODI and Protea's batters beat the shit out of him all over the park and he went for 80 runs in his quota.

@Sithara007 If you look at England's squad for this series then this is almost full strength bowling lineup of England (minus Mark Wood). Ollie Robinson is yet to make his ODI debut so his name is irrelevant in the ODI setup.

I guess Archer need a few more months for his rehabilitation to international cricket. The last time he played regular international cricket was almost 18 months ago. His absence have been a big blow for England, across all the formats. I agree that Robinson is not strictly limited overs material. Even in domestic cricket, he has stayed away from 50-over and 20-over formats. So you are right. For now, England doesn't have too many experienced pacers available for selection. Retirement of Ben Stokes left a void for them as well.

[ZAINmalik75]

Yes match surprised me too. South Africa played really well. Temba has made century and made 109 runs for 102 balls.
England bowling was bad in this match or we can say that South Africa was looking strong both are correct statements. We can see Adil Rashid gave 72 runs on 60 balls and out two players of South Africa.
The target was really good but South Africa chased it in 49.1 overs and gave 5 wickets. That was a great match.

South Africa not only won the match but also the series. 689 runs were scored in last match so definitely its a batting track. Temba century laid the foundation but its David Miller 58 runs on 37 balls that sealed victory for South Africa. England batting was good as they gave a huge target but there bowling was not good enough to defend the target. If you look at SA batting card then everyone played there part in run chase.

England's bowler were unable to create pressure on South African batters. If you cannot take wickets, At least keep it tight.

Yeh england bowler show himself little bit weak in this ODI as compared to African bowler, and the reason is that they unable to put pressure on them by taking early on wicket in starting overs, just like the African bowler did in starting over.
they dismissed the top order batter of England in early stages and didn't allow them to build a partnership, as a result they play under pressure in entire match but thanks to hareey brook  and Jos Buttler who some how mange to score and put his team away from danger.

[Haunebu]

Yeh england bowler show himself little bit weak in this ODI as compared to African bowler, and the reason is that they unable to put pressure on them by taking early on wicket in starting overs, just like the African bowler did in starting over.
they dismissed the top order batter of England in early stages and didn't allow them to build a partnership, as a result they play under pressure in entire match but thanks to hareey brook  and Jos Buttler who some how mange to score and put his team away from danger.

I was surprised to see South Africa win comfortably against England despite the English posting a relatively high score thanks to Buttler and Brook as you mentioned. Almost all of the RSA batsmen played well.

Miller is in his prime at the moment primarily thanks to his excellent performance in last year's IPL.

[MusaPk]

Yeh england bowler show himself little bit weak in this ODI as compared to African bowler, and the reason is that they unable to put pressure on them by taking early on wicket in starting overs, just like the African bowler did in starting over.
they dismissed the top order batter of England in early stages and didn't allow them to build a partnership, as a result they play under pressure in entire match but thanks to hareey brook  and Jos Buttler who some how mange to score and put his team away from danger.

I was surprised to see South Africa win comfortably against England despite the English posting a relatively high score thanks to Buttler and Brook as you mentioned. Almost all of the RSA batsmen played well.

Miller is in his prime at the moment primarily thanks to his excellent performance in last year's IPL.

It was easy win for South Africa in both matches. The best thing for South Africa is that there top order is performing and this will help them in upcoming ODI world cup. The ODI world cup will be in India and we know there are mostly batting tracks India. Any team with good batting lineup will defiantly have an edge over one who don't have strong one. South Africa haven't won T20 or ODI world cup despite the fact they have a strong team from day one.

[noormcs5]

Yeh england bowler show himself little bit weak in this ODI as compared to African bowler, and the reason is that they unable to put pressure on them by taking early on wicket in starting overs, just like the African bowler did in starting over.
they dismissed the top order batter of England in early stages and didn't allow them to build a partnership, as a result they play under pressure in entire match but thanks to hareey brook  and Jos Buttler who some how mange to score and put his team away from danger.

I was surprised to see South Africa win comfortably against England despite the English posting a relatively high score thanks to Buttler and Brook as you mentioned. Almost all of the RSA batsmen played well.

Miller is in his prime at the moment primarily thanks to his excellent performance in last year's IPL.

It was easy win for South Africa in both matches. The best thing for South Africa is that there top order is performing and this will help them in upcoming ODI world cup. The ODI world cup will be in India and we know there are mostly batting tracks India. Any team with good batting lineup will defiantly have an edge over one who don't have strong one. South Africa haven't won T20 or ODI world cup despite the fact they have a strong team from day one.

Ok so finally we will be having the 3rd and the last one day match between the two teams tomorrow at Kimberley.

What do we expect of tomorrow's match. Although South Africa have won the series but they should try to white wash England and keep their winning streak. I think if South Africa can win this last ODI, it will be a big set back and upset for the England team.