ODI cricket and general cricketing discussion [self - mod]

[Sithara007]

Why would ICC intervene in a tournament that is not governed by them? Just to let you know it is not funded by ICC. It gets it revenue from broadcasting right generated through any tournament conducted by it for example Asia cup. Which country contributes more to its funding, the answer is simple India. Therefore I do not think ICC would intervene in the Asia cup.
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Well.. this is the problem for PCB. Asia Cup is organized by the ACC. So in case the BCCI pulls out of this tournament, the PCB can't retaliate by pulling out of the ICC tournaments. Then they will be liable for financial penalties imposed by the ICC. For the PCB, the best option would be to enter in to a deal with the ACC. They can swap the hosting rights with other boards who hold the right to host the future editions of the Asia Cup. Or they can move the tournament to a neutral venue and enter in to a revenue-sharing agreement.

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[BobK71]

Emotional decisions never benefit anyone. I am 99.99% sure that India would refuse to participate in Asia Cup, if it is being held in Pakistan. Therefore the only option left for the PCB is to move the tournament to a neutral venue. They can conduct the tournament without India, but then ACC will lose more than 75% of the expected earnings form this edition. And what they can do about it? Obviously boycotting the ODI World Cup in India is an option. But the cost will be too huge for the PCB and they will be unable to afford it. My advice to them is to stay low until the opportunity arrives. Let BCCI do whatever it want for now.

I agree as it is not good time for PCB, so they have to give up and just go as things are going with most chances they will not get any compensation from ACC as well because if they allow this all then there is no problem to playing in Pakistan here Jay Shah and company have no softer corner for Pakistan and their situation so better for the PCB just go ahead with new venue for the Asia Cup and also talk with ICC about Visas and security of the Pakistan team in India while they will be in this country for the world cup and if they agreed about this all then surely they have to go India for the world cup and give their best which is currently important for their cricket and better future of the game.

Emotions are part, and we need to have the better understanding through these situations. This will let them work on the game and progress than keeping themselves down with the unwanted politics. As said Jay Shah and Company doesn't have any soft corner, which also have valid reason. Right now moving the venue to a neutral place and winning the Asia Cup makes Pakistan stand high. Whatever the politics PCB does, it doesn't gonna benefit them in any means which is the hard truth.

ACC serves as the organizing body of the Asia Cup. It cannot be said that this organization has a very strong position in the world of cricket. If India does not participate in their upcoming event, the organization may face a huge financial loss and if Pakistan does not play in the World Cup, Pakistan will certainly incur a punishable offense which ICC will never accept. Pakistan cricket will be in big trouble if the ICC reduces their support. So they will not dare to make a big mistake for the Asia Cup.

[pakhitheboss]

Well.. this is the problem for PCB. Asia Cup is organized by the ACC. So in case the BCCI pulls out of this tournament, the PCB can't retaliate by pulling out of the ICC tournaments. Then they will be liable for financial penalties imposed by the ICC. For the PCB, the best option would be to enter in to a deal with the ACC. They can swap the hosting rights with other boards who hold the right to host the future editions of the Asia Cup. Or they can move the tournament to a neutral venue and enter in to a revenue-sharing agreement.

What you suggest is ideally the best option available for PCB. Do you think PCB will agree to such settlement? Najam Sethi is still saying the same thing that Ramiz Raja was saying earlier. I do not understand what makes them think they are bigger and better than BCCI? In every juncture they have been humiliated against their argument. A small board like PCB should always comply with a big board like BCCI if they want to generate good revenue from cricket for their country.

[Sithara007]

What you suggest is ideally the best option available for PCB. Do you think PCB will agree to such settlement? Najam Sethi is still saying the same thing that Ramiz Raja was saying earlier. I do not understand what makes them think they are bigger and better than BCCI? In every juncture they have been humiliated against their argument. A small board like PCB should always comply with a big board like BCCI if they want to generate good revenue from cricket for their country.

It is not like the PCB should dance to the whims and fancies of the BCCI. All I am saying is that rather than taking emotional decisions (which can do more harm to themselves), they should introspect and come up with the best possible solution. There are two things to be done for PCB administrators. First one is the short term solution. They should resolve the impasse surrounding Asia Cup. And the second one is the long term target, which is to dislodge the pig-4 system in cricket, which will prevent such issues from repeating in the future.

