ODI cricket and general cricketing discussion [self - mod]

[coinism]

Yes this is right. We should not take easy the opponent team. Opponent team can be well prepared.
By the way I was surprised when I saw the Winning Probability of both teams for the next match.
Bangladesh has already won two matches and the winning probability is showing the winning rate of Indian team 69%.
I know this is only guess but it surprised me.

Bangladesh beat Pakistan 3-0 in ODI series back in 2015 when Azhar Ali was Pakistan of Pakistan team. After 7 years Bangladesh had the chance to do the same but now with India team. Both ODIs played so far were nail bitting and I would say both teams have probability of winning the last game.

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[BobK71]

It is an important point you find that is if they play warmup matches they would be able to get a better idea of the pitch. Then maybe there would not have been such a disaster. Definitely it would be a great lesson for them. They should not think of any opponent as small or weak. I just want replacing one instead of Kohli in the upcoming match that will not be bad either. I am sure if India can throw the target of 300 runs then they will definitely lose the match. But in this regard, the Indian team management has definitely given good direction to the cricketers what has to do.

Yes this is right. We should not take easy the opponent team. Opponent team can be well prepared.
By the way I was surprised when I saw the Winning Probability of both teams for the next match.
Bangladesh has already won two matches and the winning probability is showing the winning rate of Indian team 69%.
I know this is only guess but it surprised me.

Winning percentage is the same before each match. Because India is a big opponent for any team. There is a big difference between India and Bangladesh team position. What ever the odds or percentage when the game will be started everything will be change very quickly. That is mainly depend on the performance. Since Bangladesh has won two matches, India will definitely protect themselves from the Whitewash. But if Bangladesh can give their best, there is no guarantee that they will not lose in this match.

[coinism]

Winning percentage is the same before each match. Because India is a big opponent for any team. There is a big difference between India and Bangladesh team position. What ever the odds or percentage when the game will be started everything will be change very quickly. That is mainly depend on the performance. Since Bangladesh has won two matches, India will definitely protect themselves from the Whitewash. But if Bangladesh can give their best, there is no guarantee that they will not lose in this match.

Bangladesh need to focus on there fielding. In the last game they dropped catches of ROHIT at very crucial stage and are lucky to still win the game. They should learn how to handle pressure situations. I would say Bangladesh have a golden chance to Whitewash India.

[mm2543363580]

India have already lost the series by losing two consecutive matches. If they make one more mistake it will be whitewash. Which could be a dark chapter for India. So I think it is logical that they should be reorganize around the upcoming match. Spin ball will be effective. The way Shakib Al Hasan is getting wickets can be something like that even if India brings a spinner in the team. But there is no alternative for India to win the next match.

I don't know whether the Indians will be a lot worried about getting whitewashed. They came to Bangladesh without much preparations and refused to play any warmup matches. And in the first match itself, there was no urgency from the part of the Indian batsmen despite losing wickets regularly. They were not serious about their opponents and thought that it will be a cakewalk. And they hardly learnt any lessons from the first match. Even in the second match they showed no seriousness and let the match drift away from their control.

Definitely it will be biggest concern for Indian team to avoid whitewash and they will do there best to win the last match. Indian board is not replacing Kohli with some new talent. Its best for Indian cricket to get some new talent. Moreover relying only on Kumar bowling is also hurting Indian cricket.

[jack05]

India have already lost the series by losing two consecutive matches. If they make one more mistake it will be whitewash. Which could be a dark chapter for India. So I think it is logical that they should be reorganize around the upcoming match. Spin ball will be effective. The way Shakib Al Hasan is getting wickets can be something like that even if India brings a spinner in the team. But there is no alternative for India to win the next match.

Bangladesh has secured victory in the previous two matches against India. This victory will be remembered in the history of cricket world. Tomorrow is the last ODI in Bangladesh and India's Bangladesh will want to white-wash India. But I think India will bounce back tomorrow and try their best to avoid a whitewash.
I don't know whether the Indians will be a lot worried about getting whitewashed. They came to Bangladesh without much preparations and refused to play any warmup matches. And in the first match itself, there was no urgency from the part of the Indian batsmen despite losing wickets regularly. They were not serious about their opponents and thought that it will be a cakewalk. And they hardly learnt any lessons from the first match. Even in the second match they showed no seriousness and let the match drift away from their control.

Definitely it will be biggest concern for Indian team to avoid whitewash and they will do there best to win the last match. Indian board is not replacing Kohli with some new talent. Its best for Indian cricket to get some new talent. Moreover relying only on Kumar bowling is also hurting Indian cricket.

[Haunebu]

These losses could be a blessing in disguise before WC, and in a way might help with the selection 

This is a great point. The Indian team have been performing badly across all formats in recent times which is why big changes are necessary to help them rise back up in an efficient and effective manner.