[elevates]

It is not like the PCB should dance to the whims and fancies of the BCCI. 

None of the small boards except PCB has a problem with BCCI. None of those small boards dance to the whims & fancies of BCCI. They all accept what BCCI says as they know clearly they won't be able to survive without the help of BCCI as it is a cricketing board of a country which is the 4th largest economy has the second big population and almost every citizen loves watching, playing, getting high just by cricket.

If PCB still wants to argue after knowing the facts then it is not called an emotional statement. In generic terms, you can call them an ignorant donkey who is after the carrot but does not want to get the carrot. Such an arrogant & proud statement by the PCB chairman would only hurt them and not BCCI.

We all know that Pakistan's economy is in shamble so is PCB and to justify what I saying I would like to quote what Pakistan's PM has publically said I am quoting the statement of the PM of Pakistan

Beggars can't be choosers!

[mm2543363580]

What you suggest is ideally the best option available for PCB. Do you think PCB will agree to such settlement? Najam Sethi is still saying the same thing that Ramiz Raja was saying earlier. I do not understand what makes them think they are bigger and better than BCCI? In every juncture they have been humiliated against their argument. A small board like PCB should always comply with a big board like BCCI if they want to generate good revenue from cricket for their country.

It is not like the PCB should dance to the whims and fancies of the BCCI. All I am saying is that rather than taking emotional decisions (which can do more harm to themselves), they should introspect and come up with the best possible solution. There are two things to be done for PCB administrators. First one is the short term solution. They should resolve the impasse surrounding Asia Cup. And the second one is the long term target, which is to dislodge the pig-4 system in cricket, which will prevent such issues from repeating in the future.

This topic should be solved by now as this problem is getting bigger and dirty with time , and all people who are blaming Pakistan and PCB for being stubborn and all bad things they are saying about Pakistan  they should accept that fact that Pakistan got hosting rights and without any reason BCCI is saying and putting pressure on icc to take hosting rights from Pakistan.
This is a difficult thing for any country and now icc should finish this discussion by giving their final verdict and venue name for Asia Cup to close this topic once in for all.

[Sithara007]

It is not like the PCB should dance to the whims and fancies of the BCCI. 

None of the small boards except PCB has a problem with BCCI. None of those small boards dance to the whims & fancies of BCCI. They all accept what BCCI says as they know clearly they won't be able to survive without the help of BCCI as it is a cricketing board of a country which is the 4th largest economy has the second big population and almost every citizen loves watching, playing, getting high just by cricket.

If PCB still wants to argue after knowing the facts then it is not called an emotional statement. In generic terms, you can call them an ignorant donkey who is after the carrot but does not want to get the carrot. Such an arrogant & proud statement by the PCB chairman would only hurt them and not BCCI.

We all know that Pakistan's economy is in shamble so is PCB and to justify what I saying I would like to quote what Pakistan's PM has publically said I am quoting the statement of the PM of Pakistan

Beggars can't be choosers!

The last statement summarizes your attitude. You are calling PCB as beggars.

I wonder if any of the smaller boards (outside the pig-4) have a favorable opinion towards the BCCI. CSA and WICB may enter into deals with them, but even they know that dominance from the BCCI is not good. Here in this case, there are no excuses. Asia Cup was awarded to Pakistan, since they are one of the full members from Asia. So they have every right to host the tournament. The BCCI didn't had a problem when the tournament hosting rights were awarded. Their issue started only a few months back.

[fuguebtc]

What you suggest is ideally the best option available for PCB. Do you think PCB will agree to such settlement? Najam Sethi is still saying the same thing that Ramiz Raja was saying earlier. I do not understand what makes them think they are bigger and better than BCCI? In every juncture they have been humiliated against their argument. A small board like PCB should always comply with a big board like BCCI if they want to generate good revenue from cricket for their country.

It is not like the PCB should dance to the whims and fancies of the BCCI. All I am saying is that rather than taking emotional decisions (which can do more harm to themselves), they should introspect and come up with the best possible solution. There are two things to be done for PCB administrators. First one is the short term solution. They should resolve the impasse surrounding Asia Cup. And the second one is the long term target, which is to dislodge the pig-4 system in cricket, which will prevent such issues from repeating in the future.

Now Pakistan cricket board has to make smart decisions. They cannot make any mistakes right now. If the Pakistan cricket board makes any decision that will be problematic for the future of Pakistan Cricket, I think they should just agree to what Indian cricket board is saying right now.

Basically, this is a loose loose situation for Pakistan. I think this is a time when they have to realize that they have to take the 'lose' and move on. Because if they analyze the situation, I don't think there is any positive outcome for them. I got the only positive outcome for them is going to be not making something really negative happen for them.

[Crypto Library]

What you suggest is ideally the best option available for PCB. Do you think PCB will agree to such settlement? Najam Sethi is still saying the same thing that Ramiz Raja was saying earlier. I do not understand what makes them think they are bigger and better than BCCI? In every juncture they have been humiliated against their argument. A small board like PCB should always comply with a big board like BCCI if they want to generate good revenue from cricket for their country.

It is not like the PCB should dance to the whims and fancies of the BCCI. All I am saying is that rather than taking emotional decisions (which can do more harm to themselves), they should introspect and come up with the best possible solution. There are two things to be done for PCB administrators. First one is the short term solution. They should resolve the impasse surrounding Asia Cup. And the second one is the long term target, which is to dislodge the pig-4 system in cricket, which will prevent such issues from repeating in the future.

I would like agree with you in this point Because the Pakistan Cricket Board is not as powerful as the cricket boards of other countries, nor they don't much influence in the ICC prevail. So I think such move would set the Pakistan Cricket Board far behind the ICC and thereby put their cricket sports at risk.
So I don't support what Najam Sethi said, and I hope Pakistan will sort out the issues and participate in the game normally. I only took the name of Pakistan because as the saying goes, Might is right .

[Vaskiy]

What you suggest is ideally the best option available for PCB. Do you think PCB will agree to such settlement? Najam Sethi is still saying the same thing that Ramiz Raja was saying earlier. I do not understand what makes them think they are bigger and better than BCCI? In every juncture they have been humiliated against their argument. A small board like PCB should always comply with a big board like BCCI if they want to generate good revenue from cricket for their country.

It is not like the PCB should dance to the whims and fancies of the BCCI. All I am saying is that rather than taking emotional decisions (which can do more harm to themselves), they should introspect and come up with the best possible solution. There are two things to be done for PCB administrators. First one is the short term solution. They should resolve the impasse surrounding Asia Cup. And the second one is the long term target, which is to dislodge the pig-4 system in cricket, which will prevent such issues from repeating in the future.

I would like agree with you in this point Because the Pakistan Cricket Board is not as powerful as the cricket boards of other countries, nor they don't much influence in the ICC prevail. So I think such move would set the Pakistan Cricket Board far behind the ICC and thereby put their cricket sports at risk.
So I don't support what Najam Sethi said, and I hope Pakistan will sort out the issues and participate in the game normally. I only took the name of Pakistan because as the saying goes, Might is right .

Right now whether they take some emotional decisions or they never take part into the world cup. Whatever, it is going to be financially affect Pakistan. As one of the user suggested finding a neutral venue and making arrangements on revenue sharing method seems to be the better choice. BCCI is in a position that no other cricket board can raise a question. PCB is struggling to run whereas BCCI is the richest sports organization. The difference is massive.

[n0ne]

We can't be judgemental, but it is quite evident that there is security risk. Few countries have took the risk and toured Pakistan. India had requested for change of venue. Few days back in an exhibition match in connect to PSL conducted on Bugti Stadium. The match was between Peshawar Zalmi and Quetta Gladiators. Bomb blast had happened near to the stadium and the match have been dropped. Maybe the security isn't that tight for the internal league. However these incidents too will be watched by the rest of the world.
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[Sithara007]

We can't be judgemental, but it is quite evident that there is security risk. Few countries have took the risk and toured Pakistan. India had requested for change of venue. Few days back in an exhibition match in connect to PSL conducted on Bugti Stadium. The match was between Peshawar Zalmi and Quetta Gladiators. Bomb blast had happened near to the stadium and the match have been dropped. Maybe the security isn't that tight for the internal league. However these incidents too will be watched by the rest of the world.
Sportstime247

Terrorist attacks are occurring in Pakistan with increased frequency. A few days back, the attack on a mosque in Peshawar killed more than 100 people. If the situation get worse, then not just India, but other countries will also refuse to tour Pakistan. Even the foreign player participation in PSL can be under threat. I feel bad for people like Rameez Raja, who worked really hard to bring international cricket back to Pakistan. All that hard work will be lost, if the teams refuse to tour Pakistan, citing the lack of security. The government need to take this as the highest priority.