Its best for Indian cricket to get some new talent. Moreover relying only on Kumar bowling is also hurting Indian cricket.

Retaining Kohli is the right choice while Kumar should have been replaced across all formats a long time ago if you ask me.

[JSRAW]

These losses could be a blessing in disguise before WC, and in a way might help with the selection 

This is a great point. The Indian team have been performing badly across all formats in recent times which is why big changes are necessary to help them rise back up in an efficient and effective manner.

I would say they are performing badly in white-ball cricket only. They are still a tough team to beat in tests despite their fuckery in a couple of matches.

I noticed that in this thread many posters are writing off Kohli in ODI but IMO he's a GOAT in this format. In modern cricket, no one comes close to him so I'll bet on him without any doubt. 

[ZAINmalik75]

Not only just this time they are playing good at their home ground I saw their previous match on their home play ground and what I've seen is that they've consistently done well in those matches except some few match. And I think with that consistency they were able to beat India and take the series in their favour. I also thought that they also hold the ability to win 3rd ODI  and make whitewash India.

Third ODI will be played in a different venue. Pitch condition will be different there. I think Indian players will do better in that condition. Bangladesh had won the previous ODI series against India by 2-1, It was played in 2015. Probably this series will end in the same way. Indian players will get huge pressure from their cricket board if they lose the third ODI as well.

Venue plays an important role. At the same time it is also to be noted that India will win the upcoming match unlike the venue. Indian players used to do the best when they're left to do independent. First ODI is an example, if the bowlers weren't given pressure they would've took the last wicket that brought 50 partnership and won the match for Bangladesh. In the second.match the loss of wickets made the players look for a way to withstand wickets and this made them miss the scoring. This time the series is lost and they'll freely play and win the match.

I think this match will be a do or dead situation for indian batting and bowling lineup because if India lose the 3rd ODI too which mean indain will be washout by Bangladesh in ODI series , then this will be a tough situation for indian team because BCCI will be take huge action against team & I think losing this ODI series will be the main reason of ending some senior player career because now in Indian squad most of them are above 30
So all of my good wishes is for indain team and especially Kohli to perform well and make his position stronger and stronger in team.

[Sithara007]

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I noticed that in this thread many posters are writing off Kohli in ODI but IMO he's a GOAT in this format. In modern cricket, no one comes close to him so I'll bet on him without any doubt. 

I would rather say that Kohli was a GOAT. Look at his stats for the recent matches. For the year 2022, his batting average stands at 18.90 (189 runs from 10 innings). The last time he had a batting average of more than 50.00 was in 2019. Now let's look at the T20Is. His batting average is good, but the same can't be said about his strike rate. For the last two years, his strike rate has remained below 140.00. Now compare this with someone like Suryakumar Yadav, who is having a T20I career strike rate of 180.97. 

[og kush420]

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I noticed that in this thread many posters are writing off Kohli in ODI but IMO he's a GOAT in this format. In modern cricket, no one comes close to him so I'll bet on him without any doubt.  

I would rather say that Kohli was a GOAT. Look at his stats for the recent matches. For the year 2022, his batting average stands at 18.90 (189 runs from 10 innings). The last time he had a batting average of more than 50.00 was in 2019. Now let's look at the T20Is. His batting average is good, but the same can't be said about his strike rate. For the last two years, his strike rate has remained below 140.00. Now compare this with someone like Suryakumar Yadav, who is having a T20I career strike rate of 180.97.  

Even Ronaldo was called an Goat. Why do you call them Goat. edit ( okie I got it - Greatest of all time )
Kholi performed well. But then he is in some other state of mind and he played differently. But he is always thankful to his wife Anushka Sharma for being always there to help him during the time of need.

[teosanru]

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I noticed that in this thread many posters are writing off Kohli in ODI but IMO he's a GOAT in this format. In modern cricket, no one comes close to him so I'll bet on him without any doubt. 

I would rather say that Kohli was a GOAT. Look at his stats for the recent matches. For the year 2022, his batting average stands at 18.90 (189 runs from 10 innings). The last time he had a batting average of more than 50.00 was in 2019. Now let's look at the T20Is. His batting average is good, but the same can't be said about his strike rate. For the last two years, his strike rate has remained below 140.00. Now compare this with someone like Suryakumar Yadav, who is having a T20I career strike rate of 180.97. 

His playing style is entirely different from that of Surya, Kohli's responsibility is to anchor the innings till the end which he always does and the average speaks of it. Surya's responsibility is to provide the pace which he does. Also we all know Kohli was in a bad form before the Asia Cup and he hasn't played a lot of ODIs after that. There are always highs and lows in careers of players see Sachin's career during 2004-2008, but he did comeback and so did Kohli. Moreover if you see all over the all formats there is not a batsmen who can come close to that in all three formats.

PS: GOAT means "all time", you can't see recent stats to declare someone's not a GOAT anymore.

[jaberwock]

I don't think that spinners such as Axar and Shahbaz are suitable for these conditions. I would have preferred someone like Ravichandran Ashwin or even Yuzvendra Chahal. Washington Sundar did his job well, but the same can't be said about the performance from Axar/Shahbaz in the first two matches. Also, the Indian selectors need to decide whether they want good spinners who can't bat much, or average spinners who can contribute with the bat in the lower order. The preference as of now seems to be for the latter category.

Look like Indian selectors doing some experiments but fail to have their targeted results because too many players in last few ODI's looking not good with now we have just 10 months left in ODI world cup they need to give final shape with their best available players, but they are not having any intention for doing things like these and lost three ODI's from last five matches are giving all details about their strategy now most chances we will have K Yadav for the last ODI against Bangladesh and Shakhar Dhawan is coming for Rohit Sharma hopefully they will avoid whitewash as they were not expecting result like this even we all know Bangladesh won 13 bilateral series out of 14 which is amazing stuff from them in this format, but hopefully things could be positive for India in coming months.

[SirLancelot]

I would rather say that Kohli was a GOAT. Look at his stats for the recent matches. For the year 2022, his batting average stands at 18.90 (189 runs from 10 innings). The last time he had a batting average of more than 50.00 was in 2019. Now let's look at the T20Is. His batting average is good, but the same can't be said about his strike rate. For the last two years, his strike rate has remained below 140.00. Now compare this with someone like Suryakumar Yadav, who is having a T20I career strike rate of 180.97. 

His playing style is entirely different from that of Surya, Kohli's responsibility is to anchor the innings till the end which he always does and the average speaks of it. Surya's responsibility is to provide the pace which he does. Also we all know Kohli was in a bad form before the Asia Cup and he hasn't played a lot of ODIs after that. There are always highs and lows in careers of players see Sachin's career during 2004-2008, but he did comeback and so did Kohli. Moreover if you see all over the all formats there is not a batsmen who can come close to that in all three formats.

PS: GOAT means "all time", you can't see recent stats to declare someone's not a GOAT anymore.

What are we talking about Virat Kohli or what is his performance in game for last three years nothing is complicated to understand but what he has done in last two big events with this most chances he is not going anywhere until ODI world cup 2023 and this is written on the wall because he is GOAT and selectors are giving him extra support in all conditions because they are feeling this player is game changer for them in big events.

And they can't drop him at any cost and I have feeling they are right in this case in white ball format he is still one of the best player and at home in big event they still capable of having tag of game changer age factor is also going with him and with the new talent which is still not have class for giving best in big events need time to replace him.

[n0ne]

These losses could be a blessing in disguise before WC, and in a way might help with the selection 

This is a great point. The Indian team have been performing badly across all formats in recent times which is why big changes are necessary to help them rise back up in an efficient and effective manner.

I would say they are performing badly in white-ball cricket only. They are still a tough team to beat in tests despite their fuckery in a couple of matches.

I noticed that in this thread many posters are writing off Kohli in ODI but IMO he's a GOAT in this format. In modern cricket, no one comes close to him so I'll bet on him without any doubt. 

At any point Indian selection team will think of some other player in the place of Kohli. He have got his ability and doing the best. People want him to perform in each and every match. This is something that can't happen with any of the players. As said Kohli is unique, no one comes clos to him as well as no one can be compared with him in terms of performance.

[Nrcewker]

These losses could be a blessing in disguise before WC, and in a way might help with the selection 

This is a great point. The Indian team have been performing badly across all formats in recent times which is why big changes are necessary to help them rise back up in an efficient and effective manner.

I would say they are performing badly in white-ball cricket only. They are still a tough team to beat in tests despite their fuckery in a couple of matches.

I noticed that in this thread many posters are writing off Kohli in ODI but IMO he's a GOAT in this format. In modern cricket, no one comes close to him so I'll bet on him without any doubt. 

Every player is unique and we should respect each and everyone’s capability. No doubt Virat Kohli is a brilliant player, and whenever we needed the best he has performed. I am slightly disappointed with the selection of KL Rahul in the team. I mean how many more matches he needs to prove his capabilities? Even Axar Patel scored a 50 in the match, but still Rahul is struggling. IMO for 50 over matches, we should give atleast a trial to Ruturaj Gaikwad, or Ishan Kishan or Subhman Gill in the place of him. What are your thoughts?

[pakhitheboss]

India VS Bangladesh

The last ODI of this bilateral series will be played today. India has already lost the series and would try to save themselves from more humiliation by winning the last game. The complete Indian batting order is in shambles and those senior players have failed to perform. I am expecting some of them might get tested in the last match and new players would be given an opportunity.