[ThemePen]

Terrorist attacks are occurring in Pakistan with increased frequency. A few days back, the attack on a mosque in Peshawar killed more than 100 people. If the situation get worse, then not just India, but other countries will also refuse to tour Pakistan. Even the foreign player participation in PSL can be under threat. I feel bad for people like Rameez Raja, who worked really hard to bring international cricket back to Pakistan. All that hard work will be lost, if the teams refuse to tour Pakistan, citing the lack of security. The government need to take this as the highest priority.

As in my previous post I indicated this matter. As I told the teams will refuse with this excuse that if the Pakistan's security institution are not safe so how they will safe us.
And that is right Ramiz Raja worked hard and tried really well to bring back the International teams to Pakistan. In the previous days Ramiz lost his position but again he got back and I hope he will try more to do this task again.
By the way let see what will happen.?

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Terrorist attacks are occurring in Pakistan with increased frequency. A few days back, the attack on a mosque in Peshawar killed more than 100 people. If the situation get worse, then not just India, but other countries will also refuse to tour Pakistan. Even the foreign player participation in PSL can be under threat. I feel bad for people like Rameez Raja, who worked really hard to bring international cricket back to Pakistan. All that hard work will be lost, if the teams refuse to tour Pakistan, citing the lack of security. The government need to take this as the highest priority.

As in my previous post I indicated this matter. As I told the teams will refuse with this excuse that if the Pakistan's security institution are not safe so how they will safe us.
And that is right Ramiz Raja worked hard and tried really well to bring back the International teams to Pakistan. In the previous days Ramiz lost his position but again he got back and I hope he will try more to do this task again.
By the way let see what will happen.?

Unfortunately, Pakistan is now in a bad position from all sides, talking about security, due to various terrorist attacks, many cricket teams do not want to tour Pakistan.  On the other hand, the economic condition of Pakistan has become almost fragile and they are running towards bankruptcy.
All in all, I don't see anything good ahead for Pakistan, other than accepting such talk from other parties. But I will also say good luck to Ramiz Raja because he is struggling a lot

[Sithara007]

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And that is right Ramiz Raja worked hard and tried really well to bring back the International teams to Pakistan. In the previous days Ramiz lost his position but again he got back and I hope he will try more to do this task again.
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Did I missed something? Rambo was replaced with Najam Sethi. You are saying that he got back his position, which I am not aware of. As far as I know, Ramiz is working with some of the TV channels to cover Border Gavaskar Trophy and he doesn't hold any position with PCB at this point. But his absence would be a big blow to the PCB. During his stint, he made so many revolutionary changes (although some of them like the Pakistan Junior League were not very successful), and also increased the PCB revenues by manifold.

[JSRAW]

We all know that Pakistan's economy is in shamble so is PCB and to justify what I saying I would like to quote what Pakistan's PM has publically said I am quoting the statement of the PM of Pakistan

Beggars can't be choosers!

The last statement summarizes your attitude. You are calling PCB as beggars.

I wonder if any of the smaller boards (outside the pig-4) have a favorable opinion towards the BCCI. CSA and WICB may enter into deals with them, but even they know that dominance from the BCCI is not good. Here in this case, there are no excuses. Asia Cup was awarded to Pakistan, since they are one of the full members from Asia. So they have every right to host the tournament. The BCCI didn't had a problem when the tournament hosting rights were awarded. Their issue started only a few months back.

@elevates is not making this statement out of thin air tho. Sharriff Junior actually said this recently.

I agree PCB has every right to host tourney in Pakistan but at the same BCCI has valid reservations, which we have discussed countless times. Also visiting Pakistan for Asia Cup will set a new precedent that if India can visit for the Asia cup then why not for Bilateral tours?

I would prefer if they host the tournament without India despite taking a hit on revenue. Also evil BCCI never takes a single penny from the Asia cup so it serves them right that no one has a favorable opinion towards BCCI.