Bangladesh has been completely dominating this series and especially the lower middle order has been able to win the last two match for them with an ease. Their bowlers have shown more maturity then their Indian counterpart. They would try their level best to win the last match too.

[Sithara007]

Look like Indian selectors doing some experiments but fail to have their targeted results because too many players in last few ODI's looking not good with now we have just 10 months left in ODI world cup they need to give final shape with their best available players, but they are not having any intention for doing things like these and lost three ODI's from last five matches are giving all details about their strategy now most chances we will have K Yadav for the last ODI against Bangladesh and Shakhar Dhawan is coming for Rohit Sharma hopefully they will avoid whitewash as they were not expecting result like this even we all know Bangladesh won 13 bilateral series out of 14 which is amazing stuff from them in this format, but hopefully things could be positive for India in coming months.

This is what happens when you tour a country without making adequate precautions. The Indian team has stopped playing warmup matches for the last few years. And this was quite evident in the first two games, when the players looked unadjusted against the local conditions. The team bonding was also absent, and the controversies related to selection added another layer of stress on the team. I am not expecting any miracles from the Indian team for the third match. Rohit Sharma will be missing today's match due to injury and therefore KL Rahul will be leading the Indians.

[Tony116]

I don't think that spinners such as Axar and Shahbaz are suitable for these conditions. I would have preferred someone like Ravichandran Ashwin or even Yuzvendra Chahal. Washington Sundar did his job well, but the same can't be said about the performance from Axar/Shahbaz in the first two matches. Also, the Indian selectors need to decide whether they want good spinners who can't bat much, or average spinners who can contribute with the bat in the lower order. The preference as of now seems to be for the latter category.

Look like Indian selectors doing some experiments but fail to have their targeted results because too many players in last few ODI's looking not good with now we have just 10 months left in ODI world cup they need to give final shape with their best available players, but they are not having any intention for doing things like these and lost three ODI's from last five matches are giving all details about their strategy now most chances we will have K Yadav for the last ODI against Bangladesh and Shakhar Dhawan is coming for Rohit Sharma hopefully they will avoid whitewash as they were not expecting result like this even we all know Bangladesh won 13 bilateral series out of 14 which is amazing stuff from them in this format, but hopefully things could be positive for India in coming months.

If I remember correctly, the pacers of India actually gave Bangladesh the most amount of problems in this series. The Spinners actually did not pose that much problems. But the fastballers that India are playing right now, they do not have the most amount of pace. They do have a good swing. But once the ball is soft, and there is no swing in an offer, they do not have much to offer honestly.

And I also agree with @Sithara007 about the spinners that India is playing. I think leg spinners could have been much more effective in these situations. Bangladesh also do not have much experience against the leg-spinner. So, I think they missed a trick here.

[shawon01]

And very soon a game is going to start India vs India in MST but I am not sure which team will win but I think India will do very well in this match because India lost very badly in previous few matches so today's match  Maybe India will do something very good now I am hoping

[teosanru]

Bangladesh is showing a different picture of playing in their own ground. They have repeatedly beaten strong cricket teams like India in ODI matches.  Miraz and Mahmudullah are the keys to win the 2nd ODI for Bangladesh Against India . Both of them played very well and both of them scored 177 runs . Which gives Bangladesh another opportunity to beat India in 2nd  ODI match

Not only just this time they are playing good at their home ground I saw their previous match on their home play ground and what I've seen is that they've consistently done well in those matches except some few match. And I think with that consistency they were able to beat India and take the series in their favour. I also thought that they also hold the ability to win 3rd ODI  and make whitewash India.

I saw statistics in the match which showed that Bangladesh are actually the best-performing team on their home ground and they have outperformed all the other top teams in this. It's quite strange how a team performs so well on their home pitches and suddenly don't perform that well on foreign pitches may it be on the sub-continent pitches which are pretty same to their own pitches only. Maybe it's the factor of the support they get which keeps them going in these matches. Whatever it is this is actually a great defeat for India this time. Getting beaten by Bangladesh is embarrassing that also when you are sending your A-teams for foreign tours and they still manage to win but your Tier-1 team lost here.

This makes bangbros the underdog in the WC as it's in India.

Would be great if they win the tournament but i guess I'm expecting and might exaggerating a bit too much but hey they won closer encounters against India in 2 consecutive matches and it was their Achilles heel for a very long time.

I also want some underdog team to win the world cup or some other big ICC tournament, really FED up of the top 6 teams always being at the top in such tournaments, cricket would be so much interesting if there are 15-20 countries who played at almost the same level as of each other. But yes as you said too early and exaggerating to say this right now. Moreover worst part about them is their inconsistency and arrogance, the moment they start to wina  few matches they become arrogant and then start to lose a lot of matches as well, not a sign of a great team.