[BobK71]

Terrorist attacks are occurring in Pakistan with increased frequency. A few days back, the attack on a mosque in Peshawar killed more than 100 people. If the situation get worse, then not just India, but other countries will also refuse to tour Pakistan. Even the foreign player participation in PSL can be under threat. I feel bad for people like Rameez Raja, who worked really hard to bring international cricket back to Pakistan. All that hard work will be lost, if the teams refuse to tour Pakistan, citing the lack of security. The government need to take this as the highest priority.

As in my previous post I indicated this matter. As I told the teams will refuse with this excuse that if the Pakistan's security institution are not safe so how they will safe us.
And that is right Ramiz Raja worked hard and tried really well to bring back the International teams to Pakistan. In the previous days Ramiz lost his position but again he got back and I hope he will try more to do this task again.
By the way let see what will happen.?

Unfortunately, Pakistan is now in a bad position from all sides, talking about security, due to various terrorist attacks, many cricket teams do not want to tour Pakistan.  On the other hand, the economic condition of Pakistan has become almost fragile and they are running towards bankruptcy.
All in all, I don't see anything good ahead for Pakistan, other than accepting such talk from other parties. But I will also say good luck to Ramiz Raja because he is struggling a lot

I think Pakistan have to wait a few more days and should conduct their games in UAE until the situation in their country becomes normal. No one should take life risk to play cricket. I don't think people who know about them would ever take this decision. If they can change their terms and come to an agreement then it will be good for cricket otherwise an awkward atmosphere could be created which no one expects. Moreover, we know that all the worst terrorist activities in Pakistan took place only in Pakistan. So they should always be very careful about security but it should be done through compromise.

[TheGreatPython]

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And that is right Ramiz Raja worked hard and tried really well to bring back the International teams to Pakistan. In the previous days Ramiz lost his position but again he got back and I hope he will try more to do this task again.
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Did I missed something? Rambo was replaced with Najam Sethi. You are saying that he got back his position, which I am not aware of. As far as I know, Ramiz is working with some of the TV channels to cover Border Gavaskar Trophy and he doesn't hold any position with PCB at this point. But his absence would be a big blow to the PCB. During his stint, he made so many revolutionary changes (although some of them like the Pakistan Junior League were not very successful), and also increased the PCB revenues by manifold.

Few peoples are feeling they are going to have election in near future and things could be on same way as were before the Najam Sethi, but these all are just rumours because after checking many sources and media reports there is deadlock, and it's not going to end soon, but rumours are doing their job.

No doubt about Ramiz Raja abilities and his revolutionary changes which bring some good life in PCB, but there were also few concerns as well specially as you mention Pakistan Junior League was failure and many in PCB were also not happy with this all which is also not favourable for the Rambo but now look like things are going as this was happening before him and we will have nothing improved in coming days as well even they can lose few foreign players due to this Peshawar Masjid bomb blast as well.

[MusaPk]

Did I missed something? Rambo was replaced with Najam Sethi. You are saying that he got back his position, which I am not aware of. As far as I know, Ramiz is working with some of the TV channels to cover Border Gavaskar Trophy and he doesn't hold any position with PCB at this point. But his absence would be a big blow to the PCB. During his stint, he made so many revolutionary changes (although some of them like the Pakistan Junior League were not very successful), and also increased the PCB revenues by manifold.

Unfortunately Ramiz Raja was replaced by Najam Sethi who is a journalist (and works for current government as journalist). It was a reward for him for doing pro PML-N journalism. Raja is facing hard time under Sethi as he was not included in commentators panel during Newzealand tour to Pakistan and now also not in PSL 8 commentary panel.

[pakhitheboss]

The last statement summarizes your attitude. You are calling PCB as beggars.

I wonder if any of the smaller boards (outside the pig-4) have a favorable opinion towards the BCCI. CSA and WICB may enter into deals with them, but even they know that dominance from the BCCI is not good. Here in this case, there are no excuses. Asia Cup was awarded to Pakistan, since they are one of the full members from Asia. So they have every right to host the tournament. The BCCI didn't had a problem when the tournament hosting rights were awarded. Their issue started only a few months back.

@elevates is not making this statement out of thin air tho. Sharriff Junior actually said this recently.

That statement became a huge issue in Pakistan politics and he also got brutally trolled by on social media. Ultimately he had to come out with an answer on why he meant by that statement. You can read this article to improve your GK . I mean @elevates only quoted what he said. What can you then expect from PCB it is still based in Pakistan.